**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 28 02:59:59 2012 Nov 28 03:09:53 fxspec06, mozilla offered to send me to some firefoxOS workshop to port my webOS apps, they pay travel/hotel.. Nov 28 05:00:11 hey there #webOS! Nov 28 05:02:28 Tibfib! Nov 28 05:02:44 long time no see man Nov 28 05:03:07 yeaaah, haven't been doing much mobile dev Nov 28 05:03:11 haven't been on irc much Nov 28 05:03:14 how are you doing? Nov 28 05:03:22 i haven't been doing much dev either.. besides android rom dev heh Nov 28 05:03:31 doing good... got a real laptop finally :) Nov 28 05:03:38 no more of that underpowered crap lol Nov 28 05:05:43 haha nice Nov 28 05:05:56 got a MacBook Pro with an i7 dual core and 8gb ram Nov 28 05:06:11 got it for development.. haven't used it much for that... Nov 28 05:06:26 used it for video editing, rendering, audio editing, and photo editing though lol Nov 28 05:10:39 http://twitter.com/__patrickc__/status/273655083210772480 Nov 28 05:11:02 nice, I love my air. Nov 28 05:11:11 I love this laptop.. so awesome Nov 28 05:11:22 sooo I came with a question: where does MoreSolutions get its sports scores from? Nov 28 05:11:37 looks like our facebook is fix0red Nov 28 05:41:06 http://instacanv.as/_patrickc_/piece/327917515242412678_17977501 Nov 28 14:41:22 русские есть? Nov 28 15:05:25 que? Nov 28 15:16:50 this place has been too quiet lately. Nov 28 15:17:38 * fxspec06_ rattles pots & pans Nov 28 15:17:52 better. a good start anyway. Nov 28 15:18:05 hey fxspec06_, do you know where/if luna calls the network interfaces/ Nov 28 15:18:09 and if it does it by name? Nov 28 15:18:13 maybe if HP would release some webos news we could attract some more devs.. Nov 28 15:18:38 nope, i think eblade might have a better shot at answering Nov 28 15:18:54 i can't even get a hold of him to give him back his phone :P Nov 28 15:18:59 lol Nov 28 15:19:36 i'll ask on twitter, mayb someone knows.. Nov 28 15:19:56 it'd be helpful :) Nov 28 15:20:07 nobody ever listens to me on twitter Nov 28 15:20:12 it's like screaming into an empty room Nov 28 15:20:49 lol, i've got a few followers, about half of them listen, about a fifth respond Nov 28 15:22:23 i don't know much about networks though. i think next semester i'm taking a network class Nov 28 15:22:39 i'm good with networking. i don't know a lick of c++ though. Nov 28 15:22:52 intro data comm & networking Nov 28 15:22:59 i just know that i need to figure out if/where lunasysmgr is like "wifi? oh, that's interface wifi0 or whatever" Nov 28 15:23:11 heh, yeah, i'm in c++ I now and it's great. i'm like king of the world Nov 28 15:23:34 still haven't dipped into the luna source yet, so not very experienced Nov 28 15:31:23 doesn't look like anyone is listening today Nov 28 15:32:25 barrels of dicks. Nov 28 15:39:59 fxspec06_: sorry, you can't expect me to answer nicely to that :) Nov 28 15:40:53 it's fine, i can accept you answering meanly to that Nov 28 16:04:13 fxspec06_: WHY DAFUCK DO YOU PICK C++?! you are the dirt of mankind. cunning abilities, yet you decided to dance with the devil. you should be ashamed of yourself. like a littly baby! now cry! hard! (and record it and put it on youtube for my enjoyment and then make OpenWebOS run on derek's iFad so he stops bitching about *everything* in always-next-to-the-question blogposts) Nov 28 16:04:17 fxspec06_: ahhh, that felt good :) Nov 28 16:05:01 madnificent: you should see the requirements for my graduation ;) Nov 28 16:05:13 they #include c++ I & II Nov 28 16:05:16 ;) Nov 28 16:05:36 plus the more languages i'm fluent in, the better Nov 28 16:05:43 that is no excuse! it is merely a hint that you might possibly be excused if your life depended on it! Nov 28 16:05:49 i want to know ALL OF THEM Nov 28 16:06:00 believe me, you can't Nov 28 16:06:06 i can Nov 28 16:06:18 YOU can't! :D Nov 28 16:06:59 i challenge you to learn a strict superset of what i learned in common lisp so far Nov 28 16:07:00 but it's required for my AS degree, which i will then take to a 4yr school and do bigger badder better things Nov 28 16:07:22 you know i'm half-kidding about hating C++ right? (but only half kidding!) Nov 28 16:07:42 apology accepted Nov 28 16:08:01 hey wait! that wasn't an apology ;_; Nov 28 16:08:03 C++ is important for me to learn anyways, there's aspects of it that i need to know Nov 28 16:08:06 * scoutcamper likes C++ Nov 28 16:08:21 * scoutcamper picks C++ over JS any day.... Nov 28 16:08:23 C++ had no reason to be born. it simply should not have existed. Nov 28 16:08:40 (much like clojure) Nov 28 16:08:42 and if i ever want to do game design to work for R* or any other game co. i'll need to have some experience Nov 28 16:09:12 fxspec06_: jack & dexter went a different route. for complex games it didn't put them anywhere in the back Nov 28 16:09:58 it's required for my minor. i picked the program that had me learning as much programming courses as possible Nov 28 16:10:09 i would have done the same with that Nov 28 16:10:12 for my school that meant c++ i & ii, java i & ii Nov 28 16:10:29 not many offerings here Nov 28 16:10:47 where i headed next, i can do cooler stuff hopefully Nov 28 16:10:50 i just cannot grasp why they must stick with non-expressive languages. it's saddening as s it costs the whole industry shitloads