**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 04 02:59:58 2012
Jun 04 07:14:30 <EricBlade> app catalog working for anyone else on touchpad?  mine's not .. works from my phones thugh
Jun 04 07:15:34 <EricBlade> nvm just acme up
Jun 04 07:30:35 <rrix> Okay, running subsonic on my server again, time to see if EricBlade gets my money :P
Jun 04 07:31:01 * rrix really dislikes that subsonic uses filesystem layout for music organization, as my collection is a huge disaster
Jun 04 07:52:35 <rrix> search works well enough
Jun 04 08:11:15 <rrix> EricBlade: You're probably the wrong person to ask, but I can't find any subsonic support anywhere; have you configured Jukebox mode on subsonic before? I can't make it owkr
Jun 04 08:13:18 <rrix> Just silence and not output in logs :\
Jun 04 08:25:25 <rrix> aha, there is a log
Jun 04 08:34:15 <EricBlade> rrix: i haven't really had any problems with it, though i use the windows server
Jun 04 08:34:45 <EricBlade> The next version of the server has a lot of stuff in it for organizing by tag
Jun 04 08:38:02 <EricBlade> i don't know how complete it's going to be, i haven't really got into any of the new stuff in the api, other then extensions to the existing calls
Jun 04 08:50:58 <rrix> Right on
Jun 04 08:51:14 <rrix> Got the jukebox stuff working by diddling with some java settings
Jun 04 08:53:41 <EricBlade> i think my favorite thing is the ability to be playing something on both the jukebox and the mobile, and switch back and forth between controlling each one on the fly.  not that anyone ever asked for that feature or uses it, but i thought it'd be cool
Jun 04 08:54:25 <rrix> How do I switch to jukebox?
Jun 04 08:54:36 <EricBlade> OH that reminds me, i can use that to control the computer attached to my TV .. next time one of the kids gets on it, they are going to get an ear ful
Jun 04 08:54:42 <EricBlade> :)
Jun 04 08:54:51 <EricBlade> jukebox control is on the app menu on phones
Jun 04 08:55:07 <EricBlade> toggle it on, and all the player controls should control the jukebox instead of the phone
Jun 04 08:55:27 <rrix> On the pre3 all i have is help/about and dashboard
Jun 04 08:59:47 <EricBlade> it thinks your user account doesn't have jukebox access then .. ?
Jun 04 09:00:35 <EricBlade> and if I can figure out how to make this "Classic.WebService" kind that I picked up out of the gallery work, then I can get 2.0 talking
Jun 04 09:00:40 <rrix> hmmm
Jun 04 09:00:44 <rrix> it's admin
Jun 04 09:00:56 <rrix> I see a spinner in the bottom left where the jukebox would be on touchpad
Jun 04 09:02:40 <rrix> The same user can jukebox locally
Jun 04 09:02:43 <EricBlade> hmm. my pre3 isn't getting past the load screen
Jun 04 09:02:49 <rrix> e ikes
Jun 04 09:02:51 <rrix> Yikes
Jun 04 09:04:51 <EricBlade> hmm
Jun 04 09:06:25 <EricBlade> i'm .. not sure.  i seem to recall there having been a problem where jukebox wouldn't enable under some condition but i thought i fixed it
Jun 04 09:06:46 <EricBlade> but if you had it working on touchpad, it should work on pre
Jun 04 09:08:06 <EricBlade> wifi on the pre3 was turned off, even though the icon was on
Jun 04 09:08:45 * rrix tuckerboxes it over to touchpad
Jun 04 09:09:03 <EricBlade> doesn't seem to have fixed it though
Jun 04 09:13:59 <rrix> same spinner on tp
Jun 04 09:18:16 <EricBlade> do you have the jukebox switch on the touchpad?
Jun 04 09:18:27 <EricBlade> i think i .. may have broke jukebox on phones.
Jun 04 09:18:35 <rrix> Just the spinner where it should have a switch
Jun 04 09:18:51 <rrix> do i need a licensed subsonic or something?
