**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 19 02:59:58 2013 Jul 19 03:05:19 do you know how to meta-doctor? you could add your wifi profile and sign in to your palm profile on first run, alliviating the 'dr skipped first use' problem Jul 19 03:05:33 i dont know how Jul 19 03:06:06 how do I meta doctor? Jul 19 03:07:46 http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/meta-doctor.html Jul 19 03:09:06 ok Jul 19 03:09:13 I use it to create a wifi profile? Jul 19 03:09:27 it doesnt tell me how Jul 19 03:09:51 yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Jul 19 03:10:14 https://github.com/webos-internals/meta-doctor/blob/master/patches/webos-1.3.5/enable-firstuse-wifi.patch Jul 19 03:10:25 I need this right? Jul 19 03:10:25 BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP allows the device to start without running the Jul 19 03:10:25 First Use application. This allows phone users to enable wifi service Jul 19 03:10:25 first and use that for Palm profile creation and restoring of all the Jul 19 03:10:25 profile data. Note that to create a Palm profile you may still need to Jul 19 03:10:25 activate the cellular connection. This is not normally required on a Jul 19 03:10:29 TouchPad, as it supports wifi in the First Use app. This is not a Jul 19 03:10:29 method to use a device on a different cellular carrier. Jul 19 03:10:31 er bad url Jul 19 03:10:54 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Jul 19 03:11:13 scroll down to step 2, read the bold text Jul 19 03:12:13 ok Jul 19 03:12:17 well, you could, I think, also apply that patch Jul 19 03:12:39 and then use the device's "wipe all user data" functionality and restart Jul 19 03:13:02 and I think that'll put you at first-use without needing to make a doctor and use said doctor Jul 19 03:13:53 so I bypassfirst use, then install the patch, wipe all user data, and activate using wifi? Jul 19 03:15:24 if your device is in boots-but-has-trouble-with-appcat now, I think you've already done the bypass? so continue from there Jul 19 03:15:38 actually that's a patch for 1.3.5 Jul 19 03:15:44 that's probably not what you want Jul 19 03:16:16 what's the veer on? 2.1.2? Jul 19 03:16:23 2.1.2 Jul 19 03:18:02 hmm, then you might as well make a metadoctor I think Jul 19 03:18:14 do I need to get ubuntu? Jul 19 03:18:46 follow the directions ... I think that is the "known to work" platform Jul 19 03:19:15 that or os x it looks like, from the directions Jul 19 03:20:02 i have access to osx Jul 19 03:24:47 so, anyone wanna see 1 day's work? ;) Jul 19 03:25:06 turns out it needs osx10.6, i have 10.7 :( Jul 19 03:25:36 it might work on 10.7... no guarantees..... Jul 19 03:25:36 this is the ORIGINAL website, non-enyo: http://beta.hanskokx.com/ Jul 19 03:25:52 this is one day's work: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40574271/hanskokx-alpha/deploy/hanskokx-alpha/index.html Jul 19 03:26:03 minified and all. enyo wins Jul 19 03:27:25 that's pretty nice Jul 19 03:28:01 yeah, it is, and it's gonna get better. i def didn't think i'd get it done in 1 day.. O.O Jul 19 03:28:58 Which feature do I need to use Jul 19 03:29:18 BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP or INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES Jul 19 03:29:33 INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES Jul 19 03:29:43 you don't wanna skip the first use, that's why you're having issues Jul 19 03:30:06 * fx1 should be hired by LG to make kickass TV apps Jul 19 03:32:09 can anyone explain how to use install_wifi_profiles Jul 19 03:32:21 webOS tv wil tkae 3 min to boot up Jul 19 03:33:40 not if they put it into a deep suspend all the time, it'd only take 3 mins on a hard reboot - similar to set top boxes Jul 19 03:34:01 lots of people completely power off devices Jul 19 03:34:22 apple devices