**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 09 02:59:59 2012
May 09 03:19:26 <EricBlade> hmm. our kids are all jealous of our cell phones that never need to be plugged in
May 09 06:04:12 <EricBlade> argh, i can't tweet
May 09 06:04:47 <EricBlade> dkirker: i'm going to have to roll my own https and other node module supports to make gvoice synergy work on phones :(
May 09 06:05:53 <EricBlade> agggh tweetdeck is down
May 09 06:06:03 <dkirker> hmmmm, I was starting a service, but I forgot how to get around the issues...
May 09 06:06:08 <dkirker> or did I stop?
May 09 06:07:20 <EricBlade> i already have a sort-of-working https module that uses curl, for the phones, but all the pre-rolled google login and google voice stuff that i've got requires 0.4+
May 09 06:08:57 <dkirker> hmmm
May 09 06:08:57 <dkirker> m
May 09 06:08:57 <dkirker> ay
May 09 06:08:58 <dkirker> be
May 09 06:08:58 <dkirker>  I
May 09 06:08:58 <dkirker>  
May 09 06:09:03 <dkirker> Arg!
May 09 06:09:08 <dkirker> Maybe I hadn't gotten that far...
May 09 06:09:35 <PatrickC> hey dkirker and EricBlade
May 09 06:10:10 <dkirker> no, I did get login working
May 09 06:10:23 <PatrickC> login? lol
May 09 06:10:33 <dkirker> huh?
May 09 06:10:35 <EricBlade> i sent you my curl https, it's probably a nightmare to someone who knows what they're doing though
May 09 06:10:39 <PatrickC> (01:10:10 AM) dkirker: no, I did get login working
May 09 06:10:54 <dkirker> PatrickC: Read the rest of the chat...
May 09 06:11:04 <dkirker> EricBlade: I was using AjaxCall
May 09 06:11:11 <dkirker> but that might have limits
May 09 06:11:21 <EricBlade> it doesn't work with https
May 09 06:11:30 <dkirker> Are you sure?
May 09 06:11:44 <dkirker> I believe that I had it working.
May 09 06:12:09 <EricBlade> well unless Ben's been instructing us wrong, he said the only way to do https on phones is via curl
May 09 06:12:23 <dkirker> hmmmm
May 09 06:12:35 <EricBlade> and although Ben can sometimes be hard to get information out of, i've never known him to be actually wrong :D
May 09 06:12:43 <PatrickC> lol
May 09 06:12:48 <PatrickC> Ben is awesome
May 09 06:12:57 * PatrickC brb
May 09 06:13:10 <dkirker> I'm pretty sure that I have tried this code. And it worked.
May 09 06:14:04 <dkirker> I do believe that AjaxCall uses the Ajax engine in WebKit, which does use cURL.
May 09 06:14:20 <dkirker> As opposed to a node https module which bypasses WebKit altogether.
May 09 06:15:35 <EricBlade> well that would be interesting. i could then write something that works like WebService, and just drag in my current code.  except i think i'd need jsdom which doesn't work in 0.2 either
May 09 06:16:21 <EricBlade> oh well, i'm stumped on the database stuff at the moment, it's quite baffling that there's no OR in db8 nor is there any way to do unique items
May 09 06:17:06 <EricBlade> i'm about ready to do "things i learned not to do in any other language", such as 'select an entire database and parse it in script'
May 09 06:18:20 <PatrickC> time to reboot back to windows sadly
May 09 06:28:57 <dkirker> EricBlade: ...
May 09 06:28:59 <dkirker> No
May 09 06:29:18 <EricBlade> no. bad Eric.
May 09 06:41:03 <PatrickC> lol
May 09 06:45:25 <EricBlade> suggestions are welcome
May 09 06:46:19 <PatrickC> I lost the rest of the convo in my reboot.. was lol'ing at the "<EricBlade> [07:26:36] no. bad Eric."
