**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 22 03:00:00 2012
Aug 22 03:22:13 <rrix> Argh, the certificate manager in 3.x annoys the daylights out of me
Aug 22 03:22:26 <rrix> I'm stuck with a spinnerscrim that wont go away every time I try to add a new cert
Aug 22 14:12:43 <GodGinrai> anyone know of a good way to listen to grooveshark on webOS w/o having to pay that exorbitant mobile apps fee?
Aug 22 14:21:28 <fxspec06> http://9to5mac.com/2012/08/21/apple-prototype-n90-iphone-hits-ebay-with-sweet-backside-logo/
Aug 22 14:22:47 <fxspec06> jesus, it's the iphone 5 in all it's glory! someone cache the images before it gets removed
Aug 22 14:23:43 <fxspec06> or the iphone 4 maybe ? idk.
Aug 22 14:24:33 <GodGinrai> who gives a shit, it comes out next month, and it's an iPhone
Aug 22 15:19:45 <Tibfib> GodGinrai, fxspec06: that's not the next iphone
Aug 22 15:20:19 <baboo> :O
Aug 22 15:20:51 <GodGinrai> lol Tibfib, I haven't even looked at that link yet, because I couldn't give a rats ass about the new iPhone
Aug 22 15:21:39 <Tibfib> oh, I thought you were saying you didn't care about hte details, just that it was a new iPhone and it's next month!
Aug 22 15:22:25 <GodGinrai> nah, I was saying that who cares about something so close to release
Aug 22 15:22:38 <GodGinrai> and besides, it's an iPhone, why would I be interested?
Aug 22 15:24:09 <fxspec06> "know thy enemeny"
Aug 22 15:24:18 <fxspec06> "be friends with your enemy, love yor enemy" etc
Aug 22 15:25:07 <Tibfib> enemeny
Aug 22 15:25:37 <Tibfib> enemenemy
Aug 22 15:25:54 <GodGinrai> lol
Aug 22 15:26:01 <fxspec06> Tibfib: enemenemenemy?
Aug 22 15:26:30 <Tibfib> enemenemenemeny, rather
Aug 22 15:26:30 <GodGinrai> fxspec06: excuses, excuses, you giddy apple fanboi :P
Aug 22 15:27:00 <Tibfib> my current phone is an iphone… suppose that makes me a fanboy
Aug 22 15:27:24 <GodGinrai> it could, it could
Aug 22 15:27:56 <fxspec06> am i still a fanboy if i don't own any devices?
Aug 22 15:28:11 <GodGinrai> But I would be much more likely to call you one for posting links to possible iPhone prototypes in a channel for a competing cell phone os
Aug 22 15:28:36 <GodGinrai> saying: <fxspec06> jesus, it's the iphone 5 in all it's glory! someone cache the images before it gets removed
Aug 22 15:28:52 <cwayne> lol
Aug 22 15:28:58 <fxspec06> and? how does that make me anything
Aug 22 15:29:00 <GodGinrai> for a device only 1 month out from release
Aug 22 15:29:08 <fxspec06> i'm a technology fanboy.
Aug 22 15:29:18 <GodGinrai> fxspec06: You're way too excited for it
Aug 22 15:29:22 * fxspec06 guilty as charged
Aug 22 15:29:31 <fxspec06> i'm actually not, but hey, that's cool
Aug 22 15:30:48 <GodGinrai> can't really claim technology fanboy as a reason to be excited about a new iPhone, because they haven't really been introducing anything groundbreaking
Aug 22 15:31:15 <GodGinrai> they've just been improvements on something that WAS groundbreaking
Aug 22 15:33:56 <fxspec06> i'm really not going to talk about this here.
Aug 22 15:34:44 <Tibfib> I'm pretty excited about most new phones that are announced
Aug 22 15:35:04 <GodGinrai> because they represent an imrpovement?
Aug 22 15:35:11 <Tibfib> and it bothers me when people accuse others of being fanboys… it's ridiculous.
Aug 22 15:35:21 <Tibfib> Oh, you like that??? YOU MUST BE A FANBOI
Aug 22 15:35:26 <Tibfib> I can't respect your opinion.
