**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 19 02:59:59 2012 Apr 19 03:00:03 useful for debugging I imagine :) Apr 19 03:00:53 invalidopcode: but yeah if device has host mode we should be able to use devices like Android Open Accessory Development Kit just fine Apr 19 03:01:32 yeah, i doubt that would be a big selling point, but maybe it will attract at least a few homebrew developers Apr 19 03:04:50 invalidopcode: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10748 looks like IOIO supports android open accessory protocol too and is $50, nice Apr 19 03:05:40 destinal: yeah, i use one of these on a normal arduino for it: http://www.circuitsathome.com/products-page/arduino-shields/usb-host-shield-2-0-for-arduino/ Apr 19 03:05:56 cool Apr 19 03:07:52 yup... fun stuff Apr 19 03:11:02 destinal: have you guys gotten the qt javascript core stuff from isis to build on the touchpad yet? Apr 19 03:13:11 invalidopcode: I haven't been working on that project personally. I think there were some outstanding issues there but I don't know what they are, I have been meaning to play with it. Apr 19 03:15:05 I know it has been built and run on a PC for instance but I don't know about ARM targets Apr 19 03:15:49 yeah... i found the instructions for Linux, but i want to build it for the touchpad and hopefully get a little bit of a speed increase Apr 19 03:18:12 actually what might be an interesting project would be to look through the open source webkit patches that apple has released for iOS and see which ones might benefit the touchpad Apr 19 03:21:07 well webkit IS an apple project Apr 19 03:21:49 among others Apr 19 03:22:05 so latest webkit would be latest webkit with same things iOS uses Apr 19 03:23:18 yeah I guess that's true Apr 19 03:24:57 touchpad does host mode, just doesn't provide power so you have to make a cable that does Apr 19 03:24:59 unfortunately Palm's original webkit open source release was incomplete so we can't just apply patches to make regular iOS work on webos. if this new isis one is functional that should solve the problem though Apr 19 03:25:36 s/iOS/version that works on iOS/ Apr 19 03:26:07 ah ok.... i see Apr 19 03:26:14 well that's not true. apple surely has internal changes to webkit Apr 19 03:26:16 just like android does Apr 19 03:27:09 DraX: well webcore is GPL, they'd have to give us corresponding source code to what they ship in binary form Apr 19 03:27:21 most of the rest of webkit is BSD though Apr 19 03:28:20 chrome for android isn't even open source at all right now Apr 19 03:28:51 because the open sourceness of everything that touches android is tainted Apr 19 03:29:36 DraX: I suppose I don't follow that statement Apr 19 03:30:12 android has a bad track record of not releasing code, like all of honeycomb Apr 19 03:30:30 and of course what is in AOSP is quite different from actual android builds Apr 19 03:32:05 ahh yeah that's true. commercial android handsets use builds that are AOSP + extras where the extras can be proprietary Apr 19 03:32:49 that is one of the downsides of the apache license and could be true for webos if companies started using webos on their own handsets. Apr 19 03:33:17 really no obligation to release any code you change Apr 19 03:33:37 * invalidopcode still likes GPL Apr 19 03:36:29 hey destinal, if we built some type of webs push notification service, do you think webos internals would possibly host it? Apr 19 03:37:48 invalidopcode: we'd have to figure out the projected load and all that, obviously these servers are run by a mix of donations and volunteer labor so we have to live within our means, but maybe Apr 19 03:38:53 invalidopcode: the easiest thing does seem to be to use one of the existing providers that works on iOS and android if possible, that gives us a lot of existing work to leverage too Apr 19 03:39:00 hm.. ok. i was just throwing the idea out there. it might be a fun project to build Apr 19 03:39:07 invalidopcode: yeah it would be Apr 19 03:40:03 yeah, ok Apr 19 03:40:47 we could make it true to the webos nature and write it with web