**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 17 02:59:58 2012
Aug 17 19:55:34 <GodGinrai> hey, is anyone there?
Aug 17 20:00:27 <GodGinrai> anyone know how to prevent endar.google.js from eating up all of my cpu?
Aug 17 20:56:46 <fxspec06> remove all google accounts from your phone .. ?
Aug 17 21:10:12 <GodGinrai> even if that fixes the problem, that's like saying "fix the problem by not using standard features"
Aug 17 21:10:23 <GodGinrai> that is NOT a solution
Aug 17 21:14:48 <fxspec06> well, it is a solution. because you have google accounts on your device, and they're most likely checked to sync as items arrive or every x minutes. if you don't want the OS to use the file, then remove the accounts
Aug 17 21:15:27 <fxspec06> chances are it's not a problem. but that's just my opinion.
Aug 17 21:16:21 <fxspec06> also, you do realize this is a developer channel?
Aug 17 21:20:22 <GodGinrai> actually, I did not realize this was a dev channel.  thought this was general webOS discussion.  that was my fault.
Aug 17 21:21:22 <GodGinrai> however, you can't tell a user not to use google accounts. that is no more of a solution than telling an IRC user not to ping the server
Aug 17 21:21:49 <fxspec06> have you actually looked at that file? do you know what it does?
Aug 17 21:22:02 <fxspec06> maybe inside the file you will find clues on how to stop it from being accesssed so much.
Aug 17 21:22:18 <fxspec06> that's the best explanation i can give
Aug 17 21:23:06 <GodGinrai> yes, that is true, and I was planning on doing that if no one had any ideas.  I saw that people had brought this problem up on webosnation, so I thought maybe someone had figured out what caused it
Aug 17 21:23:07 <fxspec06> i don't think you should be worried about it, the OS was designed to be tied to the web 24/7
Aug 17 21:23:48 <fxspec06> maybe set your sync schedule to every 2 or 4hrs instead of as items arrive
Aug 17 21:23:57 <GodGinrai> I am worried about it because my battery heat keeps upping to 52 Celsius seemingly randomly
Aug 17 21:24:00 <fxspec06> maybe tell it not to sync your calendar, or contacts or something
Aug 17 21:24:29 <GodGinrai> even when I have no cards open
Aug 17 21:25:04 <fxspec06> if you have wifi on, wifi can cause that.
Aug 17 21:25:11 <GodGinrai> and I noticed one of those times that endar.google.js was taking up over 60% of my cpu
Aug 17 21:25:25 <GodGinrai> I haven't had WiFi on for 2 weeks
Aug 17 21:25:36 <GodGinrai> because I was worried about the heat problems
Aug 17 21:26:04 <fxspec06> even still it's a mobile phone, all of my palm phones get very hot. that's natural, fitting a lot of components in a tiny space is guaranteed to generate a lot of heat
Aug 17 21:26:42 <GodGinrai> I understand some heat, but once it goes over 45, that's damaging.
Aug 17 21:27:24 <GodGinrai> also, I've seen most people talking about their phones hovering in the 30s
Aug 17 21:27:50 <fxspec06> not necessarily. my devices have been over 45C for extended periods of times esp in the summer in the sun, and yeah it's bad but it doesn't cease to work
Aug 17 21:28:54 <fxspec06> if your phone is running at 45C all the time, then it is a problem. but random spikes in CPU activity is normal. especially for a single core device
Aug 17 21:30:30 <GodGinrai> mine are running at 40-42 normally, with common spikes as high as 54 and rare drops down to 34
Aug 17 21:30:48 <fxspec06> endar.google.js is a google calendar javascript file
Aug 17 21:31:32 <fxspec06> mine is on the touchstone all the time and i could probably fry an egg on it, but it still works reliably every day
Aug 17 21:31:43 <GodGinrai> *is
Aug 17 21:34:09 <fxspec06> do you use any kernels or patches? those could conflict
Aug 17 21:34:58 <fxspec06> http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-pre-3/309457-endar-google-javascript-uses-100-cpu-full-mhz.html
Aug 17 21:37:55 <GodGinrai> yea, I saw that
Aug 17 21:38:22 <GodGinrai> only thing I have is Uberkernel on default settings
Aug 17 21:38:22 <GodGinrai> and I was getting heat issues before installing it as well
Aug 17 21:55:47 <dwc-> in case it's a sync bug, you could try disabling google calendar sync, letting it delete the local data, and then re-enable it
Aug 17 21:57:58 <GodGinrai> I'll look into that.
