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Apr 14 12:43:48 <fxspec06> http://mikecanex.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/gee-were-the-people-right-after-all/
Apr 14 17:56:14 <baboo> i wonder why my stage assistant is not pushing the scene! At least it looks that way.
Apr 14 17:56:46 <baboo> i hava a pastebin url. http://pastebin.com/vCdsjE2y
Apr 14 17:59:11 <pc-world> baboo: have you checked the logs?
Apr 14 18:01:41 <baboo> yup, it said that the object has no 'pushScene' method
Apr 14 18:03:47 <baboo> error: Uncaught TypeError: Object function anonymous() { { this.initialize.apply(this, arguments);} } has no method 'pushScene', app/assistants/stage-assistant.js:7
Apr 14 18:03:47 <baboo> error: Uncaught TypeError: Object function anonymous() { { this.initialize.apply(this, arguments);} } has no method 'pushScene', app/assistants/stage-assistant.js:7
Apr 14 18:05:43 <pc-world> baboo: try this:
Apr 14 18:05:44 <pc-world> this.controller.pushScene("main");
Apr 14 18:06:13 <baboo> okay
Apr 14 18:07:23 <baboo> it worked! yay!
Apr 14 18:07:29 <baboo> thank you
Apr 14 18:08:12 <baboo> weboshelp.net said for me to do Mojo.Controller.StageController.pushScene("main");
Apr 14 18:08:50 <pc-world> baboo: don't use weboshelp.net... ;)
Apr 14 18:09:06 <pc-world> their latest news is "webOS 1.4 is here", and the latest version of webOS is 3.0.5
Apr 14 18:09:17 <baboo> oh no
Apr 14 18:09:37 <baboo> that's funny
Apr 14 18:09:54 <pc-world> baboo: are you developing for webOS phones or the TouchPad?
Apr 14 18:10:20 <baboo> in my current app so far just for phones
Apr 14 18:10:58 <baboo> do i use "uiRevision": "3"?
Apr 14 18:11:08 <baboo> in appinfo.json
Apr 14 18:11:25 <baboo> for the TP
Apr 14 18:11:32 <pc-world> nope, it's "2"
Apr 14 18:11:39 <baboo> oh
Apr 14 18:11:54 <baboo> thank you!
Apr 14 18:12:46 <pc-world> if you'd mainly target the TouchPad you should Enyo and not Mojo, but that doesn't seem to be the case
Apr 14 18:12:54 <pc-world> *you should learn
Apr 14 18:13:08 <sugardav1> omg, how do you switch irssi windows on a Mac?
Apr 14 18:13:19 <baboo> what's that
Apr 14 18:13:38 <sugardav1> irssi === irc client
Apr 14 18:13:40 <baboo> irssi windows
Apr 14 18:14:20 <sugardav1> on other systems, you cycle through windows with alt+#, but that doesn't seem to do anything on this mac
Apr 14 18:14:25 <pc-world> sugardav1: I'd rather say typeof(irssi) === "irc client" :P
Apr 14 18:14:41 <sugardav1> it's amazing I can type at all on here :P
Apr 14 18:15:19 <invalidopcode> holy cow! what's going on? activity in the webos channel?
Apr 14 18:16:01 <pc-world> invalidopcode: I've been wondering myself
Apr 14 18:16:44 <sugardav1> woohoo, "use option as meta-key". man, that is intuitive
Apr 14 18:16:45 <invalidopcode> pc-world: hahaha its been sad.... the playbook-dev channel has been more active than here
Apr 14 18:16:54 <pc-world> don't worry though, it'll be dead in an hour again
Apr 14 18:16:54 <invalidopcode> lately
Apr 14 18:17:03 <invalidopcode> haha aww...
Apr 14 18:18:14 <sugardave> yeah, I'm messing around with Enyo 2 and haven't touched Mojo in over a year
Apr 14 18:26:15 <fxspec06> mojo is so old school
Apr 14 18:26:42 <fxspec06> i remember when i used to be like, "oh mojo is teh shiz" and now it's -__-
Apr 14 18:27:05 <kyam> I felt the same when i bought the Pre
Apr 14 18:27:09 <sugardave> Mojo is magic
Apr 14 18:29:52 <pc-world> and now there's Enyo 2, another not-backwards-compatible framework... :-/
Apr 14 18:30:41 <pc-world> HP always creates half-baked new things, and instead of improving them they invent new features/frameworks/whatever
Apr 14 18:31:36 <invalidopcode> for a perfect example... look how many freaking different drivers there are for HP Printers.....
