**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 05 02:59:58 2012
Apr 05 03:05:35 <fxspec06> http://i.imgur.com/VDCWC.png
Apr 05 03:22:58 <kesne> Why hello there.
Apr 05 03:23:43 * phil_bw nods
Apr 05 03:23:55 <kesne> I haven't been on here in ages.
Apr 05 03:24:03 <phil_bw> nor I really
Apr 05 03:24:17 <phil_bw> well I've popped in, but not really said much
Apr 05 03:24:37 <kesne> phil_bw, have we met before?
Apr 05 03:24:58 <phil_bw> possibly long ago
Apr 05 03:25:18 <kesne> Perhaps. I used to be active during the good days of webOS.
Apr 05 03:25:41 <phil_bw> I used to do a lot with running X on the Pre (ran the full blown OpenOffice on my 500mhz Pre and got video of it)
Apr 05 03:29:24 <phil_bw> now I use Android but I'm still far more of a webOS fan than Android
Apr 05 03:36:01 <kesne> Same here, I still prefer webOS over Android, despite using an Android phone.
Apr 05 03:36:07 <kesne> And I remember that, impressive stuff!
Apr 05 03:36:25 <phil_bw> thanks, I had my moment of Engadget fame :)
Apr 05 03:36:34 <kesne> Haha, lucky :P
Apr 05 03:36:42 <PatrickC> kesne? lol
Apr 05 03:36:48 <kesne> Hey PatrickC.
Apr 05 03:36:53 <phil_bw> kesne, which Android phone are you using?
Apr 05 03:37:01 <PatrickC> kesne: long time no see bro
Apr 05 03:37:07 <PatrickC> did u see the news about WOR?
Apr 05 03:37:17 <kesne> PatrickC, It has been a while indeed. And no, I haven't been there in a while.
Apr 05 03:37:28 <kesne> phil_bw, I use the EVO 3D.
Apr 05 03:37:30 <PatrickC> it was on twitter :)
Apr 05 03:37:53 <phil_bw> PatrickC, I don't even know what you are talking about and I am on Twitter a lot
Apr 05 03:38:03 <PatrickC> WOR === webOSroundup
Apr 05 03:38:09 <kesne> WOR is gone D:
Apr 05 03:38:21 <PatrickC> will be soon* :'(
Apr 05 03:38:30 <phil_bw> kesne, how do you like it?  When I bought my phone the Evo 3D was still pretty new and the Photon had just came out, I wound up with a Nexus S 4G instead
Apr 05 03:38:37 <phil_bw> ah
Apr 05 03:38:44 <phil_bw> I've never been to webOSroundup
Apr 05 03:38:51 <phil_bw> heard of it a lot, just never made it over there
Apr 05 03:39:12 <kesne> phil_bw, I like the 3D. I plan on upgrading sometime this year. But it's a decent phone. I've got a Nexus S lying around here too, I actually prefer it.
Apr 05 03:39:14 <PatrickC> i was one of the first people (including employees) at my local sprint store to use/play with a 3D :)
Apr 05 03:39:34 <PatrickC> oh all the phones i have, i have to say my lumia is my favorite..
Apr 05 03:39:35 <PatrickC> brb
Apr 05 03:40:22 <PatrickC> back
Apr 05 03:40:38 <PatrickC> kesne: will u be on here/gchat tomorrow? i might have a few questions for u about something :)
Apr 05 03:40:48 <kesne> PatrickC, just email me.
Apr 05 03:41:16 <PatrickC> ok
Apr 05 03:41:40 <phil_bw> kesne, which version of Android are you using?
Apr 05 03:41:50 <PatrickC> how goes villo stuff?
Apr 05 03:42:07 <kesne> phil_bw, On my phone? 2.3.4
Apr 05 03:42:11 <kesne> PatrickC, It goes.
Apr 05 03:42:15 <phil_bw> ah
Apr 05 03:42:19 <phil_bw> I
Apr 05 03:42:33 <PatrickC> kesne: any plans for WP7 integration? :)
Apr 05 03:42:34 <phil_bw> I'm not sure what is available for the Evo 3D but if you get a chance to run ICS you really should try it
Apr 05 03:42:45 <kesne> PatrickC, maybe.