Aug 17 21:59:11 <LarrySteeze> anyone here a fan of webOS?
Aug 17 21:59:21 <LarrySteeze> :D
Aug 17 21:59:42 <bigbluehat> back, back you troll!
Aug 17 21:59:43 <bigbluehat> :)
Aug 17 21:59:47 <GodGinrai> lol
Aug 17 22:00:09 <bigbluehat> oh wait...I thought I typed "febOS"...blast...wrong channel >_<
Aug 17 22:00:19 <LarrySteeze> eh?
Aug 17 22:00:35 <bigbluehat> LarrySteeze: we're not in here for any other reason than we heart webOS
Aug 17 22:00:43 <LarrySteeze> I know, that's why I said it
Aug 17 22:00:46 <bigbluehat> at least I'm not
Aug 17 22:00:48 <LarrySteeze> I had a followup question
Aug 17 22:00:51 <bigbluehat> ah :)
Aug 17 22:00:53 <bigbluehat> yeah?
Aug 17 22:00:54 <bigbluehat> what up?
Aug 17 22:01:00 <LarrySteeze> anyone here a gfx master (or amateur)?
Aug 17 22:01:33 <LarrySteeze> we (webos-internals and webos-ports) are looking for a new logo and are having a logo contest for it (for LunaCE)
Aug 17 22:02:03 <GodGinrai> yea, I was considering that
Aug 17 22:02:24 <bigbluehat> ah, neat
Aug 17 22:02:33 <GodGinrai> although I would only be able to make a sprite :P
Aug 17 22:03:00 <LarrySteeze> so make a sprite
Aug 17 22:03:02 <LarrySteeze> http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/LogoContest
Aug 17 22:03:03 <bigbluehat> :)
Aug 17 22:03:14 <bigbluehat> you gonna announce this on the twitterz?
Aug 17 22:03:18 <LarrySteeze> Make something oldschool. I'd love to see it
Aug 17 22:03:24 <LarrySteeze> it's been announced by @webosports
Aug 17 22:03:34 <LarrySteeze> I'm going to announce it on my own account as well
Aug 17 22:03:55 <bigbluehat> so why rebrand LunaCE and not webOS CE? isn't that gonna confuse folks?
Aug 17 22:04:00 <bigbluehat> ah, missed it
Aug 17 22:04:21 * bigbluehat will go home, pull out his Palm LifeDrive, and look for design ideas :)
Aug 17 22:05:58 <LarrySteeze> bigbluehat: because LunaCE is only part of CE
Aug 17 22:06:04 <LarrySteeze> err of webOS CE
Aug 17 22:06:08 <LarrySteeze> it's only the luna part
Aug 17 22:06:17 <bigbluehat> so why rebrand it?
Aug 17 22:06:38 <bigbluehat> maybe what's needed is branded "CE" icon
Aug 17 22:06:44 <bigbluehat> that can go on Luna, webOS, etc
Aug 17 22:06:56 <bigbluehat> augmented rebranding :)
Aug 17 22:06:57 <GodGinrai> psssh
Aug 17 22:07:12 <GodGinrai> Lunacy needs an icon, bigblue
Aug 17 22:07:31 <LarrySteeze> bigbluehat: it's possible that you have a recurring "ce" part that overlays on the luna icon, or vice versa
Aug 17 22:07:33 <LarrySteeze> play with ideas
Aug 17 22:12:47 <LarrySteeze> GodGinrai and bigbluehat: could you retweet? https://twitter.com/LarrySteeze/status/236585644137263105
Aug 17 22:13:10 <bigbluehat> is that still allowed...? :)
Aug 17 22:13:32 <LarrySteeze> is what still allowed?
Aug 17 22:14:05 <fxspec06> oh boy, logo contest
Aug 17 22:14:20 <LarrySteeze> :D
Aug 17 22:14:24 <fxspec06> how about a circle with a gradient and a border? would that count
Aug 17 22:14:26 <bigbluehat> retweeting...sorry referencing Twitter's crazy "laws" changes
Aug 17 22:14:32 <LarrySteeze> ah lol
Aug 17 22:14:40 <bigbluehat> they're nuts...
