**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 26 02:59:57 2012
May 26 05:20:12 <EricBlade> hmmm
May 26 05:20:27 <EricBlade> interesting
May 26 05:20:38 <EricBlade> dammit chatthreader i hate you
May 26 05:27:30 <EricBlade> hmm... did it make it now
May 26 05:27:38 <EricBlade-Syn> Maybe....
May 26 05:33:52 <invalidopcode> howdy EricBlade or is it EricBlade-Syn
May 26 05:34:22 <EricBlade-Syn> Well... Depends on if this message comes out
May 26 05:34:39 <EricBlade-Syn> Woo it worked, ship it done. Lol
May 26 05:34:59 <invalidopcode> Cave Johnson, we're done here
May 26 05:35:13 <EricBlade-Syn> Roll fizzlebeef
May 26 05:35:37 <invalidopcode> what? no Portal fans in here? :P
May 26 05:35:56 * izzy84075 grabs the box of lemons.
May 26 05:36:49 <invalidopcode> hahaha izzy84075 because I'm a potato :P
May 26 05:37:44 <EricBlade> grrr...
May 26 05:37:50 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: try out the thing i just emailed you
May 26 05:38:08 <invalidopcode> EricBlade:  :P okay sure thing
May 26 05:38:21 <EricBlade> i can't tell if i'm routinely getting disconnected because the service is going down, or because i'm losing connection legitimately, or what
May 26 05:41:09 <EricBlade-Syn> This is wonderful while it works.
May 26 05:41:20 <invalidopcode> i found a bug
May 26 05:41:29 <EricBlade-Syn> Its reliability however is questionable
May 26 05:41:39 <invalidopcode> it cut off the last letter of my username
May 26 05:41:50 <EricBlade-Syn> Server problem
May 26 05:42:05 <EricBlade-Syn> You exceeded the max length of a name
May 26 05:42:26 <invalidopcode> hm... you're right
May 26 05:43:49 <EricBlade> this is just weird
May 26 05:44:26 <invalidopcode> hm.... yeah, it just randomly disconnects/reconnects
May 26 05:44:49 <EricBlade> i was hoping i had fixed that, but i just can't see what the hell is going on
May 26 05:45:50 <invalidopcode> also... feature suggestion: when you release, you should only have it notify the user if the user is mentioned, not on every message
May 26 05:45:56 <invalidopcode> btw, do PM's work?
May 26 05:54:16 <fxspec06> oh hey ppl are in here
May 26 05:56:03 * invalidopcode slaps fxspec06
May 26 05:57:20 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: i have no idea
May 26 05:57:34 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: hm... okay
May 26 05:57:45 <EricBlade> well you can definitely pm if someone sends you one
May 26 05:57:51 <EricBlade> there's a /msg command i haven't tried it to see if it worked
May 26 06:01:23 <invalidopcode> I don't know if any of the / commands work
May 26 06:01:28 <fxspec06> hey hey hey
May 26 06:01:31 <fxspec06> none of that
May 26 06:01:47 <fxspec06> i'm working on a super awesome alert kind
May 26 06:02:15 <invalidopcode> in then that case.... im sorry.... not :P
May 26 06:04:23 <invalidopcode> okay anyway, what does this super alert f your's do fxspec06?
May 26 06:04:59 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: theoretically, join part me notice whois and list work
May 26 06:05:06 <fxspec06> well
May 26 06:05:14 <fxspec06> http://pastebin.com/McrPb0Tr
May 26 06:05:15 <EricBlade> there's no implementation to display the results of whois or list though
May 26 06:05:17 <fxspec06> you can try for yourself
May 26 06:05:17 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: I don't think nick works
May 26 06:05:23 <EricBlade> nope no nick
May 26 06:05:44 <fxspec06> i'm making it accept a third options parameter where you can set onConfirm, onCancel, and confirm and cancel button text
May 26 06:05:50 <invalidopcode> fxspec06: I saw that earlier, hm... okay
May 26 06:05:51 <invalidopcode> cool
May 26 06:06:01 <fxspec06> yeah. i think enyo needs it
May 26 06:07:21 <EricBlade> fxspec06: you should use jsfiddle
May 26 06:07:37 <invalidopcode> hm... i must say, this github for windows app is pretty nice (imo)
May 26 06:08:42 <fxspec06> what in the heck is jsfiddle
May 26 06:09:16 <EricBlade> http://jsfiddle.net/
May 26 06:09:53 <EricBlade> http://jsfiddle.net/mausmalone/mLnLV/1/
May 26 06:13:05 <fxspec06> ah
May 26 06:23:06 <invalidopcode> anyone else tried out Ares 2 yet?