Apr 05 03:43:01 <PatrickC> phil_bw is right.. ics is way better then honeycomb.. if you device will run it nicely that is :)
Apr 05 03:43:10 <kesne> phil_bw, I've been planning on it, but I'm insane, and don't like losing things.
Apr 05 03:43:11 <kesne> Haha
Apr 05 03:43:19 <PatrickC> kesne: i would love to help on that if u needed testers for stuff/etc. :)
Apr 05 03:43:28 <kesne> PatrickC, Alright.
Apr 05 03:43:35 <PatrickC> wp7 is slowly becoming my favorite mobile OS.. not fully yet.. but close :)
Apr 05 03:43:43 <phil_bw> it was available on the NS4G in October and I've been running it since, just went to 4.0.4 today actually.  It really makes Android a whole lot easier to swallow after using webOS for so long
Apr 05 03:44:18 <PatrickC> phil_bw: ics is closer to webOS.. but nothing compares to webOS like WP7 for me at least
Apr 05 03:44:27 <PatrickC> i would much, much sooner go WP then Android
Apr 05 03:44:40 <phil_bw> I also agree about losing stuff, the initial rooting which caused me to lose stuff was a pain, but now I use the full version of titanium backup and keep everything
Apr 05 03:44:59 <phil_bw> PatrickC, the cards in ICS on a fast processor really aren't that bad
Apr 05 03:45:00 * PatrickC should be off to bed now...
Apr 05 03:45:11 <phil_bw> and I must say I really have grown to like having a home screen
Apr 05 03:45:20 <PatrickC> phil_bw: on the TP its ok.. ive used it on a Terga3 and it was OK...
Apr 05 03:45:40 <PatrickC> well, work comes early tomorrow.. ill be on later tomorrow afternoon guys..
Apr 05 03:45:43 <PatrickC> cya later :)
Apr 05 03:45:48 <phil_bw> I think my biggest gripe is simply not having a physical keyboard, but I've got a hack to fix that coming in the mail :)
Apr 05 03:45:52 <phil_bw> later Patrick
Apr 05 03:46:13 <PatrickC> cya phil and jordan
Apr 05 03:46:50 <phil_bw> kesne, have you done any development work?
Apr 05 03:47:16 <kesne> phil_bw, Yeah, I made something called Villo.
Apr 05 03:47:21 <kesne> I also made apps back in the day.
Apr 05 03:47:27 <kesne> I won the Enyo Hackathon, too.
Apr 05 03:47:28 <phil_bw> using Mojo?
Apr 05 03:47:35 <phil_bw> oh really?
Apr 05 03:47:39 <kesne> Mojo, Enyo, you name it.
Apr 05 03:47:45 <phil_bw> see, I *just* got into Enyo
Apr 05 03:47:54 <kesne> Ah, I much prefer it over Mojo.
Apr 05 03:47:57 <phil_bw> hence being here despite using Android
Apr 05 03:47:57 <phil_bw> I
Apr 05 03:48:07 <phil_bw> I'm actually buidling an Enyo 2 app as we speak
Apr 05 03:48:22 <kesne> Ah, same here.
Apr 05 03:48:42 <phil_bw> what are you building?
Apr 05 03:48:47 <kesne> The new Villo user site.
Apr 05 03:48:55 <kesne> https://github.com/villo/User-Portal
Apr 05 03:49:15 * phil_bw feels bad for not having heard of villo
Apr 05 03:49:21 <kesne> haha, villo.me
Apr 05 03:49:25 <kesne> check it out.
Apr 05 03:50:33 <phil_bw> so what exactly does it do?
Apr 05 03:50:52 <kesne> Oops, I should have given you villo.net
Apr 05 03:50:59 <kesne> It's a set of cloud services.
