**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 23 02:59:58 2012 Mar 23 15:38:00 think I may have found webOS's missing media player: http://www.tomahawk-player.org/ Mar 23 15:38:03 because of this http://www.tomahawk-player.org/resolvers Mar 23 15:38:12 of course...it'd need to be made to work on webOS Mar 23 15:38:25 but the concept seems to dovetail nicely with Synergy and friends Mar 23 15:43:58 what I want(ed) is synergy to pull in file sources like dropbox and use fuse or something to make it completely transparent to ALL apps Mar 23 15:48:29 RagingMind: good idea as well Mar 23 15:48:45 I'd at least like my list of files available offline (via synergy presumably) Mar 23 15:49:03 I'd think an AtomPub based setup (similar to Portable Contacts) would work for file systems Mar 23 15:49:21 Easily EnoughÂ® ;) Mar 23 16:50:06 hey Mar 23 17:00:03 best webos stock app? pixi+ Mar 23 19:21:39 Hello Mar 23 19:24:32 man its been a while since i used the pre3... Mar 23 19:24:38 its so.. big compared to the pre2 lol Mar 23 19:25:54 Adora are you here? Mar 23 19:26:09 I really want understand what is the plane now. Mar 23 19:26:16 plan*? Mar 23 19:26:24 Yes plan for webOS Mar 23 19:26:45 it's being open sources Mar 23 19:26:48 sourced* Mar 23 19:26:54 ^ that Mar 23 19:26:56 yes and it's like Mar 23 19:27:09 HP say "Now the problem is of community we don't care" Mar 23 19:27:22 I don't think that's true, necessarily Mar 23 19:27:23 You know HP want only webOS On the printer. Mar 23 19:27:25 summatusmentis, did u ever get the enyo stuff working? for desktop/etc. Mar 23 19:27:38 most of the contributors for open webOS right now are HP employees Mar 23 19:27:42 i agree with summatusmentis ... i think that HP cares about webOS still Mar 23 19:27:46 PatrickC: I haven't tried yet Mar 23 19:27:52 I really want this Mar 23 19:27:57 because i think they have the future Mar 23 19:27:58 well 2.0b3 is out now :) Mar 23 19:28:06 I saw that Mar 23 19:28:12 But for now they don't do anything Mar 23 19:28:21 Still no update for device Mar 23 19:28:28 No new developer Mar 23 19:28:33 the device side of webOS is pretty dead Mar 23 19:28:37 at least for now Mar 23 19:28:51 And this is a good move? Mar 23 19:28:53 No. Mar 23 19:28:58 for now i think. im hoping that they license out Mar 23 19:28:59 what's the alternative? Mar 23 19:29:03 The people who still support webOS Mar 23 19:29:06 iMarck90, i think it is a good move, if they license out Mar 23 19:29:09 need their support Mar 23 19:29:10 PatrickC: they don't need to license it when it's open sourced Mar 23 19:29:21 ah true Mar 23 19:29:32 which makes it even better Mar 23 19:29:34 Alternative? release an update for devices Mar 23 19:29:48 Talk with big like "Whatsapp" to porting it to open webOS Mar 23 19:29:55 iMarck90: the devices they're not making? Mar 23 19:29:58 If they don't, provide developer etc. Mar 23 19:29:58 i think now that Google owns Motorola, they will start charging a ton to license Android out to companies like HTC.. Mar 23 19:30:03 PatrickC: yes, they do. they wouldn't have asked their buying price for it otherwise. they'd have started negotiating from a sane base-point Mar 23 19:30:10 so I am hoping that companies like HTC and Samsung/etc. will pick up webOS Mar 23 19:30:13 summatusmentis I want build a device Mar 23 19:30:23 i have some people interested on it Mar 23 19:30:31 I have ask some support Mar 23 19:30:33 But no answer Mar 23 19:30:33 iMarck90: then do it Mar 23 19:30:37 PatrickC: no, google doesn't ask for licensing costs. however, microsoft does ask that with respect to android :) and there's a scary catch that HP probably doesn't