May 26 06:27:00 <invalidopcode> because if ares continues the way its going, it could be usable on the touchpad...
May 26 06:33:59 <fxspec06> mmmm
May 26 06:34:10 <fxspec06> no.
May 26 06:35:30 <invalidopcode> what do you mean "no."?
May 26 06:35:45 <fxspec06> i mena i haven't used it lol
May 26 06:36:39 <invalidopcode> ah okay...
May 26 06:37:00 <invalidopcode> its not anywhere near ready, but I kindof like it, even right now
May 26 06:42:21 <fxspec06> i've never used it
May 26 06:43:28 <fxspec06> hmm this alert is now way better and more useful
May 26 06:44:20 <invalidopcode> its written in Enyo 2 :P
May 26 06:45:14 <fxspec06> yessir
May 26 06:45:20 <fxspec06> how do you make it non-dismissable
May 26 06:45:22 <fxspec06> that's an issue
May 26 06:46:06 <fxspec06> autoDismiss
May 26 06:46:39 <invalidopcode> haha okay
May 26 06:47:00 <invalidopcode> hm... almost midnight, time for me to leave... okay night everyone
May 26 07:09:55 <samosa> Long live webos!
May 26 07:17:45 <EricBlade-Syn> Hmmm. Sigh
May 26 07:18:15 <EricBlade-Syn> This is not nearly as easy to get working properly as it was just to get itworking.
May 26 07:35:25 <EricBlade> is skype the only other supported group messenger? or does it do yahoo group chat too?
May 26 07:35:32 <EricBlade> or some other protocol i haven't looked at?
May 26 08:16:06 <dwc-> in general? or webos/
May 26 17:26:14 <EricBlade-Syn> Hello everyone
May 26 17:27:08 <invalidopcode> hello EricBlade-Syn
May 26 17:27:49 <EricBlade-Syn> Greetings.  Trying to see if ive got the service to stop dying
May 26 17:29:33 <invalidopcode> ah okay... my touchpad is in the other room charging
May 26 17:29:52 <EricBlade-Syn> Sorry i killed you battery heh
May 26 17:29:57 <fxspec06> so
May 26 17:29:58 <EricBlade-Syn> *your
May 26 17:30:06 <fxspec06> i'm trying to commit this fork to enyo gallery
May 26 17:30:12 <fxspec06> and i want to make sure i'm doing the right thing
May 26 17:31:21 <fxspec06> you know what, never mind. i think i did it the right way
May 26 17:31:30 <EricBlade-Syn> Woo
May 26 17:31:50 <EricBlade-Syn> Hmm
May 26 17:32:14 <fxspec06> -m "fxspec06.Alert .. first github fork commit ever"
May 26 17:32:14 <EricBlade-Syn> The messaging system is quite fragile :|
May 26 17:32:32 <EricBlade-Syn> Wrong window
May 26 17:33:32 <fxspec06> hmmmmmmmmmm
May 26 17:33:41 <EricBlade-Syn> Hmmmmmmmm
May 26 17:33:42 <fxspec06> and now that i have a fork, and i've updated my fork
May 26 17:33:52 <EricBlade-Syn> Fork fork fork
May 26 17:33:58 <fxspec06> alls i got to do is go back to the enyo gallery and have them pull my fork
May 26 17:34:09 <fxspec06> this is making me hungry
May 26 17:35:31 <EricBlade> dammmit why is it disconnecting like that
May 26 17:38:35 <fxspec06> hrm sweet
May 26 17:39:30 <fxspec06> i'm on the pull request
May 26 17:39:43 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: someone just changed their nick... do you think that might be crashing it?
May 26 17:40:12 <EricBlade> possible
May 26 17:42:48 <invalidopcode> anything?
