**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 01 03:00:02 2012
Sep 01 03:01:20 <invalidopcode> pc-world1: is it just me or is their an unusual amount of chinese spam apps on the WP Marketplace?
Sep 01 03:01:39 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: there are... I think
Sep 01 03:01:56 <invalidopcode> I think that might be part of Microsoft's problem
Sep 01 03:01:57 <pc-world1> if I browse the "new apps" section it's difficult to find any useful apps
Sep 01 03:02:00 <invalidopcode> yeah
Sep 01 03:02:25 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: I think they quite like it, cause they can show off and say "we've got xxxxx apps!"
Sep 01 03:02:26 <invalidopcode> I'd bet that what's hurting downloads
Sep 01 03:02:35 <invalidopcode> haha
Sep 01 03:02:52 <invalidopcode> its a shame too because apps on WP look really nice
Sep 01 03:02:55 <pc-world1> but how many useful apps do they have? that's another question
Sep 01 03:03:06 <invalidopcode> yeah
Sep 01 03:03:11 <pc-world1> many of the apps I wanted to develop on WP aren't even possible due to some freaking API limitations
Sep 01 03:03:19 <pc-world1> *for WP
Sep 01 03:03:19 <invalidopcode> like what?
Sep 01 03:04:06 <pc-world1> no file API (not even a file chooser), no sockets, no code that runs in the background etc.
Sep 01 03:04:26 <pc-world1> no file handlers
Sep 01 03:04:30 <invalidopcode> they have sockets now
Sep 01 03:04:37 <pc-world1> but only in WP8, right?
Sep 01 03:04:45 <invalidopcode> and you can run scheduled tasks in the background i believe
Sep 01 03:04:52 <invalidopcode> no, WP 7.5 supports sockets
Sep 01 03:04:56 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: yeah, but scheduled tasks don't help
Sep 01 03:04:59 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: are you sure?
Sep 01 03:05:01 <invalidopcode> I use them to do arduino communication
Sep 01 03:05:19 <invalidopcode> They are a little strange to work with, but they exist
Sep 01 03:05:24 <pc-world1> which class?
Sep 01 03:06:56 <invalidopcode> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windowsphone/develop/hh202870%28v=vs.92%29.aspx
Sep 01 03:07:49 <invalidopcode> and what kind of background tasks do you need?
Sep 01 03:08:33 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: thanks, didn't know that
Sep 01 03:08:40 <invalidopcode> no problem
Sep 01 03:08:48 <pc-world1> e.g. to keep a chat connection alive
Sep 01 03:09:21 <invalidopcode> ah, hm....
Sep 01 03:09:31 <invalidopcode> well I think that must be possible
Sep 01 03:09:33 <pc-world1> or to download in the background (without a ridiculous limitation of 5 downloads in the queue)
Sep 01 03:09:56 <invalidopcode> for the chat connection, I think IM+ must do that somehow
Sep 01 03:10:00 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: only if I tunnel through my own server, and use push notifications when my app isn't in the foreground (as far as I understood)
Sep 01 03:11:23 <invalidopcode> hm
Sep 01 03:11:24 <pc-world1> another limitation is that I can't run native code, thus use no (real) existing libraries
Sep 01 03:11:36 <invalidopcode> that's supposed to change in WP8
Sep 01 03:11:53 <invalidopcode> which sadly us 800 users don't get :(
Sep 01 03:12:09 <invalidopcode> I wonder if the native C++ might be part of 7.8
Sep 01 03:12:22 <invalidopcode> it shouldn't be hardware specific....
Sep 01 03:12:51 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: I don't think M$ gives a shit about the current userbase
Sep 01 03:13:00 <pc-world1> and the killer argument: WP doesn't run Linux!
