**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 01 02:59:58 2012 Jun 01 03:02:18 yeah, that's the one Jun 01 03:02:29 it's been great to see EricBlade hard at work on synergy stuff Jun 01 03:02:39 * bigbluehat still wants to see a Flickr one Jun 01 03:02:45 hm... okay Jun 01 03:02:48 and to see someone package up the plaxo one in the docs Jun 01 03:02:58 I want to develop a Facebook chat one Jun 01 03:03:22 as well as I want to turn my push notification thing into a service Jun 01 03:03:56 * invalidopcode has more project ideas than he does time Jun 01 03:08:02 :) Jun 01 03:08:07 yeah...it's a universal ill Jun 01 03:08:11 at least in IRC channels :) Jun 01 03:09:21 invalidopcode: do you know of (m)any open source webos projects I could contribute to Jun 01 03:09:26 meaning "app" projects Jun 01 03:09:31 not core things (yet) Jun 01 03:13:29 yeah haha Jun 01 03:13:49 um... well I know PatrickC was saying that project macaw had some stuff they needed done Jun 01 03:14:04 it depends, do you want to do Enyo or Mojo stuff? Jun 01 03:19:33 * PatrickC wanders in Jun 01 03:20:33 * invalidopcode runs out Jun 01 03:20:56 invalidopcode, you act like you're in trouble? :P Jun 01 03:21:23 * invalidopcode hides Jun 01 03:24:43 * invalidopcode slowly comes back out Jun 01 03:25:31 * PatrickC runs invalidopcode off Jun 01 03:26:14 * invalidopcode stands his ground. pulls out phaser app on pre3 Jun 01 03:26:45 * PatrickC pulls out 2 pre3's, a few pre2s, and several pre-/+s Jun 01 03:27:01 * invalidopcode wonders how PatrickC can hold all of those with two hands Jun 01 03:29:26 I've seen a lot of people try doing the push notification service Jun 01 03:29:46 we sorta had it with messenger and other attempts. Jun 01 03:30:16 * PatrickC will be in and out.. Jun 01 03:30:19 real work calls :/ Jun 01 03:30:54 okay Jun 01 03:31:00 bnceo`: mine works Jun 01 03:31:09 its a boxcar.io client Jun 01 03:31:18 its got a few issues but it is functional Jun 01 03:33:33 I mean, push should be a service available to every app Jun 01 03:33:46 just how it is on the other OS's Jun 01 03:33:48 oh yeah Jun 01 03:34:09 I wish they have that too Jun 01 03:34:24 maybe when openwebos comes out someone like wosi could offer that service Jun 01 03:35:44 invalidopcode: mojo is "out" correct? Jun 01 03:35:58 so either Enyo or "other" (if that's possible) I guess Jun 01 03:36:05 bigbluehat: yes... though many apps are still written in it Jun 01 03:36:26 you can still write mojo apps, but its not the recommended way Jun 01 03:36:40 right. Jun 01 03:36:54 I'm new here, so I should probably stick to what's new and/or has some future :) Jun 01 03:37:19 haha yeah good choice :P Jun 01 03:37:24 few things are happier than travis-ci sending you "[Fixed]" in an email :D Jun 01 03:37:29 invalidopcode: tnx :) Jun 01 03:37:46 who's travis-ci? Jun 01 03:38:08 also, are you planning on doing phone dev work or touchpad? Jun 01 03:38:57 travis-ci.org Jun 01 03:39:02 he's your new friend :) Jun 01 03:39:11 touchpad Jun 01 03:39:14 as it's all I've got atm Jun 01 03:39:20 and "desktop" ;) Jun 01 03:39:57 hahah Jun 01 03:40:00 ah okay cool Jun 01 03:40:14 yeah if you want "desktop" then enyo is the way to go Jun 01 03:40:40 so...is it possible to build stuff "without" enyo? Jun 01 03:40:43 * bigbluehat ducks Jun 01 03:40:56 yeah green! :) http://travis-ci.org/#!