May 26 17:43:12 <EricBlade> yeah that was it, bad handling of the nickname change
May 26 17:44:23 <EricBlade> oook, so, problems with the group chat threader .. hmm
May 26 17:50:51 <invalidopcode> well at least one more mystery solved
May 26 17:51:24 <dwc-> what is this? synergy irc?
May 26 17:52:02 <fxspec06> woo i think i get git
May 26 17:52:17 <fxspec06> anyways here's that alert kind.. https://github.com/fxspec06/enyo-alert/blob/master/alert.js
May 26 17:57:14 <invalidopcode> dwc-: yup
May 26 17:57:58 * fxspec06 time for food
May 26 18:00:17 <EricBlade> dwc-: working on it
May 26 18:08:01 <EricBlade> well it's most definitely crashing the chat threader
May 26 19:34:13 <EricBlade> what the hell
May 26 19:34:54 <EricBlade> i think my irc client was just logged in multiple times o.O
May 26 19:38:50 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: it was
May 26 19:39:49 <fxspec06> ok. it's time to start making this app look pretty
May 26 19:40:02 * fxspec06 somehow
May 26 19:42:47 <invalidopcode> isn't it a known fact that all enyo apps are supposed to look pretty? :P
May 26 19:48:29 <fxspec06> they do
May 26 19:48:32 <fxspec06> but
May 26 19:48:44 <fxspec06> ........................
May 26 19:49:06 <fxspec06> they don't make themselves
May 26 20:08:36 <EricBlade> invalidopcode: sending multiple simultaneous gvoice messages is.. interesting.
May 26 20:08:54 <EricBlade> it actually exhibits the same problem as when you try to send several serially .. except to multiple recipient
May 26 20:09:26 <EricBlade> i sent a message to 3 people, first one sent one, second one it sent two, third one it sent 4 o.O
May 26 20:10:08 <EricBlade> so, yeah, i need to figure that problem out.  something about checking the revision field, but when i try to access revision along with the other two fields, the database call fails
May 26 20:18:30 <Plazma> so is there an official webos dev channel or is this it?
May 26 20:18:48 <fxspec06> this is it
May 26 20:18:52 <fxspec06> and #enyojs
May 26 20:18:55 <Plazma> ahh right on
May 26 20:19:14 <Plazma> so all the apps for it are html5/js ?
May 26 20:32:43 <fxspec06> yep
May 26 20:36:41 <EricBlade-Syn> Well lets see how long this connection lasts for.
May 26 20:37:26 <EricBlade-Syn> Someone talk to me :)
May 26 20:38:03 <fxspec06> i can't seem to dynamically enable / disable an onyx iconbutton.
May 26 20:38:23 <EricBlade-Syn> Hmm.  Thats no good.
May 26 20:39:25 <fxspec06> nope. setActive isn't the same thing
May 26 20:39:44 <fxspec06> addRemoveClass some reason causes the iconbutton to just vanish
May 26 20:39:49 <fxspec06> so does any apply styles
May 26 20:39:52 <fxspec06> =\
May 26 20:40:18 <EricBlade-Syn> Either youve found a bug or are failing utterly :(
May 26 20:40:20 <fxspec06> i can attach myown disabled property to it and check that way, but i can't seem to change the image dynamically
May 26 20:40:27 <fxspec06> i think i've found a bug
May 26 20:40:34 <fxspec06> probably gonna post onthe forums
May 26 20:40:52 <fxspec06> lol
May 26 20:41:23 <Boopop> anyone else's desk feel incomplete without a webOS phone on the touchstone dock?
May 26 20:41:26 <EricBlade-Syn> Ok that was due to a wifi drop
May 26 20:41:28 <Boopop> it's my clock of choice xD
May 26 20:43:00 <EricBlade-Syn> This just might be stableish
May 26 20:44:52 <EricBlade-Syn> Invalidopcode: youve got email
May 26 20:47:31 <EricBlade> i think i'd like one more tester at the moment. any volunteers?
