**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 15 02:59:59 2012 Jun 15 03:05:47 gonna give this a try and see how far I get https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_with_the_eclipse_ide.html#InstallingEclipsewiththeSDK-InstallingEclipseandthePlugIns Jun 15 03:40:08 hey all Jun 15 03:40:10 whats going on? Jun 15 03:44:11 NOTHING Jun 15 03:44:49 ABC is about to be stabbed for going blank during the game Jun 15 03:45:21 * bigbluehat is trying to get the webOS SDK tooling in place... Jun 15 03:45:28 * bigbluehat is as far as "Connection refused" in Eclipse Jun 15 03:45:32 beyond that...not much Jun 15 03:50:28 PatrickC: you do webOS dev, yes? Jun 15 03:50:37 yeah Jun 15 03:50:42 do you use the SDK? or just dev in Chrome and package with the cli tools? Jun 15 03:50:59 i use the SDK. but i only use the cli tools Jun 15 03:51:03 no need for anything more :) Jun 15 03:51:12 ah...yeah, was trying Eclipse... Jun 15 03:51:17 but seems I may also need the SDK Jun 15 03:51:23 tho the docs left that bit out >_< Jun 15 03:51:35 "4 mins left"...on the SDK dwnld Jun 15 03:51:54 PatrickC: what apps are yours? Jun 15 03:51:55 the SDK is needed for using Eclipse, yes :) Jun 15 03:51:58 i used to use ecliple Jun 15 03:52:00 bah Jun 15 03:52:05 woulda saved me some time Jun 15 03:52:06 Project Macaw is the only one worth mentioning :P Jun 15 03:52:11 im one of the core-contributors on it Jun 15 03:52:11 :) Jun 15 03:52:20 yeah, saw that one...not tried it yet tho Jun 15 03:52:24 nice Jun 15 03:52:27 why not? :) Jun 15 03:52:29 and the others? :) Jun 15 03:52:36 * bigbluehat has no idea, actually Jun 15 03:52:42 they're just sound boards and flashlights lol Jun 15 03:52:47 from like 2 years ago Jun 15 03:52:49 woot! ;) Jun 15 03:52:52 haha Jun 15 03:52:58 * bigbluehat wants a fireplace app ;) Jun 15 03:53:04 i need to get back to development... Jun 15 03:53:11 * PatrickC started an app like that :) Jun 15 03:53:14 lol Jun 15 03:53:15 haha Jun 15 03:53:16 nice Jun 15 03:53:25 webOS does webGL, yes? Jun 15 03:53:27 epically failed at it tho :P Jun 15 03:53:32 that im not sure of Jun 15 03:53:36 sad....was so hopeful ;) Jun 15 03:53:41 hmm...k Jun 15 03:53:46 does canvas of course Jun 15 03:53:51 * bigbluehat wonders about Three.js Jun 15 03:53:59 well...first things first... Jun 15 03:54:03 devmode + cli tools Jun 15 03:56:14 PatrickC: not finding the macaw in the app store Jun 15 03:56:41 preware only right now.. which reminds me.. i need to fix that :P Jun 15 03:58:11 :) Jun 15 03:59:55 yo! something totally is on my touchpad! :D Jun 15 03:59:57 l33t Jun 15 04:00:18 it ain't a touchpad app, but I can see it :) Jun 15 04:00:20 +1 Jun 15 04:00:59 errr...guess I didn't close that session correct >_< Jun 15 04:01:21 eclipse UI failed Jun 15 04:02:41 lol Jun 15 04:03:06 so...from the CLI :) Jun 15 04:03:15 * bigbluehat checked out this https://github.com/enyojs/bootplate Jun 15 04:03:23 and now I want to throw it on my TP Jun 15 04:03:57 hmm...that may not be the way to go Jun 15 04:04:01 * bigbluehat trys palm-gen Jun 15 04:07:08 woot! +2 for the CLI :D Jun 15 04:09:18 lol Jun 15 04:10:20 PatrickC: is Ctrl+C the best way to kill palm-run? Jun 15 04:10:28 best as in healthiest? :) Jun 15 04:10:41 hmm... well, i don't normally use palm-run :P Jun 15 04:10:43 but yes Jun 15 04:10:46 i believe it is Jun 15 04:11:37 my commands are "palm-package ..." "palm-install *.ipk" "palm-log -f com.mydomain.appname" Jun 15 04:12:17 ah. Jun 15 04:12:20 is that better? Jun 15 04:12:25 or...how is that better? :) Jun 15 04:12:45 that just packages the app, installs the app, then follows the logs :) Jun 15 04:12:58 but you do those as individual commands, and those arent the actual commands lol Jun 15 04:12:59 brb Jun 15 04:13:05 the docs for my palm-run says Jun 15 04:13:15 Use Ctrl-C to terminate. Jun 15 04:13:25 ah...look at you readin' the docs dwc- :) Jun 15 04:13:27 tnx Jun 15 04:13:42 dwc-: long time no talk Jun 15 04:14:17 is there an Enyo 1.0 way to generate a calendar table? Jun 15 04:14:21 i'll ask in here too, as this relates to this channel as well as webOS-internals :) Jun 15 04:14:25 or should