of hours Nov 28 16:11:22 * madnificent had to get about every assignment approved before he could pick something, anything, sane too Nov 28 16:11:51 well, i suppose because you can make a basic console application that's compatible with every win32 computer ever made Nov 28 16:12:04 what would that help? i don't use win32 Nov 28 16:12:29 yes but abot 80% of the computer population does Nov 28 16:12:51 about 100% of the computer population uses the internet... Nov 28 16:13:00 wrong Nov 28 16:13:25 one of the people who autocrosses with me doesnt use the internet :P Nov 28 16:13:34 admitdedly he is 81 years old..... Nov 28 16:13:39 scoutcamper: about 100% of those i can sell things to. the fraction that doesn't needs a dedicated machine (ergo device with webserver and browser) Nov 28 16:13:58 obviously, this is in my case, yours may differ Nov 28 16:14:44 yes but you can do way more awesome things with compiled applciations than with the web. Nov 28 16:15:06 the web is so limited in so many ways, the target is a weak machine Nov 28 16:15:18 fxspec06_: yes, that's what the backend server does Nov 28 16:15:52 fxspec06_: i somewhat agree though. i tend to despise languages which can only access the lower-level. languages without sane constructs. Nov 28 16:16:27 sadly, given Paul Graham's Blub Paradox, it is useless to point out why you need a higher level too Nov 28 16:16:39 back end servers are cool, but again not my pie Nov 28 16:16:55 i'm bitching about the language's expressivenes, not about the web being awesome Nov 28 16:17:05 heh Nov 28 16:17:12 i haven't done enough to make judgement on that yet Nov 28 16:17:22 so far i think i like java > c++ Nov 28 16:17:30 so far, both are teh bork Nov 28 16:17:42 but neither are fairly intuitive Nov 28 16:17:47 though i'd have told differently in the past, and likely would have placed C++ above Java Nov 28 16:18:18 i'm only barely learning namespaces right now Nov 28 16:18:26 to give you an idea where i'm at Nov 28 16:19:18 * madnificent doesn't get his point across Nov 28 16:19:55 no i get your point, it's not expressive Nov 28 16:20:59 it is limiting you where it shouldn't. i guess that's the closest i'll get :/ Nov 28 16:21:12 i understand that Nov 28 16:21:13 but it's not a bad skill to have (though i'd pick C wizardish skills over C++ any day) Nov 28 16:21:45 (for the sole reason that C is good at interfacing low-level, with anything, and often bidirectional, whereas C++ just pretends it can do that too but in real life turns out to suck) Nov 28 16:21:46 i still haven't stumbled on how to draw a pixel with a colour in c++ yet. i haven't looked, but i haven't found how Nov 28 16:22:31 it was simple ~12 years ago. normally you can get a buffer and write the value to the array. most likely with an OO layer on top of it if you'd fancy that Nov 28 16:22:35 alls i can see is console blah blah .. Nov 28 16:22:53 but i don't have time to learn w/ all this damned homework, and then my mobile apps Nov 28 16:23:03 which i kinda havve to do to make money Nov 28 16:23:35 search for a lib that makes it possible. sdl would be what i'd currently search for Nov 28 16:23:51 (but i'm not on windows, so i may give bad advice) Nov 28 16:24:20 eh, i really don't have time Nov 28 16:24:21 (but SDL does work on windows!) Nov 28 16:24:31 not right now Nov 28 16:24:54 i'm type of person to get grossly involved when i shouldn't Nov 28 16:25:04 yeah sure. i'd prefer to get you into paren-mode instead ;) Nov 28 16:25:12 fxspec06_: i can heavily relate to that Nov 28 16:26:12 one minute i'm drawing a pixel, the next minute it's the middle of july and i have a full grown beard Nov 28 16:27:25 :D Nov 28 16:27:29 i also have the beard... Nov 28 16:27:53 are you trying to contact me in terms of a time-machine you may or may not have developed and a todo-list you need to scratch some item off? Nov 28 16:28:13 fxspec06_, the beard is part of a C++ programmers dress code..... Nov 28 16:28:36 my to do list was like 50 lines long, and used to contain things that i wanted to, could do, should do, and also things that i'd never do Nov 28 16:29:00 then i realized i was only going to do the things that i actually do, and i deleted it all Nov 28 16:29:25 scoutcamper: lisp hackers had beards, C++ hackers had a lack of time Nov 28 16:29:43 hehehe Nov 28 16:30:00 shush Nov 28 16:30:18 * fxspec06_ throws grades in madnificent's face Nov 28 16:30:47 take your lisp and shove it! Nov 28 16:32:02 fxspec06_: i got mine with that! Nov 28 16:32:30 fxspec06_: though coding courses are fun, regardless Nov 28 16:32:53 yes they are. ALL OF THEM. Nov 28 16:33:08 there is literally only one coding course offered spring semester here Nov 28 16:33:14 (except for visual basic) Nov 28 16:33:17 and it is at an ungodly hour Nov 28 16:33:35 monday and Wednesday from 7pm-10pm Nov 28 16:33:56 i don't see why anyone would want to write windows applications for a living Nov 28 16:34:00 ie. visual basic Nov 28 16:34:10 that seems an awful lot like "bitch work" to me Nov 28 16:34:38 * scoutcamper has to write vbscript at work. its pretty awfull Nov 28 22:54:32 hello. does the touchpad support the magnetometer? Nov 29 00:06:16 you mean, like the compass? Nov 29 00:06:18 sure **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 29 02:59:59 2012