Apr 05 03:51:04 <kesne> With an API to tap into them
Apr 05 03:51:11 <kesne> Leaderboards, user accounts, chat rooms, etc
Apr 05 03:52:02 <phil_bw> interesting
Apr 05 03:52:10 <phil_bw> I may be able to utilize such a thing in my app
Apr 05 03:52:26 <kesne> Our Javascript API is super simple to use
Apr 05 03:52:57 <phil_bw> I'm building a cloud based task list system currently
Apr 05 03:53:32 <phil_bw> and yes I know, there are a ton of *task lists" available for every platform known to man
Apr 05 03:53:41 <phil_bw> I just think they all suck and none work how I want, so I'm building my own :)
Apr 05 03:55:43 <phil_bw> also, on villo.me in your bootstrap.css file under .navbar .nav add cursor:pointer; :)
Apr 05 03:56:28 <kesne> Psh, why would I do that? :P
Apr 05 03:57:43 <phil_bw> or you could use a cross hair, go all 1998 on everybody
Apr 05 03:58:16 <kesne> Now that you mention it, it is tempting...
Apr 05 03:59:27 * phil_bw edits your code in chrome
Apr 05 03:59:32 <phil_bw> nope, don't like the crosshair :P
Apr 05 03:59:34 <kesne> Oh geez...
Apr 05 03:59:50 <kesne> Haha, I'll add the code later.
Apr 05 04:00:01 <kesne> I'm trying to figure out how to make this iFrame do what I want it to.
Apr 05 04:01:04 <phil_bw> I find iframes comical
Apr 05 04:01:17 <kesne> I hate them.
Apr 05 04:01:21 <kesne> But I need them :/
Apr 05 04:01:31 <phil_bw> 10 years ago I was a straight up expert on iframes, I made some incredible hack jobs that worked incredibly well
Apr 05 04:01:50 <phil_bw> then it appeared that they were getting phased out so I steered away from them
Apr 05 04:01:56 <phil_bw> now there's this resurgence
Apr 05 04:02:03 <kesne> They're useful at times.
Apr 05 04:02:20 <kesne> Villo is adding "integrated apps" which are like facebook apps
Apr 05 04:02:27 <kesne> The only way to do it is the iframe!
Apr 05 04:03:12 <phil_bw> interesting
Apr 05 04:03:50 <phil_bw> so what are the iframes loading?
Apr 05 04:04:06 <kesne> External apps
Apr 05 04:04:08 <kesne> That use Villo
Apr 05 04:04:30 <phil_bw> how are the external apps written?
Apr 05 04:04:59 <bigbluehat> kesne: have you checked out/considered the OpenSocial stuff?
Apr 05 04:05:04 <bigbluehat> sounds similar
Apr 05 04:05:13 <kesne> phil_bw, web standards
Apr 05 04:05:32 <kesne> bigbluehat, Someone with us looked at it once, I don't remember what we decided.
Apr 05 04:05:44 <bigbluehat> not to use it, I'd guess :)
Apr 05 04:06:02 <kesne> Haha, true enough
Apr 05 04:06:13 <bigbluehat> no worries :)
Apr 05 04:06:15 <phil_bw> kesne, what I'm most curious of is how the gears turn in these apps.  Do they use something server side such as php or javascript or mixes of both?
Apr 05 04:06:25 <bigbluehat> just thought it might be an interesting read as I think it avoids some iframe chaos
Apr 05 04:06:34 <kesne> phil_bw, Mix of both.
Apr 05 04:06:53 <kesne> phil_bw, There's a php backend for most of the services that manages most stuff.
Apr 05 04:07:00 <kesne> And javascript keeps track of everything.
Apr 05 04:07:03 <phil_bw> kesne, are the apps allowed to use php in a traditional sense or do they communicate via ajax/json/etc?
Apr 05 04:07:10 <kesne> Ajax
Apr 05 04:07:22 <kesne> The apps could use PHP, because they're in an iFrame.
Apr 05 04:07:26 <kesne> But villo is all ajax.
Apr 05 04:07:34 <phil_bw> that's what I'm wondering most
Apr 05 04:07:56 <phil_bw> if the apps were required to not reload then you could get away from iframes and merely inject them
Apr 05 04:08:18 <kesne> I thought about it, but I want to be flexible with developers.
