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Apr 21 03:10:03 <Tibfib_> anyone have experience with the keyManager?
Apr 21 03:11:09 <invalidopcode> Tibfib_: i played with it... once
Apr 21 03:11:54 <Tibfib_> I'm having some issues. but I may have a lead. lemme see
Apr 21 03:13:37 <EricBlade> keymanager is for storing api keys right
Apr 21 03:14:03 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: yup
Apr 21 03:14:14 <Tibfib_> EricBlade:  can be
Apr 21 03:14:33 <invalidopcode> actually... its usually for encryption key stuff
Apr 21 03:15:17 <EricBlade> i just left a threatening voicemail on the local area vp of sales for comcast, since they gave me his number the last time we had problems.  said if we don't have our service working at 100% by 9am, we are disconnecting.
Apr 21 03:15:30 <Tibfib_> so I use the generate method to make the key
Apr 21 03:15:51 <Tibfib_> then do I have to store it?
Apr 21 03:16:12 <Tibfib_> because I'm not storing it and it seems to still exist upon app relaunch
Apr 21 03:16:57 <invalidopcode> Tibfib_: I am fairly certain that generating a key automatically saves it
Apr 21 03:17:23 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: comcast? like the service that's infamous for being obnoxious?
Apr 21 03:17:31 <Tibfib_> hmm I wonder what the store function is for then
Apr 21 03:17:41 <Tibfib_> invalidopcode: that's what I expected
Apr 21 03:17:59 <invalidopcode> maybe for storing a key generated somewhere else
Apr 21 03:18:48 <Tibfib_> so it appears that the encryption works. just not the decryption
Apr 21 03:19:10 <Tibfib_> I run the decryption and it returns {"returnValue": true} and no data
Apr 21 03:19:13 <Tibfib_> >.<
Apr 21 03:19:53 <Tibfib_> with the "store" function you can specify saving to the cloud
Apr 21 03:21:02 <EricBlade> so i'm calling to disconnect this service tomorrow anyway, regardless of if its fixed
Apr 21 03:21:36 <invalidopcode> Tibfib_: kindof a stupid question, but did you make sure you specified decrypt = true
Apr 21 03:21:44 <Tibfib_> haha yes
Apr 21 03:23:19 <EricBlade> i hate how the touchpad lets me open the system menu in exhibition mode, but i can't click on anything in it
Apr 21 03:23:23 <invalidopcode> haha ok just checking :P
Apr 21 03:25:23 <invalidopcode> Tibfib_: honestly, i've only played with it once because i was having issues decrypting that I couldn't solve
Apr 21 03:25:33 <Tibfib_> :(
Apr 21 03:25:35 <Tibfib_> not good to hear
Apr 21 03:26:55 <invalidopcode> yeah haha :/
Apr 21 03:27:50 <EricBlade> well my pre3 doesn't get ridiculously hot when used as a tether
Apr 21 03:28:48 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: hey, i've been using the build you gave me last night of gvoice and its been working really well
Apr 21 03:35:53 <EricBlade> yeah aside from a few glitches here or there, it's been going surprisingly well.
Apr 21 03:38:21 <invalidopcode> yup... so are documenting the stuff we've been discovering or do you want me to do it? because destinal was bugging me the other day about writing a page for the webos internals
Apr 21 03:40:40 <Tibifb> alright thanks for the help guys
Apr 21 03:40:50 <Tibifb> I've reached out to some peeps at palm. we'll see where this goes
Apr 21 03:40:50 <invalidopcode> ok bye Tibifb
Apr 21 03:40:53 <Tibifb> night
Apr 21 03:40:57 <invalidopcode> ok good luck
Apr 21 03:40:59 <invalidopcode> night
Apr 21 03:41:17 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: i wrote a sort of tutorial on developer.palm.com forums
Apr 21 03:41:36 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: ah ok... ill look for it
Apr 21 03:46:24 <EricBlade> yikes.. the battery drain on the tether is quite the same, if not worse, though.  15% in 20 minutes
Apr 21 03:47:24 <invalidopcode> wow... plug it in?
Apr 21 03:48:18 <EricBlade> yeah ill touchstone it when it gets a little lower, it's still on it's initial charge
Apr 21 03:48:45 * PatrickC wanders in
Apr 21 03:48:52 <EricBlade> i think even modern batteries benefit from a good charge/drain cycle early in their usage
Apr 21 03:49:03 <PatrickC> EricBlade, pre3?
