**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 18 02:59:58 2012 Jun 18 03:00:06 i really really hate dealing with scoping issues in javascript Jun 18 03:00:20 or more specifically, "this" Jun 18 03:24:26 arrrrrrrrrgh Jun 18 04:11:58 EricBlade: having trouble with gvoice? Jun 18 04:12:17 PatrickC: whazaa Jun 18 04:12:32 EricBlade: OOOOO I WANNA TEST! :) Jun 18 04:12:56 if i sent it to you all you'd get is "ReferenceError"s lol Jun 18 04:13:09 haha Jun 18 04:13:49 of course, a big thing in WA is contacts, and i haven't the slightest idea how to get or send them at this tiem Jun 18 04:14:13 that sounds fun... Jun 18 04:14:19 reverse engineering it? Jun 18 04:14:21 WA that is Jun 18 04:14:21 nor do i have any idea if this is actually going to work in webos Jun 18 04:14:50 sort of using wazapp and whatsapi as guides Jun 18 04:14:52 still playing off the python code? Jun 18 04:15:42 well my login stuff is still based on whatsapi, but now that i'm moving over to webos, i'm more looking at wazapp's python Jun 18 04:16:39 ah Jun 18 04:16:41 it's ugly. but the first version of anything i write is always horrible Jun 18 04:17:51 anything i write is horibble Jun 18 04:17:55 horrible* haha Jun 18 04:20:27 it really really pisses me off when the "Find in Files" function in KomodoEdit breaks for no reason Jun 18 04:21:23 hence why i use Sublime Text 2 Jun 18 04:24:03 i wonder if this would be any faster going to an emulator instead of a real device Jun 18 04:24:57 or to Chrome Jun 18 04:27:33 i can't run node.js stuff in chrome silly Jun 18 04:27:47 yeah come on PatrickC Jun 18 04:27:58 meh... thats what you get for using node :P Jun 18 04:28:23 if you tell me how to get WA working on a TouchPad, though, that'd be pretty awesome Jun 18 04:30:14 EricBlade: easy, picket WA HQ, tell them you won't leave till they give you the API Jun 18 04:30:40 PatrickC: i meant on my CM7 pad Jun 18 04:30:55 EricBlade: easier, activate it on a carrier with a phone number :) Jun 18 04:31:01 EricBlade: trick your cm7 into thinking its a phone Jun 18 04:31:29 invalidopcode: only problem with that is that WA sends a text to whatever number the phone says it has, and check to see if it recieves the text Jun 18 04:31:53 that's fine as long as i can define the phone number it sends to Jun 18 04:32:01 yeah I was going to say the same thing Jun 18 04:32:08 EricBlade: i can't even use WA on my unactivated Android phone Jun 18 04:32:27 you sent me some files with some cryptic instructions on how to get it to work Jun 18 04:32:31 EricBlade: im sure you can, if you browse the code and make it a defined statement rather then a var Jun 18 04:32:49 EricBlade: at the time, i thought it was just downloading and installing the APK, i found out later that it was more then that lol Jun 18 04:33:09 on PlayBook, you just input whatever phone number, but then it apparently has a communications breakdown later, after you verify it Jun 18 04:33:11 it uses whatever phone number you activated it on period, and needs root to get the proper files. i don't have any devices i can do that with, sadly Jun 18 04:33:56 funny thing, it uses your device id number Jun 18 04:34:03 as a password Jun 18 04:34:14 which i presume is something that is easily available Jun 18 04:35:12 i could write an android app that harvests people's WhatsApp accounts Jun 18 04:35:33 because they literally have almost no security at all Jun 18 04:37:19 EricBlade: I think someone already did that Jun 18 04:37:33 lol Jun 18 04:37:39 * PatrickC points to invalidopcode Jun 18 04:38:13 you could also easily write an app that once installed on an android will prevent a person from logging into whatsapp Jun 18 04:38:40 and because there's no code approval whatsoever, no one would ever really be any wiser Jun 18 04:38:41 * invalidopcode smirks Jun 18 04:39:10 EricBlade: until a smart person looked at the code to figure out why they couldn't log into whatsapp Jun 18 04:39:12 lol Jun 18 04:39:39 my guess is they would first have to associate the app with the problem Jun 18 04:40:03 yeah Jun 18 04:40:29 Android is a really shitty mobile platform Jun 18 04:40:34 any smart person would say "hey, whatsapp was working before i installed the last few apps.. what apps were those again...? oh yeah, the whatsapp harvester! it must not have been a plugin at all" Jun 18 04:40:36 :) Jun 18 04:40:38 unless you happen to like viruses and shit Jun 18 04:41:05 well attach it to something entirely