/BigBlueHat/couchbase-python-client Jun 01 03:41:21 * invalidopcode swings big palm bat at bigbluehat Jun 01 03:41:29 haha Jun 01 03:41:30 nice Jun 01 03:41:36 * bigbluehat throws dead LifeDrive at invalidopcode Jun 01 03:41:42 hahaha Jun 01 03:41:51 * invalidopcode dodges Jun 01 03:42:15 I think you can, but you want to make sure you keep the app looking native Jun 01 03:44:27 yeah, for sure Jun 01 03:44:38 in which case drinking the enyo koolaid makes the most sense Jun 01 03:44:55 yeah Jun 01 03:45:15 I can't speak for enyo 2 but enyo 1 doesn't taste to bad Jun 01 03:45:24 there's loads of web apps "laying around" though that'd I'd like to just "copy/paste" into webOS apps (more or less :) ) Jun 01 03:45:52 I guess for something like that I should be looking into Apache Cordova Jun 01 03:45:53 or similar Jun 01 03:47:32 i've done that backwards... I've copy-pasted my app into different platforms (mainly blackberry playbook) Jun 01 03:49:32 ah, interesting Jun 01 03:49:57 do you have db8 experience? Jun 01 03:55:49 a little big Jun 01 03:55:52 *bit Jun 01 03:55:54 why? Jun 01 04:03:26 it's probably the piece of webOS that interests me most---beyond the UX Jun 01 04:03:38 ah okay Jun 01 04:03:58 I will be learning about it very soon because i'm moving the storage from localstorage to db8 soon Jun 01 04:07:53 ah, cool Jun 01 04:09:51 invalidopcode: so what's your dev environment "look" like? Jun 01 04:09:58 Eclipse + emulator thing? Jun 01 04:10:00 vi :D Jun 01 04:14:43 depends on what mood im in Jun 01 04:14:44 :P Jun 01 04:14:58 I have eclipse with a few bash scripts Jun 01 04:15:11 but I also use vim with those same bash scripts Jun 01 04:16:28 and use the emulator thing for testing? Jun 01 04:16:33 or "just" Chrome? Jun 01 05:17:03 hi. the magnet converter between headset and veer is unstable. is there anyway to fix it? Jun 01 12:33:57 hey, could someone with more touchpad experience check something for me? i wonder if the screenshot shows a tp which is running ubuntu, or if it's webos. i know it /can/ run ubuntu, it's this screen i'm interested in. Jun 01 12:34:19 http://94.143.208.169/images/31/3167667578.jpg << that is ubuntu right? Jun 01 12:36:24 madnificent: nope. webOS Jun 01 12:36:36 sorry Jun 01 12:37:31 ok Jun 01 12:37:36 what's that bottom bar then/ Jun 01 12:38:04 is there a way to see if the battery is still good? or am i searching for something that isn't exactly bound to failure (or that will be hacker-replacable when the time comes) Jun 01 12:52:55 oh bigbluehat thanks! i was going to ask the guy to send me the output of acpi -V, that wouldn't have been helpful :) Jun 01 12:53:35 yeah, if it were Ubuntu it'd have (at least) an icon in the top left (as well as text) Jun 01 12:53:49 and there'd only be a single "tray" in the top right Jun 01 12:54:07 there seems to be two sets of e-mail notifications + the typical battery/wifi/clock ones Jun 01 12:54:10 so it's webOS :) Jun 01 12:54:16 also the browser is black ;) Jun 01 12:56:00 yeah but what's that bottom white bar then? Jun 01 12:56:25 that was my que for assuming it wasn't webos Jun 01 12:57:11 i think it's just part of youtube Jun 01 12:58:01 lol Jun 01 12:58:18 and the battery normally isn't an issue, right? Jun 01 12:59:49 the battery? Jun 01 13:00:00 oh Jun 01 13:00:02 yeah, not sure Jun 01 13:00:19 I got a dual-boot #touchpad off ebay in February and have had no complaints Jun 01 13:00:26 for the most part they're all still "too new" ;) Jun 01 13:03:29 yeah, probably Jun 01 13:04:13 * madnificent is talking to two sellers right now. one with touchstone and