**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 16 03:00:01 2012
May 16 04:22:43 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: its good. No atomic meltdowns or anything...yet
May 16 04:25:13 <EricBlade> weird. mine melts down every day. at least once
May 16 04:25:58 <invalidopcode> you might want to have that looked at
May 16 04:27:49 <invalidopcode> oooo GVoice update availible
May 16 04:51:35 <EricBlade1> invalidopcode: every morning when I get up, I come downstairs, grab my TouchPad, and all the google voice contacts and conversations are gone
May 16 04:52:29 <invalidopcode> EricBlade1: really?
May 16 04:52:43 <EricBlade1> yeah, really.
May 16 04:52:44 * invalidopcode can't tell if you are being sarcastic
May 16 04:53:13 <invalidopcode> well it seems to be working well for me
May 16 04:53:32 <EricBlade1> oh, btw, i did do some improvement on the matching - adding emails and phone numbers helps quite a bit.  although the linker won't link two things that have the same phone number, if the phone numbers are listed as different types
May 16 04:54:33 <invalidopcode> ah okay
May 16 04:58:16 <EricBlade1> which kind of sucks because i had a lot of contacts that had their number from another service as "Other" or something, but google had them listed as "Mobile"
May 16 04:58:28 <EricBlade1> i ended up sending over 2 hrs last night cleaning my webOS contacts
May 16 04:58:32 <EricBlade1> *spending
May 16 04:59:08 <invalidopcode> ah sounds like to much fun :/
May 16 05:05:43 <EricBlade1> reminded me there's a lot of people i need to ping that i haven't talked to in a long time
May 16 05:06:20 <EricBlade1> i have no clue what's causing my contacts/threads to disappear though.  last night, it was just the conversations, the contacts remained, except for one
May 16 05:06:56 <invalidopcode> hm... interesting. I haven't noticed that with mine yet
May 16 05:09:54 <EricBlade1> i also discovered that you can use the webos contacts list to discover who has unfriended you on facebook
May 16 05:10:10 <invalidopcode> hahaha how?
May 16 05:11:10 <EricBlade1> as i was flipping through them, i noticed that i was missing facebook listings for some people .. but webOS had captured their emails
May 16 05:11:55 <EricBlade1> here's a weird one i notice now -- My daughter is listed with a webOS account o.O
May 16 05:12:42 <EricBlade1> oh that might be because i edited information on her skype id
May 16 05:12:51 <invalidopcode> ah haha ok
May 16 05:13:21 <invalidopcode> I have this userscript on facebook that tells me when people unfriend me or disable their profile
May 16 05:18:53 <EricBlade1> i just don't even know what to do with this now, that it pretty much works. :D
May 16 05:19:09 <EricBlade1> ship it, done?
May 16 05:19:59 <invalidopcode> haha make sure to add a "Beta" tag to make it legit :P
May 16 05:31:57 <invalidopcode> EricBlade1: what's new in the update you just emailed me?
May 16 05:33:18 <EricBlade1> basically just the improved contact matching
May 16 05:33:51 <invalidopcode> ok
May 16 05:34:19 <EricBlade1> that'll only show up if you disable/re-enable, which will also have the side effect of deleting/re-creating anything that it had
May 16 05:36:48 <EricBlade1> haven't managed to fix the problem where the contact sync won't fire on it's own, unless something else has happened with the service in the prior 30 seconds
May 16 05:37:49 <invalidopcode> you could make it fire when it receives a message from a number it doesn't currently know
May 16 05:40:24 <invalidopcode> ah that worked much better
May 16 05:41:11 <invalidopcode> yeah so the only thing that still bugs me is that it doesn't show already sent messages, but I know you've been having problems with that
May 16 05:44:57 <invalidopcode> oh joy.... Boxcar is down again
May 16 05:45:58 <EricBlade1> for small numbers of contacts, that's probably fine - my 80 takes almost no time to download them
May 16 05:46:11 <EricBlade1> my playbook user (just as an example) with 1k+ might have problems with that though
May 16 05:48:23 <invalidopcode> ? I mean just the like the first page of conversations
May 16 05:48:42 <invalidopcode> and just specify the "read" flag as true for most of them
May 16 05:51:03 <invalidopcode> hm... so I guess thunderbird doesn't like moving 1000+ messages at a time
May 16 05:54:03 <EricBlade1> oh, i thought you meant contacts
May 16 05:54:18 <EricBlade1> we were talking about contacts
May 16 05:54:26 <EricBlade1> o.O
May 16 05:59:36 <EricBlade1> i should probably consider extra functionality that could be put into the application, removing the test dummy
May 16 06:01:10 <invalidopcode> oh oops sorry :P
May 16 06:01:33 <invalidopcode> you could make it into a settings page
May 16 06:01:44 <invalidopcode> for refresh times etc
May 16 06:02:05 <invalidopcode> okay I'm off to bed. talk to you tomorrow
May 16 06:02:48 <EricBlade1> oh yeah i also need to start figuring out what to do with things like voicemail, missed calls, recorded calls, etc
May 16 06:03:32 <EricBlade1> and i'd like to hook up that Boxcar, except i can't seem to figure out how to get an api key
May 16 14:52:36 <RagingMind> I kinda fell while riding my bike.  The casualties were the skin on my elbow and the back/slider of my pre+ :(
May 16 16:04:39 <EricBlade> RagingMind: well on the bright side, pre backs are super cheap
May 16 16:13:15 <dwc-> even the touchstonified ones
May 16 16:21:18 <RagingMind> Yeah, but it's still working so I'm more worried about the slider mechanism
May 16 16:21:26 <RagingMind> it's making bad noises
May 16 16:41:56 <lemonade`> when the docs say you can run apps on the desktop or on the device, that means you run the app in an emulator on the desktop, right?