Apr 21 03:49:09 <EricBlade> yea
Apr 21 03:49:24 * EricBlade taunts PatrickC with his screenshots
Apr 21 03:49:28 <PatrickC> yeah, i noticed that too :)
Apr 21 03:49:31 <PatrickC> EricBlade, grrr
Apr 21 03:49:35 <PatrickC> when do i get to play?! :P
Apr 21 03:51:05 <invalidopcode> so EricBlade i think the messaging plugins could use another like 3-4 months of our private testing. sound about right? :P
Apr 21 03:53:25 <PatrickC> hey! :P
Apr 21 03:54:02 * invalidopcode feels like posting some screenshots
Apr 21 03:54:23 <EricBlade> it might take me that long to figure out how the accounts thing works so  that it uses the account to hold information rather than using the gvoice app localstorage
Apr 21 03:54:57 <PatrickC> EricBlade: did u talk to nuttybunny yet?
Apr 21 03:55:05 <EricBlade> have heard nada
Apr 21 03:55:40 <PatrickC> lemme talk to him lol
Apr 21 03:55:49 <PatrickC> he was suppose to contact u yesterday
Apr 21 03:56:06 <invalidopcode> what does nuttybunny know?
Apr 21 03:56:46 <EricBlade> some industrious individual that understands xmpp, could build something that does textone or facebook or whatsapp
Apr 21 03:56:50 <PatrickC> he built synnergy messaging plugins for Facebook, Jabber, MSN, Yahoo, and more :)
Apr 21 03:57:03 <invalidopcode> ah ok cool
Apr 21 03:57:10 <PatrickC> he was actually working on porting whatsapp to webOS a while ago :P
Apr 21 03:57:20 <PatrickC> he didnt get far with it i dont think (not sure why)
Apr 21 03:57:41 <EricBlade> well those all used a native rebuild of the libpurple though
Apr 21 03:57:57 <invalidopcode> ah ok... if you could, i would like to be CC'ed with that or at least up to date, because i'd like to help
Apr 21 03:57:57 <PatrickC> true
Apr 21 03:58:06 <PatrickC> what would u need for gvoice?
Apr 21 03:58:47 <EricBlade> i think we've actually got the most difficult bits figured out, i really just need now to figure out how the default accounts-ui stuff works
Apr 21 03:59:16 <invalidopcode> also... contacts needs to be implemented :P
Apr 21 03:59:26 <EricBlade> and then extract it all from being intertwined with the current app
Apr 21 03:59:40 <invalidopcode> yeah.. and move it to a service
Apr 21 03:59:50 <PatrickC> EricBlade, i know he did the accounts-ui stuff
Apr 21 04:00:19 <invalidopcode> did he write those messaging plugins that we were reading through when we first started all of this?
Apr 21 04:00:21 <EricBlade> yeah, the documentation on accounts-ui and account validators is all of one line for each one i think
Apr 21 04:00:31 <EricBlade> i think so yea
Apr 21 04:00:55 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, if it was messaging plugins for 2.x then yeah thats him :)
Apr 21 04:01:15 <invalidopcode> yup... those are the ones
Apr 21 04:01:18 <EricBlade> it was somewhat helpful
Apr 21 04:01:27 <invalidopcode> i've read through then twice
Apr 21 04:01:31 <EricBlade> although it didn't really detail any javascript interfaces .. since .. there aren't really
Apr 21 04:01:44 <PatrickC> lol
Apr 21 04:01:47 <EricBlade> the javascript interfaces are actually all hooked up via the accounts app, and the rest of it is done via the database
Apr 21 04:02:04 <PatrickC> more then i understand :)
Apr 21 04:02:39 <invalidopcode> yeah, its in C, PatrickC, be afraid :P
Apr 21 04:02:53 * PatrickC shutters in the corner
Apr 21 04:03:04 <EricBlade> if diablo 3 doesn't start again really soon i am going to cry.