have to care about. Mar 23 19:30:41 what support? the OS will be available Mar 23 19:30:42 It's because this i say they don't care. Mar 23 19:30:51 I want use the Veer design. Mar 23 19:31:06 ah true,... imagine.. Nokia devices running webOS :) Mar 23 19:31:12 * PatrickC *sighs hapily* Mar 23 19:31:14 iMarck90: if you have the bucks for the design, you'll get to know the people for getting the veer's design Mar 23 19:31:30 dude, are you suggesting that HP doesn't care because you and a few other people didn't get a response from a multi-national corporation? Mar 23 19:32:04 summatusmentis not only for this. They don't do anything this is the real problem. Mar 23 19:32:16 HP does care about their developers.. how else would i have 9 phone boxes sitting next to me that are devices i got from them...? Mar 23 19:32:20 iMarck90: you haven't followed webos, have you? Mar 23 19:32:32 yeah, the large sections of code they're continually releasing is "nothing" Mar 23 19:32:52 and i guess that makes enyo "nothing" too Mar 23 19:32:59 madnificient This is the next problem. Mar 23 19:33:11 it's true they're focusing their resources in a different place. It's true they're not making hardware right now, and it's true that they haven't announced plans for hardware Mar 23 19:33:17 and the continued development of Enyo is obviously nothing worthy either. i mean, that's something anyone would do for a system which they want to ditch. they'd hire people to dev on it. Mar 23 19:33:18 but that doesn't mean that they're not doing anything Mar 23 19:33:36 WHY DON'T PEOPLE TABCOMPLETE MY NAME AND WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR THEM TO SPELL IT RIGHT Mar 23 19:33:46 Dude don't be a fanboy Mar 23 19:33:56 Maybe you have forgot Mar 23 19:34:11 iMarck90: no, the thing is. they ARE spending money on it. and you CAN see that. the issue is that you don't want to see it. Mar 23 19:34:15 iMarck90, we arent fanboys... Mar 23 19:34:19 i'm not making up the development Mar 23 19:34:25 They have fail in the past Mar 23 19:34:30 And you want know why? Mar 23 19:34:32 Simple Mar 23 19:34:35 Price Mar 23 19:34:37 PatrickC: i am, actually :/ i mean, if i'd be a fanboy of anything right now, it'd probably be webos Mar 23 19:34:40 No selling on Italy Mar 23 19:34:47 iMarck90, i know a lot of people who work at hp pretty good.. they do CARE about webOS! Mar 23 19:34:50 iMarck90: wait, how much do you think a veer costs right now? Mar 23 19:35:00 On my country the people are crazy for smartphone Mar 23 19:35:05 iMarck90: if "fail in the past" is your only metric, why do you even care about webOS? Palm "failed" years ago Mar 23 19:35:12 iMarck90: it costs 125 euros, delivered. and still, not many people have it. so price? naaah, that's been ok. Mar 23 19:35:15 madnificent, well.. in the sense he is talking about, where they (HP) does wrong and we dont see it because we dont want to, then we arent. but in the sense of loving it, we are :) Mar 23 19:35:16 I still don't understand why don't sell on mine. Mar 23 19:35:31 madnificient Now the problem is Mar 23 19:35:47 No more update, i can't buy the apps from Italy Mar 23 19:35:54 PatrickC: no, there literally isn't any smartphone that matches the veer remotely for its price point. Mar 23 19:35:57 It's because this people don't buy the Veer Mar 23 19:36:05 madnificent, really? Mar 23 19:36:20 Why i have buy a Veer when i can't buy the apps? Mar 23 19:36:24 iMarck90: now you're making a circular reasoning: people don't buy the veer because ... blablablabla ... peolpe don't buy the veer. Mar 23 19:36:27 And please don't ask me to use USUnlocked Mar 23 19:36:29 there