May 16 16:43:02 <lemonade`> also, it'd be nice if you could test opengl pdk apps on the desktop on computers that only run opengl 1.4, not 2.0, if the app uses features common to both
May 16 16:54:35 <EricBlade> lemonade`: opengl 2.0 is .. 8 years old o.O
May 16 16:54:49 <lemonade`> tell my computer that
May 16 16:54:51 <lemonade`> :p
May 16 16:54:54 <EricBlade> i guess that's probably only 2 years in Intel's terms
May 16 16:56:20 <EricBlade> and yes, you generally can run apps on the desktop.  with modern Enyo web apps, you can often run them straight in a desktop web browser
May 16 16:58:02 <lemonade`> pdk too?
May 16 16:58:10 <lemonade`> (opengl and all that)
May 16 16:59:59 <lemonade`> I might just try writing an opengl 2.0 lib that does nothing but call the 1.4 libs :D
May 16 18:41:57 <EricBlade> lemonade`: no pdk you'll need to build them for the emulator
May 16 18:42:17 <lemonade`> :( thanks
May 16 18:42:26 <EricBlade> and now you know everything i know about that topic -- i'd love to do some native stuff but i haven't figured that out in the slightest
May 16 21:15:13 <klh50> how in the world do I close a "card"
May 16 21:16:54 <Lumiere> swipe it up
May 16 21:16:58 <klh50> touch & up flick
May 16 21:17:07 <klh50> how to disable data
May 16 21:17:48 <Lumiere> klh50: there are docs (and airplane mode is upper right -> airplane mode
May 16 21:35:15 <dwc-> phone prefs
May 16 21:45:12 <klh50> does the app catalog work over wifi?
May 16 21:45:31 <dwc-> yes
May 16 21:48:03 <klh50> just see a pulsating palm shopping bag img
May 16 23:39:42 <klh> is this loading in the app store for anyone else http://is.gd/czGqAz https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.youversion.palm
May 16 23:52:50 <klh> seems i need impostah... I dont know why as it's sposed to work with pre+
May 16 23:58:10 <klh> simple bible works offline too...
May 17 00:10:55 <madnificent> is there anyone with *any* experience getting an enyo2 app on a webos phone?  I've successfully built it, i can now run it in the browser locally and all that's just fine.  now i'm wondering: what should i do to get it on my phone as an application.  i know this should be trivial if you've done something with enyo1.x, but i haven't
May 17 00:11:01 <madnificent> *any* help is appreciated!
May 17 00:11:50 <madnificent> klh: i can watch the shortened link you gave me in the browser, does that answer your question?
May 17 00:11:59 <invalidopcode> madnificent: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/pdk/creating-an-application-package.html?
May 17 00:12:25 <invalidopcode> wait... wrong link
May 17 00:12:40 <madnificent> ah, i was just opening it.  but a link of that sorts will probably help me :D
May 17 00:12:50 <klh> madnificent I read in webosnation forum some dude had same problem, suggested he install impostah
May 17 00:13:41 <invalidopcode> madnificent: yeah that link is for PDK apps but it could be helpful...
May 17 00:14:06 <madnificent> invalidopcode: not sure where to report this, but it's a tad off to me why i couldn't find it on enyojs.com
May 17 00:14:35 <invalidopcode> i think enyojs is dedicated to just the javascript framework, not the webos ties
May 17 00:15:00 <invalidopcode> if you are looking for webos information here's the place: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide.html
May 17 00:15:16 <invalidopcode> as stated in the topic :)
May 17 00:15:49 <klh> gotta convert 800+ songs to .mp3
May 17 00:15:57 <klh> aol/google only
May 17 00:15:59 <klh> fark
May 17 00:16:36 <madnificent> invalidopcode: i somehow assumed all of that would be replaced as enyo2 is coming out.  guess i'm getting lost into what is currently located where.  in my head, it's a total mess.
May 17 00:17:50 <invalidopcode> here you go https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/tools/command-line-tools.html#palm-package
May 17 00:18:11 <invalidopcode> yeah the webos documentation is a mess :/
May 17 00:19:16 <madnificent> invalidopcode: looks like that old habit hasn't changed then :)
May 17 00:19:33 <madnificent> i literally never have known it to be different.  once the documentation was on par, a new thing was started to replace the old thing.