Apr 21 04:03:48 <invalidopcode> diablo on webos??? ^^^^
Apr 21 04:03:50 <invalidopcode> :P
Apr 21 04:03:57 * EricBlade starts splashtop
Apr 21 04:04:03 <invalidopcode> hahahahhaa
Apr 21 04:04:35 <PatrickC> lol
Apr 21 04:05:42 <PatrickC> EricBlade, im talking to nuttybunny right now
Apr 21 04:05:53 <EricBlade> hi nuttybunny!! *wave*
Apr 21 04:06:04 <PatrickC> what all don't u understand so i can tell him :)
Apr 21 04:06:21 <invalidopcode> why don't you just have him join the party so we all can talk to him? :)
Apr 21 04:06:28 <PatrickC> im trying :)
Apr 21 04:06:41 <EricBlade> yeah there is a irc program for webos
Apr 21 04:06:44 <invalidopcode> or is he too shy of a bunny for that :P
Apr 21 04:06:54 <EricBlade> he's probably using android now or something silyl though
Apr 21 04:07:10 <invalidopcode> there's an IRC client for almost every platform
Apr 21 04:07:19 <EricBlade> really, i don't know what to ask, because i don't know anything about the accounts ui and validator stuff
Apr 21 04:08:34 <PatrickC> brb
Apr 21 04:08:38 <PatrickC> i asked him to join the channel
Apr 21 04:11:30 <EricBlade> whoa, phone call + tether = 3% battery drop in under a minute
Apr 21 04:12:48 <EricBlade> 5% battery should be good enough to throw it on a recharge. let's see how that does.  maybe i won't need to buy internet at my new place
Apr 21 04:16:00 <EricBlade> NuttyBunny!!
Apr 21 04:16:17 * NuttyBunny waves hello!!
Apr 21 04:16:26 * invalidopcode waves at NuttyBunny
Apr 21 04:16:37 <EricBlade> been quite some time, how's things?
Apr 21 04:16:47 <NuttyBunny> I shouldn't be here right now, Important driving ;)
Apr 21 04:16:56 <EricBlade> do NOT drive and IRC
Apr 21 04:16:59 <NuttyBunny> Too much work :(
Apr 21 04:17:11 <invalidopcode> yeah... thats probably not a good idea
Apr 21 04:17:36 <EricBlade> i used to do that waaaaaaaay back in the day, and i don't know how i survived
Apr 21 04:17:44 <NuttyBunny> I know.
Apr 21 04:18:05 <EricBlade> get back to us when you're not doing something dangerous
Apr 21 04:18:15 <NuttyBunny> At least traffic is pretty heavy
Apr 21 04:18:47 <EricBlade> but what i do need to know, is if you know anything about the account_ui and account validator stuff
Apr 21 04:18:48 <NuttyBunny> Ok. Will do in about an hour
Apr 21 04:18:58 <EricBlade> i will likely be here still
Apr 21 04:19:50 <NuttyBunny> Ok. But I'll probably point you to the imaccountvalidator files on palm :)
Apr 21 04:20:17 <NuttyBunny> Bank. Freeway
Apr 21 04:20:24 <NuttyBunny> Bbl
Apr 21 04:20:27 <EricBlade> drive safe sir
Apr 21 04:20:37 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny, man.. i missed you :/
Apr 21 04:20:40 <PatrickC> ttyl :)
Apr 21 04:21:09 <PatrickC> who in here remembers "in the coming months"? :)
Apr 21 04:21:31 <EricBlade> in the coming months, i will have another video game credit
Apr 21 04:21:49 <PatrickC> EricBlade, you remember that? right? :)
Apr 21 04:21:51 <PatrickC> from chuq
Apr 21 04:22:09 <EricBlade> well, my direct experience comes from shortly after the fire sale
Apr 21 04:22:15 <PatrickC> aww man
Apr 21 04:22:21 <EricBlade> but i got the gist of it
Apr 21 04:22:42 <PatrickC> that was some of the best times (imo) good memories with the webOS faithful and the infamous Chuq! :)
Apr 21 04:23:17 <invalidopcode> who was Chuq?
Apr 21 04:23:25 <EricBlade> ^^ and what'd i say about android. :(
Apr 21 04:23:33 <invalidopcode> haha
Apr 21 04:24:00 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, aww man... you missed one of the best Palm employees around :(
Apr 21 04:25:23 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, http://www.readwriteweb.com/readwritehire/2009/02/palm-hires-chuq-von-rospach-as.php
Apr 21 04:25:36 <PatrickC> nvm.. bad link
Apr 21 04:25:50 <invalidopcode> page does not exist
Apr 21 04:25:52 <EricBlade> chuq needed a lot more freedom than what he had
Apr 21 04:26:00 <invalidopcode> what did he do?