use deep sleep, they are instant on Jul 19 03:34:29 you only wait when you hard reboot it Jul 19 03:36:37 and, for the wifi profiles: you've got the meta dr directory cloned yes? from there, go to the meta-doctor directory and mkdir config;, find the prefsDB.sl file on your phone, copy it into that config directory, rename it, and then in the makefile find the line # INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES = 1 // and remove the # commment Jul 19 03:37:38 (all of which is explained www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#How_to_enable_WIFI_profiles Jul 19 03:37:54 it's been so long since i've run a meta-dr Jul 19 03:39:42 the last time I ran a meta-dr, I was putting an ext3 partition on my touchpad right after I got it Jul 19 03:40:18 didnt clone yet, still downloading ubuntu Jul 19 03:44:11 i copy the profile off the phone after i am connected to the wifi network right? Jul 19 03:44:41 yes Jul 19 03:44:58 do i have to run ubuntu natively, or is an emulated one fine too Jul 19 03:45:04 emulated is fine Jul 19 03:47:11 whew Jul 19 03:55:23 i use virtual box? Jul 19 04:03:45 do i have to install ubuntu or use Live version Jul 19 04:10:49 how do i copy the wifi prefs file off the phone? Jul 19 04:17:13 usb storage, ftp, netcat, novacom? Jul 19 04:17:45 ok Jul 19 04:28:25 is there any jre for touchpad that is not jamvm or oasisvm? Jul 19 04:28:38 neither of them work Jul 19 04:28:43 :p Jul 19 04:40:05 no chroot Jul 19 04:40:21 because there's no glx Jul 19 04:40:25 in chroots Jul 19 04:41:09 do I do Jul 19 04:41:20 make DEVICE=veer CARRIER=att all ? Jul 19 04:46:02 gtgt bed Jul 19 06:45:47 when meta-doctoring the veer Jul 19 06:45:59 do I set the carrier to world or att Jul 19 06:47:10 its ATT only Jul 19 06:57:24 ok Jul 19 07:11:45 i cant download git Jul 19 07:36:52 it tells me to rename the file Jul 19 07:36:58 but the file names are the same Jul 19 07:45:12 running the meta-doctor now! Jul 19 07:48:54 don't you set it to whichever veer you have? Jul 19 07:49:40 i did Jul 19 07:49:44 running the doctor now Jul 19 07:49:50 hope it works Jul 19 07:56:42 doctor complete! Jul 19 08:01:49 theres a problem Jul 19 08:01:54 its not connecting to the wifi Jul 19 08:06:18 it worked! Jul 19 08:06:34 thanks all! thx dwc-! thanks HaDaz! Jul 19 08:06:43 now just needs to see if AppCat will work Jul 19 08:50:51 hi Jul 19 08:54:03 I'm still getting AppLists error Jul 19 09:41:22 how do I fix "AppLists not defined" Jul 19 12:12:39 hi Jul 19 12:13:50 hey Amish. you get your veer issue sorted out? Jul 19 12:14:03 i created a meta doctor Jul 19 12:14:09 so i could activate with wifi Jul 19 12:14:15 :) Jul 19 12:14:16 but still the same AppCat problem Jul 19 12:14:24 you're activated properly though? Jul 19 12:14:29 yes Jul 19 12:14:55 I have "Cannot call method "cancel" of undefined" Jul 19 12:14:59 O_o Jul 19 12:15:02 and "AppLists is not defined" Jul 19 12:15:34 the file that always causes problems is the com.palm.app.findapps/allscriptscompressed.js1 Jul 19 12:15:39 file Jul 19 12:15:41 for both errors Jul 19 12:16:02 what's the md5sum for that file? Jul 19 12:16:13 i'll try to copy over my doctor and uncompress it to compare Jul 19 12:16:39 1 more thing, I only get the AppLists error without sim Jul 19 12:16:44 with sim, I get both errors Jul 19 12:17:38 i find this all very peculiar Jul 19 12:18:03 /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/allscriptscompressed.js1 Jul 19 12:18:07 it is a file within an app Jul 19 12:18:13 How do I get that? Jul 19 12:18:26 md5sum /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/allscriptscompressed.js1 Jul 19 12:18:32 i would assume :P Jul 19 12:18:49 in linux commandline in wosqi? Jul 19 12:18:54 cli Jul 19 12:20:20 it cannot Jul 19 12:20:26 No such file or directory Jul 19 12:20:34 do you want the md5 of