Sep 01 03:13:16 <invalidopcode> well duh... its "WINDOWS" Phone
Sep 01 03:13:42 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: I don't care, they could've named it "Linux Phone" :P xD
Sep 01 03:13:56 <invalidopcode> haha that would have worked
Sep 01 03:14:14 <pc-world1> I'm still waiting for the day Microsoft will use Unix/Linux for some of their products :D
Sep 01 03:14:28 <invalidopcode> "Microsoft announces its new Linux Phone based on windows CE!"
Sep 01 03:14:35 <invalidopcode> it actually does
Sep 01 03:14:37 <pc-world1> that will show they ultimately failed
Sep 01 03:14:55 <pc-world1> where?
Sep 01 03:15:38 <invalidopcode> Windows has support for multiple execution subsystems, so if you load the correct subsystem you can run Unix apps
Sep 01 03:15:49 <PatrickC> why does Apple make installing ubuntu difficult lol
Sep 01 03:15:49 <invalidopcode> microsoft also had its own Unix distro at one point
Sep 01 03:15:58 <pc-world1> PatrickC: because they hate freedom
Sep 01 03:15:59 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: because they hate competition
Sep 01 03:16:05 <pc-world1> lol
Sep 01 03:16:07 <PatrickC> haha 2 good answers
Sep 01 03:16:26 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: they had a Unix distro... really? lol
Sep 01 03:16:35 <invalidopcode> yup
Sep 01 03:16:45 <pc-world1> before DOS?
Sep 01 03:16:46 <invalidopcode> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix
Sep 01 03:17:24 <PatrickC> dang
Sep 01 03:17:29 <PatrickC> late 1970 haha
Sep 01 03:17:36 <pc-world1> I guess I'm too young to know that
Sep 01 03:17:53 <PatrickC> i'm way too young to know that
Sep 01 03:17:59 <PatrickC> invalidopcode is just old enough to know that :)
Sep 01 03:18:01 <PatrickC> hehehe
Sep 01 03:18:02 <invalidopcode> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb463212.aspx
Sep 01 03:18:18 <invalidopcode> haha I'm probably younger than you pc-world1 :P
Sep 01 03:18:26 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: ya sure? :P
Sep 01 03:18:37 <pc-world1> "UNIX 3.5"... wait what?!
Sep 01 03:18:48 <invalidopcode> PatrickC is pc-world1 older than you?
Sep 01 03:18:58 <PatrickC> yep
Sep 01 03:19:08 <pc-world1> PatrickC: wait... how do you know how old I am? :P
Sep 01 03:19:26 <PatrickC> pc-world1, are you >16?
Sep 01 03:19:40 <pc-world1> err... no :
Sep 01 03:19:42 <pc-world1> * :D
Sep 01 03:19:51 <PatrickC> sure.. :P
Sep 01 03:20:04 <PatrickC> what year were you born?
Sep 01 03:20:14 <pc-world1> 1995...
Sep 01 03:20:36 <invalidopcode> ah okay
Sep 01 03:20:46 <PatrickC> so you are older then me :)
Sep 01 03:20:48 <invalidopcode> Oh and here's the info about that subsystem I'm talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_POSIX_subsystem
Sep 01 03:21:35 <invalidopcode> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interix
Sep 01 03:22:06 <invalidopcode> oh the things you learn when you read windows internals books instead of paying attention in class....
Sep 01 03:22:27 <PatrickC> haha
Sep 01 03:22:34 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: you read *windows* books?
Sep 01 03:22:38 <PatrickC> things you learn when you can teach the class better then the teacher...
Sep 01 03:22:42 <pc-world1> better read Linux manuals, there's plenty of them
Sep 01 03:22:57 <pc-world1> (and they're all quite boring)
Sep 01 03:23:00 <PatrickC> lol
Sep 01 03:23:11 <invalidopcode> I like a bit of variety
Sep 01 03:23:19 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: anyway, what did M$ do with all that unix stuff?
Sep 01 03:23:30 <invalidopcode> pc-world1: it still exists
Sep 01 03:24:05 <invalidopcode> version 6.1 is available for Win7
Sep 01 03:24:24 <pc-world1> would've never thought that...