are tons of them over here in the US that are pretty good Mar 23 19:36:41 iMarck90: you don't have to unlock the cheap ones from germany Mar 23 19:36:42 Palm need to support my country Mar 23 19:36:44 iMarck90: what's your point? if you don't want the veer, don't get the veer Mar 23 19:36:59 iMarck90, i agree with summatusmentis ... complaning about this wont fix it Mar 23 19:37:07 hmmm... iMarck90 is trolling, i think (srsly) Mar 23 19:37:07 either you like webOS, or you dont Mar 23 19:37:10 No i want the Veer, But i want Palm permission Italy people to buy the apps. Mar 23 19:37:11 you support webOS, or u dont Mar 23 19:37:21 madnificent no really. Mar 23 19:37:38 iMarck90, they are working on that... they have been opening up more and more countries to the purchased app store... Mar 23 19:37:48 Not on my country Mar 23 19:37:49 why not just Masq the profile with Impostah or something.. Mar 23 19:37:55 and really no good support for my country Mar 23 19:37:56 incf PatrickC Mar 23 19:38:12 iMarck90: HP is in a different place than they were. Yes, you can't buy a currently supported webOS device. That's water under the bridge at this point, but it doesn't mean that HP doesn't care Mar 23 19:38:24 it means they're focusing on the things they think they need to be in order to succeed Mar 23 19:38:39 iMarck90, i have a pre3.. it broke.. HP told me that the only way to fix it was to call the UK as it wasnt released in the US. did i get mad and just leave webOS, hate webOS, forget about webOS.. ? Mar 23 19:38:57 summatusmentis i have buy 2 Veer Mar 23 19:38:58 no! i continued using it! it is something i love, and i did whatever i could to keep using it Mar 23 19:39:06 One for me and one for my girlfriend Mar 23 19:39:25 congratulations Mar 23 19:39:29 do you like them? Mar 23 19:39:32 When my girlfriend go to school and show the veer for the first time Mar 23 19:39:36 every friend like it Mar 23 19:39:38 and want buy! Mar 23 19:40:00 But they are not expert, You need to order from Amazon.com Mar 23 19:40:05 and use some services Mar 23 19:40:08 the old CEO (Apotheker) decided he was killing the hardware division of webOS Mar 23 19:40:15 that's a non-reversible decision Mar 23 19:40:18 at least in the short term Mar 23 19:40:23 because Amazon don't send on Italy Mar 23 19:40:36 there's nothing anyone can do about it Mar 23 19:40:42 iMarck90, things that have happened in the past, we cant change. we can only hope that Meg will do things for the future Mar 23 19:40:51 but this _still_ doesn't mean that HP doesn't care about webOS Mar 23 19:41:00 I am still developing apps for webOS.. some big ones actually Mar 23 19:41:08 HP is a company. It doesn't have "motives" it has "share holders" Mar 23 19:41:11 *however* Mar 23 19:41:19 it's done The Right Thing by open sourcing webOS Mar 23 19:41:23 i personally know HP (or the employees anyway) do care about webOS.. take sugardave and Adora for example Mar 23 19:41:23 I think if HP sell the Veer on Italy at 150 - 170 € they have do the best move. Mar 23 19:41:32 each piece that's opened is yours (if you want it) to use as you see fit Mar 23 19:41:35 iMarck90: what veer? the veer doesn't exist anymore Mar 23 19:41:40 thanks to the wise license choice Mar 23 19:41:44 iMarck90, *THEY DONT SELL ANY DEVICES ANYMORE* Mar 23 19:41:46 to anyone! Mar 23 19:41:48 not even in the US Mar 23 19:41:52 Mar 23 19:41:53 I understand now Mar 23 19:42:04 I talk for the past. Mar 23 19:42:31 iMarck90: the future's way cooler :) Mar 23 19:42:33 stay tuned ;) Mar 23 19:42:33 iMarck90: I think we're all in agreement, we would have liked HP to keep selling devices Mar 23 19:42:40 but