Aug 22 15:35:35 <Tibfib> (^that's a continuation of the previous line)
Aug 22 15:35:57 <Tibfib> Or rather: "Oh, you like that??? YOU MUST BE A FANBOI. I can't respect your opinion."
Aug 22 15:37:09 <GodGinrai> lol, my fanboi comment was meant as a joke (hence the :P)  I only defended it because fxspec06 tried to deny that what he said didn't seem fanboyish
Aug 22 15:38:10 <GodGinrai> also, like I said earlier, it's the attitude that makes a fanboy
Aug 22 15:38:13 <fxspec06> well it wasn't. i was making a joke, because apple has a history of punishing people / sites that leak information
Aug 22 15:38:42 <GodGinrai> Having an iPhone doesn't make you a fanboy, but freaking out about it does
Aug 22 15:38:57 <fxspec06> who was freaking out?
Aug 22 15:39:04 <GodGinrai> fxspec06: I don't remember anything happening to gizmodo
Aug 22 15:39:29 <GodGinrai> this reads as overly excited fanboy: <fxspec06> jesus, it's the iphone 5 in all it's glory! someone cache the images before it gets removed
Aug 22 15:40:32 <Tibfib> GodGinrai: they got destroyed
Aug 22 15:40:35 <fxspec06> and i'm sure nobody in the world would ever be able to just find that funny and leave it alone
Aug 22 15:40:38 <Tibfib> Apple didn't invite them to future events
Aug 22 15:40:53 <fxspec06> it doesn't make me a fanboy.
Aug 22 15:40:55 <Tibfib> not sure if they are currently inviting them… but they haven't gotten invites recently
Aug 22 15:41:26 <GodGinrai> fxspec06: when you are making jokes in non-vocal mediums, you need to use formatting and text cues to hint you are joking
Aug 22 15:41:49 <baboo> i'm a fan of their macs and ipods (excluding every ios device)
Aug 22 15:41:56 <fxspec06> it's pretty obvious i was making a joke. i think everyone here would think so.
Aug 22 15:42:06 <baboo> i did
Aug 22 15:42:17 <Tibfib> baboo: I would say their mac hardware is the best out there.
Aug 22 15:42:24 <baboo> YEA!
Aug 22 15:42:28 <GodGinrai> It may be obvious to you, however it was not obvious to me or Tibfib
Aug 22 15:42:35 <fxspec06> speak for yourself
Aug 22 15:42:48 <Tibfib> OSX is nice, but W7 isn't bad
Aug 22 15:42:59 <GodGinrai> or so I would assume about Tibfib, given his entering comment
Aug 22 15:43:07 <fxspec06> i say things in here all the time and don't get questioned for my comments.
Aug 22 15:43:18 <baboo> it isn't bad but OSX is better
Aug 22 15:43:37 <Tibfib> no, I didn't catch that it was a joke… but things often go over my head… and I don't think it's a big deal
Aug 22 15:43:59 <Tibfib> baboo: I dunno honestly. Been using osx for the past year. Used windows 7 before that. Good and bad to both
Aug 22 15:44:18 <GodGinrai> Tibfib: My point is is that he needed to better telegraph when he makes a joke
Aug 22 15:44:25 <baboo> well you gotta remeber, OSX is unix
Aug 22 15:44:35 <GodGinrai> so people understand it is one
Aug 22 15:44:44 <GodGinrai> even a simple smiley helps
Aug 22 15:44:57 <baboo> :D
Aug 22 15:45:05 <Tibfib> GodGinrai: my point is that this is an IRC channel and it doesn't matter whether fxspec06 chooses to announce he is making a joke
Aug 22 15:45:22 <fxspec06> your input is greatly appreciated.
Aug 22 15:45:55 <GodGinrai> Tibfib: That is true, but it does matter when he gets angry at me for misunderstanding due to his fault in conveying his meaning
Aug 22 15:46:14 <Tibfib> well you didn't need to jump on his throat for being an "apple fanboi"
Aug 22 15:47:02 * fxspec06 bbl
Aug 22 15:47:03 <GodGinrai> I didn't.  I made a joke.  I only explained my reasoning for calling him one because he denied it
Aug 22 15:48:29 <GodGinrai> How often do you see someone make a serious accusation and then end it with " :P " ?