May 17 00:19:45 <invalidopcode> hahaha yeah
May 17 00:20:24 <madnificent> (for the record, i still love my phone and i liked to dev on it with mojo.  rarely, if ever, have i gone so frenzy on the keyboard)
May 17 00:21:03 <invalidopcode> hahaha nice
May 17 00:21:12 <madnificent> ah, so i should create an appinfo.json file and call palm-package and that should be it, i guess...
May 17 00:21:18 <invalidopcode> yup yup
May 17 00:21:42 <invalidopcode> what's your app?
May 17 00:24:18 <madnificent> palm-package isn't installed on this machine, screwy.  lets get it on the ubuntu box again.
May 17 00:24:39 <madnificent> invalidopcode: it's just a dull timer application.  but it counts correctly instead of those apps which miss a few seconds every minute
May 17 00:24:46 <madnificent> and it's enyo 2.x, but there might be more of that
May 17 00:25:04 <invalidopcode> ah ok
May 17 00:25:12 <madnificent> and if anyone would care to put it somewhere where it can be downloaded by others: go ahead...  could use some fiddling though.
May 17 00:26:02 <madnificent> what i'm actually getting at is an application which turns a different background color at 15 and 5 minutes before the end.  it's handy when you need to give a presentation.
May 17 00:26:17 <invalidopcode> ah very nice
May 17 00:26:45 <madnificent> no, it's stupid.  there are far greater apps available.  but i guess it's better than not having it.
May 17 00:27:56 <klh> O_o
May 17 00:29:16 <madnificent> klh: ?
May 17 00:29:53 <klh> I thought your last comment was both hilarious, maybe even mad but also insulting.
May 17 00:30:17 <madnificent> insulting to what/whom?
May 17 00:30:36 <klh> nothing
May 17 00:30:42 <klh> looking at apps..
May 17 00:30:45 <klh> carry on
May 17 00:31:04 <madnificent> klh: i wasn't trying to be offensive with any of those btw :)
May 17 00:31:28 <klh> ya it was rather funny
May 17 00:31:57 <madnificent> there are some awesome webos applications out there though.  like spaz, or the feedreader that i use.  and the patches... i'm just in awe.
May 17 00:32:07 <klh> I need me a webos man on the inside
May 17 00:32:11 <klh> anyone from my area?
May 17 00:32:39 <klh> need my xmpp & ogg support, maybe even a webos upgrade
May 17 00:33:36 <klh> clarks vegas, tn area
May 17 00:40:32 <madnificent> oh joy, now i get errors about accessing local files.  they are packaged, webos, they're mine!
May 17 00:40:59 <madnificent> actually, the resource doesn't look that packaged at all... that's odd
May 17 00:44:55 <invalidopcode> klh: I'm hoping to work on xmpp soon, so we can have synergy facebook chat :)
May 17 00:45:32 <klh> I respect your efforts, but federated xmpp is what I'm lookin at
May 17 00:45:43 <klh> is possible but need wizard skills
May 17 00:45:59 <klh> with lvl 7 super powers
May 17 00:46:17 <invalidopcode> ?
May 17 00:46:33 <klh> webos uses libpurple
May 17 00:46:46 <klh> have to edit a file is a file is all
May 17 00:46:53 <klh> let me find howto..
May 17 00:47:15 <klh> http://www.ailis.de/~k/archives/56-Generic-Jabber-XMPP-with-webOS.html
May 17 00:47:40 <klh> facebook is not federated, you can't chat with anyone using a different server
May 17 00:48:07 <invalidopcode> ah okay, i was confused because I didn't know what federated xmpp was
May 17 00:48:08 <klh> using that howto you can use facebook xmpp
May 17 00:48:55 <invalidopcode> yeah iirc those instructions don't work in webos 3
May 17 00:49:20 <klh> why not?
May 17 00:49:27 <klh> webos no use libpurple in 3?
May 17 00:50:46 <invalidopcode> they moved that code from the article into native code iirc
May 17 00:50:59 * invalidopcode might be entirely wrong
May 17 00:51:17 <invalidopcode> but that's what I remember when I tried playing with it back in december
May 17 00:53:12 <klh> that suxs 4 u
May 17 00:53:16 <klh> hehehe
May 17 00:53:36 <klh> I joke
May 17 00:53:43 <madnificent> oh great fun, the build script doesn't take the onyx graphics with it.  joy o joy
May 17 00:54:46 <madnificent> (and it refers to them incorrectly)
May 17 01:01:03 <klh> be nice to create goog account with openid
May 17 01:01:09 <klh> every damn nickname is taken
May 17 01:02:03 <klh> wonder how they'll move forward in 20-50 yrs..
May 17 01:02:25 <klh> no more nicknames but nickumbers, then ipv6nicks...
May 17 01:03:34 <madnificent> klh: my nickname will simply become m4dn1f1c3NT!u171M4tEh4xx0R1337, not te be mistaken by m4dn1f1c3NT!u171M4tEh4xx0R1ee7
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