just the app? Jul 19 12:26:33 well, if the file isn't there, no wonder it's erroring out ;) Jul 19 12:27:02 even when i target the app, it says file not there Jul 19 12:27:34 can you cd to /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications? Jul 19 12:28:09 yes Jul 19 12:28:42 ls |grep findapps Jul 19 12:28:45 what do you see? Jul 19 12:29:11 ls lgrep findapps? Jul 19 12:29:17 no Jul 19 12:29:22 ls | grep findapps Jul 19 12:29:28 that's not an l, it's a pipe. | Jul 19 12:29:35 ok Jul 19 12:29:41 got com.palm.app.findapps Jul 19 12:30:05 you know how you asked whether i activated successfully? Jul 19 12:30:16 yes Jul 19 12:30:17 in my palm profile, device name, phone number, product is empty Jul 19 12:30:29 only serial, imei, model, os is filled in Jul 19 12:30:36 hum. Jul 19 12:30:43 you could probably use impostah to fill that in. Jul 19 12:30:58 i'm not surprised that your phone number isn't filled in, without a sim card properly registered on the network Jul 19 12:31:20 fwiw, if you had another phone, you could probably just sideload the apps :P Jul 19 12:31:51 i'm still pulling down my webos doctor. it'll be a few minutes. i'm going to grab breakfast. Jul 19 12:31:54 that would defeat the purpose of appcat Jul 19 12:32:15 i just signed in with impostah, how long would the website take to update? Jul 19 12:45:23 omg Jul 19 12:45:39 my imei number on my webos profile ends with 663 Jul 19 12:57:08 do you know the App Catalog country changer app? Jul 19 12:57:34 so I was thinking that maybe something's messed up with the country so I used it to change my AppCat country just now Jul 19 12:57:59 I entered the right device id (imei) and token, but it keeps saying wrong device id Jul 19 13:11:48 yum. lucky charms. Jul 19 13:14:29 what should i do? Jul 19 13:15:39 feels like a palm profile problem Jul 19 13:15:55 should i re-meta-doctor, and activate with a fresh profile? Jul 19 13:16:20 hold on. Jul 19 13:18:08 http://cl.ly/code/0s2q1c1k2K04 Jul 19 13:18:19 that's the allscriptscompressed.js you were missing Jul 19 13:18:41 ok Jul 19 13:19:04 actually Jul 19 13:19:06 http://cl.ly/3J1z19413d1d Jul 19 13:19:07 what do i do with this Jul 19 13:19:09 that's the whole ipk Jul 19 13:19:12 just sideload that ipk Jul 19 13:19:14 see if that helps at all Jul 19 13:20:01 installed Jul 19 13:20:14 now launch appcat? Jul 19 13:20:59 yes Jul 19 13:21:20 drumroll Jul 19 13:21:27 * HaDAk fingers crossed Jul 19 13:21:27 same error :O Jul 19 13:21:31 le sigh. Jul 19 13:21:44 can you send me /var/log/messages? Jul 19 13:22:28 yes Jul 19 13:22:54 can i get it with wosqi Jul 19 13:23:42 or lumberjack? Jul 19 13:24:16 wosqi? you mean novaterm? Jul 19 13:24:21 yes Jul 19 13:24:28 or receive file function Jul 19 13:24:33 yeah, you should be able to palm pull it off Jul 19 13:24:50 * fx1 rolls over Jul 19 13:25:09 that's right, fx1. whose your daddy Jul 19 13:26:15 * fx1 makes a mumbled disconjointed sound Jul 19 13:26:55 http://cl.ly/QLtY Jul 19 13:28:02 does that link work for you? Jul 19 13:28:13 yes Jul 19 13:28:19 give me a minute to look through it. Jul 19 13:29:40 * fx1 starts timer Jul 19 13:29:51 * HaDAk shoves the timer up fx1's ass Jul 19 13:30:00 lol Jul 19 13:30:01 buzzzzz Apotheker'ed Jul 19 13:33:54 2013-07-19T13:19:55.152809Z [10764] palm-webos user.err configurator[11313]: [configurator] Failed to open directory: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/configuration/db/kinds Jul 19 13:33:55 2013-07-19T13:19:55.153471Z [10764] palm-webos user.notice configurator[11313]: [configurator] No configurations found in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/configuration/db/kinds Jul 19 13:33:55 2013-07-19T13:19:55.154737Z [10764] palm-webos user.err configurator[11313]: [configurator] Failed to open directory: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/configuration/tempdb/kinds