Sep 01 03:24:34 <pc-world1> but who would use it on Windows then?
Sep 01 03:24:58 <pc-world1> e.g. I don't use Linux just to use wine
Sep 01 03:26:29 <pc-world1> wow... I'm actually tempted to try this Interix :D
Sep 01 03:27:12 <invalidopcode> Enterprise
Sep 01 03:28:30 <pc-world1> I've even installed win7 a week or so ago (for WP development)
Sep 01 03:28:44 <invalidopcode> nice
Sep 01 03:28:55 <invalidopcode> WP development is really nice
Sep 01 03:29:11 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, i honestly think that my macbook has better windows stats then you had.. or at least a better overall
Sep 01 03:29:16 <PatrickC> i forget exactly what it was
Sep 01 03:29:25 <PatrickC> i think i was like 6.5
Sep 01 03:29:41 <invalidopcode> haha
Sep 01 03:29:59 <pc-world1> I like to finally have a good IDE/debugger and a real oo language (contrary to webOS dev)
Sep 01 03:30:13 <invalidopcode> PatrickC:  its just the desktop graphics that brings the rating down
Sep 01 03:30:21 <PatrickC> hehe
Sep 01 03:30:33 <PatrickC> dang, i wish this dd would finish...
Sep 01 03:30:42 <invalidopcode> pc-world1: yeah me too
Sep 01 03:30:51 <invalidopcode> and the visual designer is really nice too
Sep 01 03:30:59 <PatrickC> invalidopcode, pc-world1, Xcode is a nice IDE/Debugger :)
Sep 01 03:31:13 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: I used to do lots of Java development a few years ago
Sep 01 03:31:20 <pc-world1> I still love Java and its IDEs
Sep 01 03:31:47 <invalidopcode> PatrickC: I don't like xcode, at least so far
Sep 01 03:31:49 <pc-world1> PatrickC: but it has an apple logo on it... right? ... right?
Sep 01 03:31:52 <invalidopcode> pc-world1: ewwwwww Java
Sep 01 03:32:15 <PatrickC> pc-world1, no apple logo.. it's the X logo from X11 ;)
Sep 01 03:32:16 <PatrickC> hehe
Sep 01 03:32:45 <pc-world1> Java is pretty similar to C#... only that C# is M$ sh*t ^^
Sep 01 03:33:01 <pc-world1> (and I assume that you know Java != "Java applets", right?)
Sep 01 03:34:05 <invalidopcode> yes, I know the difference
Sep 01 03:34:08 <invalidopcode> Java is slow
Sep 01 03:34:14 <invalidopcode> c# is much faster
Sep 01 03:34:23 <pc-world1> in which context is Java slow?