case, and one without. price difference in my offer 50€. hope either of them responds. Jun 01 13:06:37 madnificent: HP used to sell (may still) touchstone + case + keyboard for $79 USD Jun 01 13:06:50 got that a couple weeks after the TP Jun 01 13:06:52 worth it Jun 01 13:09:58 bigbluehat:} how much is touchstone now Jun 01 13:10:13 chandoo: no idea. /me has one Jun 01 13:10:36 couple of days ago i got touchpad case for $4 , leather sleeve for $4 and slip on case for $1 Jun 01 13:10:46 yes, USD, when it's here it's probably 80 euros. Jun 01 13:10:47 or more Jun 01 13:10:53 taxes + shipping is horrible Jun 01 13:11:07 and i can't even order the case :/ Jun 01 13:11:33 all together like $10-$11 bucks Jun 01 13:12:25 yeah, touchstone and keyboard are likely the costly bits :) Jun 01 13:12:49 the keyboard is a collector's item, i think Jun 01 13:12:54 just like the white touchpad that's on ebay now Jun 01 13:13:16 ah yeah, saw the white tp's Jun 01 13:13:17 crazy Jun 01 13:14:13 i'm just following it out of curiosity :) Jun 01 13:14:41 :) Jun 01 13:20:18 actually, if i want to get an HP case in europe, i think i'd pay something like 25 euros for it. shipping etc included ofc. Jun 01 13:35:08 step Jun 01 13:46:59 madnificent, that bar at the bottom looks like it's a specific app. reminds me of video flood hd Jun 01 13:55:34 aha, that could be it too ofc Jun 01 13:55:47 anyways, he still hasn't responded yet. is it so hard to answer an email these days? Jun 01 14:00:15 he could use the touchpad, but then probably wouldn't be selling it Jun 01 14:04:42 RagingMind: i'm cutting off his list price, obviously. but 250 euros seems to be a reasonable price for the bundle, i think. Jun 01 17:32:39 http://forums.webosnation.com/3329280-post45.html Jun 01 17:34:06 if you've got good mobile development skills, work is not hard to find. Jun 01 17:34:47 Correct, there are lot of dev jovbs on mobile Jun 01 17:35:00 Samsung, then it must be android :S Jun 01 17:36:12 its a recruiter and their very first post. just fishing. Jun 01 17:43:03 hehe, he got to me through linkedin the other day....I wonder if they ever actually built the r&d facility. I've heard things that would make me hesitant to go there if I were looking for a job Jun 01 17:50:43 sugardave: looks like you had a good trip` Jun 01 17:52:25 hotdp: hey! We absolutely owned Fluent, my man :) Jun 01 17:52:39 Awesome :D Jun 01 17:53:22 lot of interest in Enyo there. One of the sponsors I wanted to expose us to had already been checking us out prior to the conference, so that was great Jun 01 18:24:04 hmm. prepaid iphones. I guess Apple wins. Jun 01 18:25:49 soon, the majority of consumers will not know that there are any phones other than iphones Jun 01 18:27:07 iPhone will become the consumer word for smartphone, just as iPad has become the consumer word for tablet Jun 01 18:27:07 ? Jun 01 18:27:18 eh why? Jun 01 18:27:53 because prepaid iphones means the majority of cell consumers will be able to get them Jun 01 18:27:56 so they will Jun 01 18:29:06 they'll become a much more common status symbol in the no-credit-market, just like "chirp phones" were 10 years ago Jun 01 18:30:04 but with apple leading them around instead of sprint, they'll actually succeed, and they already have the huge majority of the non-prepaid market Jun 01 18:30:05 PrePaid? So you can talk for xx everymonth? Jun 01 18:30:40 prepaid = "minute phones", no contract Jun 01 18:31:11 aha Jun 01 18:31:21 so you