we're past that Mar 23 19:43:01 The webOS user in Italy are really hungry... and i want explain why. Mar 23 19:43:20 the webOS userbase in the US is really hungry too Mar 23 19:43:33 bigbluehat: care to say more? ;) Mar 23 19:43:41 We have wait 5 months for get webOS device they had to come on Q3 2011 Mar 23 19:43:43 summatusmentis: about the future? :) Mar 23 19:43:45 i used an original Sprint Pre- .. then i finally upgraded to a Sprint pre2... Mar 23 19:43:54 But you know They have closed anything and no more device... Mar 23 19:43:58 im still on sprint, and we never got anything more then the Pre-/Pixi- Mar 23 19:44:08 bigbluehat: sure, any insights you have Mar 23 19:44:16 And the conference on Milan was removed Mar 23 19:44:19 for developer. Mar 23 19:44:37 iMarck90: they're shifting their goals, and the plan Mar 23 19:44:41 well...don't want to clutter the thread, atm, but happy to share my thoughts once it cools a bit Mar 23 19:45:11 I want hoping they support Italy Mar 23 19:45:20 i was hoping they would support sprint Mar 23 19:45:24 but they didnt. thats in the past Mar 23 19:47:10 Another example of bad move it's not release the promise update for Veer Mar 23 19:47:21 Supporting the customer who still think and love your product Mar 23 19:47:26 there is no promised update for the pre2 either Mar 23 19:47:28 this is for my a good move. Mar 23 19:47:28 or the pre3 Mar 23 19:47:33 or the touchpad either Mar 23 19:47:52 iMarck90: as I've said, they're allocating their resources to what they consider to be more important Mar 23 19:48:10 I expect that when openwebos is released, it'll support all current devices Mar 23 19:48:32 summatusmentis, i hope it supports even more then that Mar 23 19:48:37 http://allthingsd.com/20110822/hp-webos-still-coming-to-pcs-and-printers-pre3-launching-in-limited-markets/ Mar 23 19:48:41 PatrickC: I'm sure that's true too Mar 23 19:48:55 iMarck90: companies exist (at least most of them) to make $$$ Mar 23 19:48:56 iMarck90: that's almost a year old Mar 23 19:48:57 The tiny Veer smartphone, which was launched on AT&T earlier this year, will continue to be sold, supported and updated, DeWitt said. Mar 23 19:49:05 if something they're doing looks like it isn't or won't they stop Mar 23 19:49:20 and often without much (or any?) care to the collateral damage or broken promises Mar 23 19:49:30 companies will fail you Mar 23 19:49:31 count on it Mar 23 19:49:35 and plan accordingly :) Mar 23 19:50:05 bigbluehat i still say not be a fanboy Mar 23 19:50:14 Let me know why the user and developer have to think on webOS Mar 23 19:50:17 if they don't want release Mar 23 19:50:21 a damn update Mar 23 19:50:26 Come on let me know Mar 23 19:50:30 when they announced that the pre+ was coming out, and not for sprint. i wasnt happy. then the pre2, again not for sprint. i wasnt happy.. then again with the veer, then pre3.. again i wasnt happy.. but i still stuck with webos Mar 23 19:50:35 Let me know why choose webOS over Windows Phone and Blackberry Mar 23 19:50:38 don't be a fanboy of HP--I'm certainly not Mar 23 19:50:45 webOS on the other hand is fabulous Mar 23 19:50:45 When the store don't support all country Mar 23 19:50:55 because webOS does things better then WP7 and Blackberry Mar 23 19:51:00 And the user don't are fully support to buy the apps. Mar 23 19:51:00 iMarck90: if you don't see a reason to choose webOS over wndows phone, blackberry, android, or iphone, then _don't_ Mar 23 19:51:03 in fact, i have a Nokia Lumia 800 sitting next to me.. Mar 23 19:51:20 summatusmentis if you think this is the answer Mar 23 19:51:23 You have fail again. Mar 23 19:51:40 iMarck90: it's the answer for some people Mar 23 19:51:55 and if u think that no paid apps in your country is the answer to bashing webOS.. then u fail again Mar 23 19:51:59 If you don't convince the people to use webOS Mar 23 19:52:00 those people that don't care enough about webOS to stick with it, that's fine Mar 23 19:52:10 They fail again. Mar 23 19:52:42 PatrickC what i do with a device if i don't have apps? Mar 23 19:52:50 there are still free apps Mar 23 19:52:56 ahahahahah! Mar 23 19:53:05 You are serious? Mar 23 19:53:14 Dude do you think the developer Mar 23 19:53:16 and i believe with Impostah (dont quote me on this) u can get access to the paid app store by activating it and masq;ing it as a US phone Mar 23 19:53:19 developing everyone for free? Mar 23 19:53:22 iMarck90: forget about the store! Mar 23 19:53:24 Yes this is simple Mar 23 19:53:25 it's *web* OS after all :-P Mar 23 19:53:27 iMarck90, i am a developer...!!!!! Mar 23 19:53:39 And i have use Impostah to get paid apps? Mar 23 19:53:48 iMarck90: at this point in time, when there are no devices being sold, I'm not sure why one would buy into the webOS platform. That said, in a few months when it's all open-sourced, and you can put it on pretty much any device that has the drivers, that might be different. Further, enyo is compelling, and allows capacity to port your app to a number of different platforms Mar 23 19:53:48 This is the standard move? Mar 23 19:53:58 iMarck90, this is the workaround for now Mar 23 19:54:22 And this is not good Mar 23 19:54:39 iMarck90, take a look at this article Mar 23 19:54:40 http://www.webosnation.com/webos-3-0-booted-evo-3d-cats-found-be-quite-accepting-dogs Mar 23 19:54:44 iMarck90: again, if the apps matter to you, and webOS isn't living up to your expectations, there are plenty of other options Mar 23 19:55:05 if that could be done *without webOs being open sourced at that point* imagine what can be done *after* webos *is* open sourcwe Mar 23 19:55:08 source* Mar 23 19:55:26 i agree with summatusmentis Mar 23 19:55:34 This is what think every people who have buy the device. I know an italian fan who have buy Pre 2, Pre 3, Veer and Touchpad and him have selling everything Mar 23 19:55:45 Because are tired of HP and Palm Mar 23 19:55:52 then let him sell it Mar 23 19:55:53 Think this is not only one Mar 23 19:55:54 iMarck90: don't take my statements to be hostile, I'd prefer everyone use webOS, it's a great platform Mar 23 19:56:07 i have 4 touchpads, 4 pre2s, 3 pre3's a pre+, and several pre-'s.. Mar 23 19:56:14 it's certainly lacking in apps, and absolutely lacking in hardware Mar 23 19:56:16 and webOS still loose the market Mar 23 19:56:20 i wont be leaving it any time soon Mar 23 19:56:27 iMarck90: webOS doesn't really have the market Mar 23 19:56:48 iMarck90, webOS never had the market Mar 23 19:56:52 Dude on firesale they have sell incredible quantity of device Mar 23 19:56:54 if they are good Mar 23 19:57:11 They wold use the opportunity Mar 23 19:57:14 but people who use it use it not because of the market, but because they love it for what it is.. not what it isnt Mar 23 19:57:14 But not! Mar 23 19:57:27 they sold those devices because they were on-par with the best tablets on the market, for $150 Mar 23 19:57:41 Another example fail move of consumer user, why don't support facebook chat on messaging? Mar 23 19:57:56 You have the best messaging app and don't support facebook??? Mar 23 19:57:57 iMarck90: what opportunity? Mar 23 19:57:59 What the hell!! Mar 23 19:57:59 iMarck90, does iOS support facebook chat natively? Mar 23 19:58:09 PatrickC: yes, there's a FB chat app Mar 23 19:58:13 Not