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Jun 02 06:22:01 <invalidopcode> so in Mojo, after binding an event using controller.listen, in that event, how come I can't use the controller.stageController functionality?
Jun 02 06:22:08 <invalidopcode> (the variable isn't defined)
Jun 02 06:28:40 <fxspec06> Mojo.Controller.stageController. etc
Jun 02 06:31:30 <invalidopcode> yeah, i'm trying that but I need to be able to access the assistant's 'this' variable, because I have stuff in need in here
Jun 02 06:31:31 <invalidopcode> *there
Jun 02 06:32:48 * invalidopcode needs to better understand how javascript scope works
Jun 02 06:45:03 <invalidopcode> fxspec06: nevermind, i figured it out :)
Jun 02 06:45:14 <fxspec06> sorry lol
Jun 02 15:36:32 <EricBlade> hmm.  There's a Quickoffice update on my Pre3 today.  I see on the Twitters one person says don't touch it .. anyone else?
Jun 02 15:38:00 <madnificent> i don't see anything for the veer, can't help
Jun 02 15:41:48 <EricBlade> hmm. I think i'll pass, more people saying it's broke on the forums
Jun 02 15:46:24 * madnificent still wants his TP seller to respond to him
Jun 02 15:47:27 <fxspec06> any reason an image wouldn't appear on the device, but it does in chrome
Jun 02 15:47:52 <fxspec06> my guess would be the image doesn't exist on the touchpad. but it's in the app source
Jun 02 15:59:46 <EricBlade> hmm.  the guy that is head of webos software development was previously working on maemo and meego.  inspiring.
Jun 02 16:01:24 * madnificent notices that writing latex in latex instead of orgmode is teh bork
Jun 02 16:03:49 <fxspec06> inspiring indeed
Jun 02 16:04:04 <madnificent> that could mean two things
Jun 02 16:04:14 <madnificent> his track record isn't the greatest, but he knows what he's talking about :)
Jun 02 16:04:49 <madnificent> in all honesty, it may just be as good as it gets
Jun 02 16:05:19 <EricBlade> he's moving up in the world
Jun 02 16:17:51 <fxspec06> hm. enyo 2 seems to leave a thin white line on the top of the app
Jun 02 16:17:55 <fxspec06> on the topp toolbar
Jun 02 17:09:41 <fxspec06> BAH.
Jun 02 17:10:35 <fxspec06> if toolbar height changes in a slideable and the slideable has fit: true, or any height property relly then it offsets the height of the whole thing
Jun 02 17:10:39 <fxspec06> and you can't render if it's open
Jun 02 17:10:48 <fxspec06> actually you cna't render a slideable, period
Jun 02 17:35:52 <sugardave> umm...that sounds wrong
Jun 02 17:35:58 <sugardave> it's a Control
Jun 02 17:36:04 <sugardave> should have render()
Jun 02 17:36:19 * sugardave IRCs on slow-ass gogo at 27K feet.
Jun 02 17:36:27 <fxspec06> it has a render(), but when i call it it disappears.
Jun 02 17:36:46 <sugardave> try .resized()
Jun 02 17:37:10 <fxspec06> mmm there's a good one. i don't have the prob any more but i'll see what that does
Jun 02 17:42:59 <madnificent> sugardave: hmm, perhaps your connection is directly related to your height.  27K seems like a plausible slow speed.  ask the pilot to go to 54K and see if you recognize the bandwidth from the olden days
Jun 02 17:43:28 <sugardave> ha, I'm not sure the other passengers would approve :)
Jun 02 17:43:48 <fxspec06> lol
Jun 02 17:45:35 <fxspec06> "this plane has no filange!"
Jun 02 17:46:24 <sugardave> madnificent: plus, bandwidth from my olden days would be 300bps.  let's not go back there
Jun 02 17:46:37 <oil> in-flight wifi = makes flying bearable
Jun 02 17:46:47 <sugardave> hey oil!
Jun 02 17:46:52 <sugardave> what's shakin'?
Jun 02 17:46:59 <oil> not much
Jun 02 17:47:07 <oil> waiting for open webos :)
Jun 02 17:47:13 <sugardave> heh, me, too!