technologies like nodejs :P Apr 19 03:43:54 yes! Google Music, and Google+ would be phenomenal Apr 19 03:44:00 oh, holy crap Apr 19 03:44:05 scrollback is hard Apr 19 03:44:25 haha welcome to the conversation :P Apr 19 03:44:48 sorry, I was reading backlog, but then forgot about it Apr 19 03:45:24 ah haha ok Apr 19 03:45:39 but seriously, ignoring netflix (because proprietary), the things I use android for are fully functional mendeley client, a note-taking app that does palm-recognition, and google services integration Apr 19 03:46:15 I bought a cosmonaut stylus, and it's awesome Apr 19 03:46:17 mendeley? Apr 19 03:46:18 what are mendeley and palm-recognition? Apr 19 03:46:30 research papers.. hmmm Apr 19 03:46:31 mendeley is a cloud-based citation manager Apr 19 03:46:33 yes Apr 19 03:46:38 I'm a PhD student Apr 19 03:47:00 there's a partial webOS client that PuffTheMagic started and then left Apr 19 03:47:16 oh, also, PDF reader with hilight/note-taking support Apr 19 03:47:34 invalidopcode: so, providers seem to be - Boxcar for iPhone/iPad - http://boxcar.io/ - Prowl for iPhone/iPad - http://www.prowlapp.com/ - SMS with Twilio - http://twilio.com/ - Urban Airship - http://urbanairship.com/ - Xtify - http://xtify.com/ Apr 19 03:49:03 there was notifo but it looks like it's dying Apr 19 03:49:25 destinal: the only thing is that we need to find on that doesn't use the apple push notifications as a carrier Apr 19 03:49:35 yeah its sad... i liked notifo :/ Apr 19 03:54:24 destinal: hey! that urban airship has an intel appup javascript example Apr 19 03:54:50 wait never mind.... Apr 19 03:55:05 that only for their in-app purchase features Apr 19 03:56:50 ugh... its looks they all use cd2m google service Apr 19 03:56:59 *c2dm Apr 19 04:51:50 is there a command that shows the number of people in this channel? Apr 19 04:52:26 wondering how many people are on hp webos Apr 19 04:59:48 JunJi: there's 97 people in here right now Apr 19 05:00:33 sup Apr 19 05:00:49 invalidopcode, thanks how did you know :p Apr 19 05:01:20 JunJi: in pidgin it shows the number of people in a channel on the righthand side Apr 19 05:01:28 same in xchat Apr 19 05:02:26 i'm using firefox thanks tho Apr 19 05:05:15 I just started some webos porting work so need to get familiar with this channel, guess I'll be always here ;) Apr 19 05:07:25 JunJi, if you dont mind my asking, what type of porting? Apr 19 05:09:40 we're gonna place it on a smartphone which is on market now as the first step Apr 19 05:09:52 who is we? Apr 19 05:10:48 just out of curiosity Apr 19 05:12:00 ooooo new dev interest? welcome JunJi Apr 19 05:12:27 currently it's just almost personal :p, yep thanks invalidopcode good to see you Apr 19 05:13:02 good to see me? have we met before? Apr 19 05:13:13 nope; Apr 19 05:13:26 ah haha ok Apr 19 05:45:57 * Stskeeps waves to JunJi Apr 19 05:48:25 JunJi: yeah, interested in the same thing, but source code would be helpful, first :) Apr 19 05:50:38 webos community edition is supposed to be releasing source code by june for webos 3.x, with the exception of the things HP can't release. At the same time Open webOS 1.x (like webos 4.x) is releasing source month by month as completed Apr 19 05:52:24 open webos is the next step forward and the proprietary things they can't release due to licensing will be eliminated but instead it will ship with the next generation replacements for them Apr 19 05:55:52 yeah.. will be interesting to see what form they release bits and pieces Apr 19 06:04:32 i'm hoping they release it all with a nice build system so you can just do a "make all" and have a new webos image Apr 19 06:23:28 good evening webosers Apr 19 06:24:16 good evening EricBlade1 Apr 19 06:25:10 invalidopcode: check your email Apr 19 06:25:58 ok Apr 19 06:26:27 to actually make decent use of it, there are a few things to remember, as far as i can tell so far: (1) when sending a gvoice message using the Messaging app, it will be completely lost forever if the GVoice app is not open. Apr 19 06:27:30 (2) after you get the "1 message sent" message from the GVoice