Apr 05 04:09:16 <phil_bw> could give them two options, use ajax for their communication and get a very good feature set, or use a traditional method and not have as many options (clearly make as many available as possible, but some stuff you just can't make an iframe do)
Apr 05 04:09:41 <kesne> I like being flexible.
Apr 05 04:10:37 <phil_bw> the tough part is when someone develops an app that depends on an iframe then someone tries to use it and whatever renderer they are using doesn't work right with iframes
Apr 05 04:11:03 <kesne> Yeah, true, but part of using integrated apps is that it's going to be iframed.
Apr 05 04:11:09 <phil_bw> on a desktop that's not really an issue, but I've had all sorts of trouble with iframes in the mobile world
Apr 05 04:11:35 <kesne> Ah, well these aren't for mobile anyway.
Apr 05 04:12:16 <phil_bw> gotcha
Apr 05 04:12:28 <phil_bw> I figured using Enyo you were planning on tragetting both
Apr 05 04:13:05 <kesne> Maybe one day.
Apr 05 04:13:08 <kesne> Not today, though.
Apr 05 04:13:47 <phil_bw> in recent days I've decided on a new philosophy for building apps.  I always start with mobile and make it work very well on mobile, then I expand it out
Apr 05 04:13:51 <phil_bw> tablet next, then desktop
Apr 05 04:14:06 <kesne> I think that's a good approach.
Apr 05 04:14:41 <phil_bw> I've just found that it's a whole lot easier to adapt something for mobile to desktop, then to adapt something for desktop to mobile
Apr 05 04:14:51 <kesne> Haha, so true.
Apr 05 04:16:07 <phil_bw> I'm not judging though, I think your idea has some killer potential
Apr 05 04:19:13 <kesne> It's still mostly an experiment.
Apr 05 04:19:28 <kesne> I'm still a student, so I'm not too serious with it.
Apr 05 04:19:43 <phil_bw> oh I'm sure it'll do well
Apr 05 04:19:53 <invalidopcode> good evening everyone
Apr 05 04:20:03 <phil_bw> back when I was a student I wrote a full blown IRC client for PalmOS, took years but I learned a lot and a lot of people loved it
Apr 05 04:20:05 <kesne> Hello!
Apr 05 04:20:12 <phil_bw> evenin' invalidopcode
Apr 05 04:20:15 <kesne> phil_bw, That's what I'm aiming to, heh
Apr 05 04:20:40 <invalidopcode> hey kesne and phil_bw, so what this dynamic conversation entailing?
Apr 05 04:21:12 <phil_bw> writing apps
Apr 05 04:21:18 <kesne> And Villo.
Apr 05 04:21:27 <invalidopcode> cool, what's villo?
Apr 05 04:21:37 * phil_bw doesn't feel quite so dumn now
Apr 05 04:21:46 <phil_bw> apart from misspelling dumn
Apr 05 04:21:47 <kesne> It's a set of cloud services for apps.
Apr 05 04:21:48 <phil_bw> twice
Apr 05 04:21:49 <kesne> Haha
Apr 05 04:22:01 <kesne> invalidopcode, It does stuff like chat rooms, leaderboards, etc.
Apr 05 04:22:44 <phil_bw> so kesne, letes say I get this todo list up and running, using my server as a backend clearly, how would your cloud services make my todo list a richer experience?
Apr 05 04:23:20 <kesne> phil_bw, Well, we could eliminate the need for your server backend completely.
Apr 05 04:23:55 <phil_bw> kesne, well I am long time php developer so the server really does the heavy lifting
Apr 05 04:24:21 <phil_bw> then using JSON (or JSONP) the basic info is sent back and forth
Apr 05 04:24:26 <kesne> phil_bw, Ah, well then, I'm not sure. Back up data, share lists with friends.
Apr 05 04:24:29 <kesne> I'm not sure.
Apr 05 04:24:33 <kesne> I'd have to see the app.