May 09 06:46:20 <EricBlade> it looks like the palm people do what i tried, which is fire off a bunch of db queries, make a list of what passed/failed, and insert the set that remains
May 09 07:33:23 <dkirker> hi Adora!
May 09 07:34:17 <EricBlade> dkirker: you proficient in futures?
May 09 07:35:12 <EricBlade> i am not especially, but i just followed the example in the docs .. http://pastebin.com/0E7tqTfa
May 09 07:35:37 <EricBlade> it pulls 4 different things out of the keymanager, and then creates a google voice login from it
May 09 07:36:19 <EricBlade> however, it is giving me a race condition on the last one -- sometimes the future returns before the password is retrieved, which blows eveyrthing all to hell, other times it works fine
May 09 11:49:36 <iMarck90> Hi
May 09 15:25:41 <bigbluehat> anyone seen swisstomcat recently?
May 09 16:53:00 <PatrickC> Adora!
May 09 16:56:09 <PatrickC> cwayne, ping?
May 09 17:01:52 <cwayne> PatrickC: whats up
May 09 18:56:17 <ka6sox> Roy-Pre101, ping?
May 09 19:16:01 <EricBlade> anyone, ping?
May 09 19:31:30 <PatrickC> EricBlade, ping
May 09 19:31:45 <EricBlade> ow that hurt
May 09 19:31:59 <anyone> what did?
May 09 19:32:07 <anyone> "-NickServ- You have 30 seconds to identify to your nickname before it is changed."
May 09 19:34:47 <EricBlade> ok, one race condition away from alpha synergy gvoice
May 09 19:35:02 <EricBlade> i think
May 09 19:36:53 <PatrickC> racist! :P
May 09 19:36:57 <PatrickC> lol
May 09 19:38:02 <EricBlade> :(
May 09 19:39:11 * PatrickC was kidding
May 09 19:39:27 <PatrickC> EricBlade, im really happy, can't wait to use it! :)
May 09 19:42:15 <EricBlade> i need to get this race condition that is causing the service to freak out fixed, then get it to mark messages as read on the server when it retrieves them
May 09 19:43:40 <EricBlade> then it should just be a matter of getting contacts in and figuring out how to deal with non-texts
May 09 21:35:53 <EricBlade> halfhalo: are you using pidgin?
May 09 21:37:20 <92AAAWB87> hmm
May 09 22:03:16 <fxspec06_> hmm
May 09 22:03:40 <fxspec06_> i'm using pidgin. but not for irc.
May 09 22:10:24 <Shadyman> I'm on pidgin for IRC
May 09 22:28:05 <PatrickC> i use xchat
May 09 22:45:45 <PatrickC> dkirker, ping?
May 09 23:19:52 <klh> okay, so I bought a used pixi plus, set my lang... get to the palm profile setup and I hit the login instead of create profile button
May 09 23:19:59 <klh> is there a way to get back?
May 09 23:22:07 <PatrickC> backswipe
May 09 23:23:58 <klh> backswipe?
May 09 23:25:55 <klh> Im searching
May 09 23:26:44 <halfhalo> under the screen where the light bar is is a touch sensitive area.  a back swipe is going from the middle of the strip to the left side of the phone.
May 09 23:27:12 <klh> oh
May 09 23:27:18 <klh> I love you
May 09 23:27:20 <klh> :D
May 09 23:33:15 <Manners> Seems like nothing but crap has been coming out for webos
May 09 23:34:12 <riskish> anyone want to buy fartpad touchpad app? it's making 1 sale every two days at .99, I did zero marketing just published it. i'm sure a few blog posts/marketing could give it a good start
May 09 23:38:57 <Manners> Stupid Hp . Tried to sell the tp for same price as the iPad . What were they thinking
May 09 23:46:03 <Manners> Channel dead too ?
May 09 23:50:32 <fxspec06_> ?
May 10 00:00:36 <madnificent> Manners: tbh it was a sane choice.  they should have realized that it wouldn't actually sell that much, but any competitor to apple should know that it takes a few years to git a consumer base to want your product.  especially if you don't have a charismatic leader // ecosystem.