app when sending a message with the webOS messaging app, swipe the sent message away to delete it, so that the app doesn't pick it up again and try to resend it Apr 19 06:27:50 (3) before closing the GVoice app, tap the Menu->Debug Log->Reset Outgoing Queue Apr 19 06:28:03 if you follow those steps, you should have very few if any duplicate messages at all Apr 19 06:28:19 ok Apr 19 06:29:31 i was able to carry on a lengthy conversation today using only the messaging app, without getting any duplicates Apr 19 06:30:12 and in case you're curious, the key to making something appear "sent" is to have it in the "outbox" folder, versus the "inbox" folder Apr 19 06:30:29 did you change something with the loginstate? because it doesn't show up in the status area for some reason Apr 19 06:30:40 and yes, i know that, i think i mentioned that to you last night :P Apr 19 06:30:53 it doesn't seem to actually care one bit about the to/from fields, except to the conversation threading Apr 19 06:31:00 ah ok Apr 19 06:31:33 did you fix the database stuff? or should i archive my inbox again? Apr 19 06:31:42 if you removed the account and deleted the app last night, you'll need to re-enable the account Apr 19 06:31:57 the database stuff shouldn't continuously repeat Apr 19 06:31:59 http://www.webosnation.com/webos-developer-center-update-offers-customer-reviews-and-shorter-promo-codes - oh look! Apr 19 06:32:16 it should load any messages that are in your inbox first page, and after that, it will stop loading them. Apr 19 06:32:35 ok cool Apr 19 06:32:35 akanster: woo! Apr 19 06:33:14 hoping for some major changes to it in the future, that stuff is nice and all ,but it's really not.. that.. important, i guess. who wants to promo code stuff when there's no new users? Apr 19 06:33:24 haha Apr 19 06:35:12 ok the accounts don't like my touchpad Apr 19 06:40:20 its weird... its not populating the database on mine Apr 19 06:41:45 EricBlade: did you get text message? Apr 19 06:44:18 i have the app all shut down at the moment, i didn't want to risk any more duplicate issues that maybe i haven't located yet triggering at 3am when my friends are sleeping and they suddenly receive 20 msgs Apr 19 06:44:31 hahaha ok Apr 19 06:44:49 i just sent back from my playbook though Apr 19 06:45:20 well i have to go, so i'll try testing this in wild a little bit tomorrow, and i'll get back to you tomorrow evening? Apr 19 06:45:30 whoa.. somehow i just managed to card my lock screen Apr 19 06:45:54 cool? haha ok night everyone Apr 19 06:46:13 bye sleep tight Apr 19 06:46:24 good night. if you're up to it, i might have more tedious but possibly interesting things we can hack together on Apr 19 22:39:49 are these regexs right? http://pastebin.com/zmTL220E Apr 19 22:40:15 i'm trying to convert pig latin to english Apr 19 22:40:58 check out the wikipedia article for pig latin Apr 19 23:42:19 woo my new pre3 is fully charged. yay. now, what do i do with it.. Apr 19 23:42:45 turn it on? Apr 19 23:43:02 yeah it's all upgraded and logged in and ready to roll. got preware and impostah Apr 19 23:43:15 tested GVoice Synergy on it, but that's a no go :( Apr 19 23:45:03 EricBlade1: differences between 3.x and 2.x ? Apr 19 23:45:35 destinal: most likely. it looks like 2.x is possibly expecting a specific return value from the function that enables an account for synergy, whereas 3.x doesn't particularly seem to care Apr 19 23:46:11 i'm elbows deep in work code for the next 3-4 days though :| Apr 19 23:59:34 destinal: it just dumped all the messages into my Messaging app even though the account refuses to enable messaging. so, at least, it mostly works Apr 20 00:00:13 but the messaging app says "Messages can no longer be sent or received in this conversation." and it has an account indicator of "Lock" on it Apr 20 00:05:08 dkirker: ping? Apr 20 00:05:27 PatrickC: hi Apr 20 00:06:16 EricBlade1: welcome to the Pre3 team :) Apr 20 00:07:04 thank you. it's a bit underwhelming until i get actual stuff on it Apr 20 00:07:44 i love mine Apr 20 00:07:50 wish i could activate it :/ Apr 20 00:07:53 EricBlade1: Is GVoice Synergy something that I can help out with? I had started on such a product a while back. Apr 20 00:08:01 i have one im giving away on the 29th tho :) Apr 20 00:08:09 dkirker: get my PM? Apr 20 00:08:13 yes Apr 20 00:09:24 dkirker: i would be absolutely honored although at the moment it's all smashed into the rest of GVoice :D Apr 20 00:09:25 nvm :) Apr 20 00:09:43 EricBlade1: Hehe. Alright, well, let me know when you're ready! Apr 20 00:11:06 * PatrickC is installing ubuntu.. so happy Apr 20 00:11:19 dkirker: if you happen to be able to find out what the accounts app on 2.x is looking for when it spits out "Error: TRANSPORT_FAILURE (Failed to notify transports:palm://com.ericblade.googlevoiceapp.service/onEnabled )" that'd be really helpful.. then I can get it running on phones as well Apr 20 00:11:24 and on my external hdd too :) its the only option it gave me haha Apr 20 00:11:36 EricBlade1: have u talked to NuttyBunny? Apr 20 00:12:00 i haven't heard from him in forever, aside from a post he recently made on webosnation chastising someone for not reading directions Apr 20 00:12:18 EricBlade1: Lemme check. I think that I had gotten as far as creating a phone and messaging account on webOS 2.2.3 (and logging into Google Voice!) before I took a break. Apr 20 00:12:51 EricBlade1: he did a lot with messaging plugins.. lemme have him contact u :) we're pretty good friends (nuttybunny and I) Apr 20 00:13:02 dm me your email plz :) Apr 20 00:13:17 dkirker: i have the whole messaging exchange actually working, on touchpad, you can actually hold a conversation, although there's a lot of things you have to take care of to avoid duplicate messages right now Apr 20 00:13:53 what i haven't implemented was the actual accounts panel and such that we're supposed to implement Apr 20 00:14:18 and all the communication is being handled in a regular app instead of on the service side right now Apr 20 00:14:44 Mine is currently empty. But... This might do something: future.result = {returnValue: true}; Apr 20 00:15:24 yeah i need to explore what's actually coming back. right now, i think it's returning whatever the return value of the database permission set returned Apr 20 00:15:45 I feel like I received that error before... Apr 20 00:15:54 it all works, until i hit the "Messaging: On" toggle, and do a back swipe, then it cries Apr 20 00:16:19 have you tried uninstalling and re-installing? Apr 20 00:20:06 yeah i've done that a few times .. unfortunately, i don't have time right at this moment to mess with it :| Apr 20 00:20:25 well maybe i can real quick force that returnValue in case the other operation is giving something else Apr 20 00:21:34 dkirker: something else you might be interested in, i did manage to make some VoIP progress, using gstreamer, however when I managed to get the data, gstreamer would crash Apr 20 00:24:44 nope forcing returnValue true from there didn't get it Apr 20 00:25:26 my touchpad keyboard has a weird green flashing light under the battery cover. ? Apr 20 00:27:12 yup Apr 20 00:27:13 power Apr 20 00:27:16 the power light Apr 20 00:27:24 EricBlade1: Nice! I had everything up to voice working. Apr 20 00:27:56 Ok... I am bored as hell at work... Apr 20 00:28:08 I want to go home and clean my apartment for the weekend, and work on Universe. :) Apr 20 00:28:10 i'm not entirely certain how i did it, might take me a little while to get going again, and the gstreamer people are only good for repeating "read the manual. closer." Apr 20 00:28:43 My issue was that I didn't want to try to write a custom driver for pjsip... Apr 20 00:28:59 pjsip? Apr 20 00:29:07 It was the sip library that I was going to use. Apr 20 00:29:17 oh.. sip seems to be the easy part Apr 20 00:29:22 I am tempted to pick up linphone though, and use a newer version with SMS capability. Apr 20 00:29:37 Yeah, SIP is easy. Just HTTP style plain-text messages. Apr 20 00:29:48 It is just signaling. RTP is the b*tch. Apr 20 00:30:33 I suppose that it wouldn't be too hard to receive the data through an HTML5 Socket