Apr 05 04:25:22 <phil_bw> I'm still working on the input screen, making a set of very uniform controls
Apr 05 04:26:10 <invalidopcode> hm.... this sounds very interesting
Apr 05 04:26:13 <phil_bw> I really do want to make syncing tasks between people a feature
Apr 05 04:26:24 <phil_bw> so when that time comes I will find ya
Apr 05 04:26:30 <kesne> Alright, sounds good.
Apr 05 04:26:41 <kesne> If you ever need to reach me, just email me: jordangens@gmail.com
Apr 05 04:26:57 <phil_bw> will do
Apr 05 04:27:00 <invalidopcode> so you guys are doing a syncing todo list? kind of like wunderlist all that?
Apr 05 04:27:15 <phil_bw> no
Apr 05 04:27:21 <phil_bw> kesne does cloud services
Apr 05 04:27:24 <phil_bw> I do todo lists
Apr 05 04:27:37 <invalidopcode> ah ok
Apr 05 04:27:42 <phil_bw> I'm building a todo list from the ground up to work the way *I* want it to
Apr 05 04:27:53 <invalidopcode> ahhh i see
Apr 05 04:33:51 <kesne> I need to take off.
Apr 05 04:33:54 <kesne> Goodnight guys
Apr 05 04:33:58 <phil_bw> take it easy man
Apr 05 04:34:02 <invalidopcode> night kesne
Apr 05 07:55:24 <hewball> where is the amount of incorrect pins before erase setting
Apr 05 08:16:19 <hewball> oh what i was seeing was first boot pin unlock wipe, didnt know there was a difference
Apr 05 19:29:28 <miette> hi
Apr 05 19:31:08 <miette> I am looking for an webos app which would allow me to see log messages from the linux on the phone. For example messages file with system information or any other syslog related files
Apr 05 19:36:02 <Brybry> would a terminal app be good enough? preware's xecutah/xterm or wterm
Apr 05 19:39:26 <miette> I tried wterm and I guess veer has a small screen, few commands complained that terminal was not wide enough
Apr 05 19:39:33 <miette> I will check how xecauth behaves
Apr 05 20:02:18 <Brybry> with term try using 'less' or maybe 'more' with your commands or setting the font size smaller in prefs but I've never actually tested it on a veer
Apr 05 20:03:07 <Brybry> if you're not trying to view logs when on the go I'd honestly suggest using novaterm or ssh from something with a larger screen for sanity's sake
Apr 05 20:04:32 <Brybry> hmm, 'lumberjack' might also be more what you're looking for
Apr 05 20:17:44 <miette> Brybry: great suggestions big thanks. I was not aware about luberjack. xecauth for some reason have permision(ermissions does not allow inbound connections from "(null)")  issues so does not start but thats ok for now
Apr 05 20:57:32 <miette> how can I list patches which I installed using preware app? and what would be even more usefull how can I see which files patch modified or added.
Apr 05 21:13:03 <dwc-> show installed packages
Apr 05 21:13:07 <dwc-> should show up under there
Apr 05 21:13:49 <dwc-> for arbitrary file viewing, there's a viewer that comes with internalz that's functional
Apr 05 21:16:47 <miette> dwc-: thanks found it in preware. For example I installed Muffle System Logging. What is the best way to check what exactly patch did? I am logged in to the phone via novaterm
Apr 05 21:33:18 <dwc-> the "easiest" way is probably to check the patches git repository... lacking net or wanting to see exactly which version you ended up with.... /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/<packageid of the patch>/*patch
Apr 05 23:53:49 <PatrickC> hey all
Apr 05 23:54:04 <PatrickC> invalidopcode: hey!
Apr 06 00:07:07 <jerry21> isn't it weird that they still webos meetups
Apr 06 00:08:49 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, got CM9 working, had to use the acmeuninstaller
Apr 06 00:09:06 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: and then ACMEInstaller2?
Apr 06 00:09:33 <PatrickC> jerry21: there are still many webos developers
Apr 06 00:09:34 <PuffTheMagic> ya
Apr 06 00:09:50 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: figured :) glad u got it working
Apr 06 00:09:54 <PatrickC> how do u like it?