May 26 20:47:40 <fxspec06> setShowing() on the iconbutton is even screwing up
May 26 20:47:41 <fxspec06> man
May 26 20:49:53 <fxspec06> jesus. display: none don't work
May 26 20:50:13 <EricBlade-Syn> Nothing works fx :(
May 26 20:50:45 <fxspec06> these are the most persistent icon buttons i've ever seen
May 26 20:51:00 <fxspec06> i tell them to go away, and they magically re-appear somewhere else
May 26 20:51:48 <fxspec06> i figured it out
May 26 20:51:58 <fxspec06> it's because i put float on that, and other icon buttons
May 26 20:52:03 <fxspec06> and they're in a toolbar
May 26 20:52:23 <fxspec06> when apply style or display or showing... etc it changes the order in which they were rendered
May 26 20:52:45 <EricBlade-Syn> Why why why do they habe that automatic beeping every time a list is refreshed.. Ugh
May 26 20:53:02 <fxspec06> so the float property stayed, but it wasn't floating inline w/ the rest of elements. toolbar refresh fixed
May 26 20:53:04 <fxspec06> =\
May 26 20:53:10 <fxspec06> beeping?
May 26 20:53:27 <EricBlade-Syn> Is there a good enyo 1 widget for making a list to multi select with i wonder
May 26 20:54:18 <EricBlade-Syn> Yeah every time a message list is refreshed in the messaging app, the app beeps once for evrry message since your last outgoing
May 26 20:55:30 <fxspec06> hmm that's odd lol
May 26 20:55:33 <fxspec06> i don't use it very much
May 26 20:55:48 <EricBlade-Syn> So basically every time you touch your device it beeps a crapton if the messaging app has an irc window open and you haven't said anything in a while
May 26 20:55:56 <fxspec06> virtual  repeater is my fav..
May 26 20:56:09 <EricBlade-Syn> Its not odd, its right there in the message list item setup code :(
May 26 20:56:36 <EricBlade-Syn> I know there's some kind of list widget that has built in multi select..
May 26 20:58:01 <EricBlade-Syn> Whatever. I need to do some expansion to this node irc  module I think. And I. Need another test person
May 26 20:58:17 <EricBlade-Syn> And I probably need to learn to thumb type better
May 26 20:58:46 <EricBlade-Syn> But my gf took my Bluetooth keyboard to work with her tonight
May 26 20:58:53 <fxspec06> i'll test after i eat dinner
May 26 20:58:56 <fxspec06> during the celtics game
May 26 20:59:13 <fxspec06> ah yes i have a BT kb that i don't use any more
May 26 20:59:27 <EricBlade-Syn> Oh.. Can I have it?
May 26 20:59:34 <fxspec06> lol well, i use it for my TP
May 26 20:59:42 <fxspec06> just not as my main
May 26 20:59:55 <fxspec06> i forget to use it
May 26 20:59:55 <EricBlade-Syn> I need one for the daughter. I don't want her to grow up only knowing how to type on a vkb
May 26 21:00:20 <fxspec06> have her do some old school win 95 typing programs
May 26 21:00:45 <EricBlade-Syn> Her moms computer is so old school I think it runs win 95
May 26 21:01:31 <EricBlade-Syn> I know the touchpad dances circles around it even when its not running at its fastest
May 26 21:02:46 <EricBlade-Syn> Hmm. I just had another WiFi burp but apparently didn't lose the irc connection
May 26 21:03:53 <fxspec06> burp
May 26 21:03:58 <EricBlade-Syn> Hmm battery power is sucky. I can't remember when I took it off the touchstone
May 26 21:04:01 <fxspec06> is your wifi that bad?
