**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 05 02:59:59 2012
Aug 05 05:02:53 <EricBlade1> hmm. why is webosnation spitting out condom ads? lol
Aug 05 05:08:26 <GodGinrai> lol
Aug 05 05:19:40 <dan408> EricBlade1: probably because you were looking for condoms earlier
Aug 05 05:23:05 <EricBlade1> but i know right where my condoms are
Aug 05 05:23:14 <fxspec06> woah new p/c articles
Aug 05 05:23:21 <fxspec06> featuring.. rrix
Aug 05 05:23:30 <rrix> shhhh
Aug 05 05:23:32 <rrix> don't do that
Aug 05 05:25:29 <EricBlade1> note that zipballs do not maintain chmod
Aug 05 05:25:44 <fxspec06> hmm. so hp handed out a nexus 7, an ipad, an amazon gift code, and some beats headphones. am i the only one who finds that ironic
Aug 05 05:26:01 <GodGinrai> I love how this conversation spans multiple channels XD
Aug 05 05:26:18 <EricBlade1> oops.
Aug 05 05:26:55 <destinal> fxspec06: some kind of drawing?
Aug 05 05:26:59 <GodGinrai> Man, it feels great to be back on IRC and be in active channels :D
Aug 05 05:27:09 <GodGinrai> been way too long
Aug 05 05:27:10 <destinal> fxspec06: or contest for the best hackathon results?
Aug 05 05:27:24 <fxspec06> yeah, for the hackathon
Aug 05 05:27:36 <fxspec06> http://www.webosnation.com/floor-enyo-hackathon
Aug 05 05:29:08 <destinal> ah nice
Aug 05 05:29:29 <destinal> old palm would have given everyone a pre2 :)
Aug 05 05:30:15 <fxspec06> lol, i bet they still have a closet full of them
Aug 05 05:36:57 <destinal> right, only question is whether the audience there today would want them or just sell them on ebay ;)
Aug 05 05:37:09 <destinal> I'd accept one gladly :)
Aug 05 05:39:19 <rrix> I know that the nexus7 is in good hands
Aug 05 05:39:24 <GodGinrai> so would I, just to have another webOS device :D
Aug 05 05:40:16 <destinal> in time, all the devices will be webOS devices! :)
Aug 05 05:40:21 * destinal is optimistic
Aug 05 06:10:10 <GodGinrai> hey btw, can anyone tell me how to switch out of USB mode again when I am done transferring files to my phone?
Aug 05 06:21:57 <RagingMind> GodGinrai, eject the drive from the computer.  so it's gonna depend on your operating system and desktop environment
Aug 05 06:22:24 <GodGinrai> k
Aug 05 17:59:24 <fxspec06> i got the best compliment earlier
Aug 05 17:59:50 <kesne> fxspec06: I know, go brag somewhere else.
Aug 05 18:00:13 <fxspec06> :P
Aug 05 18:26:50 <fxspec06> t.co/8ueSHZCT
Aug 05 18:27:24 <fxspec06> ** my opinion on open webos vs legacy decision, for the ppl who don't click on random links
Aug 05 21:31:54 <madnificent> fxspec06: what you are writing seems a tad obvious to me.  not that it doesn't make any sense, but that's basically what you should expect.
Aug 05 21:32:30 <madnificent> however, perhaps the point shouldn't be that, given their current resources, this was the best route.  perhaps the question should be: why didn't hp throw more money into the pit.
Aug 05 21:33:18 <madnificent> on a high level, HP has decided that current WebOS users don't deserve the new edition (even given that they promised many of an update (eg: Veer users)).  all that didn't happen, and that's a shame.
Aug 05 21:34:12 <madnificent> regardless of all that, i think the last comment on your post really pinpoints the biggest issue: hp should talk to us
Aug 05 21:36:01 <madnificent> right now it reminds me of my cat.  sometimes it wants my attention, but i have no clue whether the cat wants food, wants attention, wants to go outside or whatever.  sometimes it doesn't communicate very well with me.  sometimes i can start petting it and it'll be happy, sometimes it wants to be left alone.  HP is like my cat.  however, unlike my cat which indicates whether or not i'm doing the right thing within 15 second
Aug 05 21:36:01 <madnificent> couple of months each time.