Apr 06 00:09:59 <PuffTheMagic> ya me too
Apr 06 00:10:05 <PuffTheMagic> i miss cards
Apr 06 00:10:13 <PuffTheMagic> but i forget about that when i use netflix
Apr 06 00:10:17 <PuffTheMagic> or google play music
Apr 06 00:10:27 <PuffTheMagic> or the gmail app
Apr 06 00:10:33 <PuffTheMagic> which is threaded and shows my colored labels
Apr 06 00:10:45 <PuffTheMagic> and the timewarner app
Apr 06 00:10:53 <PatrickC> lol
Apr 06 00:11:02 <jerry21> really?
Apr 06 00:11:16 <PuffTheMagic> doesnt really matter is openwebos can be installed a new devices, it will never get these apps
Apr 06 00:11:26 <PuffTheMagic> s/matter is/matter if/
Apr 06 00:11:54 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: maybe.. depends on how many devices openwebos is put onto
Apr 06 00:12:01 <PatrickC> jerry21: yes. i am one of them
Apr 06 00:12:10 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, never gonna happen
Apr 06 00:12:11 <PatrickC> and i have many good friends who are still developing for webos
Apr 06 00:12:31 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, it doesnt matter how many small homebrewers there are if the big names dont folow
Apr 06 00:12:33 <PuffTheMagic> follow
Apr 06 00:12:45 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: openwebos might end up replacing android someday (i know... the likelyhood of that happening is slim to none.. but still)
Apr 06 00:13:20 <PatrickC> if google starts charging to license out Android, hw devs (Like HTC/Samsung) will need somewhere to turn
Apr 06 00:13:25 <jerry21> openwebos will be doa.
Apr 06 00:13:40 <PatrickC> jerry21: u seems to think that webOS itself is still dead
Apr 06 00:13:42 <PuffTheMagic> i've lied to my self for 2+ years now, time to face the facts
Apr 06 00:13:57 <PatrickC> last i checked, webOS nation was still up, and a lot of users were still on webOS
Apr 06 00:14:03 <jerry21> your friends are not too smart
Apr 06 00:14:17 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: i realize that my dreams will probably not happen.. but thats why they're dreams :)
Apr 06 00:14:28 <PatrickC> jerry21: and not smart is still making $100's a month?
Apr 06 00:14:38 <PatrickC> from things they built on the side?
Apr 06 00:14:49 <PatrickC> and will run on any OS? reguardless of anything
Apr 06 00:14:55 <PatrickC> i think not
Apr 06 00:14:58 <PatrickC> Enyo is amazing
Apr 06 00:15:04 <PuffTheMagic> Enyo is not webos
Apr 06 00:15:13 <jerry21> webosnation is the only webos forum still alive. All the others died and webos nation is also dying
Apr 06 00:15:32 <PuffTheMagic> all webos nation talks about is ios and android now
Apr 06 00:15:37 <PuffTheMagic> and webos wishlists
Apr 06 00:15:37 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Apr 06 00:15:41 <PatrickC> lol
Apr 06 00:15:54 <jerry21> when i got the pre i heard about it through everythingpre.com. That site is now dead
Apr 06 00:15:56 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: jerry21 was talking about being a webOS developer wasnt smart
Apr 06 00:16:37 <jerry21> I remember it was so active before and after the launch but then it died quickly
Apr 06 00:17:35 <PatrickC> jerry21: i recently got a user off of Android and onto webOS because he hated android. he really loves webos and doesnt want to trade it for anything
Apr 06 00:17:41 <PatrickC> he is actually looking to buy a pre3
Apr 06 00:18:10 <PatrickC> and i know the owner of AndroidSwag.com personally, and he is wanting to get a touchpad
Apr 06 00:19:36 <jerry21> buying a dead product that i hear has tons of bugs. I don't see the point but I hope it works out for him
Apr 06 00:19:59 <PatrickC> he is also the owner of http://www.cruzerlite.com/
Apr 06 00:20:11 <summatusmentis> passing judgements about something based on hearsay is the best way of doing things
Apr 06 00:20:12 <PatrickC> he finds webOS nice, and the TouchPad hardware even niver
Apr 06 00:20:14 <PatrickC> nicer*
Apr 06 00:20:58 <jerry21> I think Derek will be writing for IOS soon. He already got his iPhone
Apr 06 00:21:27 <jerry21> the touchpad hardware is ok but i find webos runs too slow.