Apr 21 04:26:07 <EricBlade> and palm needed a lot more money and people than what they had
Apr 21 04:26:28 <PatrickC> http://www.chuqui.com/
Apr 21 04:26:36 <PatrickC> Chuq worked for Apple a while ago
Apr 21 04:26:45 <PatrickC> Chuq von Rospach
Apr 21 04:26:46 <PatrickC> brb
Apr 21 04:26:53 <EricBlade> when i showed up he was head of devrel, i dont' know if he did anything else
Apr 21 04:27:24 <PatrickC> he was in here a lot
Apr 21 04:27:55 <PatrickC> and a friend to all webos devs
Apr 21 04:28:30 <invalidopcode> ah ok
Apr 21 04:28:36 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, u know @webosdev on twitter? that was chuq for the longest time
Apr 21 04:28:36 <invalidopcode> sounds like a really cool guy
Apr 21 04:28:40 <PatrickC> he was
Apr 21 04:28:45 <invalidopcode> ah ok
Apr 21 04:31:34 <EricBlade> i just plugged my touchpad into my pc for the first time since getting wifi novacom working
Apr 21 04:32:13 <invalidopcode> WOAH i just noticed that webos internals retweeted me two days ago :)
Apr 21 04:34:15 <EricBlade> http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5499/weboswtf.jpg
Apr 21 04:35:08 <invalidopcode> hahaha nice
Apr 21 04:36:01 <EricBlade> i had just moved GVoice into the second position and dropped it
Apr 21 04:36:21 <invalidopcode> ah
Apr 21 04:36:44 <EricBlade> for some reason the move around didn't complete
Apr 21 04:36:58 <EricBlade> when i tried to pickup gvoice again, it started dragging the running app around
Apr 21 04:37:39 <EricBlade> so.. i notice only 3 people have downloaded ask500.  that's not surprising since it's in the beta catalog.
Apr 21 04:37:54 <EricBlade> but i need everyone to download it, and click the ads. lol
Apr 21 04:38:37 <invalidopcode> i had a similar glitch this morning, where the unlock thing got stuck on the side of the screen and it was vibrating to the beat of the music i was listening too
Apr 21 04:46:36 <EricBlade> going back to the KeyManager topic, I can't figure out what at all that is useful for
Apr 21 04:47:49 <invalidopcode> what KeyManager is useful for?
Apr 21 04:47:58 <EricBlade> other than that service that palm (used to? / still does?) provide where they would encrypt something into a file that you could include with your app, that would then load it into the database
Apr 21 04:48:19 <EricBlade> however, if someone wants your apikey that bad, they'll just wireshark it
Apr 21 04:48:29 <EricBlade> yeah
Apr 21 04:48:44 <EricBlade> ok, my diablo 3 beta just started up again finally.. so i'm going into the underworld
Apr 21 04:49:22 <invalidopcode> the Keymanager lets you encrypt/decrypt anything you want
Apr 21 04:49:41 <invalidopcode> you just pass the data in the data property to the crypt call
Apr 21 04:50:03 <EricBlade> yeah, but .. what for
Apr 21 04:51:27 <invalidopcode> like encrypting passwords
Apr 21 04:51:45 <invalidopcode> at least that's what i tried to use it for
Apr 21 04:55:37 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, tried to use it for?
Apr 21 04:56:23 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: yup
Apr 21 04:56:31 <PatrickC> which app?
Apr 21 05:00:21 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: my boxcar.io client
Apr 21 05:00:27 <PatrickC> ah
Apr 21 05:01:04 <EricBlade> grrrrrrrr i just killed a big dude, was picking up his loot, and BAM whole pc locked up
Apr 21 05:02:45 <PatrickC> lol
Apr 21 05:02:56 <PatrickC> EricBlade, how does one get in on the beta of this new game? :)
Apr 21 05:03:21 <EricBlade> google diablo 3 beta
Apr 21 05:03:34 <PatrickC> or not :P
Apr 21 05:03:46 <PatrickC> i googled it..