Aug 05 21:36:19 <madnificent> so, i'm guessing HP wants to do something, and then i'll see a few months later whether or not it was right.
Aug 05 21:37:15 <madnificent> i personally believe that that is a giant issue.  in our startup we're using enyojs.  however, picking enyojs was a daring choice.  simply because it wasn't clear where the thing would go to.
Aug 05 21:39:21 <madnificent> fxspec06: though i must agree with you to some extent.  it seems like webosnation is always trying to get the worst out of webos fans.  but if it is so unbelievable that we stick around, then perhaps webosnation is just portraying the world as a very very bad place instead of how it really is.  that way of communication is detrimental to the spirit of the users
Aug 05 21:53:41 <fxspec06> the real world has a lot more dignity and respect than people would like to imagine
Aug 05 21:56:54 <fxspec06> you get what you give, is what you could say
Aug 05 22:13:50 <destinal> madnificent: on the one hand, enyo is still not a bad move, and HP has demonstrated that they're committed to enyo
Aug 05 22:14:02 <destinal> see yesterday's hackathon for example
Aug 05 22:14:23 <PatrickC> hey destinal!
Aug 05 22:14:26 <PatrickC> long time no see man
Aug 05 22:14:32 <destinal> PatrickC: heya!
Aug 05 22:14:39 <PatrickC> hows it ben?
Aug 05 22:14:41 <PatrickC> been*
Aug 05 22:14:49 <destinal> PatrickC: got back in and hacking on the community edition and open webos stuff
Aug 05 22:14:59 <PatrickC> nice!
Aug 05 22:15:26 <PatrickC> yeah, i need to learn more C/C++ so i can start working on some of that stuff :)
Aug 05 22:15:29 <destinal> things are good overall, just relocated to southern california (
Aug 05 22:15:30 <PatrickC> now that i have a fast computer haha
Aug 05 22:15:53 <destinal> PatrickC: ah right, new mbp you said
Aug 05 22:16:01 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 05 22:16:08 <PatrickC> i7/8gb ram
Aug 05 22:16:17 <PatrickC> much nicer then my old i3-370m/3gb ram haha
Aug 05 22:16:58 <PatrickC> need to get back into Enyo dev though..
Aug 05 22:17:18 <destinal> heh yeah I'm actually typing this on a several year old macbook pro, core duo 15"
Aug 05 22:18:08 <PatrickC> nice!
Aug 05 22:18:28 <PatrickC> i got the brand new i7 13"
Aug 05 22:18:30 <kesne> PatrickC: Retina?
Aug 05 22:18:36 <kesne> Ah, nope.
Aug 05 22:18:40 <PatrickC> kesne, na.. don't have the money :/
Aug 05 22:18:44 <kesne> Get that weak-ass crap out of my face.
Aug 05 22:18:47 <PatrickC> and Retina wouldn't have been tax=free here
Aug 05 22:18:51 <PatrickC> tax-free*
Aug 05 22:18:57 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 05 22:19:16 <PatrickC> stupid Tennessee sets a $1500 limit on tax=free weekend
Aug 05 22:19:41 <kesne> I just upgraded from my old 15" Core 2 Duo macbook.
Aug 05 22:19:42 <destinal> PatrickC: but I think I want to build a cluster of amd phenom II x6 boards to use for distributed build here
Aug 05 22:20:34 <PatrickC> destinal, that would be awesome :)
Aug 05 22:20:46 <destinal> powerful hardware is so cheap now
Aug 05 22:21:05 <PatrickC> yeah
Aug 05 22:21:19 <PatrickC> just built a quad-core i7/16gb ram machine at work, love it
Aug 05 22:21:26 <PatrickC> but i think we got some bad ram :/
Aug 05 22:21:26 <destinal> PatrickC: anyway yeah, work on C / c++ skillz and come help us on WOCE / OWO
Aug 05 22:21:32 <fxspec06> kesne: LMAO
Aug 05 22:21:41 <halfhalo> luls i7
Aug 05 22:21:45 <kesne> fxspec06: What was that for?