Apr 06 00:21:53 <jerry21> he resolution could have been better and less buk
Apr 06 00:22:05 <jerry21> but Android runs great on it so that's good
Apr 06 00:33:08 <Brybry> I don't think I'd really want higher resolution on the touchpad/at the 10" screen size
Apr 06 00:33:36 <summatusmentis> Brybry: the iPad retina display is spectacular
Apr 06 00:34:11 <Brybry> doesn't it makes artifacts apparent on images when browsing because it has to automatically scale them?
Apr 06 00:34:51 <Brybry> otherwise everything would be tiny
Apr 06 00:35:03 <summatusmentis> on low res images, probably
Apr 06 00:36:32 <Brybry> and I don't really see websites (mobile websites especially) moving to high res images, the bandwidth involved in doubling all image resolutions would probably not be worth it
Apr 06 00:36:40 <Brybry> though maybe it could push more svg graphics
Apr 06 00:36:42 <Brybry> that would be good
Apr 06 01:37:48 <sugardave> I love it how people come in here and feel it necessary to wonder about the intelligence of people who have webOS devices.  Get a better hobby
Apr 06 01:43:02 <summatusmentis> sugardave: well, you know, if you're not superior to someone, you're doing the internet wrong
Apr 06 01:43:30 <sugardave> I guess so
Apr 06 01:45:26 <summatusmentis> oh, so, Zite let me setup Google Reader, but it doesn't show all my feeds. Does it use Google Reader is a "source a category" tool, or is it supposed to be setting up all my feeds?
Apr 06 01:45:54 <sugardave> yeah, I was fooled by that after I got it working and Lisa's 1000+ feeds and nothing happened
Apr 06 01:46:01 <sugardave> it guesses from your starred items
Apr 06 01:46:33 <sugardave> so, you star a bunch of things in your feeds and it will try to determine some categories for you
Apr 06 01:47:20 <summatusmentis> oh, weird
Apr 06 01:47:36 <sugardave> kind of like how it will go through your tweets to build categories, same deal
Apr 06 01:47:48 <sugardave> I thought it was going to use the feed sources as the determination, but it's the stories
Apr 06 01:47:59 <sugardave> I was freaking out
Apr 06 01:48:14 <summatusmentis> hrm. I'll have to either go star a bunch of things, or figure out another way to get it to do what I want
Apr 06 01:48:44 <dawm> about to kill it in draw something once i get what i just bought :P
Apr 06 01:48:45 <dawm> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150775240107
Apr 06 01:49:02 <halfhalo> shoulda used a hotdog.
Apr 06 01:49:02 <summatusmentis> bah
Apr 06 01:49:17 <sugardave> dawm: hah, nice
Apr 06 01:49:27 <dawm> 0.41 since i had a 0.58 ebay credit
Apr 06 01:49:29 <dawm> :P
Apr 06 01:49:45 <summatusmentis> I want one of http://www.studioneat.com/products/cosmonaut
Apr 06 01:50:10 <sugardave> I want say what she said
Apr 06 01:50:12 <dawm> lol
Apr 06 01:50:38 <dawm> The shaft has a comfortable rubber grip that feels great to hold for people of all ages, including children and the elderly.
Apr 06 01:50:44 <sugardave> s/want/won't/   jeez
Apr 06 01:50:45 <dawm> LOL
Apr 06 01:51:10 <sugardave> guess that proves I need some victuals
Apr 06 01:51:46 <summatusmentis> dawm: that's so illegal
Apr 06 01:52:16 <dawm> lol
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