**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 20 02:59:58 2013 Jul 20 03:43:58 hi Jul 20 03:47:29 anyone want to help me with my Veer's AppCat issues? Jul 20 03:48:33 well i have a veer Jul 20 03:48:48 but i may not be much help Jul 20 03:49:08 i'm not that good with network and palm profile stuff Jul 20 03:50:32 I get "applists not defined" "error in obtaining device id" "unanble to authenticate" Jul 20 03:53:14 is palm profile getting weird for everyone, or just me? Jul 20 03:53:34 did you do the first use? Jul 20 03:53:46 i activated normally Jul 20 03:53:52 ok Jul 20 03:54:04 AppCat worked fine yesterday Jul 20 03:54:06 i was rejoicing Jul 20 03:54:11 oh :p Jul 20 03:54:15 then i rebooted, and then it stopped working Jul 20 03:54:38 what did you do to fix it Jul 20 03:54:42 i only got AppLists error at first, then I installed the maps update Jul 20 03:54:49 and now i also get deviceid error Jul 20 03:55:02 I used a fresh Palm profile and it worked Jul 20 03:55:06 until i rebooted Jul 20 04:12:32 my pre+ has app cat issues! Jul 20 04:12:35 * fx1 high fives Jul 20 04:14:32 just now? Jul 20 04:15:57 to be fair it's the first time i've turned it on in ...... a while Jul 20 04:16:14 is it just me? i broke 4 palm profiles Jul 20 04:16:21 2 old ones, 2 fresh ones Jul 20 04:18:01 i think it's their servers, but i could be wrong Jul 20 04:21:22 i hope it is Jul 20 04:21:27 i hope i can get my profiles back Jul 20 08:02:09 Seems to be just you, my app cat still works fine on my Veer Jul 20 12:59:10 does anyone know how to fix the "AppLists is not defined" error? Jul 20 13:01:48 Amish: it is enyo error? Jul 20 13:01:59 From where goest this error? Jul 20 13:02:05 App Catalog Jul 20 13:04:59 Amish: TouchPad? Jul 20 13:05:05 Veer Jul 20 14:23:53 i don't have a veer to test =\ Jul 20 14:23:58 what country are you on? Jul 20 14:25:56 Thailand Jul 20 14:26:04 unsupported Appcat counrt Jul 20 14:26:06 country Jul 20 14:35:25 Country shouldn't matter... Mine work in NL which also doesn't have paid apps in appcat Jul 20 14:36:32 some weird problem Jul 20 14:36:38 I can get it to work with a new profile Jul 20 14:36:40 then I reboot Jul 20 14:36:47 then I get AppLists not defined error Jul 20 14:36:54 in lumberjack Jul 20 14:49:40 AppLists not defined? find the line, then track it Jul 20 14:49:58 the apps are in /usr/palm/applications/ i believe Jul 20 14:51:55 ok Jul 20 14:52:05 do you want var/log/messages? Jul 20 14:54:30 if it contains useful information, sure Jul 20 14:54:52 i dont know Jul 20 14:55:20 http://cl.ly/3n2m2i2Y273n Jul 20 14:56:34 i've doctored it many times Jul 20 14:56:43 so i dont think it is my files Jul 20 14:57:08 i've even individually replaced my files with the doctor's Jul 20 14:58:51 AppLists is not defined, file:///media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/allscriptscompressed.js:1 Jul 20 14:59:36 i'm reading through the end of it, hang on Jul 20 15:02:51 lol, the logs after that are funny Jul 20 15:02:53 2013-07-19T13:37:35.411362Z [11824] palm-webos user.warning activitymanager[1880]: [activitymanager.activitymanager] Can't remove focus from [Activity 282], which is not focused Jul 20 15:03:05 can't remove focus from ... something that isn't focused Jul 20 15:03:18 lmao Jul 20 15:04:03 i dont understand Jul 20 15:04:33 eh, it's a consequence of the previous error, i guess you'd have to know Mojo to really think it's funny Jul 20 15:04:57 is it just me, or are mojo apps more beautiful than enyo ones Jul 20 15:04:57 Mojo always found ways to crash on everyone, and when it does strange things show up in logs Jul 20 15:05:20 I cant find Preware in the WOSQI feeds anymore Jul 20 15:05:29 Mojo was the art of the original webos creators, it was their lifelong vision Jul 20 15:05:49 Enyo was the result of a bunch of people winging it, basically Jul 20 15:05:49 im going insane, preware disappeared Jul 20 15:05:58 enyo has more potential Jul 20 15:06:03 it just isnt beautiful Jul 20 15:06:05 that's kind of harsh, but somewhat accurate Jul 20 15:06:42 enyo was made because Mojo kept crashing, and was just plain awful to write code for Jul 20 15:06:52 beauty comes at a price sometimes Jul 20 15:07:13 I CANT FIND PREWARE WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Jul 20 15:07:15 if you look closely too, even enyo has regressed in terms of beauty Jul 20 15:07:20 IMO. Jul 20 15:07:21 reloaded the feed twice Jul 20 15:07:37 however sacrifices sometimes have to be made in favor of functionality =\ Jul 20 15:07:52 wait Jul 20 15:07:57 webOS apocalypse Jul 20 15:08:00 preware is gone Jul 20 15:08:03 like seriously Jul 20 15:08:07 its missing from the feed Jul 20 15:08:20 uhm... what feed? Jul 20 15:08:37 WOSQI feeds Jul 20 15:09:01 webos internal feeds Jul 20 15:09:12 it's probably on the partition, taking up folder space, but not on the launcher Jul 20 15:09:12 like impostah and other apps are still there Jul 20 15:09:22 do you have internalz installed? Jul 20 15:09:33 not yet Jul 20 15:09:49 LMAO Jul 20 15:09:52 I installed it Jul 20 15:09:55 and forgot to scroll down Jul 20 15:10:09 user error! Jul 20 15:10:14 JHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Jul 20 15:10:40 all the app cat error Jul 20 15:10:43 errors Jul 20 15:11:00 come from the allscriptscompressed.js in the findapps app Jul 20 15:11:22 HaDaz helped me replace the file yesterday Jul 20 15:11:23 i wish i could reproduce your glitch. it seems very intriguing Jul 20 15:11:38 it has something to do with palm profiles Jul 20 15:11:44 It worked when I used a new one Jul 20 15:11:59 then I rebooted, or something else triggered it Jul 20 15:12:03 and it just stopped working Jul 20 15:13:03 2013-07-19T13:37:32.662210Z [11822] palm-webos user.notice LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: com.palm.app.findapps: =========> Calling palmInitFramework367, file:///usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/mojo.js:142 Jul 20 15:13:12 this is called every time before findapps is launched Jul 20 15:13:32 take a look, see what that file is Jul 20 15:13:46 what file do I look at? Jul 20 15:13:55 well obv it's the mojo source file.. but the line Jul 20 15:14:07 usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/mojo.js:1421 Jul 20 15:14:09 hi Jul 20 15:14:09 142** Jul 20 15:14:40 also, findapps is launched headless, so it does stuff before it appears on scree Jul 20 15:14:51 is there a way to remove an account from synergie ? I have left over accounts for jabber, icq and so on but removed the messaging plugins. The accounts app does nothing if I tap delete account there Jul 20 15:15:06 headless apps are like 2 apps in one, there are dual index.html files for them, and are separate from each other in scripts being run Jul 20 15:15:16 what app do I have to open the file in to see line #s Jul 20 15:16:01 in other words, findapps is erroring in the headless stage, which is unaffecting the "fat app" part of it -- but something is breaking in the headless stage that makes findapps not have a AppLists variable Jul 20 15:16:22 is it server side, something to do with my palm profiles? Jul 20 15:16:28 * fx1 thinks the headless stage should pass the AppLists to the main stage Jul 20 15:16:36 if my assumption is correct. Jul 20 15:16:41 * fx1 doesn't have findapps in front of him Jul 20 15:16:57 Internalz is a neat file browser you can use ;) Jul 20 15:19:08 internalz doesnt show line numbers Jul 20 15:19:12 at least for me it doesnt Jul 20 15:19:54 hmm. idk what app does Jul 20 15:20:09 i opened it in notepad++ in windows Jul 20 15:20:13 I see the line Jul 20 15:20:20 but the text is encoded weird Jul 20 15:20:25 cant read anything Jul 20 15:21:44 this is line 142: console.log("=========> Calling " + builtinFrameworkName); Jul 20 15:22:01 what's the next segment Jul 20 15:22:14 if (builtinFrameworkInit) { Jul 20 15:22:14 console.log("=========> Calling " + builtinFrameworkName); Jul 20 15:22:15 builtinFrameworkInit(window,navigator,document); Jul 20 15:22:51 oh ok i know, that just calls Mojo for the app. k Jul 20 15:23:09 do you know the App Catalog country changer app? Jul 20 15:23:13 er, it gets the framework ready w/ palmsystem Jul 20 15:23:20 it also fails and causes this error Jul 20 15:23:22 not really Jul 20 15:27:12 is rod the only person that understands Palm Profiles+AppCAt+ Impostah? Jul 20 15:31:15 here's what i know: 1. the app is called to launch 2. the system does it's usual app switching routine, fiddling with windows and backgrounds 3. the framework is loaded for findapps, it's given a process id and the app launcher deactivates 3. the device LED does magic and dims, findapps is given focus and rendered 4. findapps SHOULD have been passed an AppLists variable (from where, we must find Jul 20 15:31:15 out), but isn't, and errors **immediately** (to find when it actually errors, must go through the headless code) 5. findapps is rendered, the app reaches READY stage and then errors again, as expected Jul 20 15:31:53 the thing is, when i use a new profile Jul 20 15:31:57 Rod is the man, he knows everything Jul 20 15:32:00 i dont get the error Jul 20 15:32:06 Rod is MIA Jul 20 15:32:32 Rod has a right to MIA, although his presense would be welcome Jul 20 15:32:55 maybe interesting to see the logs for when it works Jul 20 15:32:59 he's off doing awesome stuff Jul 20 15:33:16 the logs are there too, before the reboot Jul 20 15:33:17 he's probably saving another planet in another galaxy right now Jul 20 15:33:40 he is being fed grapes by Hurd's gf in an alternate universe Jul 20 15:33:58 the logs of it working are there, before the reboot and massive installation of apps Jul 20 15:36:06 yeah, i'm gettin there Jul 20 15:36:10 hard to find launch line Jul 20 15:36:46 in an alternate universe, HP bought RIM and doubled down on it Jul 20 15:38:19 i'll brb Jul 20 15:38:24 damn, my counting is horrible! look at my paragraph, i go 1-2-3-3-4-5 Jul 20 15:48:46 aha, finally, the ONLY run here you have that works Jul 20 15:48:54 5,000 lines of log Jul 20 15:50:45 i think those are from Jul 20 15:50:52 er, nvm, this is another fail Jul 20 15:50:54 all the massive installations i did Jul 20 15:50:55 i can't find your success run Jul 20 15:51:03 i know, i just scrolled the whole thing Jul 20 15:51:07 i thought i was set Jul 20 15:51:17 so i installed like 20 apps+ patches and rebooted Jul 20 15:52:37 can someone tell me where the synergy accounts are saved to ? Jul 20 15:54:40 if all else fails Jul 20 15:54:41 yeah man every run in that log is a failure Jul 20 15:54:48 exactly the same way, too Jul 20 15:54:49 im just gonna app tuckerbox Jul 20 15:55:05 been trying to fix this for 3 days Jul 20 15:55:35 no, don't give up now! Jul 20 15:55:42 get me a log of a success run Jul 20 15:56:03 its there before the reboot! Jul 20 15:56:12 i didn't find it Jul 20 15:56:31 im gonna redoctor and use a new palm profile then Jul 20 15:56:46 if i redoctor, logs are refreshed right? Jul 20 15:56:55 yeah logs are gone Jul 20 15:58:15 doctoring now Jul 20 15:59:39 i have findapps here somewhere. Jul 20 16:00:55 i'll see you later Jul 20 16:00:59 k Jul 20 16:15:48 \usr\palm\frameworks\globalization\submission\44\javascript contains interesting stuff Jul 20 16:44:41 you don't need to doctor if you just want to kill the logs Jul 20 16:44:51 i found the file that dishes out applists. Jul 20 16:45:19 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40574271/com.palm.app.findapps/weave/services/appcatalogservice.js line 375 Jul 20 16:45:28 i THINK. Jul 20 16:45:49 i've gone through every other folder in mojo and findapps Jul 20 16:46:36 veer so tiny Jul 20 16:47:12 also: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40574271/com.palm.app.findapps/weave/services/catalogserver.js has a lot of juicy stuff Jul 20 16:49:18 my veer's appcat launches Jul 20 16:49:57 ohh boy, more juicy stuff: an applists.js file! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40574271/com.palm.app.findapps/weave/download/applists.js Jul 20 16:50:36 hmm, so if the clock being wrong affects appcat downloads, how are people going to download the updates after jul 29 or whatever Jul 20 16:50:38 and, the last file that references AppLists variable in the findapps package: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40574271/com.palm.app.findapps/weave/download/appdownloadmanager.js Jul 20 16:50:52 i did a find in files, those are the only three that have "applists" Jul 20 16:51:53 so, in order for him to have "AppLists is not defined" error, that "weave" package must not be loading Jul 20 16:52:33 which could mean verification is breaking before weave is loaded in script, which would happen during app launch Jul 20 16:52:37 * fx1 head exploding Jul 20 16:53:39 what is it you're seeing amish, nothing launching? or appcat loads and has black screen? Jul 20 16:54:27 so weird using the veer with its short square minimized cards Jul 20 16:54:28 he's gone for now Jul 20 16:54:49 he's seeing a cancel button, that's what i gather from the logs Jul 20 16:55:28 Weave basically controls everything app catalog related i seeing. it has all the goodies Jul 20 16:57:02 ok, so the error is Uncaught ReferenceError: AppLists is not defined, file:///media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/allscriptscompressed.js:1 Jul 20 16:57:19 which screws us over because it doesn't give us any column info. Jul 20 16:58:18 IF he somehow were able to get it to NOT load the compressed and instead load the chain of source.js's, it'd be evident WHERE in the loading process the error occurred Jul 20 16:59:18 can't we do that? Jul 20 17:00:11 AppLists is not defined could mean a number of things, but I tend to think it's PROBABLY an accident and not on purpose, because there are special cases for just about every type of restriction you can think of Jul 20 17:00:46 if something were wonky with his country or email, i **ASSUME** the error would be caught and properly dispatched, and presented to the user Jul 20 17:01:09 sources.json tells it to load allscriptscompressed.js? Jul 20 17:01:11 but, i'm really not knowledgeable either Jul 20 17:01:34 yep, at the end, after it loads all the assistants Jul 20 17:01:46 so couldn't he edit that to load allscripts.js instead? Jul 20 17:02:59 the VERY LAST BLOCK of chars in allscriptscompressed.js is this: Catalog.AppDownloadMngr=Catalog.AppDownloadMngr||new AppDownloadManager;Catalog.AppLists=Catalog.AppLists||new AppLists; Jul 20 17:03:39 so, AppLists is not defined; would mean that Catalog.AppLists=Catalog.AppLists is null/false Jul 20 17:03:48 and "new AppLists" is executing Jul 20 17:03:53 erroring... Jul 20 17:04:41 var Catalog=Catalog||{};Catalog.AppDownloadMngr=Catalog.AppDownloadMngr||new AppDownloadManager;Catalog.AppLists=Catalog.AppLists||new AppLists; // one more line behind, Catalog is apparently defined Jul 20 17:05:08 and if Catalog doesn't exist in the window already, eval({}); is executing which is basically nothing. Jul 20 17:06:21 and Catalog is referenced everywhere in the file, man idk Jul 20 17:08:08 yeah, that's a good next step dwc- Jul 20 17:09:16 everything in weave is in allscripts, so that's a positive sign Jul 20 17:09:55 remember tho that anything modified in a com.palm. app is reset on reboot Jul 20 17:10:32 eh? from where? Jul 20 17:10:40 no clue. