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Apr 30 03:20:44 <EricBlade> hmm. pre 2's unlocked going for a hundo these days.  i really hope this move stuff doesn't kill my finances and i can grab another one for a franken operation on my gf's pre-
Apr 30 03:30:45 <destinal> EricBlade: there are pre2's selling for $100?  also, you're moving?  like a long way or within the same city?
Apr 30 03:32:07 <EricBlade> destinal: amazon listing 'em starting at 109.  moving down the road about 5 miles or so
Apr 30 03:33:21 <destinal> ah $109.99 + $6.00shipping  ndoutlet
Apr 30 03:35:07 <destinal> $80, prime fs veers too
Apr 30 03:37:10 <bnceo> I got a black veer and maybe a Pre2 I'm tempted to sell
Apr 30 03:38:44 <EricBlade> seriously thinking about that veer too since i don't have an android phone
Apr 30 03:41:59 <bnceo> let me know. it has some very light use. 2-3 weeks
Apr 30 03:42:50 <EricBlade> there's no difference between the black and the white veers is there?
Apr 30 03:43:08 <bnceo> I think the material for the white is a lil diff than it's black counter part
Apr 30 03:43:22 <halfhalo> yup
Apr 30 03:43:23 <halfhalo> thats it
Apr 30 03:43:29 <halfhalo> black has better coating
Apr 30 03:44:47 <EricBlade> and they work with the regular touchstones right
Apr 30 03:45:06 <bnceo> my friend who I let use the black veer has very big hands. basketball player
Apr 30 03:45:24 <bnceo> and he only needed it till the iphone 5 comes out. traded in two 3GS's for a PS vita
Apr 30 03:45:29 <dkirker> EricBlade: Yup. They work with the regular TouchStones.
Apr 30 03:45:35 <bnceo> anyways, he dared me to use the veer for a week
Apr 30 03:45:53 <bnceo> so that stsrats tomorrow. using my panda one now. GS2 skyrocket is going in the drawer for a few days
Apr 30 03:51:54 <bnceo> any OCing for the Veer?
Apr 30 03:54:38 <EricBlade> hmm. is the warranty on touchpad touchstones 1 year or 90 days .. though i think i'm good either way, i don't think i exactly have my proof of purchase around
Apr 30 04:02:13 <EricBlade> bnceo: catch me via an instant messenger (you name it) or email at blade.eric@gmail.com and i'll try to let you know if buying a veer is something i'll still be wanting to do in a week or so ?
Apr 30 04:02:31 <bnceo> EricBlade: you can just PM me here
Apr 30 04:02:34 <bnceo> always idling
Apr 30 04:02:41 <EricBlade> dkirker: anything move forward on the SIP ?
Apr 30 04:02:51 <EricBlade> bnceo: i can never remember who i'm looking for on irc though haha
Apr 30 04:02:53 <dkirker> haven't had a chance to look at it, yet
Apr 30 04:03:07 <bnceo> lol
Apr 30 04:33:16 <EricBlade> dkirker:  (or anyone else) would you happen to know if we can open a Bluetooth SPP channel between a paired Pre and a TouchPad ?
Apr 30 04:33:33 <dkirker> I would imagine so
Apr 30 04:33:36 <dkirker> Yeah
Apr 30 04:33:43 <dkirker> MetaView does it with his GPS stuff
Apr 30 04:34:09 <EricBlade> oh yeah
Apr 30 04:34:16 <EricBlade> i wonder if it loses any other functions while that's working though
Apr 30 04:35:32 <EricBlade> i nearly lost my touchpad today, so i'm thinking about a service that will link the pre to the touchpad and start screaming if they are out of range of each other
Apr 30 04:38:37 <invalidopcode> I must say that the #webos community is much more helpful than many other irc communities
Apr 30 04:39:51 <invalidopcode> its like pulling teeth to try to get help over at #jquery or #pocoo
Apr 30 04:41:16 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: try the gstreamer people
Apr 30 04:43:12 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: haha its funny... its like sometimes the more people in a channel, the less people are willing to help
Apr 30 04:43:32 <EricBlade> it was actually pretty neat that i was able to locate my touchpad because i knew it hadn't left the general area of where i was yet, i just couldn't see it, and i saw my Pre was still bluetoothed, so I made a call and told it to use the touchpad as audio
Apr 30 04:43:55 <halfhalo> lol
Apr 30 04:44:42 <EricBlade> one of the place i was at's employees had picked it up (not maliciously, i'd left it sitting on a table, thinking my gf had it), and she was facing away from me, she just about jumped out of her skin when the touchpad started talking
Apr 30 04:45:20 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: I've done that before at school when one of my friends "borrowed" my touchpad.... scared the heck out of them because I called it during class :P
Apr 30 04:45:41 <EricBlade> i thought you didn't have calling on it o.O
Apr 30 04:48:33 <invalidopcode> ha ha ha :P I have it setup a bluetooth handset so I actually see when people call my phone :P
Apr 30 04:55:00 <destinal> EricBlade, dkirker: SIP?
Apr 30 05:00:09 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: i am so confused then
Apr 30 05:00:44 <EricBlade> destinal: dkirker said he wanted to do some work with sip calling, and i had the part that makes a call working, so i gave him that, and some thoughts i had on making the audio side work
Apr 30 05:07:02 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: when you mentioned about calling the other day, I forgot about calling from the touchpad. I call from the touchpad through my phone
Apr 30 05:33:58 <destinal> EricBlade: binary plugin thing?
Apr 30 05:35:57 <EricBlade> destinal: javascript
Apr 30 05:36:36 <EricBlade> i'm starting to think that there's nothing we can't do in javascript other than direct hardware access and things that the app catalog won't allow
Apr 30 05:37:00 * invalidopcode thinks EricBlade is going to the dark side
Apr 30 05:37:08 <EricBlade> what?
Apr 30 05:37:16 <EricBlade> which dark side?
Apr 30 05:37:32 <invalidopcode> the dark side which believed that javascript is the answer to everything
Apr 30 05:38:43 <EricBlade> the dark side has cookies
Apr 30 05:39:36 <EricBlade> i certainly like javascript a lot better than C++ and C#
Apr 30 05:39:45 <EricBlade> and .. uh.. Objective C. *shudder*
Apr 30 05:40:00 <invalidopcode> ObjO is just plain ugly
Apr 30 05:40:04 <invalidopcode> *ObjC
Apr 30 05:40:16 * invalidopcode still prefers C++
Apr 30 05:40:37 <invalidopcode> idk, javascript just still feels underpowered to me
Apr 30 05:41:30 <EricBlade> palm gives it power
Apr 30 05:44:11 <invalidopcode> haha
Apr 30 05:45:02 <EricBlade> i think an answer to some speed issues would be correctly using the service/app architecture, at least on multiple core webos devices, to achieve a proper implementation where the core that is running UI does very little work, and everything else is offloaded to a service.
Apr 30 05:45:29 <EricBlade> might even have an effect on single core things too
Apr 30 05:46:30 <invalidopcode> yeah kindof like Background worker threads in C#/whatever else?
Apr 30 05:46:48 <EricBlade> exactly.
Apr 30 05:46:56 <EricBlade> the only problem, is that it becomes much less portable that way
Apr 30 05:47:43 <JunJi_> EricBlade: how?
Apr 30 05:48:48 <EricBlade> I don't know of any other mobile operating systems that use Node to run background operations
Apr 30 05:50:33 <JunJi_> so you mean using Node makes it less portable because it needs more resources but most portable devices are not better than PC?
Apr 30 05:51:03 <EricBlade> no, it's less portable because of there not being Node running on other devices
Apr 30 05:52:31 <JunJi_> hmm, i thought the Node means the Node as Node.js
Apr 30 05:53:06 <EricBlade> yes
Apr 30 05:53:43 <EricBlade> if another platform doesn't use Node.js, it's not possible to run Node.js dependent things on it
Apr 30 05:54:32 <JunJi_> EricBlade: ah understand.
Apr 30 05:55:08 <EricBlade> omg my gf just found a digital camera that uses floppy disks
Apr 30 05:55:46 <JunJi_> awesome what brand is that
Apr 30 05:57:18 <JunJi_> if it says i can't change my nickname cause I was banned (but I don't know if i was), do I really have to get out and come in? I wanna cut off the underbar appended at the end
Apr 30 05:57:46 <JunJi_> i saw many people just changed in the channel
Apr 30 06:00:41 <EricBlade> it was a sony
Apr 30 06:06:17 <EricBlade> likely there was some channel that wouldn't allow you to change nicknames to a non-registered name
Apr 30 07:23:17 <destinal> EricBlade: SIP in javascript, wow
Apr 30 07:23:35 <EricBlade> destinal: SIP is a lot like http
Apr 30 07:23:42 <JunJi> just found that my webos tablet doesn't support WebGL
Apr 30 07:23:58 <EricBlade> JunJi: that's not exactly surprising -- only PlayBook does
Apr 30 07:24:04 <EricBlade> and not very well
Apr 30 07:24:09 <JunJi> ah
Apr 30 07:25:04 <EricBlade> I applaud the playbook software guys for keeping a super awesome version of webkit, they've even committed to having stuff that even Chrome has barely implemented, but their hardware is .. suck.