unrelated Jun 18 04:41:22 anything that would have a reasonable excuse to ask for the device id permission Jun 18 04:41:22 build it into a fart app Jun 18 04:41:29 no one will ever suspect it Jun 18 04:41:40 or since everyone just blindly hits "accept" anyway, a fart app, right Jun 18 04:42:36 EricBlade: i can't tell u the last time i looked at what permissions an app used before i download it lol Jun 18 04:42:45 i just have anti-virus that runs all the time :) Jun 18 04:42:59 point proven Jun 18 04:43:11 * invalidopcode actually looks at the permissions Jun 18 04:43:32 meh, i never keep important things on my android devices Jun 18 04:43:36 if i were 15-year-old me with this, i'd have already written something that would harvest the device ids, and then do something with them Jun 18 04:43:39 if someone wants to get ahold of it, more power to them :P Jun 18 04:44:34 collect all the ids, and then at some random point in the future, deny them all Jun 18 04:44:50 dang.... VIM is 24MB? wow Jun 18 04:44:52 so it wouldn't even be related to an app Jun 18 04:44:54 lol Jun 18 04:45:26 EricBlade: or evilly access people's acounts and change the numbers of their contacts around Jun 18 04:45:42 oh wouldn't that be fun.... and very evil Jun 18 04:45:44 invalidopcode: or sends out random texts to random contacts Jun 18 04:45:49 haha Jun 18 04:46:17 * invalidopcode provides all ideas as joke and does not claim responsibility for anything Jun 18 04:46:34 * PatrickC will blame invalidopcode when he ends up in court Jun 18 04:47:10 change all their contacts to Harry Potter names Jun 18 04:47:16 * invalidopcode will deny knowing PatrickC Jun 18 04:47:18 haha Jun 18 04:47:34 * PatrickC has contact info for invalidopcode... as well as email conversations :) Jun 18 04:48:02 that's actually pretty scary considering all the things that could be done with nothing more than the device id, which is something any app can ask for Jun 18 04:48:36 why am i writing this again? Jun 18 04:48:41 lol Jun 18 04:48:48 oh, yeah, because there are a lot of people that offered 3 digit cash amounts Jun 18 04:49:01 ooooo... need help? for a cut? :P Jun 18 04:49:02 like... .001? :) Jun 18 04:49:07 hahahah Jun 18 04:49:36 * invalidopcode could make those emails disappear :) Jun 18 04:50:49 * PatrickC has them backed up on multiple servers *creepy laugh* Jun 18 04:51:49 if i have to reset everything because novacom has decided to fark off again, i'm going to go briefly insane Jun 18 04:51:49 * invalidopcode only smiles Jun 18 04:53:43 my next router upgrade is going to be a professional model Jun 18 04:55:45 gentlemen, we have something vaguely resembling success. Jun 18 04:55:46 http://pastebin.com/DJHAcTPJ Jun 18 04:55:59 * invalidopcode claps Jun 18 04:56:11 could someone WhatsApp me a message to 19519993267 Jun 18 04:56:31 * invalidopcode looks a PatrickC Jun 18 04:56:41 invalidopcode: i guess so... :P Jun 18 04:56:46 lemme fire up WA on the Evo LTE Jun 18 04:56:56 well, download it first :) Jun 18 04:57:22 wwowww Jun 18 04:57:35 wait, i forgot i had it on the lumia Jun 18 04:58:12 but its crappy on WP7.. :S Jun 18 04:58:50 just pick a phone and send the man a message :P Jun 18 04:59:04 haha Jun 18 05:01:04 sent, horrible spelling, but sent EricBlade :P Jun 18 05:01:44 hmm. i received something Jun 18 05:01:47 apparently a chat request Jun 18 05:03:05 EricBlade: and you also know that whatsapp is a paid service, right? Jun 18 05:03:30 they claim like $1 a year or something right Jun 18 05:05:01 yep Jun 18 05:07:23 http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1704.html Jun 18 05:18:38 now actually parsing real messages gets to be less fun Jun 18 05:19:21 EricBlade: im starting to use google voice more now that im getting review devices, get to work on the phone integration on webOS :) Jun 18 05:21:22 i can't really progress any further unless i can get something to legitimately send/receive messages Jun 18 05:22:22 i guess i can go make a second account Jun 18 05:28:27 or not, since my sending doesn't seem to work now Jun 18 05:30:51 PatrickC: send me your WA id Jun 18 05:39:44 it went off my screen, and i need to see if my send code is still functioning at all, because i'm not receiving anything when i try to send to myself Jun 18 05:39:49 even from a different account Jun 18 05:40:17 I think he when to bed Jun 18 06:00:01 hurry up openwebos damnit!!! http://www.esky-sh.