have x minuts everymonth? Jun 01 18:31:36 x minutes for Y dollars Jun 01 18:33:25 And that is popular in the states? Jun 01 18:47:55 extremely popular. no contracts, no credit checks, as soon as the ghetto knows they can get iphones with no credit, imo, apple wins the phone fight Jun 01 18:50:58 the only hope that will be had to get away will be that apple makes a huge misstep and/or someone comes up with something that cranks the cool factor up Jun 01 18:55:32 http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57444733-37/has-the-iphone-lost-its-cool-factor/ Jun 01 18:56:14 just as consumers commonly ask me about the difference between Apple iPads and Android iPads, soon there will be few other choices Jun 01 18:56:17 imo Jun 01 18:58:19 "has the iphone lost its cool factor" no Jun 01 19:00:07 ok now that i'm done destroying my computer, i need to put it back together Jun 01 19:00:14 fxspec06: it's less cool than it used to be :) Jun 01 19:00:34 also, why don't sellers answer to email. how long does it take to formulate a reply. really? how inefficient is this world? Jun 01 19:02:31 i have a bunch of backing up to do Jun 01 19:02:42 i'll be offline for another couple hours it looks like. at least Jun 01 19:02:47 =\ Jun 01 19:03:08 fxspec06: you know the obligatory xkcd reference? Jun 01 19:03:18 * fxspec06 waits for URL Jun 01 19:03:46 before i go, i must re-run this WEI assessment and post a screenshot on twitter. you know, for bragging rights Jun 01 19:04:11 it's less cool than it used to be? Jun 01 19:04:15 http://xkcd.com/349/ Jun 01 19:04:55 summatusmentis: yeah, people don't look anymore when an iphone is on the table somewhere. it's just there. they don't look at it differently than the way they look at a samsung galaxy 238924 Jun 01 19:05:27 hmm. i think the block size on this drive isn't what it's supposed to be Jun 01 19:05:28 ⁰ numbers added intentionally, i don't know the correct naming of the fancy galaxy things Jun 01 19:05:38 it only gets a 7.2 on WEI. should be 7.9. oh well, fix it later Jun 01 19:05:50 madnificent: I think that may be true for smartphone users Jun 01 19:06:12 I think people who have held out on smartphones still want an iPhone, most of the time Jun 01 19:06:46 i don't see them looking differently at it, so that's the cool factor about it. smartphone buyers buy what the guy in the store advises them to buy Jun 01 19:07:00 http://i.imgur.com/BM8wV.png k bbwl Jun 01 19:07:03 one of my brothers bought a noxia smartphone (with symbian on it). seriously, wtf Jun 01 19:07:19 from where? Jun 01 19:07:36 don't know which store it was actually. but it was what the guy advised him to buy Jun 01 19:07:52 and it's certainly not as smart as you'd want a smartphone to be Jun 01 19:07:55 I was completely unaware that those existed anymore Jun 01 19:08:00 btw, ROFL @ xkcd Jun 01 19:08:10 fxspec06: good luck with the sharks later! Jun 01 19:08:30 the sharks are gone! all that's left is the martini with the umbrellas! Jun 01 19:09:08 for real, i've already got the main partition booted into ssd.. all that's left is backing up the leftover minor partitions onto external, then re-formatting of the TB internal, and restoration / re-partitioning Jun 01 19:09:18 and that's just time consuming. hardly any risk Jun 01 19:09:25 * fxspec06 bbl Jun 01 21:59:52 hey guys Jun 01 22:00:03 grr... bbl Jun 01 22:03:40 hey! oh.. bye :P Jun 01 22:07:03 hey PatrickC Jun 01 22:07:11 and hey invalidopcode Jun 01 22:07:30 hey madnificent what's up? Jun 01 22:07:49 should be working on my master thesis but am pissed that a touchpad seller didn't respond to me Jun 01 22:08:13 * madnificent wonders if he's a real douche when it comes to buying stuff, or if people are just totally incompotent Jun 01 22:08:40 ah hahah Jun 01 22:08:54 what's the thesis on? touchpads? :P Jun 01 22:09:28 generic modeling and verification of processes with semantic technologies. Jun 01 22:10:01 well, that's the title. it was actually due last year, so i should *really* work on it now i have some time. Jun 01 22:10:31 * invalidopcode opens up google Jun 01 22:11:44 haha yeah you might want to be working on that... people don't like things due a year late :P Jun 01 22:13:39 semantic technologies Jun 01 22:13:46 technology that argues with you Jun 01 22:14:37 oh hey its fxspec06, how's the new harddrive? Jun 01 22:15:10 it boots faster than i can get pissed off at it for taking too long to boot Jun 01 22:15:24 oh only that fast Jun 01 22:15:37 i can actually type in my password and hit enter before the screen that has my login password box and image appears Jun 01 22:15:52 oh geez Jun 01 22:16:19 and then i can open a bunch of programs right away isntead of waiting until it feels like it. so i'd say it's doing pretty dang awesome Jun 01 22:16:34 my old SSD has become borderline deficient, or so it seems. it doesn't support TRIM (iirc, that was the name of the feature) Jun 01 22:17:13 trim? should i enable that Jun 01 22:17:33 or rather, is that something i should enable Jun 01 22:22:25 Either I'm just dumb or Mojo apps are not very readable, because I am having great difficulty understanding the source code of this app Jun 01 22:22:30 * madnificent tries to write an IEE style paper Jun 01 22:22:42 invalidopcode: don't say it's mine, please don't Jun 01 22:22:52 no, they're fairly tough to read Jun 01 22:23:01 but yes, they have a freeer structure than enyo apps Jun 01 22:23:09 madnificent: ITS YOURS! jk... what app have you written? Jun 01 22:23:20 * madnificent still finds his way in his apps Jun 01 22:23:25 its instragio (an instragram client) Jun 01 22:23:50 invalidopcode: tasks@hand, not publicly available unless you've sent me your email address in which case i probably have (i've been trying to find people that want to dev on it so it can become open source) Jun 01 22:23:57 aha Jun 01 22:24:02 i suppose i should make a permanent backup space for this ssd. Jun 01 22:24:37 fxspec06: yeah! you should put it in software raid 1 with a normal HDD and then continuously call sync! Jun 01 22:26:07 madnificent: *another* task management app? Jun 01 22:27:31 all i want to do is change this menu-ish thing to be one long line instead of two.. this should not be this hard Jun 01 22:28:04 invalidopcode: mine is the best! Jun 01 22:28:20 seriously, i wrote it because GTD like software isn't all that good imho Jun 01 22:28:37 haha any outstanding features? Jun 01 22:28:51 really? do you really think i should do that Jun 01 22:29:00 wouldn't that harm performance Jun 01 22:29:02 it's just efficient. if you know GTD, it just gets out of your way Jun 01 22:29:03 of my PC Jun 01 22:29:38 so, i should make a partition of my internal.. ? Jun 01 22:29:53 madnificent: RTM sync? Jun 01 22:29:56 i remember that in openloops (android) i used to stare at the app every single evening, figuring out what i still had to do (and that's quite ok imo). with tasks@hand i had to get rid of that