iOS But Windows Phone PatrikC Mar 23 19:58:16 summatusmentis, webOS has one of those Mar 23 19:58:24 PatrickC: kind of Mar 23 19:58:32 iMarck90, exactly. so then dont ever use iOS because it doesnt have FB chat Mar 23 19:58:43 I don't say this Patrick Mar 23 19:58:47 summatusmentis, it has Mundu and IM+ both support it i think Mar 23 19:58:51 I have say if you build a great app Mar 23 19:59:03 like messaging and supporting gtalk, IM and Skype Mar 23 19:59:09 Why don't support Facebook???? Mar 23 19:59:16 iMarck90: I understand that you're frustrated, I understand that there was a lot that should have/could have been different. Except, we're not there anymore Mar 23 19:59:16 This is a idiot move!! Mar 23 19:59:21 for quite a while skype was a VZW ecvlusive Mar 23 19:59:39 I love webOS like you Mar 23 19:59:46 I think webOS it's better then iOS and Android Mar 23 19:59:47 iMarck90: supporting Facebook chat has to be a partnership with Facebook Mar 23 20:00:01 But please don't say to me "they care" Mar 23 20:00:02 or it's "unofficial" Mar 23 20:00:05 summatusmentis: err not necessarily Mar 23 20:00:11 Because this people loosing every day on Twitter Mar 23 20:00:17 talking about the sh*** Mar 23 20:00:30 Why don't use their time to porting the developer? Mar 23 20:00:36 iMarck90: if they didn't care, they wouldn't be releasing it as open source, they wouldn't be spending money on making the development happen, and they would have cut and run Mar 23 20:00:39 fun fact. facebook uses jabber. Mar 23 20:00:42 iMarck90, im the developer of a twitter app.. we have over 2000 users and we are only available via preware.. i think that says a lot Mar 23 20:00:53 halfhalo: indeed Mar 23 20:01:22 halfhalo: so actually if you fix the xmpp plugin to not be crippled to gmail.com addresses it would work for facebook Mar 23 20:01:42 destinal_, i think there was something like that out for 1.4.x and down Mar 23 20:01:43 You don't need to use workaround you need to do this on default Mar 23 20:01:45 yup Mar 23 20:01:48 or use Synergy Connector Mar 23 20:01:49 but it was broken in 2.x i think Mar 23 20:02:06 Another best technology like Synergy never used Mar 23 20:02:08 iMarck90: they were focusing their efforts elsewhere Mar 23 20:02:16 iMarck90, the beauty is, u can build that Synergy connector yourself if u want to Mar 23 20:02:33 The beauty is they have do this. Mar 23 20:02:44 iMarck90, if they only focused on the small details that can be easily done by someone like u or me, then webOS would be nothing like it was today Mar 23 20:02:48 If you want webOS is still alive they need to fix the issue Mar 23 20:02:50 less talk, more code! Mar 23 20:02:51 the strategy etc. Mar 23 20:03:05 iMarck90: they have, that's what opensourcing is Mar 23 20:03:10 iMarck90, so for iOS to stay alive it has to have integrated FB chat? Mar 23 20:03:18 * bigbluehat is with madnificent Mar 23 20:03:18 iMarck90: witht open webos, we can all fix it and submit patches etc Mar 23 20:03:23 they're doing the best they know how to do, with the resources they have and the hand they've been dealt Mar 23 20:03:23 that is what u are saying about webos Mar 23 20:03:41 PatrickC: the flaw in your argument is that iOS has significant marketshare Mar 23 20:03:44 PatrickC iOS Don't have Messaging app with gTalk, AIM and other service integrated why you still be a fanboy?