Apr 14 18:34:24 <pc-world> I'm not sure if Microsoft is following the same approach now
Apr 14 18:34:58 <kyam> i think windows phone is pretty good. will be next phone hopefully
Apr 14 18:36:23 <pc-world> yeah Windows Phone is a cool thing, I have the Lumia 800
Apr 14 18:36:48 <pc-world> though it's as closed as iOS (or even more)
Apr 14 18:37:16 <kyam> Microsoft was smart enough to make sure the OS runs fast
Apr 14 18:37:24 <pc-world> yeah that's true
Apr 14 18:37:43 <pc-world> I think it's even more fluid than iOS for some things
Apr 14 18:38:05 <kyam> don't understand what palm was htinking
Apr 14 18:38:20 <kyam> it runs slow but it can multitask
Apr 14 18:38:49 <pc-world> I think one problem in webOS is that all apps run in the same process and they block each other
Apr 14 18:39:36 <pc-world> rather *one big problem
Apr 14 18:41:24 <kyam> if it was as fast as IOS and could produce the same quality apps it would have been a  huge success
Apr 14 18:42:47 <pc-world> *if*
Apr 14 18:42:55 <EricBlade> I think that is certainly possible, but it requires pretty advanced skills.  And knowledge of things that aren't well or at all documented.
Apr 14 18:43:12 <fxspec06> javascript will never be that fast
Apr 14 18:43:27 <pc-world> fxspec06: JavaScript isn't really the problem
Apr 14 18:43:31 <pc-world> it's webkit
Apr 14 18:43:48 <fxspec06> as fast as ios webkit is, if ios was written strictly in web wlements it'd be slow as molasses
Apr 14 18:43:49 <pc-world> fxspec06: V8 is very very fast
Apr 14 18:44:05 <fxspec06> and when i say slow as molasses, i mean everybody complaining
Apr 14 18:44:12 <fxspec06> i'd be fine with it
Apr 14 18:44:50 <pc-world> I guess the problem is webkit and rendering
Apr 14 18:44:50 <pc-world> HTML just isn't supposed to be used for whole applications
Apr 14 18:45:04 <fxspec06> but anyways webos will always be at an inherent disadvantage when the operating system uses web based elements everywhere
Apr 14 18:45:19 <pc-world> of course
Apr 14 18:45:22 <fxspec06> that's a battle i don't think it can win
Apr 14 18:45:39 <pc-world> though they could have at least used multiple processes
Apr 14 18:46:21 <pc-world> but I still think webOS was a nice and interesting idea
Apr 14 18:46:24 <fxspec06> even ten years from now, webkit in its current state on umteen faster hardware will always feel sluggish
Apr 14 18:47:20 <pc-world> right, hardware isn't the (only) solution, even though HPalm tried that
Apr 14 18:47:36 <fxspec06> i'd like to see a fully binary-ish OS merged w/ the ability to still run web apps natively
Apr 14 18:48:05 <fxspec06> i know parts of webos are binary already, but not enough of it it seems. but then that'd defeat thepurpose of web---os
Apr 14 18:48:38 <pc-world> which parts of webOS do you mean?
Apr 14 18:49:28 <fxspec06> afaik the only parts that are binary are the launcher and some BG services
Apr 14 18:50:31 <pc-world> as said, multithreading/-processing would solve a lot of performance issues
Apr 14 18:50:37 <pc-world> (like Chromium does)
Apr 14 18:51:04 <fxspec06> okay. sure it would
Apr 14 18:51:20 <fxspec06> but that could have solved a lot of performance issues... three ears ago
Apr 14 18:51:26 <pc-world> currently, when an app executes JS, all other apps are blocked
Apr 14 18:51:26 <pc-world> if you have an infinite loop. you'll see all other apps will hang as well
Apr 14 18:51:56 <pc-world> *halt
Apr 14 18:52:16 <fxspec06> mojo had far worse issues in that regard
Apr 14 18:52:19 <pc-world> another problem is that scrolling isn't native
Apr 14 18:52:42 <pc-world> etc.
Apr 14 18:53:37 <fxspec06> i dislike how ppl say webos got the hardware chance tho. it really didn't. the touchpad is killer hardware and it runs like butter
Apr 14 18:53:59 <sugardave> You should see it on my Go ;)
Apr 14 18:54:25 * fxspec06 grr
Apr 14 18:54:32 <pc-world> I don't think the TouchPad runs like butter...