Aug 22 15:49:29 <Tibfib> well it was a joke, until you explained that it wasn't a joke… that you seriously thought he was a fanboi.
Aug 22 15:49:33 <Tibfib> This is a pointless conversation.
Aug 22 15:49:42 <Tibfib> bbl
Aug 22 15:50:00 <GodGinrai> No, I explained why it made sense to CALL him a fanboi
Aug 22 15:59:57 <GodGinrai> bbl
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Aug 22 17:55:22 <dawm> PatrickC_Away,  haha im slow as fuk~
Aug 22 20:19:59 <PatrickC> dawm!
Aug 22 20:42:03 <riskish> just launched www.sideprojects.com if anyone is interested
Aug 22 20:45:43 <GodGinrai> no mention of webOS, and the sight has display errors on the webOS browser
Aug 22 20:45:52 <GodGinrai> *site
Aug 22 20:52:29 * PatrickC wonders if he can manage to install Windows on the Chromebox :)
Aug 22 20:52:31 <PatrickC> hehe
Aug 22 20:52:34 <PatrickC> or Ubuntu
Aug 22 21:03:58 <PatrickC> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/132300-unleash-your-chromebox-how-to-dual-boot-ubuntu-linux-on-your-chrome-os-device/2 :)
Aug 22 21:13:05 <cwayne> PatrickC: isn't chromeos built on ubuntu?
Aug 22 21:13:10 <cwayne> or is it suse or something
Aug 22 21:33:49 <PatrickC> cwayne, it's built on ubuntu
Aug 22 21:34:07 <PatrickC> but it has like nothing resembling ubuntu
Aug 22 21:34:17 <PatrickC> hardly any cmd line commands, anything..
Aug 22 21:35:46 <cwayne> PatrickC: just try to get into a tty
Aug 22 21:35:53 <madnificent> whot? it's built on linux, not ubuntu
Aug 22 21:36:41 <cwayne> linux kernel, ubuntu rootfs
Aug 22 21:36:55 <PatrickC> cwayne, they locked the entire box down. have to go into dev mode to do that
Aug 22 21:36:59 <PatrickC> very webOS like :)
Aug 22 21:39:09 <PatrickC> been a few weeks since i last used ubuntu though...
Aug 22 21:39:12 <PatrickC> :/
Aug 22 21:39:57 <GodGinrai> GOOD.  ubuntu is shit
Aug 22 21:41:12 <PatrickC> GodGinrai, you do realize that cwayne works for them, right? ;)
Aug 22 21:41:32 <GodGinrai> Google, or ubuntu?
Aug 22 21:41:45 <PatrickC> Ubuntu
Aug 22 21:42:27 <madnificent> GodGinrai: whai?
Aug 22 21:42:36 <PatrickC> I LOVE ubuntu
Aug 22 21:42:37 <madnificent> make that wai or why, but not whai
Aug 22 21:42:42 <PatrickC> but I like OS X more :)
Aug 22 21:42:46 <PatrickC> madnificent, haha
Aug 22 21:42:47 <cwayne> GodGinrai: how is ubuntu shit?
Aug 22 21:43:08 <GodGinrai> Well, there have to be people working for everyone.  IMHO, I don't take kindly to a distro that hacks up things for no reason
Aug 22 21:43:18 <JacksterD> Xubuntu is where it's at
Aug 22 21:43:36 <cwayne> GodGinrai: what did they hack up for no reason?
Aug 22 21:43:47 <cwayne> JacksterD: xubuntu is excellent
Aug 22 21:43:53 <madnificent> on the offside chance that that was a syntactically correct sentence, could you elaborate?