I just shop for one in general JS land Jun 15 04:15:23 what would you like to see the "Homebrew Pivot" named? Jun 15 04:15:23 (yes, it's still alive :) ) Jun 15 04:17:12 Tovip :D Jun 15 04:17:16 k...I'm out ;) Jun 15 04:17:17 'night all Jun 15 04:17:49 bigbluehat: if you don't mind me asking.. whats that name for? :P Jun 15 04:17:53 (if you're still on) Jun 15 04:18:06 Pivot Jun 15 04:18:12 Homebrew edition Jun 15 04:18:21 it's just Pivot backwards Jun 15 04:18:30 :-P Jun 15 04:18:30 lol Jun 15 04:18:40 someone suggested ToVIP :) Jun 15 04:18:45 it's a bad idea don't do it! :) Jun 15 04:18:46 ha! Jun 15 04:18:49 much better :D Jun 15 04:18:55 same as your's, just with different capitalization lol Jun 15 04:18:58 POVit Jun 15 04:19:05 Proveit! :P Jun 15 04:19:09 ProveIt* Jun 15 04:19:11 woot! Jun 15 04:19:12 that's it Jun 15 04:19:19 divot Jun 15 04:19:24 heh Jun 15 04:19:40 * bigbluehat lugs out thesaurus.com Jun 15 04:20:00 lol Jun 15 04:20:04 axle :D Jun 15 04:20:13 kingpin! Jun 15 04:20:18 fulcrum's nice... Jun 15 04:20:23 hinge Jun 15 04:20:40 pisa Jun 15 04:20:59 = pivot is sorta alive Jun 15 04:21:17 yeah...waiting on the summer ed Jun 15 04:21:23 * bigbluehat hopes they keep it happenin Jun 15 04:21:52 bigbluehat: that's what we aim to fix :P Jun 15 04:21:59 whether Pivot itself stays alive, i can't say Jun 15 04:22:06 but i can say that the hombrew version will :) Jun 15 04:22:28 yeah, we need that too, I think Jun 15 04:23:04 diversify sanity :) Jun 15 04:23:14 too much company ownership in my life as it is Jun 15 04:23:24 long live OPEN SOURCE!!!1!! Jun 15 04:23:27 ....night all :) Jun 15 04:23:34 (for realz) Jun 15 04:23:43 lol.. night Jun 15 04:38:11 invalidopcode: hey Jun 15 04:38:23 hey PatrickC Jun 15 08:02:30 bigbluehat: all you need to do to get a web app going, is add an appinfo.json to it Jun 15 08:03:39 bigbluehat: ok going through the backlog .. no, webOS does not currently do webGL. Only webGL support on mobile is on the PlayBook, for now. I believe that Isis has webGL support, however I'm not quite sure how to build it with it. Jun 15 08:04:20 PatrickC: palm-run does a palm-package, then palm-install, then palm-log Jun 15 08:05:36 bigbluehat: there's a webos-ext module that CanuckCoder contributed to the Enyo 2.0 gallery, which allows easy support for webOS in Enyo 2 Jun 15 11:59:59 doesn't the touchpad support @font-face, or am i doing something odd wrong? Jun 15 12:05:32 i don't get it... for a device that was to be so web-centric, how can this be the case? Jun 15 12:05:39 * madnificent reboots to android to check it out there Jun 15 12:06:06 * madnificent doesn't like rebooting to android Jun 15 12:08:45 * hotdp doesn't like android Jun 15 12:12:14 hotdp: there are three reasons why you don't want to boot to android: Jun 15 12:12:20 1) you don't want android Jun 15 12:12:26 2) you're not in webos anymore Jun 15 12:12:31 3) it takes ages to get back into webos Jun 15 12:12:40 either case, android is teh bork as well Jun 15 12:12:51 it runs in firefox, but it doesn't run in dolphin Jun 15 12:13:01 ironically, it's a site about fish, so... Jun 15 12:13:24 W T F Jun 15 12:20:31 either case, does anyone have a clue as to how i could change the font size of a bunch of elements in case @font-face is not supported? that way i can make it all look 'right' on browsers that don't support @font-face (which ironically isn't IE this time) Jun 15 12:21:42 do you ask if androidsupport fontface? Jun 15 12:22:00 no, i wanted to know for webos Jun 15 12:22:05 android supports it based on the browser Jun 15 12:22:11 dolphin doesn't support it, firefox for android does Jun 15 12:22:45 oki Jun 15 12:23:03 i want to know it by some javascript or something like that Jun 15 12:23:17 that way i can load a 'fixing' stylesheet for browsers that don't support @font-face Jun 15 12:23:43 basically: i'm using ubuntu mono, which takes up less space than what they seem to use by default (all of them) making the menu look awful Jun 15 12:50:44 EricBlade: all fabulous, thanks! Jun 15 12:50:57 madnificent: have you tried running html5test.com from your webOS device? Jun 15 12:53:45 bigbluehat: that