^??? Mar 23 20:04:04 destinal_ Yes we do Mar 23 20:04:07 Not Palm or HP Mar 23 20:04:11 summatusmentis, im just using iOS as an example.. ok.. Android Mar 23 20:04:20 Android don't supporting this Mar 23 20:04:22 Android has built in GTalk, one of the most widly used IM apps Mar 23 20:04:24 Windows Phone supporting this Mar 23 20:04:25 MeeGo Mar 23 20:04:28 IM services* Mar 23 20:04:28 they're different things, you're comparing apples and oranges Mar 23 20:04:44 summatusmentis, he is saying for the OS to survive, it needs FB chat Mar 23 20:04:50 Windows Phone does NOT support aim/gtalk in its messenger app Mar 23 20:04:56 I have say PatrickC Mar 23 20:05:02 This is a bad move to consumer user Mar 23 20:05:04 WP7 only supports FB chat in the messaging app Mar 23 20:05:06 Not they need to be alive. Mar 23 20:05:10 no, he's saying for the OS to survive, it needs a bunch of different things in order to stay competitive (that's his argument, anyway) Mar 23 20:05:12 iMarck90, with it being open source, u submit it Mar 23 20:05:25 Yes summatusmentis Mar 23 20:05:27 u can fix the little bugs that u dont like Mar 23 20:05:27 right Mar 23 20:05:58 I want do. Mar 23 20:06:02 iMarck90: and what I'm telling you is that it's not about that right now. webOS needs hardware and a meaningful userbase first. All of these things can happen one it gets open sourced Mar 23 20:06:12 I still don't understand Mar 23 20:06:13 but we're in a period of transition Mar 23 20:06:20 how they have fail with a great OS Mar 23 20:06:22 * PatrickC has to go for now Mar 23 20:06:25 ill be lurking though Mar 23 20:06:41 iMarck90: failures in management from a business perspective Mar 23 20:06:45 iMarck90: the "failure" is dependent on a lot of factors Mar 23 20:07:01 you can go read webosnation to figure out what all those are Mar 23 20:07:06 I need to leave Mar 23 20:07:12 I know summatusmentis, but i asking only to support the costumers Mar 23 20:07:24 If they release the update for Veer Mar 23 20:07:30 iMarck90: you can have a technically great operating system and fail to present it the right way, fail to advertise it, fail to promote it, fail to sell it to the right people etc Mar 23 20:07:32 it's a right move for everything Mar 23 20:07:47 Veer update won't be released due to att Mar 23 20:07:57 destinal_ Yes they have fail in advertise, promote and some strategy Mar 23 20:08:09 I have asked to AT&T Mar 23 20:08:14 and they say the problem is HP Mar 23 20:08:36 Also the update is ready you can found on webOSNation... Mar 23 20:08:51 (Leaked) Mar 23 20:10:43 wait what, the veer update for gsm/europe is available somewhere? link me up anyone? Mar 23 20:10:58 ATT will not certify a release for the veer since to them it makes no sense to run an update for a dear phone and dead platform through their update process Mar 23 20:11:00 errr I think he was confusing a metadoctor fix made by the community for a "leaked" update Mar 23 20:11:03 If you want to risk brinking it, theres a thread on webosnation Mar 23 20:11:40 i don't want my veer to die either :( but modeswitcher is behaving oddly and i think it being on an older webos version might possibly be the cause Mar 23 20:13:07 madnificent, i dont think so.. talk to sconix on #webos-internals Mar 23 20:13:26 PatrickC: for mode-switcher, that is? Mar 23 20:13:32 yeah Mar 23 21:48:51 * dwc- spies a lot of talking in this room, compared to as of late Mar 23 22:04:27 hey madnificent :) Mar 23 22:04:33 still alive, like me :) Mar 23 22:04:33 hey leiru Mar 23 22:04:38 hey Patrick Mar 23 22:04:55 hey leiru. all good? Mar 23 22:05:33 madnificent: everything cool and successful. but doubting abot webOS's future :( Mar 23 22:05:51 meh, losing keys. Mar 23 22:05:59 why are you in doubt? Mar 23 22:06:05 s/abot/about Mar 23 22:06:21 what hp is trying to do isn't that complex Mar 23 22:06:27 so my dreams and thoughts are: Mar 23 22:06:44 at least, now you know what Hurd knew a few