Apr 30 07:25:29 <JunJi> haha
Apr 30 07:26:49 <JunJi> if it would be implemnted on the open webOS source when it's released, will it be hard? how do you think?
Apr 30 07:27:45 <EricBlade> I believe it's supported in Isis, though don't quote me on that as a sure thing
Apr 30 07:28:35 <EricBlade> The 3d hardware on TouchPad is quite decent, it's not top of the line, not even for the time period that it came out, but it's quite decent compared to a -lot- of the other tabs out there
Apr 30 07:29:16 <EricBlade> so if open webOS has decent touchpad hardware acceleration, i think it would most likely depend on webkit's implementation of webgl
Apr 30 07:29:46 <EricBlade> wow.  93 sales of my apps for playbook for this month
Apr 30 07:29:57 <JunJi> congulatulation
Apr 30 07:30:02 <EricBlade> that's at least 50% or less than webos
Apr 30 07:31:14 <EricBlade> they wanted me to go to blackberry jam and do a presentation on my app
Apr 30 07:31:15 <EricBlade> lol
Apr 30 07:31:58 <JunJi> and you'll be paid?
Apr 30 07:32:04 <EricBlade> it'd take me 3 months of sales on their platform just to cover the plane ticket
Apr 30 07:33:16 <destinal> EricBlade: unless showing up there to present sold a lot more copies :)
Apr 30 07:33:56 <EricBlade> i need to implement the last feature in the playbook version so  i can complete my promise to keep the price low until i completed it, and crank the price up
Apr 30 07:34:12 <JunJi> if the Isis that we can get from https://github.com/isis-project/isis-project.git supports webgl already now, is it because the touchpad doesn't have enough hardware spec? so it's not running webgl now?
Apr 30 07:34:32 <EricBlade> isis is not hte browser in webos 3.0.5
Apr 30 07:34:37 <EricBlade> it's the browser in open webos
Apr 30 07:34:53 <destinal> EricBlade: sounds like it doesn't yet work in isis
Apr 30 07:35:02 <destinal> https://github.com/isis-project/isis-project/pull/2
Apr 30 07:35:13 <JunJi> I tested the source from the URL on other OS, but it didn't work for webgl too
Apr 30 07:35:47 <EricBlade> ah. looks like there will need to be some work done on BrowserServer to get it working
Apr 30 07:35:58 <EricBlade> in webOS proper
Apr 30 07:37:26 <EricBlade> i'll use my android and playbook income to pay the taxes on my webos income :)
Apr 30 07:38:08 <JunJi> cool, i didn't know you get more from webos than android
Apr 30 07:39:08 <EricBlade> from what i've seen, android users really don't like to buy pay-for apps, and there's virtually no way to discover apps that don't make the top 500 lists
Apr 30 07:39:55 <EricBlade> I worked on Dungeon Defenders, and unit sales on Android for it were .. dismal until we made it free
Apr 30 07:42:42 <JunJi> ha
Apr 30 07:44:15 <destinal> EricBlade: seems like all the money's still in iOS.  but iOS phonegap enyo apps, they might be an easy way to leverage cross platform
Apr 30 07:46:32 <EricBlade> looks like the 93 playbook app sales are about 40% of my webos unit sales, and i make a lesser amount of money on them
Apr 30 07:47:17 <destinal> EricBlade: RIM takes a larger cut?
Apr 30 07:47:53 <EricBlade> if you specify a price of "1.99" that's the maximum price, they sell it for less in other places, based on "relative purchasing power"
Apr 30 07:48:25 <EricBlade> i have to step out and get some more boxes for my move .. bbl
Apr 30 13:18:07 <summatusmentis> anyone using a Google Apps email account? I recently started being told I needed to check my login and password, but they're correct
Apr 30 13:18:27 <summatusmentis> when I try to re-login (2.2.4, franken-pre2), I just get "Unknown error".