Apr 21 05:03:55 * PatrickC doesn't think its a game for him :P
Apr 21 05:06:46 <invalidopcode> video games are a distraction... must develop to save webOS
Apr 21 05:16:17 <PatrickC> lol
Apr 21 05:16:22 <PatrickC> well, im off to bed
Apr 21 05:16:27 <PatrickC> night all
Apr 21 05:31:51 <invalidopcode> anyone want to donate to the "invalidopcode needs a new laptop so it doesn't randomly reboot" fund? :P
Apr 21 18:42:13 <EricBlade> hmm. so, i'm setting up a new app, have absolutely nothing in it, and the generated thing from the palm-generate isn't working on device
Apr 21 18:43:00 <EricBlade> I get "SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILLEGAL, index.html:2" .. index.html line 2 is <html>
Apr 21 18:44:43 <EricBlade> but it loads in chrome
Apr 21 18:50:23 <invalidopcode> it is clearly stating that writing apps in html is illegal and you must now write them in C
Apr 21 19:01:25 <EricBlade> :(
Apr 21 19:01:45 <EricBlade> i'm trying to filter this service stuff down to the bare metal, and i can't get the app or the service to do anything
Apr 21 19:01:47 <EricBlade> it's like.. wth
Apr 21 19:05:03 <halfhalo> interesting...
Apr 21 19:05:26 <EricBlade> oh yay i finally got the service to respond
Apr 21 19:05:36 <EricBlade> it helps when you tell it to call a service function in a service instead of in an app
Apr 21 19:06:19 <invalidopcode> oh EricBlade I'm trying to get permissions on the webos-internals wiki so I can start moving all your forum posts into a page for reference
Apr 21 19:08:27 <invalidopcode> i'm also going to try to figure out how to get contacts working
Apr 21 19:31:18 <EricBlade> woo i can create an account from the accounts panel now
Apr 21 19:34:03 <invalidopcode> awesome!
Apr 21 19:41:08 <invalidopcode> hey EricBlade maybe for the contacts we could see about pointing them towards the google synergy service because technically it should be the same information right?
Apr 21 19:53:16 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: any idea if there's a service call performed automatically by the system regularly to the messaging services?  my guess is not, since im is probably normally a hard connection
Apr 21 19:53:28 <EricBlade> so it shouldn't need to call it to regularly sync
Apr 21 19:54:55 <invalidopcode> what do you mean? like a keep-alive call?
Apr 21 19:57:56 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: could you send me a message on yahoo messager so i can get a ls-monitor dump
Apr 21 19:58:48 <CallieSink> just checking this out for the first time!...I have a 32g touchpad and hoping to learn from everyone, I consider myself techie but most of what I see is alien as I am not a programmer, anyway Hi guys!
Apr 21 19:59:04 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: umm.. send me a message first i can't find you
Apr 21 19:59:09 <EricBlade> CallieSink: welcome!
Apr 21 19:59:12 <invalidopcode> ok
Apr 21 19:59:23 <invalidopcode> welcome CallieSink!
Apr 21 19:59:55 <CallieSink> thanks Eric and invalid
Apr 21 20:05:56 <destinal> invalidopcode: did you ever get set up to post to the wiki?  I wish we still had it set up for open posting
Apr 21 20:06:55 <invalidopcode> destinal: nope, i didn't. I was hoping you could help me with that. I signed up as invalidopcode
Apr 21 20:06:56 <destinal> invalidopcode: err probably better to discuss in wosi channel, oops
Apr 21 20:15:16 <EricBlade1> hey invalidopcode
Apr 21 20:15:19 <EricBlade1> can you do me afavor?
Apr 21 20:16:00 <invalidopcode> EricBlade1: sure
Apr 21 20:16:02 <EricBlade1> can you figure out a luna-send command to delete all of my imloginstatus objects?
Apr 21 20:16:12 <invalidopcode> sure
Apr 21 20:16:30 <EricBlade1> i know that should be simple, but i'm deep in reorganizing this
Apr 21 20:16:45 <invalidopcode> haha ok, ill look into it
Apr 21 20:25:40 * EricBlade1 hopes you've come up with something
Apr 21 20:26:57 <invalidopcode> EricBlade1: luna-send -n 1 -a com.ericblade.googlevoiceapp.service luna://com.palm.db/del '{"query":{"from":"com.ericblade.googlevoiceapp.loginstate:1"}}'
Apr 21 20:27:10 <invalidopcode> try that
Apr 21 20:28:40 <invalidopcode> sorry that took so long... i was getting a "db: permission denied" for a while because i forgot to add ".service" to the end of the gvoie name
Apr 21 20:28:44 <invalidopcode> *gvoice
Apr 21 20:32:02 <EricBlade1> cool ty
Apr 21 20:32:04 <EricBlade1> grrr..