May 26 21:04:19 <EricBlade-Syn> I think I need a commercial grade router
May 26 21:04:44 <fxspec06> in my experience, being logged into anything in the messaging app absolutely annihilates any webos battery in record time
May 26 21:04:56 <EricBlade-Syn> I have to reboot mine once a day or it just doesn't accept new connections.. And all the devices drop out briefly eegularly
May 26 21:05:04 <fxspec06> yikes
May 26 21:05:22 <fxspec06> my netgear N doesn't have many problems, but it probably has far less devices than yours
May 26 21:05:29 <EricBlade-Syn> Skype destroys my battery, the others I haven't noticed too much drain on
May 26 21:05:51 <EricBlade-Syn> Yeah we have 3 computers and a plethora of handhelds on wifi
May 26 21:06:20 <EricBlade-Syn> I did have my LCD bright up to 80% though I normally don't use it
May 26 21:06:34 <fxspec06> is there a spinner scrim for enyo 2
May 26 21:06:40 <fxspec06> that just goes over the whole app
May 26 21:07:09 <fxspec06> or id' have to make my own
May 26 21:07:39 <EricBlade-Syn> I don't know .. I've heard something about people using a canvas based spinner with quite some success though
May 26 21:07:53 <fxspec06> ya, jake was telling me about it
May 26 21:08:01 <fxspec06> i haven't seen it though
May 26 21:09:08 <fxspec06> animator.js
May 26 21:09:41 <EricBlade-Syn> I need to come up with some control for adding channels to the default list and such
May 26 21:10:28 <EricBlade-Syn> And see if I can mark a message read right from the get-go and have it not do notifications
May 26 21:11:30 <fxspec06> man i never thought i'd miss spinners
May 26 21:11:59 * fxspec06 knows not a lot about marking notifications read
May 26 21:22:18 <EricBlade-Syn> Hmm. Marking them as read when I put them into the database does solve the beeping problem.  Does not prevent a notification from going up though.
May 26 21:25:39 <EricBlade> la la la *yawn*
May 26 21:28:24 <fxspec06> damn. i made a loader scrim and it doesn't show when it's loading
May 26 21:28:30 <fxspec06> my load takes like 5 seconds
May 26 21:29:18 <fxspec06> but the asyncronous -__- it like just doesn't show before the function is called so it doesn'thelp
May 26 21:30:55 <fxspec06> enyo is.. strange some times
May 26 21:31:09 <sugardave> well, apparently someone mentioned me in here, but my irssi buffer won't let me go back that far, so....sorry!
May 26 21:32:23 <EricBlade-Syn> Sugardave, if you had irc in your touchpad messaging app, it'd remember :)
May 26 21:32:40 <sugardave> heh, yeah
May 26 21:32:55 <sugardave> I'm also fighting with Mac terminal....it kind of blows
May 26 21:33:13 <EricBlade-Syn> But your touchpad would probably have ground to a halt after two full days of messages
May 26 21:33:15 <sugardave> AND the mbp keyboard is missing a lot of keys that I use a lot
May 26 21:34:09 <EricBlade> after my touchpad's battery is fully charged again, i will be closely monitoring the impact of IRC messaging on battery
May 26 21:34:34 <sugardave> oh is that what you are working on?
May 26 21:34:42 <sugardave> IRC in messaging app?
May 26 21:34:53 * EricBlade-Syn waves at sugardave
May 26 21:35:25 <fxspec06> lol
May 26 21:35:35 <fxspec06> i think it was me that said your name
May 26 21:35:44 <fxspec06> i just wanted to make sure you weren't one of the guys leaving
May 26 21:35:50 <EricBlade> you came up when we were discussing who was leaving
May 26 21:35:56 <sugardave> no, I'm not leaving :)
May 26 21:36:14 * sugardave is basically a barnacle.
May 26 21:38:02 <madnificent> does anyone have examples or an api for enyo.JsonpRequest ?
May 26 21:38:10 <madnificent> (asked in #enyojs also)
May 26 21:38:25 <fxspec06> you're not a tentacle?
May 26 21:38:46 * fxspec06 doesn't know the difference between a barn & a tent
May 26 21:39:13 <EricBlade> it's ok to pitch a barn in public without getting embarassed
May 26 21:43:26 <EricBlade> hmm. i can't get my pc to play my guitar thru it's speakers today. worked fine yesterday. dammit.
May 26 21:45:57 <fxspec06> yay i made my loading message work
May 26 21:52:09 <EricBlade> sugardave: so i now have google voice and irc working via messaging .. but they aren't quite up to my standards of being quality enough to release
May 26 21:52:17 <madnificent> sigh
May 26 21:56:33 <EricBlade> hmm. windows insists i reboot. brb
May 26 21:58:59 * fxspec06 stretches
May 26 21:59:09 <fxspec06> darn it ! time to make food again =||||
May 26 22:32:59 <EricBlade-Syn> Well this is far and away the longest and most stable run I've had with this irc
May 26 22:33:11 <EricBlade-Syn> I was even able to join node.js
May 26 22:33:24 <EricBlade-Syn> Which used to crash the whole messaging app
May 26 23:05:39 <fxspec06> mayb you fixed it ?