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=497 Jun 18 09:23:04 blah. this is going to take a few more days just to get it talking, i think, unless i just cheap out and start grabbing strings from the text and assuming Jun 18 12:41:58 EricBlade: ping? Jun 18 13:35:03 PatrickC: why on earth would i be awake at this hour ... o.O Jun 18 13:35:21 i'm on the wrong side of a normal sleeping schedule. ugh. Jun 18 14:38:03 EricBlade: lol.. you were asleep when i sent that message? :P Jun 18 14:38:12 no Jun 18 14:38:24 lol Jun 18 14:38:35 what did u need from me? i saw that you pinged me, but was about to go to sleep Jun 18 14:38:56 i don't remember Jun 18 14:40:12 ahh, my WA ID Jun 18 14:40:24 still need it? Jun 18 20:48:40 <3 combofix Jun 18 22:30:37 IGNTNUNLMTD! Jun 18 22:30:57 lol I didn't realize I signed on here :-P Jun 18 22:31:06 sup PatrickC! Jun 18 22:31:16 not much :P Jun 18 22:31:25 man.. its been a while :) Jun 18 22:32:23 yeah seriously! Jun 18 22:33:00 ok, question for all.. for Homebrew Pivot, which would make more sense? (if we named it onTap) Jun 18 22:33:11 http://EnyOnTap.com or http://wOSonTap.com ? Jun 18 22:33:40 IGNTNUNLMTD: hows it goin over by you? Jun 18 22:34:35 pretttty decent! Jun 18 22:36:35 Ontap in a OS name Netapp use Jun 18 22:37:22 hewball: thats why we're adding enyo/webos to the name Jun 18 22:37:57 IGNTNUNLMTD: you still have any webOS devices? Jun 18 22:38:18 not that I use :-P my touchpad is somewhere Jun 18 22:38:35 lol Jun 18 22:39:04 * PatrickC 's touchpad is borked somewhere lol Jun 18 23:18:00 both my touchpad and touchpad4g get heaps of use Jun 18 23:18:42 my 4S singlehandedly put my Touchpad out of use :-/ Jun 18 23:19:24 IGNTNUNLMTD: i kinda know how you feel.. ive had a few android review devices lately... i never knew what i was missing till i had android :S Jun 18 23:19:44 and i really don't want to get an iOS device, then ill really be sad when i cant keep it lol Jun 18 23:19:49 god, nobody could pay me to use Android :-X Jun 18 23:20:03 IGNTNUNLMTD: i used to be the same way Jun 18 23:20:12 I have to test on it for worky Jun 18 23:20:13 laggy Jun 18 23:20:15 ugly Jun 18 23:20:19 unintuitive Jun 18 23:20:22 bleh :( Jun 18 23:20:33 IGNTNUNLMTD: have you used any recent hardware Jun 18 23:20:36 worky lol, work* Jun 18 23:20:37 yeah Jun 18 23:20:39 blows the i4s out of the water Jun 18 23:20:41 imo Jun 18 23:20:46 like which devices? Jun 18 23:20:47 only in specs Jun 18 23:20:53 and in performance Jun 18 23:20:55 not in actual performance Jun 18 23:20:58 never lol Jun 18 23:21:08 in my experiences it has :P Jun 18 23:21:17 on the Evo LTE, and GNex Jun 18 23:23:22 maybe ill buy an android phone when i can wipe it and put openwebos on it Jun 18 23:24:12 my pre3 is stuck to 2g only mode and i still cant give it up Jun 18 23:31:29 interesting tablet Jun 18 23:31:41 hewball: TMO? Jun 18 23:32:26 nah Telstra Australia, but im having Utran crashing the modem baseband Jun 18 23:33:33 ahh Jun 18 23:33:53 yeah it sux, every pre3 here is having the issue Jun 18 23:34:12 buffer overflow :( Jun 18 23:35:26 oh yea... pre3 needs some updates :( Jun 18 23:36:16 http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/18/3094157/new-microsoft-surface-windows-tablet Jun 18 23:36:53 link the liveblog Jun 18 23:37:33 i dont like my chances of getting a firmware update for the modem in my phone though Jun 18 23:39:06 http://live.theverge.com/microsoft-live-blog-tablet-announcement/ Jun 18 23:40:25 is it too early to say 'ipad killer' Jun 18 23:40:41 or would that be a logical conclusion from this announcement? depending on price, of course Jun 18 23:41:02 I'm guessing $1k Jun 18 23:41:19 i wouldn't doubt that Jun 18 23:41:31 if it's like $600 I'm going to buy one and I don't even know what I"d do with it Jun 18 23:41:55 really. it's wonderous, though Jun 18 23:43:08 ... and then we need to put webos on it Jun 18 23:47:04 PatrickC: Bottom line is, Java will never, ever be as fast as Obj-C, case closed. Jun 18 23:48:04 what if I compile to native code Jun 18 23:48:32 then you're just looking mostly at the optimizer Jun 18 23:48:57 dwc-: are you talking to me? Jun 19 00:11:59 Surface for Windows RT available in 32GB and 64GB — priced to competitive rates with ARM tablets. Jun 19 00:40:00 http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/112829/microsoft-surface.gif Jun 19 00:59:50 is there any instruction for luna-bus in pdk? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 19 02:59:58 2012