test is not making me happy Jun 15 12:53:53 * madnificent forgot about it, had ran it before on the veer Jun 15 12:54:57 yeah...sorry man Jun 15 12:55:10 useful...not inspiring... Jun 15 12:55:33 the name webos suddenly feels like a bad joke ;) Jun 15 12:56:41 fascinatingly, though, it looks like HTML5 support in webOS supports Ogg Vorbis Jun 15 12:56:49 whereas the audio app in webOS does not Jun 15 12:57:02 and it's the reverse for MP3 support Jun 15 12:57:25 webfonts isn't supported fully on android either so i should probably find a different solution either way Jun 15 12:57:57 bigbluehat: that doesn't make sense. doesn't sound like streamlined development to me. Jun 15 12:58:01 oh nice! outerHTML support Jun 15 12:58:02 handy Jun 15 12:58:24 madnificent: yeah...sounded odd to me too Jun 15 12:58:33 it's likely tho that the audio app is using some PDK style thing Jun 15 12:58:36 gstreamer, maybe Jun 15 12:58:45 who knows tho Jun 15 12:58:49 probably Jun 15 12:59:05 gonna try an ogg file in the browser here Real Soon Now™ ;) Jun 15 13:01:21 also odd no custom protocol, content type, or (according to this) custom search engine handling in the browser Jun 15 13:01:35 I'd thought some of that at least would have been core to how webOS was built Jun 15 13:38:44 * madnificent thinks he'll have to use even mor images Jun 15 13:51:04 EricBlade: i forgot that palm-run did all those things... lol Jun 15 13:51:06 * PatrickC fails Jun 15 14:30:20 so, my pre2 got stuck in headset mode yesterday. I was able to get it out, but it frightens me Jun 15 14:30:27 has anyone else had any experience with this? Jun 15 14:49:40 yep Jun 15 14:49:48 just the other day with my pre2 Jun 15 14:50:05 I thought the proximity sensor was broken Jun 15 14:50:15 I've never had it happen, but there's an app called the ghastly headset Jun 15 14:51:22 madnificent: but dolphins aren't fish ... ;) Jun 15 14:54:08 acidhax: I'm more worried it's an indication that my hardware is failing slowly Jun 15 14:54:18 summatusmentis, nah its a problem with palm's design Jun 15 14:54:22 been there since day 1 Jun 15 14:55:17 that's not... better? Jun 15 14:55:46 well, it's an issue, not a "pending failure" Jun 15 14:56:10 I've never experienced it before now Jun 15 14:56:15 is it more likely to happen again? Jun 15 14:56:19 no Jun 15 14:56:28 it was just how you pulled out the headphones Jun 15 14:56:47 make sure its clear of lint :) Jun 15 14:56:58 yeh Jun 15 14:57:13 gunk can make the sensor think its still pushed Jun 15 14:57:52 alright, that's slightly reassuring Jun 15 14:59:24 like I said, bad design -- not impending failure Jun 15 14:59:58 yeh Jun 15 15:00:01 alright Jun 15 15:03:20 summatusmentis: i have had it happen to me multiple times Jun 15 15:03:32 its just a metal spur gets stuck in the headphone jack (from my experiences) Jun 15 15:03:42 easiest way to fix it is to put the headphone connector in and out a few timews Jun 15 15:03:45 times* Jun 15 15:03:49 that's what I did Jun 15 15:04:01 now I just need to decide how much I want to deal with it Jun 15 15:04:04 I use headphones a lot Jun 15 15:05:12 summatusmentis: i just bought bluetooth headphones Jun 15 15:05:14 lol Jun 15 15:05:48 I don't like the sound quality of bluetooth headphones Jun 15 15:11:10 the ones i got were really nice Jun 15 15:11:17 Plantronics Backbeat 903+ Jun 15 15:11:22 * PatrickC is off to cut the lawn Jun 15 15:11:23 bbl Jun 15 15:15:46 yeah Jun 15 15:15:53 I bought my girlfriend a pair of those Jun 15 15:16:04 she loves it Jun 15 15:16:16 paired it with her BB and ipod, and the ipod music will pause when she gets a phone call Jun 15 19:46:51 whats up everyone? Jun 15 20:10:09 * madnificent is building a zupah secrit micro-web-service Jun 15 20:36:42 PatrickC: yu sent me to get what me how to use those files you sent me to get whatsapp working Jun 15 20:36:55 whoa that missed a few characters Jun 15 20:37:10 PatrickC: you were going to tell me how to use those files you sent me to get whatsapp working Jun 15 20:37:21 i guess it reorganized my input Jun 15 20:48:37 herrooo **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 16 02:59:58 2012