years ago, when he made the aquisition Mar 23 22:06:57 webOS will go a way like android but will now as real open source really succeed. Mar 23 22:07:03 and it's clear that whitman is trying to do what he wanted to do, up to the place where the funds are there. Mar 23 22:07:13 I think mentioning "Hurd" is a bad idea, considering how successful the GNU project was with that ;) Mar 23 22:07:22 my dream would be manufactures using webOS Mar 23 22:07:26 nieve: Mark Hurd Mar 23 22:07:34 but maybe they are not use it. Mar 23 22:07:34 and then it's fairly trivial to figure out where webos is going now Mar 23 22:07:37 we will see Mar 23 22:07:43 I know, but I couldn't resist the pun. Mar 23 22:07:57 leiru: they won't. there will /not/ be another dedicated WebOS phone anytime soon Mar 23 22:08:00 though I hear there's a semi-functional distro with a Hurd kernel now Mar 23 22:08:17 but it is irrelevant for the future of WebOS in itself, given their current development model. Mar 23 22:08:24 i am fully commited to webOS and it's engineers - but in some month i see me buying an iphone. please don't ask why!! Mar 23 22:08:49 you can run and build enyo apps for the iphone, it's not a sinn Mar 23 22:09:01 madnificent: mrm, could you explain it to me? Mar 23 22:09:14 explain what? Mar 23 22:09:29 your thoughts about webOS? Mar 23 22:09:40 what hp will do with it and where it will go to? Mar 23 22:09:42 and where they will go in your expectations? Mar 23 22:10:00 what's the number 1 strength hp can offer over any other organization? Mar 23 22:11:04 they're bad at virtually anything they do. they're generally slightly overpriced. they have a quality standard which is always a teeny bit lacking for the price you've payed. it's often not the best choice. but there's one thing they could be unbeatable in: integration. no one offers what hp offers, they have everything. Mar 23 22:11:15 right, now let's look at the history lessons Mar 23 22:11:18 sorry dude, we suspected alot about HP. after that rush of apotheker i just do not trust in any step of hp Mar 23 22:11:21 what do we know of palm before hp bought them Mar 23 22:11:45 they have basically invented the smartphone and organizer Mar 23 22:11:59 then they went down the bottom with mediocre devices like the windows based treo Mar 23 22:12:06 and then they presented the folio, if you still remember it Mar 23 22:12:18 no, i'm young ;) Mar 23 22:13:04 it was something much like an eee pc (which came out before palm could finish the foleo) and which would interconnect with your webos phone. so you have the same thing on multiple views. that is much at what we currently want tablets to be, but it never got round. Mar 23 22:14:01 so, the market for the foleo collapsed before it was launched as no one would have understood why it would be better than an eee pc (the foleo was rumored to have cost around 600 euros at the time, so that'd be too high) Mar 23 22:14:16 forward 7 months or so, and palm says they're working on a new smartphone os Mar 23 22:14:53 anyway: palm did not made it, hp did not made it. Mar 23 22:15:07 now, given the time and place, a smart manager would have his sensors up for such development. especially if you're hp. but it is /far/ too early to bet your money on it. if you would, other companies would understand what you're aiming for. so you have to let them be. Mar 23 22:15:20 now what palm was obviously trying to do, was integration. exactly what hp needed. Mar 23 22:15:22 your message is: even if both did not made it, the last bonus they have is their integration Mar 23 22:15:37 and thats where enyo or open webos maybe would point Mar 23 22:15:45