May 26 23:12:06 <EricBlade-Syn> Com.palm.app.messaging has 3000 watches on immediate index byperson .  Wth
May 26 23:12:16 <EricBlade-Syn> Not my fault!!
May 26 23:17:37 <fxspec06> 3000 watches .. ?
May 26 23:17:43 <fxspec06> what does immediate index mean
May 26 23:17:48 <fxspec06> just type .. ?
May 26 23:17:57 <fxspec06> ready at hand ?
May 26 23:18:03 <EricBlade-Syn> Its over 3500 now
May 26 23:24:22 <EricBlade-Syn> The quantity of error and warning messages that come from internal parts of webOS is highly disturbing to me
May 26 23:25:21 <EricBlade-Syn> Esp when every two seconds I'm getting kernel alerts
May 26 23:25:42 <sugardave> webOS is chatty like that :)
May 26 23:25:53 <fxspec06> i had to read those one time, for a while. i forget for what
May 26 23:25:59 <EricBlade-Syn> Oh, the hidd device just congratulated me on reaching 5000 taps.
May 26 23:26:03 <fxspec06> it was pretty insane.
May 26 23:26:18 <fxspec06> try putting like 10+ fingers on it
May 26 23:26:29 <sugardave> ummmm
May 26 23:26:57 <fxspec06> well, i guess you'd need a hand
May 26 23:27:01 * fxspec06 ba-dum-tsh
May 26 23:27:16 <EricBlade-Syn> There was a log in messages something like: "achieved 5000 taps !!"
May 26 23:27:26 <EricBlade-Syn> Achievement unlocked?
May 26 23:27:31 <fxspec06> webos: achievement unlocked
May 26 23:28:27 <EricBlade-Syn> Media server and kernel are just spewing.  I hope open webOS doesn't do this.
May 26 23:29:04 <EricBlade-Syn> Hmmm
May 26 23:29:14 <fxspec06> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/40574271/5000.html
May 26 23:33:20 <EricBlade-Syn> Ok I'm going to reboot and see if the number of watches goes to something sane.  It looks like its making dozens of new watches every time I receive a message.
May 26 23:51:28 <fxspec06> damn. i love my info kind now, too. it works similar to my alert, but instead it's tiny and it disappears automatically
May 27 01:52:06 <EricBlade-Syn> Ok time for battery check.
May 27 01:52:29 <EricBlade-Syn> What sort of an effect does being on irc  via messaging have...
May 27 01:54:41 <fxspec06> i hypothesize a negative effect
May 27 02:09:34 <EricBlade-Syn> Hmm.
May 27 02:09:54 <EricBlade-Syn> Webos auto corrects my name to "surfboard"
May 27 02:21:24 <EricBlade-Syn> Hello dionet
May 27 02:25:28 <EricBlade-Syn> Well over 30 minutes and no detectable battery drain, minimal backlight, overcooked.
May 27 02:25:48 <EricBlade-Syn> I really need to add overclocked  to my dictionary.. But overcooked works too
May 27 02:50:53 <EricBlade-Syn> Well nearly inactive irc comm has very little battery affect
May 27 02:51:07 <fxspec06> what about a highly active one
May 27 02:51:25 <fxspec06> ( ... you'd probably have to visit another channel to test )
May 27 02:51:34 <EricBlade-Syn> I don't know
May 27 02:51:55 <fxspec06> it's probably similar to villo's push chat
May 27 02:51:58 <fxspec06> using pubnub
May 27 02:52:07 <EricBlade-Syn> Maybe we could have another webOS event this weekend to check
May 27 02:52:37 <EricBlade-Syn> Not sure how that works
May 27 02:53:15 <EricBlade-Syn> What I do know is that I'm violating all the battery conservation rules I can think of, and not really noticing any drain compared to what the normal stuff does
May 27 02:53:53 <fxspec06> you could do a scientific study
May 27 02:54:44 <fxspec06> full erase doctor, fresh install, and just write down battery levels once an hour
May 27 02:54:50 <fxspec06> you have a spare TP's right
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