Apr 14 18:55:26 <pc-world> 5-10s launch time
Apr 14 18:55:29 <pc-world> (of apps)
Apr 14 18:55:33 <kyam> i think android runs faster on the tp
Apr 14 18:55:41 <fxspec06> it lets you perform your tasks without wanting to throw it out the window
Apr 14 18:55:52 <fxspec06> android does run pretty good on it, too
Apr 14 18:55:56 <pc-world> kyam: I think it does (though scrolling is a little laggy)
Apr 14 18:56:29 <pc-world> too good we still have desktops to work on
Apr 14 18:56:59 <pc-world> What can I do on my tablet that I usually do on a computer? Almost nothing
Apr 14 18:57:06 <fxspec06> lmao
Apr 14 18:57:19 <fxspec06> +1 for that. so sad, too
Apr 14 18:58:12 <fxspec06> you can play birds
Apr 14 18:58:17 <sugardave> yes!  a tablet with CD burner, that's what we need!
Apr 14 18:58:26 <kyam> I use it to play online games with the wife
Apr 14 18:58:28 <pc-world> lol
Apr 14 18:58:41 <fxspec06> you can check your facebook status!
Apr 14 18:59:00 <kyam> when on the bed i do a little reading / surfing
Apr 14 18:59:21 <pc-world> everyone who says a Facebook app (no matter what platform) is good, they're not really using Facebook in the browser
Apr 14 19:00:06 <kyam> android app is good to me
Apr 14 19:00:39 <kyam> not big on facebook though. it has chat at least
Apr 14 19:00:40 <pc-world> I mean, Facebook apps are not even really real-time
Apr 14 19:01:29 <pc-world> (though the Facebook API is very limited)
Apr 14 19:03:02 <baboo> do regexps like text = text.replace(/\b([aeiou][a-z]*)\b/gi, "$1way"); // Rule 2
Apr 14 19:03:03 <baboo> text = text.replace(/\b([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvwxy]+)([a-z]*)\b/gi, "$2$1ay"); // Rule 1 work on mojo
Apr 14 19:03:29 <fxspec06> i don't see any reason why they wouldn't.
Apr 14 19:03:46 <fxspec06> that's part of javascript api.
Apr 14 19:04:21 <baboo> hmm. the pig latin translator doesn't show a new text in the output.
Apr 14 19:06:23 <baboo> check http://pastebin.com/rf3EfT7N out
Apr 14 19:07:55 <pc-world> does it work in your desktop browser?
Apr 14 19:08:07 <fxspec06> have you tried giving text a phantom value before setting it to the box to see if the box is actually setting
Apr 14 19:08:48 <pc-world> ACTION="javascript:latinize()"
Apr 14 19:08:48 <pc-world> isn't that "onsubmit"?
Apr 14 19:09:11 <baboo> i think
Apr 14 19:09:11 <fxspec06> yeah
Apr 14 19:09:47 <pc-world> I'd use onsubmit="latinize(); return false;"
Apr 14 19:09:57 <baboo> it works in Chrome
Apr 14 19:09:57 <pc-world> and "document.translate.latin.value" is soo outdated syntax
Apr 14 19:10:08 <fxspec06> lol
Apr 14 19:10:10 <baboo> maybe that's why
Apr 14 19:10:38 <baboo> i have to go
Apr 14 19:10:42 <fxspec06> document.getElementById("english").value
Apr 14 19:10:52 <baboo> ok
Apr 14 19:10:56 <fxspec06> then give the textareas id's
Apr 14 19:10:58 <pc-world> but then id="english"
Apr 14 19:11:03 <fxspec06> yeah
Apr 14 19:11:17 <pc-world> and please use lower-case HTML attributes ;)
Apr 14 19:11:21 <fxspec06> lol
Apr 14 19:13:32 <baboo> i found the code on a website.
Apr 14 19:14:45 <baboo> i'l try it
Apr 14 19:15:59 <baboo> it doesn't work :(
Apr 14 19:16:26 <pc-world> logs?