Aug 22 21:44:13 <JacksterD> cwayne: yep, tried Unity and it's kinda meh, but better than that insane piece of crap Gnome 3
Aug 22 21:44:30 * madnificent runs stumpwm under ubuntu
Aug 22 21:44:37 <madnificent> well, amongst others, under ubuntu
Aug 22 21:44:40 <JacksterD> I thought everyone was just unfairly jumping on the Gnome 3 bashing bandwagon, then I tried it and realised no, it really is that bad
Aug 22 21:44:42 <GodGinrai> IIRC, that change that makes the gnome-terminal report you can get a missing utility through apt-get was supposedly a real hack job
Aug 22 21:44:48 <cwayne> JacksterD: lol, when did you last try unity?  it's gotten a *lot* better with 12.04/12.10
Aug 22 21:45:15 <madnificent> GodGinrai: does it work?  does it matter if it is a hack if it serves all purposes?
Aug 22 21:45:22 <cwayne> seriously?  that's what makes it shit?
Aug 22 21:45:24 <JacksterD> cwayne: it was probably actually the first version that was included with the mainstream Ubuntu and not just the netbook remix. Might give it another shot.
Aug 22 21:45:29 <cwayne> you've been trollin' all day buddy
Aug 22 21:45:39 <cwayne> JacksterD: oh god, it's much better now :)
Aug 22 21:45:45 <GodGinrai> no cwayne, that's just one thing
Aug 22 21:45:55 <cwayne> JacksterD: i know its still not for everyone, but it's so much better than it used to be
Aug 22 21:46:37 <madnificent> GodGinrai: i think that what everyone here wants to say is: think long and hard before bashing something.  formalize your reasons and know how to state them, and only then start stating them.  either that or explicitly mention that it is a feeling.  you are not necessarily incorrect, nor injust, but claiming things that way won't get anything further.
Aug 22 21:46:52 <GodGinrai> My biggest problems with it are how it handles the root account, and how intrusive it is on a base install
Aug 22 21:47:20 <madnificent> i find ubuntu to be one of the distros which handles the root account very nicely.  i see little wrong with it.
Aug 22 21:47:23 <madnificent> very little
Aug 22 21:47:54 <cwayne> what what does it even do differently than debian in how it handles the root account?
Aug 22 21:47:58 <GodGinrai> (not that the install is intrusive, but the base settings feel like it baby's you more than windows defaults
Aug 22 21:48:31 <GodGinrai> cwayne, last time I used ubuntu, it didn't even allow you to make a root account
Aug 22 21:48:41 <GodGinrai> it made it on its own
Aug 22 21:48:52 <madnificent> GodGinrai: it does, and it already has one... and you *need* one.  but why would you care
Aug 22 21:48:57 <GodGinrai> and you could only get root access through sudo su
Aug 22 21:49:07 <madnificent> GodGinrai: that is blatantly false
Aug 22 21:49:17 <cwayne> hahah
Aug 22 21:49:37 <madnificent> GodGinrai: please learn the system before bashing it.  there are reasons to dislike ubuntu, but "i don't know what i'm talking about" is not one of them :)
Aug 22 21:50:04 <Tibfib_> I wasn't a fan of the default font.
Aug 22 21:50:17 <cwayne> Tibfib_: ah really?  i love it
Aug 22 21:50:37 <Tibfib_> yeah, I didn't care for it
Aug 22 21:50:39 <madnificent> Tibfib_: actually, that's a more sane argument.  you can change it, but at least it is correct.
Aug 22 21:50:54 <GodGinrai> lol, if it finally lets you set the root password, then I'm happy about that.  But I KNOW you couldn't log into root back when I tried it
Aug 22 21:50:54 <cwayne> haha yeah, it is an actual legitimate argument :)
Aug 22 21:50:57 <PatrickC> I was never a fan of Unity
Aug 22 21:51:04 <madnificent> GodGinrai: you are wrong
Aug 22 21:51:14 <cwayne> GodGinrai: you've always been able to log into root
Aug 22 21:51:19 <PatrickC> and cwayne knows i never liked unity ;)
Aug 22 21:51:29 <cwayne> yeah, i try to convert people all the time :P
Aug 22 21:51:36 <madnificent> cwayne: to unity?
Aug 22 21:51:41 <cwayne> madnificent: yeah
Aug 22 21:51:55 <cwayne> just the people that tried it back in 10.10 and never tried it again
Aug 22 21:52:01 <cwayne> cus it SUCKED until 12.04
Aug 22 21:52:04 <GodGinrai> cwayne: then what is the default root password?