Jul 19 13:33:55 2013-07-19T13:19:55.155349Z [10764] palm-webos user.notice configurator[11313]: [configurator] No configurations found in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/configuration/tempdb/kinds Jul 19 13:33:55 2013-07-19T13:19:55.156488Z [10764] palm-webos user.err configurator[11313]: [configurator] Failed to open directory: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/configuration/db/permissions Jul 19 13:33:55 2013-07-19T13:19:55.157096Z [10764] palm-webos user.notice configurator[11313]: [configurator] No configurations found in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/configuration/db/permissions Jul 19 13:33:56 2013-07-19T13:19:55.175273Z [10764] palm-webos user.err configurator[11313]: [configurator] Failed to open directory: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/configuration/tempdb/permissions Jul 19 13:33:56 2013-07-19T13:19:55.175886Z [10764] palm-webos user.notice configurator[11313]: [configurator] No configurations found in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/configuration/tempdb/permissions Jul 19 13:33:56 2013-07-19T13:19:55.177024Z [10764] palm-webos user.err configurator[11313]: [configurator] Failed to open directory: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/configuration/filecache_types Jul 19 13:33:57 2013-07-19T13:19:55.177636Z [10764] palm-webos user.notice configurator[11313]: [configurator] No configurations found in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/configuration/filecache_types Jul 19 13:33:58 2013-07-19T13:19:55.178772Z [10764] palm-webos user.err configurator[11313]: [configurator] Failed to open directory: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/configuration/activities Jul 19 13:33:58 2013-07-19T13:19:55.179380Z [10764] palm-webos user.notice configurator[11313]: [configurator] No configurations found in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/configuration/activities Jul 19 13:34:26 that might be a problem Jul 19 13:34:35 what do they mean Jul 19 13:34:36 try doing this Jul 19 13:34:37 PmLogCtl set LunaSysMgr debug Jul 19 13:34:38 PmLogCtl set LunaSysMgrJS debug Jul 19 13:34:42 then opening it again Jul 19 13:34:47 and sending over messages one more time Jul 19 13:34:54 make a note of the timestamp Jul 19 13:34:54 into wosqi linux commandline? Jul 19 13:34:57 yes Jul 19 13:35:14 ls-monitor output too Jul 19 13:35:40 i type that into command line Jul 19 13:35:50 then timestamps where? Jul 19 13:36:09 just make a note of the timestamp when you start the app Jul 19 13:36:21 so we don't have to dig through unnecessary logs Jul 19 13:37:02 i dont follow log this time - just go to Ls2 monitor instead Jul 19 13:37:05 yes? Jul 19 13:39:00 send it over Jul 19 13:39:17 ok Jul 19 13:39:21 timestamp is 6.37 Jul 19 13:40:15 http://cl.ly/3n2m2i2Y273n Jul 19 13:43:14 2013-07-19T13:19:54.937803Z [10764] palm-webos user.notice ApplicationInstallerUtility: install: tried to run /media/cryptofs/apps/.scripts/com.palm.app.findapps/pmPostInstall.script as post-install script - result = 1 Jul 19 13:44:47 what does that mean? Jul 19 13:44:59 not sure yet. Jul 19 13:45:02 digging up the file Jul 19 13:45:46 apparently it does not come with the ipkg O_o Jul 19 13:45:58 there was nothing in the ls2 monitor Jul 19 13:46:04 hum Jul 19 13:46:15 can you see if that file exists on your device? Jul 19 13:46:29 which file? Jul 19 13:46:44 /media/cryptofs/apps/.scripts/com.palm.app.findapps/pmPostInstall.script Jul 19 13:47:11 with Receive file in WOSQI? Jul 19 13:47:42 sure Jul 19 13:47:49 ship it over Jul 19 13:48:23 the file is there Jul 19 13:48:24 sending Jul 19 13:49:03 http://cl.ly/05082V29290A Jul 19 13:49:37 it's empty. Jul 19 13:50:27 is that just because i used Receive File? Jul 19 13:50:40 doubtful Jul 