Apr 14 19:16:46 <fxspec06> i'm not even sure why it needs to be a form
Apr 14 19:17:19 <baboo> i need to go bye
Apr 14 19:17:22 <pc-world> it doesn't (if you don't care about valid HTML9
Apr 14 19:17:24 <pc-world> bye
Apr 14 19:17:34 <pc-world> s/9/)
Apr 14 19:22:48 <baboo> the logs said that the function latinize was not defined in the index.html
Apr 14 19:23:11 <fxspec06> lol
Apr 14 19:23:43 <fxspec06> that wold explain why nothing is showing in thebox =P
Apr 14 19:23:50 <baboo> yup
Apr 14 19:24:01 <fxspec06> so ou can declare it differently
Apr 14 19:24:09 <fxspec06> latinize: function(){
Apr 14 19:24:13 <fxspec06> or latinize = function(){
Apr 14 19:24:19 <baboo> the form action is "javascript:latinize();"
Apr 14 19:24:25 <fxspec06> or
Apr 14 19:24:33 <fxspec06> well yeah either should work.
Apr 14 19:24:38 <baboo> ok
Apr 14 19:26:15 <baboo> still the same problem
Apr 14 19:26:41 <baboo> with latinize = function(){
Apr 14 19:27:34 <fxspec06> you MAY want to try undercasing the script tag
Apr 14 19:27:42 <fxspec06> <script type="text/javascript">
Apr 14 19:27:54 <baboo> ok
Apr 14 19:28:43 <fxspec06> otherwise i'm not sure what's goig on.
Apr 14 19:29:04 <baboo> i see why. it thought it was a comment (probably)
Apr 14 19:29:12 <baboo> i'll tyest it
Apr 14 19:29:16 <baboo> test
Apr 14 19:30:46 <baboo> it still doesn't work still :(
Apr 14 19:31:15 <baboo> i need to go bye
Apr 14 19:41:53 <pc-world> baboo: put it in a JS file and load it via sources.json (I know, too late)
Apr 15 00:26:16 <EricBlade> heh. closing an app with the keyboard on screen is a pretty cool display, it looks like the app is ripped in half as the app flies off the top of the screen and the keyboard flies off the bottom
Apr 15 00:29:23 <baboo> EricBlade: do you know if there is a problem with calling functions in a mojo app? the caller is in the input (form) button.
Apr 15 00:29:47 <baboo> and the function is in a script tag
Apr 15 00:30:03 <baboo> i get this error message in the log
Apr 15 00:30:14 <EricBlade> i know absolutely nothing about mojo, but my guess is that it's probably an error on your part, since the javascript interpreter generally works as expected
Apr 15 00:30:24 <baboo> error: Uncaught ReferenceError: latinize is not defined, index.html:1
Apr 15 00:30:39 <baboo> hmmm
Apr 15 00:30:59 <baboo> let me take another look
Apr 15 00:31:03 <EricBlade> so somewhere you're referencing something called latinize that doesn't exist
Apr 15 00:32:05 <baboo> it does in the script tag
Apr 15 00:32:15 <EricBlade> pastebin ?
Apr 15 00:32:21 <baboo> i'll patebin the code
Apr 15 00:32:27 <baboo> pastebin
Apr 15 00:33:43 <baboo> http://pastebin.com/BwJd6wVi
Apr 15 00:34:39 <EricBlade> try function latinize() { ... }
Apr 15 00:35:45 <baboo> ok
Apr 15 00:37:29 <baboo> still
Apr 15 00:37:50 <baboo> error: Uncaught ReferenceError: latinize is not defined, index.html:1
Apr 15 00:38:22 <EricBlade> you do have a html, head, body elements, right?
Apr 15 00:39:00 <EricBlade> <html><head><script ..> ... </script></head><body>...</body></html>
Apr 15 00:40:20 <baboo> no, i thought mojo didn't need those
Apr 15 00:40:38 <baboo> but i'll try anyways
Apr 15 00:40:43 <EricBlade> this doesn't have anything to do with mojo, as far as i can tell
Apr 15 00:41:26 <EricBlade> not if that's your index.html
Apr 15 00:41:30 <baboo> yeah
Apr 15 00:41:47 <baboo> it's a new scena
Apr 15 00:41:51 <baboo> scene
Apr 15 00:42:18 <baboo> main-scene.html
Apr 15 00:42:27 <EricBlade> mojo hurt my brain with all that scene and controller stuff
Apr 15 00:42:40 <baboo> what do use
Apr 15 00:42:43 <EricBlade> enyo
Apr 15 00:42:49 <baboo> what do you
Apr 15 00:42:52 <baboo> use
Apr 15 00:42:55 <baboo> ok
Apr 15 00:48:09 <baboo> it worked!
Apr 15 00:48:28 <baboo> 1/2 done so far
Apr 15 02:14:19 <baboo> my app is running!
Apr 15 02:16:21 <baboo> download it at http://justin.websb.net/com.justin.piglatin_1.0.0_all.ipk
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