Aug 22 21:52:19 <cwayne> GodGinrai: there isn't one.  that doesn't mean there's no account
Aug 22 21:52:27 <cwayne> why the hell would there be a default root password?
Aug 22 21:52:31 <cwayne> that would be horrible
Aug 22 21:52:43 <GodGinrai> I never said there wasn't an account
Aug 22 21:52:54 <GodGinrai> I said it didn't allow you to set the password
Aug 22 21:53:07 <cwayne> I'm just gonna go ahead and /ignore you now
Aug 22 21:53:09 <PatrickC> cwayne, i just ended up going with Gnome Shell, sadly :P
Aug 22 21:53:10 <GodGinrai> It never let me do that when I installed it
Aug 22 21:53:20 <madnificent> i got annoyed with the bar staying on the left in the latest version, but aside from that it was productive.  (however, it crashed on me, i couldn't get it running anymore, then gnome3 crashed on me and i couldn't get it running anymore either (probably for the same reason, i don't know what the problem is/was) after which i had to resort to a window manager i had hacked on at the time (CLFSWM) which i then dropped for lice
Aug 22 21:53:20 <madnificent> and went back to STUMPWM, which has now made me more productive than ever... which means i have more time to chat).
Aug 22 21:53:34 <halfhalo> i tried unity on a touchscreen device thinking it would be nice
Aug 22 21:53:37 <halfhalo> I was WRONG
Aug 22 21:53:38 <PatrickC> fxspec06, just in time to join the party :)
Aug 22 21:53:41 <PatrickC> halfhalo, lol
Aug 22 21:53:44 <GodGinrai> lol halo
Aug 22 21:53:58 <cwayne> halfhalo: heh, i haven't tried yet
Aug 22 21:54:00 <madnificent> GodGinrai: it did allow you to set the root password  (and a well-configured sudo is likely better)
Aug 22 21:54:10 <madnificent> halfhalo: LMAO!
Aug 22 21:54:16 <cwayne> i heard gnome-shell is pretty decent on a touchscreen
Aug 22 21:54:18 <PatrickC> i prefer to use sudo vs su any day
Aug 22 21:54:24 <PatrickC> cwayne, it was on my laptop ;)
Aug 22 21:54:30 <PatrickC> but it probably would br
Aug 22 21:54:30 <PatrickC> be*
Aug 22 21:54:36 <halfhalo> unity has like... one multitouch gesture
Aug 22 21:54:49 <GodGinrai> lol madnificent, because YOU watched me install ubuntu
Aug 22 21:54:59 <halfhalo> and if you needed to use the vkb to type in the dashboard thingie you were hosed
Aug 22 21:55:18 <GodGinrai> There was only one password setting in the whole install.  that was your user password
Aug 22 21:55:19 <cwayne> halfhalo: yeah, that keyboards pretty awful still
Aug 22 21:55:25 <halfhalo> since whenever you tapped on the vkb the dashboard lost focus and went away
Aug 22 21:55:33 <halfhalo> gnome 3 was slightly better
Aug 22 21:55:40 <halfhalo> but I said screw it and stuck windows on it
Aug 22 21:55:43 <madnificent> halfhalo: on the touchpad?