and pass to a C plugin. :P Apr 20 00:30:37 which is what i was attempting to use gstreamer for. Apr 20 00:30:49 Yeah. gstreamer would do the trick! Apr 20 00:30:56 I think the one that Palm used was somewhat old/buggy? Apr 20 00:31:41 apparently there is a gstreamer module that would figure out from SDP ? data, what parameters to call itself with, and run that, which would be super nice Apr 20 00:31:47 but i have no idea how to build that Apr 20 00:32:03 :S Apr 20 00:32:15 so my thought was that hopefully once i got gstreamer to work from a command prompt, i could then wire a service call to it Apr 20 00:32:32 One of the webOS-Internals dudes knows gstreamer. But I think he was supper busy the last time that I talked with him? Apr 20 00:32:48 Yeah, that would work. Apr 20 00:37:41 well, what i came up with was here ..http://pastebin.com/XtYTQKZ2 the ip/port numbers are probably off because the SDP file on top was captured long before i got to the command line at the bottom Apr 20 00:38:38 on all my other attempts at figuring out, it would just sit there and do nothing, but when i got there, it would start blasting out all kinds of verbose debug info, then crash Apr 20 00:39:10 but only if i did it within a few moments of attempting a call. so i think it was doing something right Apr 20 00:53:51 also i don't think that's a power indicator, my gf's doesn't have a weird green flashing light, and is working fine. mine is not working ,but has a weird green light Apr 20 00:54:13 figured the batteries were dead on it, but if that's a battery low indicator, why is it green o.O Apr 20 01:01:51 hmmm... that is right.... gstreamer allows RTP data from a UDP port. Apr 20 01:02:01 And I think that it can send UDP data, too. Apr 20 01:04:11 Well.... I might have to experiment with this Apr 20 01:07:35 if you get something working, i have what appears to be functional sip code running in my gvoice service already Apr 20 01:07:56 at least, functional enough to the point where i can setup a call, i'm not sure if the call is working, until i actually receive something though Apr 20 01:20:13 dkirker: well, here's the weirdest thing i've ever seen .. Apr 20 01:20:19 and i've seen some pretty weird things Apr 20 01:20:32 i have Gvoice Synergy pumping my Google Voice messages into the messaging app on my Pre 3 Apr 20 01:20:43 EricBlade1, picture? Apr 20 01:21:08 and they are appearing on my Pre 2, as well. My Pre 2 was just wiped, and logged into a completely different webOS account, and does not have GVoice installed, nor an account for it. Apr 20 01:21:21 RagingMind: of what? Apr 20 01:21:28 weird green light Apr 20 01:21:40 oh, it's right next to the pairing switch Apr 20 01:22:35 ah Apr 20 01:22:49 hmm... I can't even find my tp keyboard at the moment to look at it Apr 20 01:24:03 weird... Apr 20 01:29:46 also my pre2 was able to successfully log into any of my webos accounts, the pre3 i had to devmode and impostah Apr 20 01:35:34 :S Apr 20 01:46:37 hmm. well that explains it Apr 20 01:46:55 my gvoice forwarding is turned on to that sim card. wonder why i didn't receive like 2 months of texts Apr 20 01:52:17 heh.. can't do a "pdk-device-install" while a touchpad is hooked up via wifi, because it thinks it's an emulator Apr 20 02:10:59 wow, awesome. it just picked up every message i'd ever sent with it, even on another device, and resent it Apr 20 02:12:34 Nice. Apr 20 02:12:37 haha Apr 20 02:12:49 Awkward. Apr 20 02:36:58 cwayne, ping? Apr 20 02:37:16 ok not doing anymore work on Gvoice Synergy until I figure out how to mark a message as sent Apr 20 02:37:37 that's just hilarious that it picked up pending messages out of my HP profile from another device and sent them, though Apr 20 02:37:48 I hope that those can get marked Apr 20 02:38:02 otherwise every time I restart the app, people are gonna get blasted Apr 20 02:48:24 haha Apr 20 02:48:33 EricBlade1, did NuttyBunny send u an email? Apr 20 02:49:46 not that i've seen Apr 20 02:50:11 ok Apr 20 02:57:59 PatrickC: yo **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 20 02:59:58 2012