Jun 04 09:19:45 <EricBlade> shouldn't need it no
Jun 04 09:19:57 <rrix> hrm
Jun 04 09:20:27 <EricBlade> what the hell.. the enableJukebox() call is missing
Jun 04 09:21:23 <rrix> heh
Jun 04 09:21:40 <rrix> enyo needs a damned working test suite library
Jun 04 09:25:08 <EricBlade> ok, found it
Jun 04 09:25:26 <EricBlade> i apparently made a function for it to avoid some duplication of code, and then never actually called it. or something like that
Jun 04 09:25:46 <EricBlade> the toggle switch should come up as long as the user has jukeboxRole == true
Jun 04 09:26:03 <EricBlade> it may be broken on phones because i accidentally specified two appmenu kinds
Jun 04 09:27:08 <EricBlade> do you get a Save Playlist button?
Jun 04 09:27:18 <EricBlade> if you have files in your device's playlist
Jun 04 09:29:45 <rrix> let's look
Jun 04 09:30:01 <rrix> Yes, i do, EricBlade
Jun 04 09:30:12 <rrix> sorry, there are bros in my yard I had to yell at
Jun 04 09:30:35 <EricBlade> ok if Save Playlist is lighting up, it's receiving your user information
Jun 04 09:31:17 <EricBlade> any chance you might be able to see if there's any errors in the log for com.ericblade.xo ?
Jun 04 09:31:35 <EricBlade> particularly in a receivedUser or receivedUserInfo function?
Jun 04 09:31:56 <rrix> Sure
Jun 04 09:35:39 <rrix> Ugh, muffle system logging patch
Jun 04 09:35:44 <rrix> why do I even have that still?
Jun 04 09:36:03 * rrix restarts luna
Jun 04 09:39:20 <rrix> No errors, EricBlade
Jun 04 09:39:42 <rrix> a warning for "executing pending window params, but no params found, enyo-build.js:6242"
Jun 04 09:44:11 <EricBlade> that's normal
Jun 04 09:44:40 <EricBlade> i'm going to have to look into it more later, i've got to get some sleep before work
Jun 04 09:45:01 <EricBlade> i'll let you know what i come up with
Jun 04 09:45:08 <EricBlade> let me know if you come up with anything
Jun 04 09:46:39 <rrix> ok
Jun 04 09:46:42 <rrix> Cool
Jun 04 09:46:49 <rrix> I'll take a look in the morning, I should be sleeping myself
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Jun 04 15:57:56 <SimpsonTP> can I post a user question here as well '
Jun 04 16:04:26 <madnificent> SimpsonTP: you can!
Jun 04 16:05:22 <SimpsonTP> I have issue where a captiveportal goes in a frantic reload on both a touchpad and a veer
Jun 04 16:05:46 <SimpsonTP> also if I load the page in a browser directly this happens as well
Jun 04 16:06:54 * madnificent doesn't have the faintest idea about the answer.  doesn't understand the captive portal, sees the icon regularly
Jun 04 19:03:38 * fxspec06 peeks in
Jun 04 19:49:23 <lemonade`> what's the correct way to make a button in Mojo? If I don't use x-mojo-element="Button" in the button div, I get a button that doesn't visually react to being pressed, but if I do use it, I get another button overlaid on top of it, which does get visually pressed, but is also slightly different than the button underneath it (it has a slightly darker border). anybody know what obvious thing I'm doing wrong?
Jun 04 19:56:38 <lemonade`> here's the view http://pastebin.com/Wtczkq0e and assistant (functions that I changed from the new_app template) http://pastebin.com/sszG95HP
Jun 04 19:57:56 <Tibfib_> remove  class="palm-button"
Jun 04 19:58:36 <Tibfib_> … and why are you using mojo?
Jun 04 19:58:52 <hotdp> lol was thinking the same
Jun 04 19:59:10 <lemonade`> thanks, that did it. I'm using Mojo because I'm developing for the Pixi. as far as I know Enyo isn't on it?