19 13:53:02 interesting Jul 19 13:53:10 allscripts.js doesn't define appslists Jul 19 13:53:16 it's only ever mentioned here Jul 19 13:53:16 Catalog.AppLists = Catalog.AppLists || new AppLists; Jul 19 13:53:29 whats the regular behavior? Jul 19 13:53:37 dunno Jul 19 13:53:58 i think its something about palm profile and app cat association Jul 19 13:54:44 oh wait Jul 19 13:55:26 i think i found where that function is created Jul 19 14:00:04 * HaDAk is out of ideas Jul 19 14:00:21 i feel like my palm profile is wonky Jul 19 14:00:30 i might try a fresh profile Jul 19 14:00:40 probably, but i was hoping i could find the place in the code that was throwing the error Jul 19 14:00:46 so we could see what it was trying to do at the time Jul 19 14:00:59 but i can't focus well enough to do that Jul 19 14:02:00 does it have anything to do with activating in an unsupported country? Jul 19 14:02:14 that's the only thing that i can think of Jul 19 14:02:23 if you activated here and brought it there, you'd probably be fine Jul 19 14:02:43 when I had my pre 3, i used impostah first thing and all was good Jul 19 14:02:51 hum Jul 19 14:02:57 with the Veer, I didnt, i just activated normally Jul 19 14:03:48 where are the palm profile/impostah/app cat experts Jul 19 14:04:44 generally in #webos-ports Jul 19 14:08:31 probably a palm profile problem Jul 19 14:08:39 because the App Cat country changer app doesnt work Jul 19 14:09:18 T.T Jul 19 14:11:31 dont know if this is just me, but webos is more pleasant on the veer Jul 19 14:12:35 that's what i've heard. it was too small for me to take seriously. Jul 19 14:12:42 i wanted a large screen. pre3 size or larger. Jul 19 14:12:47 but i never got my hands on a pre3 Jul 19 14:13:05 you always see problems on the pre 3 Jul 19 14:13:19 even system icons dont scale Jul 19 14:13:20 it was more popular. Jul 19 14:13:22 oh Jul 19 14:13:26 everything is artifacted Jul 19 14:13:30 well, it was end of lifecycle Jul 19 14:13:40 i'm still bitter about how poorly webos was treated Jul 19 14:13:44 it could have done so much better Jul 19 14:13:51 when i meta doctor, i see a tux penguin every time i boot Jul 19 14:13:54 can i remove that Jul 19 14:13:57 i like tux Jul 19 14:14:03 but i dont want it there Jul 19 14:14:27 i dunno. probably. find the resource and replace it. Jul 19 14:18:16 just activated a new palm profile Jul 19 14:19:25 it booted up Jul 19 14:19:29 should i update app cat first Jul 19 14:19:32 or open app cat first Jul 19 14:19:46 or should i get lumberjack first Jul 19 14:20:41 i could guess for you Jul 19 14:21:04 please do Jul 19 14:21:38 * HaDAk shakes his 8-ball Jul 19 14:21:53 but whatever i do, i should get lumberjack first Jul 19 14:22:02 i'd say…try opening it. see what happens. if it fails, update. if it still fails, check the logs for an error that's useful. Jul 19 14:22:08 to see the logs Jul 19 14:24:32 APPLISTS NOT DEFINED Jul 19 14:25:07 i got that error Jul 19 14:25:11 then i accept the terms Jul 19 14:25:14 then it works Jul 19 14:25:39 it's working now? Jul 19 14:25:47 i can access app cat now Jul 19 14:25:57 your profile is broked somehow Jul 19 14:26:32 should i push my luck Jul 19 14:26:41 and use app cat country changer to change it to us Jul 19 14:26:52 you can always change it back Jul 19 14:26:54 right now it is probably set to an unsupported region Jul 19 14:27:37 impostah's access country is empty Jul 19 14:27:39 LOL Jul 19 14:30:43 in your meta-doctor config, CUSTOM_BOOTLOGO Jul 19 14:30:52 you can comment that out Jul 19 14:30:59 nice. Jul 19 14:31:54 HUH Jul 19 14:32:08 the App Catalog country changer app Jul 19 14:32:09 fails Jul 19 14:32:13 and messes up my palm profile Jul 19 14:32:26 yowza Jul 19 14:32:30 gives me a wrong device id error, when is it correct Jul 19 14:33:34 no one reported this, did hp change something