Apr 30 15:33:37 <EricBlade> hmm. the XO demo received a blank review recently from a user named "Sales Trainer Demo Device".
Apr 30 17:35:33 * DougReeder waves hello
Apr 30 19:03:40 <dwc-> summatusmentis: I get that periodically with gmail apps accounts, not just from webos
Apr 30 19:04:08 <dwc-> auth just fails sometimes, (It used to happen to me a lot when I was using thunderbird connected to imap)
Apr 30 19:04:16 <summatusmentis> dwc-: has it started recently? I don't normally have this issue otherwise
Apr 30 19:04:21 <summatusmentis> mine's been going on for days
Apr 30 19:06:07 <dwc-> no, I used to have this problem ~3 years ago
Apr 30 19:06:23 <dwc-> re: webos, I woudl say, try putting in the wrong password first and see if it gives you a different error
Apr 30 19:06:43 <dwc-> also, afaict, webos stores the password for each service separately
Apr 30 19:07:13 <dwc-> based on some people seeming to have to enter gmail passwords multiple times
Apr 30 19:07:54 <summatusmentis> guh
Apr 30 20:01:35 <EricBlade> http://www.zagg.com/personalize/zaggskins/design/death--despair.php
Apr 30 20:01:39 <EricBlade> i kind of want that for my touchpad
Apr 30 20:01:48 <EricBlade> i wonder how it would react to touchstone though
Apr 30 20:02:33 <EricBlade> dwc-: summatusmentis: i re-entered my credentials today, and my accounst that said they were failing worked now
Apr 30 20:06:29 <RagingMind> EricBlade, I have a carbon fiber backing thing for my touchpad and it works just fine on the touchstone
Apr 30 20:06:56 <EricBlade> i wish i could justify spending $70 for that though
Apr 30 20:07:16 <EricBlade> i don't think i can write that one off as an expense, unless it just comes on the receipt as "screen protector"
Apr 30 20:49:05 <EricBlade> heh. our son was listening to pandora on my touchpad, and it briefly sputtered, and he said "this ipad sucks" and i said "it's not an ipad, apologize to it", he said "No." and it rebooted.
Apr 30 21:10:03 <destinal> EricBlade: lmao
Apr 30 22:04:35 <riskish> anyone interested in buying an app that gets about 1 sale per day (havent done any marketing)
Apr 30 22:12:07 <destinal> riskish: you mean you're trying to sell rights to it?
Apr 30 22:13:58 <riskish> yeah i guess, just sell it in general, as i dont have interest in working on it anymore and could use a few extrA bucks
Apr 30 22:20:27 <dwc-> what app?
Apr 30 22:52:51 <Tibfib_> hmm do I sell my extra touchpad or keep it for 20 years
Apr 30 22:56:06 <riskish> i sold my extra one i got in the firesale
Apr 30 23:02:22 <Tibfib_> yeah that's where I got mine...
Apr 30 23:02:24 <Tibfib_> still unopened
Apr 30 23:12:03 <dkirker> Tibfib_: Keep it for 20 years. :P
Apr 30 23:12:33 <dkirker> Then it will be like an unopened Macintosh 128K.
Apr 30 23:37:29 <ka6sox> hiya cwayne
Apr 30 23:37:42 <cwayne> hey ka6sox, hows it goin?
Apr 30 23:37:52 <ka6sox> pretty good...
Apr 30 23:38:01 <ka6sox> about to roll out things with Essex :D
May 01 00:18:06 <cwayne> ka6sox: niice :)
May 01 00:24:36 <PatrickC> hey all
May 01 00:25:12 <PatrickC> cwayne, yo
May 01 00:26:31 <invalidopcode> hey PatrickC how did the meetup go?
May 01 00:26:40 <PatrickC> it went amazingly
May 01 00:27:07 <invalidopcode> awesome!
May 01 01:28:03 <EricBlade> wow my question about which synergy connectors are allowed via the catalog got answered by a HP guy, making his first post on the dev forums
May 01 01:30:10 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: what did he say?
May 01 01:31:57 <destinal> EricBlade: link?
May 01 01:33:44 <EricBlade> he said email, messaging, calendar, contacts are the ones that are whitelisted, all other capabilities are not
May 01 01:35:34 <invalidopcode> ok awesome
May 01 01:35:53 <invalidopcode> so no phone? :/
May 01 01:37:23 * invalidopcode brb
May 01 01:41:36 <EricBlade> yay my first free app http://promoc.de/com.ericblade.ask500
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