Sep 01 03:34:35 <pc-world1> [we're pretty OT, it seems]
Sep 01 03:34:47 <pc-world1> Swing isn't exactly fast... that's right
Sep 01 03:34:51 <pc-world1> but at least it's cross-platform
Sep 01 03:35:26 <invalidopcode> I prefer QT for cross-platform
Sep 01 03:36:28 <invalidopcode> Java has plenty of issues
Sep 01 03:36:47 <pc-world1> but less than .NET, I guess? :P
Sep 01 03:36:48 <PatrickC> i prefer #enyojs for cross-platform
Sep 01 03:36:52 <pc-world1> lol
Sep 01 03:36:53 <invalidopcode> yes
Sep 01 03:37:52 <invalidopcode> I haven't had any backward (or forward) compatibility problems with .net like with Java
Sep 01 03:38:42 <pc-world1> well... in Java, there shouldn't be much forward compatibility issues... since they include all code (incl. deprecated code) in all new versions
Sep 01 03:38:55 <pc-world1> (if that's good or bad is another question)
Sep 01 03:39:53 <invalidopcode> yeah, I've just had bad experiences with java
Sep 01 03:40:05 <invalidopcode> plus its very resource intensive
Sep 01 03:40:12 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: that's true... sadly
Sep 01 03:40:20 <pc-world1> (the resource thing)
Sep 01 03:41:05 <invalidopcode> it also never really looked like it integrated into the platform it was running on properly
Sep 01 03:41:12 <invalidopcode> like theme wise
Sep 01 03:41:27 <pc-world1> I've recently started to look into assembler... best way to manage your resources xD
Sep 01 03:42:06 <invalidopcode> haha
Sep 01 03:42:12 <invalidopcode> I did that too at one point
Sep 01 03:42:15 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: well, with SWT that problem is gone (more or less), though I've used Swing most times (since I wanted my programs to be cross-platform)
Sep 01 03:42:34 <pc-world1> reverse engineering is really interesting, and fun
Sep 01 03:42:37 <invalidopcode> haha
Sep 01 03:42:48 <invalidopcode> I'm looking into it to use for embedded programming
Sep 01 03:44:54 <pc-world1> I haven't had any chance yet to do something with embedded systems
Sep 01 03:45:22 <invalidopcode> oh you're missing out on all the fun
Sep 01 03:45:31 <invalidopcode> embedded is really fun
Sep 01 03:45:58 <pc-world1> I wouldn't know where to start
Sep 01 03:48:05 <invalidopcode> learning a real language like C is a good place :)
Sep 01 03:48:27 <pc-world1> I know C/C++ (somewhat)
Sep 01 03:49:09 <pc-world1> I kinda like the "low-levelness"
Sep 01 03:49:15 <invalidopcode> yeah me too
Sep 01 03:49:25 <invalidopcode> I really enjoy working with my arduino
Sep 01 03:49:41 <invalidopcode> and I have a few other little devel boards laying around to play with
Sep 01 03:50:43 <pc-world1> invalidopcode: what exactly can one do with these "Arduinos", or what is the difference to a usual computer board?
Sep 01 03:51:17 <invalidopcode> the arduino is a litte USB-powered board that contains an Atmega328p microcontroller
Sep 01 03:51:34 <invalidopcode> it has headers on both sides that can be used for input and output
Sep 01 03:51:54 <invalidopcode> and you can buy (or build) shield boards that mount on the top of it
Sep 01 03:52:28 <invalidopcode> for example I have a shield for ethernet, USB host, RTC, and a little LCD display
Sep 01 03:52:42 <pc-world1> that reminds me that I once tried to do a little development for our calculator using Z80 asm... that thing is running on about 8MHz :D
Sep 01 03:52:50 <pc-world1> sounds nice
Sep 01 03:54:01 <pc-world1> (and that calculator is running more stable than any other OS ^^)
Sep 01 03:54:31 <invalidopcode> haha
Sep 01 03:54:38 <invalidopcode> was that a TI-84?
Sep 01 03:54:44 <pc-world1> almost
Sep 01 03:54:46 <pc-world1> TI-83+
Sep 01 03:54:50 <invalidopcode> ah
Sep 01 03:55:01 <invalidopcode> I once looked into doing development work on that
Sep 01 03:55:09 <invalidopcode> but I don't own one
Sep 01 03:55:23 <invalidopcode> I've done DOS development on my HP 95LX instead
Sep 01 03:56:22 <pc-world1> well, I did lots of TI-Basic programs for the TI-83+... but they were just too slow to do something useful; and asm was too complicated for me at that point a few years ago
Sep 01 03:56:59 <invalidopcode> ah
Sep 01 03:57:11 <invalidopcode> arduino programming is in more or less C
Sep 01 03:57:29 <invalidopcode> the Atmega328 runs at 16mhz iirc
Sep 01 03:57:36 <pc-world1> wait... there was a "pocket computer" running DOS?