habbit. there was nothing to see, it already showed everything immediately. Jun 01 22:30:09 invalidopcode: no, but you could add it Jun 01 22:30:21 invalidopcode: you couldn't actually, RTM doesn't have everything you need for a good GTD app, i think Jun 01 22:30:43 but you could make it sync, to some extent, probably Jun 01 22:30:57 *any* form of sync would be welcome Jun 01 22:31:14 ah okay... I'm not really familiar with GTD Jun 01 22:31:18 and in all fairness, it should probably just be ported to enyo. perhaps the backend model can still exist. Jun 01 22:31:30 read the book, if applied correctly it can save you loads of time Jun 01 22:32:55 ahh okay Jun 01 22:34:22 madnificent and invalidopcode! nice! Jun 01 22:34:32 PatrickC: and you! Jun 01 22:34:54 * PatrickC runs and hides Jun 01 22:35:11 * PatrickC peeks around corner Jun 01 22:36:02 * invalidopcode aims sniper rifle Jun 01 22:36:23 * PatrickC pulls out rocket launcher Jun 01 22:36:32 * madnificent JUST RUNS Jun 01 22:36:44 * PatrickC BOOM Jun 01 22:37:18 * invalidopcode died Jun 01 22:37:31 * invalidopcode took all of PatrickC's devices with him Jun 01 22:37:32 * PatrickC runs over to invalidopcode Jun 01 22:37:46 ah FU PatrickC! that's like 5% of all enyo devs you just killed Jun 01 22:37:52 "I wasn't aiming for you! It was fxspec06 i was aiming at!" Jun 01 22:37:57 hahahaha Jun 01 22:38:28 * fxspec06 raises ssd deflector shield Jun 01 22:38:30 * PatrickC crawls into the corner because of an article he's writing Jun 01 22:39:01 did I walk into an space fight? Jun 01 22:39:03 fxspec06, that SSD shield is no match for my PATA Rocket Launcher! Jun 01 22:39:14 akanster, yep Jun 01 22:39:21 * PatrickC hides behind akanster Jun 01 22:39:28 * madnificent has a tiny ZIF SSD, does that give me superpowerz? Jun 01 22:39:59 my 15GB PATA gives me super heavyweight powers Jun 01 22:40:48 PatrickC: more like quick scout-like powers (TF2 reference :P) Jun 01 22:41:05 lol Jun 01 22:41:11 * invalidopcode takes out a lemonade and just watches Jun 01 22:41:13 oh, invalidopcode, check your PM Jun 01 22:41:28 ok Jun 01 22:41:31 better then halfhalo.. he always breaks out the popcorn. makes me hungry Jun 01 22:41:41 i can live with lemonade :) Jun 01 22:42:19 ooooo popcorn sounds even better :P Jun 01 22:42:32 NO!! my one weakness! Jun 01 22:42:41 i'm thinking a weekly system image bckup will suffice Jun 01 22:43:00 i really don't need a mirror raid. seems like a lot of work Jun 01 22:43:08 * invalidopcode breaks out the Boy Scout popcorn Jun 01 22:43:33 if i were to pick up an extra HDD w/ exactly the space of the SSD i'd do ti Jun 01 22:43:34 it* Jun 01 22:44:14 PatrickC: Any WP7 apps yet? Jun 01 22:46:50 we aren't eligeble for WP8 dev phones in some way, right? Jun 01 22:47:25 akanster, no ;( Jun 01 22:47:35 madnificent, some of us might be :) Jun 01 22:47:43 but i don't even think that WP employees have them yet Jun 01 22:48:12 akanster, other things have taken up my time.. sadly Jun 01 22:48:27 bummer Jun 01 22:48:33 akanster, see PM :) Jun 01 23:27:01 running atto benchmark right now.. not seeing anything over 360MB/s Jun 01 23:27:11 i'm getting the feeling something is wrong Jun 01 23:55:45 baha there was something wrong Jun 01 23:57:26 w/ ahci disabled i was maxed at 380mb/s if lucky .. enabled and http://i.imgur.com/JHFEW.jpg bam! 485 write 552 read Jun 01 23:59:06 and a 7.8 wei. that's much better **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 02 02:59:58 2012