May 10 00:01:01 <madnificent> Manners: and in fact, Hurd knew that, as was leaked.
May 10 00:02:45 <Manners> I think Hurd was a smart guy . He probably wouldn't have released the touchpad in the first place. The thing runs like a turtle
May 10 00:03:07 <madnificent> Manners: from all i've heard of it, it doesn't.  something must be off.
May 10 00:03:38 <Manners> At least have a good product before releasing it
May 10 00:03:43 * madnificent would've bought one if he could've done so in the past.  now moneyz no be here.
May 10 00:04:38 <madnificent> it all didn't matter.  no matter how good the TP was, not many people were going to buy it in the first few years.  sorry, that's just the way it was going to play out.
May 10 00:04:42 <Manners> The touchpad is really slow at performing tasks.
May 10 00:04:54 <Manners> And he software feels like beta
May 10 00:05:16 <Manners> I'm not mad though. It introduced me to ablest at a cheap price
May 10 00:05:31 <Manners> Tablets
May 10 00:05:32 * madnificent doesn't know
May 10 00:06:24 <Manners> I just bought the iPad to replace it.
May 10 00:07:14 <madnificent> i disliked some of their design choices/decisions and i think they could have done a way better job, given what we know webos is.  but still, apple can get much better hardware at a lower cost, so it makes sense that the touchpad isn't fully on par.  it probably also got pushed out too late, as that's what palm had done since they started announcing things.
May 10 00:07:49 <madnificent> send the TP to me for shipping costs?  (rediculously friendly smiley follows here)
May 10 00:08:32 <Manners> I sold kit on eBay. I have another one at home that I got for my girl but she never uses it and don't want me to sell it
May 10 00:11:03 <madnificent> riskish: yay, that means your fart app is as popular as my awesome webos getting things done app.  where has the world gone to?!
May 10 00:12:34 <madnificent> Manners: also, i'm impressed by how much work the Enyo team is still doing on this platform.  Since looking at Enyo2 a bit more in depth and taking into account the development itself, i'm impressed.  i would have assumed webos to be buried by now, but that is far from the case.
May 10 00:12:56 <riskish> madnificent: lol yeah. i built it for fun when i got a touchpad in the firesale, just want to unload it i guess
May 10 00:12:59 <madnificent> Manners: if you're intersted in reviving it as a community effort, wait for the mozilla phones and start pushing for webos on that.
May 10 00:13:31 <madnificent> riskish: tasks@hand isn't built for the touchpad though, at the rate it was selling, i couldn't justify the effort
May 10 00:13:51 <madnificent> hell, i can't even find open source devs to take over the project, and it's not like it's a bad phone application, it's rather sweet.
May 10 00:13:57 <madnificent> (not pretty, efficient)
May 10 00:13:59 <Manners> Nah. I had a palm per in th past. I liked it at first then hated it.
May 10 00:15:26 <madnificent> Manners: no offense, but you seem like the people coming into #lisp complaining about how bad the world is untill they get kicked off b/c people realize they're just trolling.  not sure if it'll end up that way, but i think i'm done caring about your emo comments (in case you'd start caring why people don't respond to you).
May 10 00:15:49 <Manners> If they can get I to perform like other platforms without all the bugs then it would be interesting. Also get some quality apps
May 10 00:16:46 <Manners> Yea ok. Just bored in class and webos crossed my mind
May 10 00:17:58 <madnificent> enyojs.com, follow the tutorial.  it's prefect for class use!  and check out phone gap while you're at it.  you can be the one making those great apps!
May 10 00:19:08 <Manners> Wouldn't want to waste my time at this point
May 10 00:20:14 <madnificent> you can run your apps on your iPad as well
May 10 00:22:05 <Manners> I am not a fan of enyo and have not looked into development much
May 10 00:22:24 <madnificent> <3 ignore
May 10 00:23:33 <Manners> I wonder what apps you have in the catalog
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