Jun 02 17:47:33 <oil> raspberry pi showed up, playing around with it :)
Jun 02 17:48:14 <sugardave> nice, I still haven't looked into it yet
Jun 02 17:48:22 <sugardave> been sort of extra-busy lately
Jun 02 17:48:27 <oil> yeah
Jun 02 17:50:49 <fxspec06> oh damn! my lumia is coming today!
Jun 02 17:50:53 * fxspec06 runs to check mail
Jun 02 17:51:42 * oil is waiting for webos to be ported to a phone so he can buy that and do the same
Jun 02 17:54:55 <fxspec06> surprised, usps shipping can take ~week +
Jun 02 17:55:07 <oil> yeah, usps is slow
Jun 02 17:55:25 <fxspec06> oh, but it's coming from one state away.
Jun 02 17:55:37 <oil> doesnt matter lol
Jun 02 17:57:49 <fxspec06> speaking of the devil, mail man pulls in the driveway as i'm walking back upstairs. in comes lumia, phone touchstone, and touchpad case & sleeve
Jun 02 17:58:30 * oil ordered a bunch of ts backs for outfitting non-palm phones
Jun 02 18:01:02 <fxspec06> arrgh, it's an 800. =\ oh well
Jun 02 18:02:26 <fxspec06> still a pretty sweet phone nonetheless
Jun 02 18:09:31 <hotdp> fxspec06 you got it for free?
Jun 02 18:10:05 <fxspec06> mhm
Jun 02 18:10:31 <hotdp> It only takes one app to get it for free
Jun 02 18:11:00 <fxspec06> well that's a bit of an exaggeration, but yes
Jun 02 18:11:07 <hotdp> Its strange how they can make money with all the free ones they give out
Jun 02 18:11:14 <fxspec06> you have to be a new dev, and you got to know a rep
Jun 02 18:11:33 <hotdp> Hmm its not like that here in dk
Jun 02 18:11:51 <fxspec06> and of course it's all at the rep's discretion. so i doubt a flashlight app would win the heart of a rep =P
Jun 02 18:12:04 <hotdp> write 3 crap apps or one app that uses there services OR be at some kind og dev meeting
Jun 02 18:13:16 <fxspec06> in all honesty i thought it was a 900, little disappointed. but looking at the comparison, the most notable differences are front facing cam which i wouldn't use, the bigger screen size of the 900 which, coming from a pre plus isn't a big deal to me at all, and the battery size
Jun 02 18:13:52 <hotdp> They have been some battery problems with the 800 maybe the 900 dont have thoose problems
Jun 02 18:14:05 <hotdp> there*
Jun 02 18:16:26 <fxspec06> the verge gave the 800 a 7.8
Jun 02 18:17:33 <fxspec06> and the 900 a 7.0
Jun 02 18:17:47 <hotdp> uh
Jun 02 18:18:06 <hotdp> I have 3 friends with 800
Jun 02 18:18:22 <hotdp> 1 uses hes olde iPhone after some month
Jun 02 18:18:36 <hotdp> 1 has no simin he's
Jun 02 18:18:50 <hotdp> 1 looking at a iphone
Jun 02 18:19:25 <hotdp> something about missing apps and basic funtionality missing
Jun 02 23:33:37 <EricBlade> i wonder what would happen at Apple or Google if their stores ever broke like ours does
Jun 02 23:49:39 <dwc-> store's broken?
Jun 02 23:52:11 <EricBlade> well a huge dump of apps into the "New" column that likely haven't actually been updated, a pre3 update to Quickoffice that says "FOR PALM INTERNAL USE ONLY" .. no screenshots showing up for any of the supposedly updated apps ..