Apr 21 20:32:36 <EricBlade1> errors in services are difficult to track.  "Loading failed."  why? dunno
Apr 21 20:34:32 <invalidopcode> you must mindmeld and become one with the webos to understand the secrets of services
Apr 21 20:35:50 <EricBlade1> full audit of all brackets found it :|
Apr 21 20:45:31 <EricBlade1> cross fingers
Apr 21 20:48:09 <invalidopcode> haha ok :P
Apr 21 20:50:57 <EricBlade1> ok my service onCreate is never getting called
Apr 21 20:51:55 <invalidopcode> EricBlade1: a week ago you said "(10:27:08 PM) EricBlade: besides things that are largely difficult to get to, obviously such as adding complete Synergy or VoIP support"... and one week later we have a very working synergy plugin
Apr 21 20:53:46 <EricBlade1> lol true
Apr 21 20:54:12 <invalidopcode> im looking through the logs trying the find my luna-send command to insert a message
Apr 21 20:54:15 <EricBlade1> i had really just never even considered that i could inspect the database.  and something you said, i don't remember what, gave me a big clue where to start
Apr 21 20:54:50 <EricBlade1> and now i think i know enough to be able to grep my way through finding anything that's not buried in native
Apr 21 20:55:51 <invalidopcode> haha yeah its been a fun week
Apr 21 20:55:53 <EricBlade1> wth (process:20028): LunaService-DEBUG: Couldn't find category: /onCreate
Apr 21 20:59:41 <invalidopcode> ... why doesn't novaterm have a history command like a normal linux system? :/
Apr 21 21:04:22 <EricBlade1> i think it doesn't recognize the up arrow
Apr 21 21:04:34 <EricBlade1> i really need to get this app up so i can program some buttons to control the service. :|
Apr 21 21:06:45 <EricBlade1> hmm.. i've almost got it implemented, except it's not showing the name of the protocol in the drop down box in messenger
Apr 21 21:07:53 <invalidopcode> ah ok
Apr 21 21:09:27 <EricBlade1> which i can't for the life of me remember what it was i did to fix that
Apr 21 21:09:49 <invalidopcode> serviceName: type_
Apr 21 21:12:20 <invalidopcode> in a the message you sent serviceName: "type_whatever" which is supposed to match the "serviceName": "type_whatever" in the account template
Apr 21 21:15:20 <EricBlade1> yeah i am positive that is correct now
Apr 21 21:17:25 <EricBlade1> ok, well, for my last trick, I think I need DougReeder
Apr 21 21:17:47 <EricBlade1> well my last trick before this template service works
Apr 21 21:17:56 <EricBlade1> minus the bug with the name not showing up
Apr 21 21:18:50 <EricBlade1> i need to know how to trigger a service call on a database watch. i seem to recall reading that activitymanager can do that, but i definitely do not see anything like that in there now
Apr 21 21:19:39 <invalidopcode> ah ok... im not really sure how that would work
Apr 21 21:19:55 <invalidopcode> do you know that the normalizedAddress property is?
Apr 21 21:21:26 <EricBlade1> no i don't
Apr 21 21:21:59 <invalidopcode> because it shows up in some of the from objects
Apr 21 21:28:12 <EricBlade1> ok yeah it is activitymanager
Apr 21 21:51:00 <EricBlade1> jeez this thing is sick
Apr 21 21:51:55 <invalidopcode> sick as in "awesome" or sick as in horrid?
Apr 21 21:54:59 <Merja> hello I just got an ipad and i got the touchpad during the giveaway. I am surprised that the ipad can play pretty much all the online videos without the need for flash while on the touchpad they need flash and aren't as smooth
Apr 21 21:55:04 <Merja> why is that?
Apr 21 22:09:29 <EricBlade1> i don't know of any online videos that my ipad can play
Apr 21 22:09:47 <EricBlade1> invalidopcode: the activity manager service is both sick awesome and sick horrid
Apr 21 22:09:56 <EricBlade1> tons of functionality, can't really figure it out though
Apr 21 22:10:06 <invalidopcode> EricBlade1: ah haha ok cool
Apr 21 22:10:16 <EricBlade1> i'm actually following almost exactly the example for creating an activity, and it's failing
Apr 21 22:10:44 <invalidopcode> ah interesting
Apr 21 22:12:32 <Merja> really? i have a ton of videos that play
Apr 21 22:12:40 <EricBlade1> MojoService: no errorCode supplied query is not defined; innerError: "ReferenceError: query is not defined
Apr 21 22:12:49 <EricBlade1> Merja: from an actual website, or via some app?