Jun 04 19:59:38 <Tibfib_> lemonade`: ah well it just depends
Jun 04 19:59:40 <lemonade`> I also had the impression that Enyo didn't quite have feature parity with Mojo
Jun 04 19:59:53 <Tibfib_> that's not true
Jun 04 20:00:13 <Tibfib_> lemonade`: is this a personal project or are you intending to sell this?
Jun 04 20:00:17 <lemonade`> both
Jun 04 20:00:32 <hotdp> wow
Jun 04 20:00:40 <lemonade`> hotdp: what?
Jun 04 20:00:45 <Tibfib_> hmm, well you won't make much money since no one has a pixi.
Jun 04 20:00:57 <Tibfib_> but if you are doing it for personal use, go for it with mojo
Jun 04 20:01:03 <hotdp> Its just, its Mojo
Jun 04 20:01:06 <lemonade`> I know, but I like the Pixi
Jun 04 20:01:14 <hotdp> its like coding  for c64:D
Jun 04 20:02:05 <Tibfib_> I think this part of my app works. woot
Jun 04 20:02:20 <lemonade`> so enyo is The Better Way for Pixi apps too?
Jun 04 20:02:38 <Tibfib_> no, probably not
Jun 04 20:03:46 <lemonade`> so why did you ask why I was using mojo?
Jun 04 20:04:05 <hotdp> The devices are not sold any more
Jun 04 20:04:19 <hotdp> So you will prop not sell a lot
Jun 04 20:04:34 <lemonade`> ok
Jun 04 20:06:21 <Tibfib_> woohoo!
Jun 04 20:06:27 <Tibfib_> now onto other things
Jun 04 20:07:07 <lemonade`> so in the Developer Guide at https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/all-about-widgets/buttons-and-selectors.html it says "Framework appearance: <div id="myButton" class="palm-button">Button</div>"... that's incorrect?
Jun 04 20:07:36 <summatusmentis> does anyone have any experience with struts rest plugin JSON stuff?
Jun 04 20:08:26 <Tibfib_> lemonade`: ummmmm
Jun 04 20:08:28 <Tibfib_> that is a sample of what the widget looks like in html once it is created
Jun 04 20:08:54 <Tibfib_> read this: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/all-about-widgets/anatomy-of-a-widget.html
Jun 04 20:11:33 <lemonade`> Tibfib_: ah ok. so the thing I linked to is just background behind-the-scenes stuff
Jun 04 20:11:47 <Tibfib_> yeah, I believe so
Jun 04 20:11:52 <lemonade`> cool. thanks!
Jun 04 20:12:18 <Tibfib_> np
Jun 04 20:39:54 <acidhax> well
Jun 04 20:39:57 <acidhax> tbh, Enyo sucks
Jun 04 20:40:07 <acidhax> coding something that should be markup
Jun 04 20:40:10 <acidhax> zzz murder
Jun 04 20:40:32 <summatusmentis> then go code in markup
Jun 04 20:40:44 <acidhax> code in markup?
Jun 04 20:40:53 <acidhax> that...
Jun 04 20:41:17 <panel> hi guys
Jun 04 20:41:26 <summatusmentis> whatever, you know precisely what I mean
Jun 04 20:41:36 <acidhax> I actually don't
Jun 04 20:41:55 <summatusmentis> "coding something that should be markup". If you don't want to use enyo, go use markup
Jun 04 20:41:57 <acidhax> you can use markup in Enyo?