Jun 02 23:53:33 <dwc-> I think "new" just works on the last modified time for the app+metadata
Jun 02 23:53:39 <EricBlade> hmm. on Pre3, GVoice is showing as updated, but I haven't issued an update for it in a couple weeks
Jun 02 23:54:11 <madnificent> EricBlade: i was wondering how we suddenly got so many 'new' apps in the timed cathegory
Jun 02 23:54:36 <madnificent> especially as virtually none of them seemed enyo-based
Jun 02 23:54:41 <EricBlade> it looks like hte problem might've been taken care of since last i looked, at least XO is in the first ocuple pages, and that update was done on Wednesday
Jun 02 23:55:07 <madnificent> in europe i still see a 'new' google voice
Jun 03 00:04:34 <fxspec06> argh. i dislike my head to head matchup screen
Jun 03 00:04:40 <fxspec06> and my game screen
Jun 03 00:04:50 <fxspec06> they don't fit well. although, they look nice
Jun 03 00:06:39 <EricBlade> hmm.  I don't -remember- sending an update to GVoice
Jun 03 00:06:48 <EricBlade> but it says that my current version is .1 ahead of what I last remember sending
Jun 03 00:07:12 <dwc-> oh, I see, so you've been holding out on us =]
Jun 03 00:07:54 <EricBlade> ok, that is the last update that i sent
Jun 03 00:08:14 <EricBlade> according to My webOS Apps app, that was approved on May 15th.
Jun 03 00:08:34 <EricBlade> hmm.  looks like maybe there was a forced update somewhere
Jun 03 00:09:06 <EricBlade> GVoice Pre hasn't been updated since Feb, but is showing update today, GVoice in 2 weeks, updated today, XO I updated on the 29th, and it's showing today
Jun 03 00:15:59 <fxspec06> btw, is there any reason italics wouldn't work on the touchpad
Jun 03 00:27:11 <EricBlade> I wonder if they are fixing the screenshots.
Jun 03 00:44:12 <EricBlade> hmm.  anyone confirm that GVoice is able to send messages?  I was able to send from my PlayBook earlier, but my Pre3 and Chrome are failing, my TouchPad isn't here right now
Jun 03 00:45:50 <fxspec06> no tengo
Jun 03 00:57:47 <dwc-> all I have is gvoice pre
Jun 03 00:58:02 <dwc-> ye olde
Jun 03 00:58:04 <EricBlade> are you able to send messages with it?
Jun 03 00:58:23 <dwc-> I could the last time I tried ... and you haven't updated since, right?
Jun 03 00:58:45 <EricBlade> no i haven't updated it since feb .. most all of the new stuff is webOS 2.2+
Jun 03 00:59:11 <dwc-> so I would assume it still works, unless you think it's a server issue
Jun 03 00:59:35 <EricBlade> i'm trying to verify if it's a server issue or my account issue
Jun 03 01:00:23 <EricBlade> my android tab isn't even connecting to the internet
Jun 03 01:00:31 <rwatkins> the hoops apple makes people jump thru for a 'feature' http://blog.instapaper.com/post/24293729146
Jun 03 01:01:20 <EricBlade> clever
Jun 03 01:01:37 <rwatkins> very clever, but the fact that they ahve to hack it this way .. geesh.
Jun 03 01:02:06 <dwc-> EricBlade: mine sent
Jun 03 01:02:26 <rwatkins> if this was on Windows Phone Marco would be going 'windows is shit - the crap you have to do to sync you app data'
Jun 03 01:02:50 <EricBlade> dwc-: thank you. i wonder what's going on with my account
Jun 03 01:03:02 <rwatkins> but i guess if you've drunk the koolaid ..
Jun 03 01:03:04 <dwc-> I heard the company next door to mine talking, apparently apple rejected their app for having a too-rounded icon
Jun 03 01:03:25 <rwatkins> dwc-: ha!
Jun 03 01:09:42 <EricBlade> dwc-: apparently i can send from my test account via android as well. hmm
Jun 03 01:11:40 <EricBlade> hmm. so i plug in to diagnose the problem, and it starts working.  oook. must've been a temporary failure
Jun 03 01:12:17 <EricBlade> it also just took 8 minutes to get a notification to my iOS and Androids, whereas they normally appear instantly
Jun 03 01:51:06 <fxspec06> i think tomorrow i'm going to submit
Jun 03 01:51:29 <fxspec06> https://twitter.com/fxspec06/status/209099002858319872 five new screenshots. not a whole lot new, jsut some styling
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