Apr 21 22:12:55 <Merja> website
Apr 21 22:13:44 <EricBlade1> i suppose sites that have decided to lock down to serving the iOS stuff HTML5 video using HTTP LiveStreaming would work. I dont' know who's doing that
Apr 21 22:13:53 <EricBlade1> if they are, though, they should also serve that same format to TouchPads
Apr 21 22:14:05 <Merja> so why don't they work on the touchpad
Apr 21 22:14:24 <Merja> don't work when using android either.
Apr 21 22:14:40 <EricBlade1> how about an example?
Apr 21 22:14:45 <Merja> so far i am really impressed with the ipad.
Apr 21 22:15:09 <EricBlade1> if i had to choose between an ipad and anything that wasn't webOS, i'd probably take the ipad
Apr 21 22:15:10 <Merja> video son engadget site
Apr 21 22:15:17 <Merja> i even tried redtube and it worked fine
Apr 21 22:15:59 <Merja> couple of other online videos but didn't take note. Most flash videos I look at are from youtube
Apr 21 22:17:04 <EricBlade1> i don't have much of an answer for you there, but my TouchPad does flash video just as fine as any other device that i've seen - I've never seen flash that worked really well though
Apr 21 22:17:52 <Merja> i find the videos play really smooth with the absence of flash
Apr 21 22:19:25 <EricBlade1> aha, i found it
Apr 21 22:19:30 <EricBlade1> yeah, they do
Apr 21 22:20:02 <EricBlade1> TouchPlayer plays great on the TouchPad, so does Kalemsoft
Apr 21 22:20:08 <Merja> the ipad is slick man. I already put that touchpad on ebay
Apr 21 22:20:29 <EricBlade1> so.. are you here so we can try to talk you out of it? lol
Apr 21 22:20:42 <Merja> It got a little life with android but that's just not working out
Apr 21 22:21:17 <EricBlade1> the ipad is great, if you can live without anything resembling multitasking
Apr 21 22:21:28 <EricBlade1> ok, well, with something that sort of resembles multitasking
Apr 21 22:21:33 <Merja> I was just wondering how the ipad could play wihtout flash but the tp cannot. I still have another tp
Apr 21 22:21:57 <Merja> That's the thing. I think the ipad multitasks just fine
Apr 21 22:22:18 <Merja> I can switch back and forth between apps. I don't see the difference
Apr 21 22:23:03 <Merja> I actually find switching between apps to be much better on the ipad.
Apr 21 22:23:13 <izzy84075> It plays well without flash because sites specifically target Apple products for optimization.
Apr 21 22:24:09 <EricBlade1> Merja: multitasking means that your apps can do things while you're not interacting with them
Apr 21 22:24:24 <Merja> like what?