Aug 17 22:14:46 <LarrySteeze> fxspec06: anything counts, it may just not win :P
Aug 17 22:14:49 <bigbluehat> it's like the stuff that got us open source to begin with
Aug 17 22:14:52 <GodGinrai> btw, what's the best twitter app to get for my Pre3?  Spaz or Carbon?
Aug 17 22:15:40 <GodGinrai> fxspec06: If you do it ONLY in HTML5 and CSS3 :P
Aug 17 22:19:12 <LarrySteeze> I thought fxspec06 was going to link to something like this to be honest: http://gr8brainfarts.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/lunacy.jpg?w=490
Aug 17 22:24:30 <fxspec06> GodGinrai: that's easy.
Aug 17 22:25:10 <GodGinrai> no IMG sourcing
Aug 17 22:25:23 <GodGinrai> no flash objects
Aug 17 22:26:19 <LarrySteeze> lol
Aug 17 22:26:25 <fxspec06> .l { border-radius: 50px; background-color: black; border: 10px solid #ffcc00; }
Aug 17 22:26:27 <fxspec06> done.
Aug 17 22:27:19 <LarrySteeze> keep in mind, LunaCE is also pronounced "lunacy"
Aug 17 22:27:23 <fxspec06> the best app is the one not yet released ;)
Aug 17 22:27:53 <LarrySteeze> fxspec06: I'm excited to see it
Aug 17 22:29:02 <cSc`> hey guys, anyone mind helping with an onboard compiling issue?
Aug 17 22:29:41 <GodGinrai> fxspec06: you forgot the gradient
Aug 17 22:31:21 <fxspec06> eh. who needs a gradient.
Aug 17 22:32:07 <GodGinrai> lol
Aug 17 22:32:12 <bigbluehat> I do! I'm almost out!...oh wait...that's my coffee....
Aug 17 22:32:20 <bigbluehat> <yawn>
Aug 17 22:33:22 <GodGinrai> cSc`: Sorry, I can't help you.  I'm still new to webOS
Aug 17 22:33:49 <fxspec06> you know what i need? tuesday
Aug 17 22:34:18 <fxspec06> tuesday is national pre 3 day on my doorstep
Aug 17 22:34:29 <GodGinrai> nice
Aug 17 22:34:52 <GodGinrai> AT&T, Verizon, or EU?
Aug 17 22:35:44 <fxspec06> verizon. because i'm the best
Aug 17 22:36:17 <GodGinrai> lol.  Mine's a verizon one as well.
Aug 17 22:37:04 <fxspec06> i had an at&t one, but i never opened b/c it sent right out the door to a very kind gentleman
Aug 17 22:37:25 <fxspec06> so i'm hoping the box being returned is not empty.
Aug 17 22:37:51 <GodGinrai> ah, you were trading?
Aug 17 22:38:22 <fxspec06> mhm. he signed a contract for it, so he's legally binded. i'm not worried
Aug 17 22:38:40 <fxspec06> not much use for a at&t one, for real testing anyways
Aug 17 22:38:54 <GodGinrai> I see
Aug 17 22:40:18 * scoutcamper has a vzw one. 2 actually
Aug 17 22:41:02 <GodGinrai> oh, nice
Aug 17 22:43:53 <scoutcamper> as well as like 5 pre2's in parts, as well as many bits of Pre's and pre+'s and pixis and all of them other webos devices that were publicly avaliable
Aug 17 22:44:37 <scoutcamper>  /me is what you would call nutty
Aug 17 22:44:59 <GodGinrai> lol
Aug 17 22:45:14 <LarrySteeze> scoutcamper: i'll trade you an ATT pre 3 and $$$ for the vzw one
Aug 17 22:45:20 <LarrySteeze> I want to get it up and running on sprint
Aug 17 22:45:45 <scoutcamper> LarrySteeze, nope, my pre3's are all in use. and i get NO att signal at my house.
Aug 17 22:46:15 <LarrySteeze> You personally use two pre 3's  on one network?