Sep 01 03:59:23 <pc-world1> I'm missing too much from these "good old days" ^^
Sep 01 03:59:57 <invalidopcode> I make it a point to study "the good old days" :P
Sep 01 04:00:05 <invalidopcode> yes, their was
Sep 01 04:00:21 <invalidopcode> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/abouthp/histnfacts/museum/personalsystems/0025/0025history.html
Sep 01 04:00:30 <pc-world1> I'd really love to get my hands on on these old computers... like commodore and stuff
Sep 01 04:00:51 <invalidopcode> I have a Heathkit 89
Sep 01 04:00:55 <invalidopcode> and a TRS 80
Sep 01 04:01:50 <pc-world1> cool... where do you get these toys from? eBay?
Sep 01 04:03:10 <invalidopcode> actually I get them from older friends of mine (grandparents, etc)
Sep 01 04:03:51 <pc-world1> most people I know seem to have thrown those away
Sep 01 04:05:41 <invalidopcode> ah
Sep 01 04:06:06 <invalidopcode> well the people I know keep them in their attics :P
Sep 01 04:08:39 <pc-world1> haha
Sep 01 04:43:06 <fxspec06> pcworld: you did development on the ti-83+?!?
Sep 01 04:51:05 <pc-world1> fxspec06: yes, TI-Basic... also tried a little bit Z80 asm
Sep 01 04:51:49 <pc-world1> fxspec06: but of course nothing webOS-related, just in case you misunderstood :D
Sep 01 04:56:54 <invalidopcode> fxspec06: he was thinking about porting open webos to the Z80 :P
Sep 01 04:59:59 <PatrickC> port it to the RAZR MAXX!!! :)
Sep 01 05:01:45 <halfhalo> no
Sep 01 05:01:50 <PatrickC> yes
Sep 01 05:01:53 <halfhalo> no
Sep 01 05:02:04 <PatrickC> yes
Sep 01 05:02:41 <halfhalo> how about... no.  Unless you do it yourself.
Sep 01 05:02:53 <PatrickC> i just might
Sep 01 05:03:05 <invalidopcode> port it to the Razr? http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-V3-Unlocked-Player-International-Warranty/dp/B0009FCAJA
Sep 01 05:03:15 <PatrickC> yes invalidopcode, port it to the V3
Sep 01 05:03:26 <PatrickC> and not the maxx
Sep 01 05:03:35 <halfhalo> Have fun finding/making the drivers needed for that
Sep 01 05:04:09 <invalidopcode> what? you mean they don't have linux drivers for it yet?
Sep 01 05:05:03 <halfhalo> android drivers != regular linux drivers.
Sep 01 05:05:13 <PatrickC> how true... :/
Sep 01 05:08:19 <invalidopcode> I was referring to the Razr V3 drivers...
Sep 01 06:53:27 <fxspec06> i started on the ti-83+!!
Sep 01 06:53:36 * fxspec06 wrote some coooooool stuff
Sep 01 07:27:16 <cwayne> fxspec06: really? all i did on ti-83 was write notes so i could use em on tests
Sep 01 13:35:21 <fxspec06> cwayne: yes! i wrote a poker app, a snake game, and a baseball game! and the baseball game was AWESOME!
Sep 01 13:35:33 <fxspec06> plus tons of other small apps
Sep 01 13:35:44 <fxspec06> apps/programs
Sep 01 13:37:07 <pc-world> fxspec06: TI-Basic or asm?
Sep 01 13:55:42 <fxspec06> ti basic
Sep 01 13:55:55 <fxspec06> i tried writing in ASM but it was high school, lol
Sep 01 13:56:27 <fxspec06> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9Q4mLh2v4
Sep 01 13:57:22 <fxspec06> powerful calculator! those were great graphics back in the day! i had to turn pixels off and on with a laser
Sep 01 13:58:19 <pc-world> fxspec06: did you submit your apps to ticalc.org? I'm curious if I've already used apps by you ^^
Sep 01 13:58:36 <fxspec06> i submitted poker there but for somehow i think it got deleted.