Apr 21 22:24:53 <EricBlade1> like.. stay connected to IRC while you're typing an email
Apr 21 22:25:29 <Merja> I will try that. It stays connected to msn messenger and other things. On tp you need to keep the card in the background
Apr 21 22:25:31 <EricBlade1> that's the most recent example i can think of that made me want to throw this ipad out the window
Apr 21 22:25:47 <Lumiere> depends on the app
Apr 21 22:26:06 <EricBlade1> soon, we will have all messengers built into the messaging app, I hope ;)
Apr 21 22:26:23 <Merja> I remember hearing that 3 years ago when I got the Palm Pre
Apr 21 22:26:42 <EricBlade1> Merja: yeah, well, i'm doing something about it
Apr 21 22:27:13 <EricBlade1> and i hope that there are other industrious programmers that want to expand their knowledge a little bit and run with the framework i'm creating for it
Apr 21 22:27:26 <invalidopcode> Merja: ipad apps don't multitask, they go into a suspended state in the background iirc
Apr 21 22:27:52 <EricBlade1> yeah almost all ipad apps will shutdown and possibly resume where they left off, if they can figure out where that is, but they might not be able to because they were cleared out of memory
Apr 21 22:28:10 <EricBlade1> skype disconnects you as soon as the display shuts off
Apr 21 22:28:31 <EricBlade1> unless you're on a call
Apr 21 22:28:50 <EricBlade1> on the irc app i have, if you switch apps, and you don't return before the server does a ping timeout, you get thrown off
Apr 21 22:30:09 <EricBlade1> i'm not trying to convince you to stay with webOS, just stating what i feel is the biggest difference
Apr 21 22:30:25 <EricBlade1> i actually rather love the ipads app-switch gestures
Apr 21 22:31:02 <EricBlade1> and i love how smooth it runs 95% of the time
Apr 21 22:31:47 <Merja> invalidopcode: i don't see the difference. i can leave a youtube video playing and do something else so not all apps save state
Apr 21 22:32:19 <invalidopcode> Merja: there's a difference :P
Apr 21 22:32:57 <EricBlade1> if you switch apps while a video is playing in ios, it pauses
Apr 21 22:33:53 <invalidopcode> EricBlade1: i started working on the wiki page http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Synergy_Messaging_Plugins
Apr 21 22:34:12 <invalidopcode> im mainly just paraphrasing stuff from your forum posts
Apr 21 22:34:18 <Merja> irc works fine and stays connected when doing something else
Apr 21 22:35:43 <Merja> even get a pop up if a message is sent so the app stays running and not in save stae
Apr 21 22:41:48 <Merja> this thing multitasks a lot better than Android. I could not leave a youtube video playing with android
Apr 21 22:41:51 <EricBlade1> well, have fun with your ipad
Apr 21 22:42:01 <Merja> yea I think I will. I'm out
Apr 21 22:42:19 <Merja> anyone interested in a used touchpad mint condition
Apr 21 22:43:10 <Merja> not even a scracth on it. I sold it 2 months ago on ebay but then changed my mind. I thought android would be a decent enouhg to get by
Apr 21 22:43:48 <EricBlade1> yeah android pretty much blows
Apr 21 22:44:33 <EricBlade1> if it's got a case and a touchstone, i'd take it for 200
Apr 21 22:44:41 <Merja> and webos does not? you kidding me
Apr 21 22:45:21 <Merja> i already listed it. 220 case, box and everything
Apr 21 22:45:44 <EricBlade1> touchstone?
Apr 21 22:46:28 <EricBlade1> i hate plugging my ithings in
Apr 21 22:47:41 <Merja> I have one did not include it.
Apr 21 22:48:15 <Merja> I still have another touchpad. I will sell that later on before it is completely worthless
Apr 21 22:51:22 <Merja> EricBlade1: I hope you are not wasting your time with the work you are doing. How many people are going to be left?
Apr 21 22:51:55 <EricBlade1> i don't know, but at the moment, my apps make more on webOS than on the other stores
Apr 21 22:52:30 <Merja> hope it lasts
Apr 21 22:52:51 <EricBlade1> well that was fun
Apr 21 22:53:17 <EricBlade1> ok, so, does anyone know of any commands that are useful when dealing with ActivityManager ?
Apr 21 22:53:22 <bnceo> just got word that our baltimore meetup group has no admin. might get shut down =\
Apr 21 23:00:20 <EricBlade1> take it over? don't know if that's an option
Apr 21 23:44:07 <RagingMind> EricBlade1, I don't use google voice, but if you or someone eventually uses this work to make a facebook chat synergy plugin I'd pay for that :)
Apr 21 23:51:07 <EricBlade1> grr i've got to do actual work for a while
Apr 21 23:55:48 <EricBlade1> it looks like a problem with other chats might be a difficult situation with not being able to easily use a persistent connection
Apr 21 23:56:24 <EricBlade1> it looks like the whatsapp guys gave up without finding a solution there
Apr 22 00:44:49 * madnificent finally had his hands on a pre3.  was disappointed by the build quality (in comparison to the veer), the keyboard (in comparison to what i assumed it would be like), but astonished by its superb crisp screen, well thought out shape/feel and responsive interface.
Apr 22 00:52:14 <EricBlade1> i'm not that impressed by it
Apr 22 01:02:08 <EricBlade1> it looks quite nice with the higher resolution display, although very few apps are built for it, presumably because most people want their apps scaled up.  i loved gvoice unscaled, but the majority of my users are like.. wth? it's too damn small
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