Aug 22 21:55:49 <PatrickC> haha windows
Aug 22 21:55:53 <halfhalo> windows 7 has better touchscreen support
Aug 22 21:55:54 <GodGinrai> halfhalo is magic
Aug 22 21:55:59 <halfhalo> and THATS saying something
Aug 22 21:56:09 <madnificent> halfhalo: and my immediate followup question if it was on the touchpad: was it complex to setup, did it run fine
Aug 22 21:56:09 <cwayne> lol
Aug 22 21:56:27 <cwayne> madnificent: theres no windows 7 for ARM
Aug 22 21:56:29 <PatrickC> madnificent, it wasn't on the touchpad.. i can almost guarantee that ;)
Aug 22 21:56:31 <cwayne> so it couldnt have been touchpad
Aug 22 21:56:41 <halfhalo> not on touchpad, on dell latitude xt
Aug 22 21:56:42 <GodGinrai> IMHO, I never liked the default gnome stuff.  always preferred KDE, xfce, or fluxbox
Aug 22 21:56:46 <PatrickC> cwayne, well.. halfhalo does have some connections
Aug 22 21:56:50 <halfhalo> first gen one as well.  300 on ebay
Aug 22 21:56:57 <madnificent> cwayne: that was not what i was asking either, i couldn't care less
Aug 22 21:57:17 <madnificent> cwayne: ubuntu runs on the touchpad
Aug 22 21:57:19 <cwayne> madnificent: wat
Aug 22 21:57:27 <halfhalo> now, you see, I _am_ a connection.  until 5 today.  When I leave the office and my internship
Aug 22 21:57:40 <cwayne> madnificent: i thought you were asking about windows on the tp, sorry
Aug 22 21:57:56 <madnificent> cwayne: no worries, i should've been either faster or more explicit :)
Aug 22 21:58:03 <madnificent> (and probably friendlier)
Aug 22 21:58:20 <cwayne> madnificent: lol, no worries :)
Aug 22 21:58:22 <GodGinrai> what WERE you asking then?
Aug 22 21:58:27 <PatrickC> halfhalo, aww the internship ends today?
Aug 22 21:58:40 <halfhalo> yup.
Aug 22 21:58:45 <PatrickC> that stinks
Aug 22 21:58:46 <PatrickC> how was it?
Aug 22 21:58:58 <halfhalo> interesting
Aug 22 21:58:58 <GodGinrai> halfhalo is an intern for who, HP?
Aug 22 21:59:28 <halfhalo> something like that
Aug 22 21:59:29 <madnificent> GodGinrai: what i was asking?
Aug 22 21:59:36 <GodGinrai> ah, I see
Aug 22 21:59:43 <GodGinrai> and madnificent: yes
Aug 22 22:00:19 <madnificent> GodGinrai: if he ran ubuntu/unity/gnome on the touchpad and what his experience was with it... he didn't
Aug 22 22:00:41 <halfhalo> people who listen to me make me laugh
Aug 22 22:00:57 <GodGinrai> ok.  I was just wondering, because I had thought you were asking about W7 as well XD
Aug 22 22:01:02 <PatrickC> i learned not to listen to halfhalo a long time ago :P
Aug 22 22:01:23 <madnificent> GodGinrai: i was too slow :/
Aug 22 22:01:42 * madnificent goes for a walk, will be back with a faster brain (but will likely just start coding instead of chatting)
Aug 22 22:01:42 <GodGinrai> An answer based on halfhalo's comment!  you DO listen to him! :P
Aug 22 22:02:03 <PatrickC> madnificent, lol..
Aug 22 22:08:54 <GodGinrai> leaving work now, cya guys
Aug 22 22:35:17 <PatrickC> everyone go to http://twitter.com/sideprojectbook and follow/tweet/buy the book :)
Aug 22 22:36:42 <madnificent> goddamn, i was supposed to be like really really concentrated right now, not just as distracted as 30 minutes ago! /o\
Aug 22 22:38:08 <Tibfib_> PatrickC: how are you involved?
Aug 22 22:38:21 <PatrickC> Tibfib_, it's a friend
Aug 22 22:38:37 <PatrickC> i don't make any money off it.. just trying to give him some free PR :P
Aug 23 00:24:33 <dawm> You currently have 53.75 GB of Dropbox space.
Aug 23 00:24:35 <dawm> :D!!!!
Aug 23 00:24:45 <dawm> thanks samsung for that additional 48gb :P
Aug 23 00:26:39 <dawm> erg.. lame
Aug 23 00:26:40 <dawm> that additional 48gb is only gonna last 2 years
Aug 23 00:26:45 <dawm> then it goes byebye
Aug 23 00:27:27 <fxspec06> damn!
Aug 23 00:27:31 <fxspec06> and what happens to your data?
Aug 23 00:28:44 <dawm> idk.. ill worry about that in 2 years heh
Aug 23 00:29:37 <dawm> they didnt tell me much other than i got 48gb for the next 24months for using my samsung
Aug 23 00:29:46 <dawm> i was fine with 5gb that i originally had
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