Aug 17 22:46:17 <fxspec06> well i've only got a single pre, two pre 2's, a touchpad, playbook, and lumia. so i lose i guess
Aug 17 22:46:19 <scoutcamper> no
Aug 17 22:46:29 <LarrySteeze> then you don't have two vzw pre 3's
Aug 17 22:46:33 <scoutcamper> LarrySteeze, i have famiuly members on verizon who like webos
Aug 17 22:46:46 <LarrySteeze> that's like me saying I have an iphone because my wife uses one
Aug 17 22:47:39 <scoutcamper> the difference is that i use them more than they do :)
Aug 17 22:48:20 <LarrySteeze> hah
Aug 17 22:51:15 <GodGinrai> New Transformers Game coming out, can't wait. :)
Aug 17 22:56:34 <GodGinrai> wb cSc`
Aug 17 22:56:43 <cSc`> sorry
Aug 17 22:57:00 <cSc`> anyway what was the last thing you guys got?
Aug 17 22:57:32 <GodGinrai> <.<
Aug 17 23:05:47 <cSc`> =/
Aug 17 23:06:26 <GodGinrai> last thing we heard the firs time
Aug 17 23:06:31 <GodGinrai> was your question
Aug 17 23:06:36 <GodGinrai> *first
Aug 17 23:06:52 <cSc`> which was?
Aug 17 23:08:11 <EricBlade> PatrickC: whazaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Aug 17 23:09:10 <EricBlade> cSc`: whazaaaaaaaaaa
Aug 17 23:09:16 <cSc`> bleh. anyway does anyone know what to put for the sdl headers dir?
Aug 17 23:09:37 <EricBlade> for what
Aug 17 23:09:50 <EricBlade> or in what
Aug 17 23:10:18 <cSc`> where are the sdl includes at on webos?
Aug 17 23:11:24 <EricBlade> are you trying to build something on device?
Aug 17 23:11:56 <GodGinrai> <cSc`> hey guys, anyone mind helping with an onboard compiling issue?
Aug 17 23:12:05 <cSc`> yes
Aug 17 23:12:13 <EricBlade> why would the device have the headers onboard?
Aug 17 23:12:35 <cSc`> I am building on the device but I can't seem to find where sdl_dev installed to
Aug 17 23:13:25 <EricBlade> find . -print | grep SDL.h
Aug 17 23:13:33 <EricBlade> or find / -print | grep SDL.h
Aug 17 23:14:01 <EricBlade> normally, one uses the includes that are in the PDK on your PC, no idea how you're building on device
Aug 17 23:14:09 <cSc`> magic
Aug 17 23:14:14 <cSc`> :)
Aug 17 23:15:47 <cSc`> I like to nestle into the underlying linux system of webos
Aug 17 23:16:25 <EricBlade> i did install a build system in a Ubuntu chroot once, but i didn't know anywhere near enough to be able to get it to do anything
Aug 17 23:16:38 <cSc`> lol
Aug 17 23:16:51 <cSc`> I've built on the n800 as well
Aug 17 23:17:06 <cSc`> same thing I'm trying to build now on my pixi
Aug 17 23:17:41 <cSc`> 2/3 components compiled, client did not due to it not finding sdl headers
Aug 17 23:18:03 * cSc` takes a bow
Aug 17 23:19:41 <fxspec06> EricBlade: whazaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Aug 17 23:20:38 <EricBlade> fxspec06: i can finally login to whazaaaa successfully with node.js.
Aug 17 23:20:52 <fxspec06> now THAT'S whazaaaaaaaa!
Aug 17 23:21:03 <EricBlade> i have no idea if it's code that will work on touchpad or on phones though
Aug 17 23:23:25 <fxspec06> only one way to find out!
Aug 17 23:23:28 * fxspec06 to the batmobile
Aug 17 23:27:15 <GodGinrai> well, I gotta get going.  Cya guys.
Aug 17 23:27:34 <cSc`> grr
Aug 17 23:27:38 <cSc`> still won't work
Aug 17 23:30:42 * dwc- sees @webosports and sees webo sports... 
Aug 18 01:31:11 <cSc`> anyone around?
Aug 18 02:28:16 <cSc`> anyone around?
Aug 18 02:31:52 <cSc`> =(
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