server-side? Jul 19 14:33:47 eric would know :P Jul 19 14:33:51 but he's been mia Jul 19 14:34:07 HaDAk, is it possible to remove boot logo Jul 19 14:34:15 without making a new meta doctor? Jul 19 14:34:25 and is it possible to fix my palm profiles? Jul 19 14:34:33 i changed my boot logo once Jul 19 14:34:40 but it's been so long Jul 19 14:35:05 the usual one you can just replace Jul 19 14:35:17 i dont know whether the tux one is another file Jul 19 14:35:39 oh, it's scrolling the boot messages when you're starting up? Jul 19 14:35:45 i think that's in the kernel config or some such Jul 19 14:35:54 dwc- is probably right… Jul 19 14:36:10 i don't know. i don't have one in front of me to experiment with Jul 19 14:38:08 i have to redoctor Jul 19 14:38:12 and make another palm profile Jul 19 14:38:13 lol Jul 19 14:38:22 i just want to fix my original palm profile Jul 19 14:39:25 i can't help you there :() Jul 19 14:40:09 ill start over Jul 19 14:40:16 thanks! Jul 19 14:40:23 turns out i pushed my luck! Jul 19 14:40:26 hah Jul 19 14:40:28 yeah. well. Jul 19 14:40:35 at least you know it's not the software…it's the cloud Jul 19 14:41:44 which do you think will get shut down first Jul 19 14:41:46 App Cat Jul 19 14:41:49 or Precentral feeds Jul 19 14:41:58 are you trying to depress me? T.T Jul 19 14:42:17 everyone is all over the move everything away from palm profile Jul 19 14:42:25 hp will shut down the app cat feeds Jul 19 14:42:32 eventually. Jul 19 14:42:35 is it past the deadline for updating the app catalog? Jul 19 14:42:37 but mobilenations might actually close precentral feeds first Jul 19 14:42:42 july 23rd Jul 19 14:42:43 no, baboo Jul 19 14:42:46 ok Jul 19 14:42:54 honestly? i think they'll keep it open Jul 19 14:42:56 so thats not the problem Jul 19 14:43:02 oh :P Jul 19 14:43:07 there are other webos devices in the pipeline. why shut down something you'll probably need soon Jul 19 14:43:15 yeah Jul 19 14:43:25 so precentral feeds go first Jul 19 14:43:26 unless a new profile is being made Jul 19 14:43:37 tv's dont need profiles Jul 19 14:43:45 true Jul 19 14:45:58 i think the lg webos tv Jul 19 14:46:03 will be so different Jul 19 14:46:09 that you cant even tell it's webOS Jul 19 14:46:11 no enyo? Jul 19 14:46:29 the font won't be prelude, the interface is will have sharp squares, the color scheme will change Jul 19 14:46:38 it won't be the webOS i know and love Jul 19 14:46:55 waaaa :'( Jul 19 14:47:14 * baboo floods the world with his tears Jul 19 14:47:19 i've seen it. i've played with it. Jul 19 14:47:29 does it use prelude Jul 19 14:47:30 * HaDAk zips it Jul 19 14:47:31 at the least Jul 19 14:47:51 oh well, maybe my dad will tell me Jul 19 14:47:54 :D Jul 19 14:48:39 hadak are you impressed? Jul 19 14:48:58 by the tv? Jul 19 14:49:03 yes Jul 19 14:49:04 it has potential. Jul 19 14:49:14 it's still early. Jul 19 14:49:26 potential is the best word to describe webOS Jul 19 14:49:39 well. it's still early. Jul 19 14:49:40 the adjective is unrealized Jul 19 14:49:56 as far as i know, they're going to rewrite the ui. so, what i saw doesn't count Jul 19 14:50:04 but some of the functionality? very cool stuff. Jul 19 14:50:13 can you at least say whether they used prelude Jul 19 14:50:22 :D Jul 19 14:50:27 if i could remember. :) Jul 19 14:50:43 prelude is the most iconic thing about webOS Jul 19 14:50:47 yeah Jul 19 14:50:49 gives it character Jul 19 14:50:49 i love prelude Jul 19 14:50:50 * baboo shatters the earth with his laughs Jul 19 14:51:13 not really Jul 19 14:52:11 i love coconut more Jul 19 14:52:15 am i insane? Jul 19 14:52:25 i like monaco best Jul 19 14:52:32 ive never seen monaco Jul 19 14:52:46 cloud9 ide code font Jul 19 14:52:55 or jsfiddle Jul 19 14:53:29 i just want a monospaced comic sans Jul 19 14:53:33 is that so much to ask for? Jul 19 14:53:58