Aug 05 22:22:03 <fxspec06> hey, kesne: get your weak-ass crap out of my face ;)
Aug 05 22:22:24 * halfhalo keeps his ram is a drawer at work.
Aug 05 22:22:35 <PatrickC> halfhalo, how much? lol
Aug 05 22:22:41 <fxspec06> is this going to require benchmarks
Aug 05 22:22:43 <halfhalo> There is at least 200Gb in that drawer
Aug 05 22:22:50 <PatrickC> halfhalo, wow...
Aug 05 22:22:55 <fxspec06> oh shit, massive lightning strike like 200 meters away
Aug 05 22:23:43 <halfhalo> also, theres aluminum foil loose in that drawer.
Aug 05 22:23:45 <halfhalo> but thats ok.
Aug 05 22:23:49 <halfhalo> ram is cheap
Aug 05 22:24:18 * halfhalo waits for "your mom" joke.
Aug 05 22:27:02 <fxspec06> how fast is your ram
Aug 05 22:27:33 <PatrickC> who's? mine or halfhalo's?
Aug 05 22:27:34 <kesne> fxspec06: I love my macbook pro.
Aug 05 22:27:43 <kesne> I never uploaded that video I made of the unboxing.
Aug 05 22:28:06 <PatrickC> i've done a few unboxing vids… need to get my a/v guy to send them to me :P
Aug 05 22:28:12 * fxspec06 laughs
Aug 05 22:28:55 <kesne> PatrickC: You don't understand what I was saying.
Aug 05 22:29:27 <PatrickC> i.. don't? you made an unboxing vid of a mbp?
Aug 05 22:29:41 * halfhalo made an unboxing video of a box
Aug 05 22:29:43 * PatrickC is doing like 10 things at once. hardly paying attention :P
Aug 05 22:30:05 <fxspec06> i just took a lot of pictures
Aug 05 22:30:11 <halfhalo> thats what she said
Aug 05 22:30:58 <kesne> PatrickC: I was making a reference to something.
Aug 05 22:31:12 <PatrickC> kesne, ahh…
Aug 05 22:31:18 * PatrickC facepalm
Aug 05 22:31:21 <halfhalo> must.  resist.  joke
Aug 05 22:31:26 <PatrickC> that's what i get for not paying attention heh
Aug 05 22:32:30 <fxspec06> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXs9Ted_-SM
Aug 05 23:23:20 <madnificent> destinal: we chose enyo a couple of months ago.  if the roadmap would've been clear (in other words: if hp would be a partner which communicated correctly), then we'd likely have chosen it earlier on.  when we chose it, we still saw it as a big risk.  if i wouldn't have been so entangled in this community, then we certainly would have walked another route.
Aug 05 23:24:14 <fxspec06> pretty sure there's a few examples of that around
Aug 05 23:39:07 <madnificent> fxspec06: that, being?  (sorry, i just can't connect the dots here)
Aug 05 23:53:29 <bnceo> goodness the craiglist and marketplace forums are full of flakes
Aug 05 23:53:32 <bnceo> all of them!
Aug 06 02:03:46 <izzy84075> Hm. I've got some pictures that I took that show up in the photo viewer thing, but I can't see them from the computer... Anybody know where they might be hiding out on the phone's filesystem, so I can get to them?
Aug 06 02:14:28 <izzy84075> Also... Does anybody know of a working link to the novacom drivers? I can't seem to find a working one...
Aug 06 02:50:36 <destinal> izzy84075: compiled novacom drivers?  what operating system
Aug 06 02:50:48 <izzy84075> Windows 7 x64.
Aug 06 02:51:09 <izzy84075> Already downloading the webOS doctor for my phone, though, so it's probably a bit late.
Aug 06 02:51:16 <destinal> izzy84075: you could just install the 3.x PDK, that's the easiest thing
Aug 06 02:51:20 <destinal> or that
Aug 06 02:51:44 <izzy84075> I tried installing the PDK... For some reason, it only included the 32-bit drivers...
Aug 06 02:51:44 <kesne> I know WOQI used to be able to install the drivers for you
Aug 06 02:52:11 <izzy84075> All the links for the automated installers are broken.
Aug 06 02:52:45 <izzy84075> HP seems to be reshuffling all their content servers.
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