Jun 04 20:42:05 <hotdp> lol
Jun 04 20:42:18 <summatusmentis> no one actually cares what you use
Jun 04 20:42:23 <acidhax> you're mean
Jun 04 20:42:45 * halfhalo omnomnoms popcorn
Jun 04 20:42:47 <summatusmentis> I'm frank, and perhaps a bit blunt, but I've never said anything mean
Jun 04 20:43:08 <acidhax> either way, it would be awesome if all you had to do was apply classes to some div's and gets the same styling that Enyo gives
Jun 04 20:43:36 <acidhax> I tried to learn Enyo the other day and raged in my pants
Jun 04 20:43:40 <acidhax> it made me upset
Jun 04 20:44:17 <RagingMind> we really do not need to know about anything that happens in your pants
Jun 04 20:44:20 <summatusmentis> if you think of a kind as a wrapper div with some internally stuff, and JS control functions, it gets you pretty close
Jun 04 20:44:24 <acidhax> LOL
Jun 04 20:45:07 <hotdp> acidhax:if you hate it so much.Why use it? Why here?
Jun 04 20:45:11 <acidhax> like <div class="..." style="" data-bind="kind: Columns">
Jun 04 20:45:12 <summatusmentis> this.
Jun 04 20:45:27 <summatusmentis> acidhax: no
Jun 04 20:45:31 <summatusmentis> not like that.
Jun 04 20:45:32 <acidhax> that would be the great world
Jun 04 20:46:45 <acidhax> I could probably make it
Jun 04 20:46:51 <acidhax> hmm
Jun 04 20:47:04 * acidhax writes it in his idea.txt
Jun 04 20:47:33 <acidhax> All I'd have to do is parse the markup and generate the Enyo objects from the data- attributes
Jun 04 20:48:01 <acidhax> hilarious, Markup -> Objects -> Enyo -> Markup
Jun 04 20:48:50 <summatusmentis> are you trying to use knockoutjs w/ enyo?
Jun 04 20:48:55 <summatusmentis> is that your issue?
Jun 04 20:48:57 <acidhax> nono
Jun 04 20:49:01 <acidhax> that makes me rage too
Jun 04 20:49:14 <acidhax> I'm more of a backbone type
Jun 04 20:49:17 <summatusmentis> you can assign attributes in enyo
Jun 04 20:49:43 <acidhax> Yeah, I want 1% of my code to contain things that should be solely in markup land
Jun 04 20:50:37 <acidhax> I don't see why this wouldn't work..
Jun 04 20:50:39 <acidhax> hoommssss
Jun 04 20:51:18 <summatusmentis> I don't understand why you're not just doing it the way you want to, instead of complaining about the way you don't want to
Jun 04 20:52:02 <acidhax> I like Enyo and what it does, I don't like -how- it does it. So, I'll make it do what I want it to.
Jun 04 20:52:34 <lemonade`> is there a doc on making different styles, or is it just a matter of overriding the CSS classes that are already applied? Isn't there another Palm/HP provided style, like a dark style or something?
Jun 04 20:56:42 <lemonade`> oh I found it... nevermind
Jun 04 20:56:44 <acidhax> so I could template the enyo.Control, <div data-bind="kind: 'Control', name: 'BigButton'"><div data-bind="name: 'hello'"</div></div>...etc
Jun 04 20:57:16 <acidhax> that way I could separate its "view" from the handlers, etc.
Jun 04 20:57:52 <acidhax> when it loads, it creats the enyo.kind({}); from the dom
Jun 04 20:58:29 <acidhax> sets its components from the child dom elements
Jun 04 20:58:47 <acidhax> (am I missing something here?
Jun 04 21:00:21 <acidhax> anywho, maybe I'll get a POC working tonight and stop b n c'ing all over my pants
Jun 04 21:24:07 * madnificent is still frustrated about the speed in which sellers respond.  does it really need to take a week to buy a device?  it's rather simple, i assumed.
Jun 04 21:25:46 <fxspec06> heh
Jun 04 21:25:56 * fxspec06 submitting Game On! for playbook
Jun 04 21:27:34 <fxspec06> noooooo don't crash FF
Jun 04 22:12:19 <Tibfib_> anyone have any feedback on this? Quick question 4 NomNomNom users: do you like how the app shows the feeds when you tap on a folder or would you rather it went to articles?
Jun 04 22:12:22 <Tibfib_> (from twitter)
Jun 05 02:25:57 <Tibfib_> css is teh worst
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