Sep 01 13:58:58 <fxspec06> but ****SNAKE***** is there and it's got 9K+ downloads and is ranked like 2000th
Sep 01 13:59:05 <fxspec06> all time
Sep 01 13:59:54 <pc-world> fxspec06: do you have the link?
Sep 01 14:00:02 <pc-world> I might have played that snake game :D
Sep 01 14:01:46 <pc-world> hmm, okay, there seem to be lots of snake games... there's a folder for snake/arcade games with 180 files in it
Sep 01 14:02:31 <fxspec06> it's the one with all the asterisks
Sep 01 14:02:34 <fxspec06> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/336/33606.html
Sep 01 14:02:59 <EricBlade> zz_dkirker: looks like Boxcar is back online, i'm receiving craptons of notifications from the last couple days
Sep 01 14:03:28 <fxspec06> woo! it moved up on the all time list! it was like 2009th now 2006th ;)
Sep 01 14:04:21 <pc-world> lol
Sep 01 14:04:38 <pc-world> I really love my TI-83+ ^^
Sep 01 14:04:49 <fxspec06> me too. it's like, the perfect device ever.
Sep 01 14:04:56 <pc-world> though I wish I had something like a TI-89 (where you have gcc)
Sep 01 14:05:12 <fxspec06> you know that video on youtube was the one i sent to Palm HQ to get them to send me a dev pre 2 :P
Sep 01 14:05:14 <pc-world> best battery life of all time :D
Sep 01 14:05:25 <pc-world> lol
Sep 01 14:06:13 <pc-world> one thing I thing I don't like about TI-83-Basic is that there's no functions (except sub-programs)
Sep 01 14:06:27 <fxspec06> it's great. you can write programs right on the device itself. i have a math problem and instead of doing same thing again and again and again i just write a program to do it for me in like 2 secs and it's accurate as h ell
Sep 01 14:06:44 <fxspec06> ya but labels are fun to deal with
Sep 01 14:06:46 <pc-world> "the teacher's coming" lol
Sep 01 14:06:47 <fxspec06> makes life interesting
Sep 01 14:06:55 <fxspec06> hey, that was the greatest button ever
Sep 01 14:06:58 <Aardvarkeng> I did same using ti89
Sep 01 14:07:25 <fxspec06> the alpha button was the teacher button. i had a separate app for that, i think i used it in all my programs
Sep 01 14:07:31 <pc-world> I wrote an "RAM cleared simulator" program some time ago... :D
Sep 01 14:07:44 <pc-world> *a
Sep 01 14:08:15 <pc-world> (for teachers who want to see that message before tests... though well, I could just archive my prgrms as well)
Sep 01 14:08:19 <fxspec06> lbl teacher; input -> x; pause; if (x != 1) then goto teacher; end
Sep 01 14:08:26 <Aardvarkeng> its been so long that I used my ti that battery is dead
Sep 01 14:08:54 <pc-world> I have the TI-83+... I think I changed batteries only 2 or 3 times
Sep 01 14:09:02 <pc-world> *I have the TI-83+ for several years now
Sep 01 14:09:15 <fxspec06> i charge mine, they last me a LONG time
Sep 01 14:10:11 <Aardvarkeng> I should get up and running again.
Sep 01 14:10:29 <pc-world> fxspec06: wow... how did you make that "anything that adds up to 1 takes you back to the game"? did you simulate the home screen?
Sep 01 14:10:39 <Aardvarkeng> I think I actually have a directory on my pc with games for it
Sep 01 14:10:49 <fxspec06> well when you ask for input
Sep 01 14:11:04 <pc-world> so did you store it in a string and then eval it?
Sep 01 14:11:04 <fxspec06> all it does is give you a command prompt, that's what hte home screen runs on
Sep 01 14:11:21 <fxspec06> so you can type whatever you want in the home screen, it automatically evals it for you
Sep 01 14:11:36 <fxspec06> input -> x just stores whatever the user types into x
Sep 01 14:11:51 <fxspec06> so then after that you just check if (x=1)
Sep 01 14:12:20 <fxspec06> what gets even crazier is trying to save bytes, because it actually made a huge difference
Sep 01 14:12:47 <pc-world> fxspec06: storing bytes? how?
Sep 01 14:12:54 <fxspec06> for instance closing quotes you'd never forget on javascript.. but on the calculator you DON'T want them. the calc runs better without closing quotes
Sep 01 14:14:01 <pc-world> yeah, and prgrms get smaller without closing quotes
Sep 01 14:14:36 <fxspec06> yep. sucked tho bc not a lot of variables to use
Sep 01 14:15:00 <fxspec06> you got 26 of them, plus like 8 special ones, plus 6 lists x 6 items each and then custom lists
Sep 01 14:15:37 <fxspec06> i know for snake i used a matrix to store the snake position on the screen. that was a mind ____
Sep 01 14:16:08 <pc-world> fxspec06: lists can contain (more or less) infinite items, though only numbers
Sep 01 14:16:45 <fxspec06> so long as you know what you want and the index to get it from
Sep 01 14:16:58 <fxspec06> it's not like an object where you can call the property
Sep 01 14:17:12 <pc-world> yes...
Sep 01 14:18:14 <fxspec06> my baseball game was so great
Sep 01 14:18:33 <pc-world> do you still have it?
Sep 01 14:18:42 <fxspec06> you use the white keys to pitch and hit. the white keys were the strike zone, there were 9 of them.. and the keys around it were balls.
Sep 01 14:19:25 <fxspec06> you'd see the pitch coming in and it'd be a number. the number starts from a positive and moves towards a negative. the closer you pressed to ZERO and the closer you were on the key to where the pitch was pitched, the better you hit
Sep 01 14:19:43 <pc-world> nice
Sep 01 14:19:47 <fxspec06> and the same for pitching, except you had a pitching meter and stamina
Sep 01 14:20:00 <fxspec06> and pitching changes. but your bullpen guys had horrible stamina
Sep 01 14:20:22 <fxspec06> you had like 4 pitches i think, and you could choose from a 3, 6, or 9 inning game. the scores were realistic :P USA vs CAN
Sep 01 14:20:29 <pc-world> haha
Sep 01 14:20:35 <fxspec06> yeah, i still have it, it's fun too
Sep 01 14:20:40 <fxspec06> i have no way to upload it, though
Sep 01 14:20:46 <pc-world> I just remembered that I once wrote a tictactoe game for it...
Sep 01 14:21:33 <pc-world> was also kind of funny that you could do stuff like multiplayer (by connecting to TI-83+s to each other)
Sep 01 14:22:01 <pc-world> short after we got our TI83+s, I wrote a chat program for it... if it makes sense, that's another question :D
Sep 01 14:22:05 <pc-world> *shortly
Sep 01 14:22:48 <pc-world> *connecting two
Sep 01 21:41:20 <fxspec06> pc-world: i wrote code for multiplayer poker w/ two ti83's but i never could get anything to work. =(
Sep 01 21:42:51 <pc-world> fxspec06: well, the link commands in TI-Basic aren't ideal...
Sep 01 22:11:39 <fxspec06> lol that's a bit of an understatement
Sep 01 22:12:00 <fxspec06> i used the right apis and i coded everything so that it'd work, i just never could get any variables passing from one to the other
Sep 01 22:12:21 <fxspec06> security was a non issue, lol
Sep 01 22:13:11 <pc-world> fxspec06: well, I remember to get at least a simple chat program working ^^
Sep 01 22:14:18 <pc-world> fxspec06: I think one problem was that the other device has to explicitly wait for something to receive, otherwise the send command would fail
Sep 01 23:04:16 <fxspec06> ah. well i don't have two of them now, and i don't have the USB cord
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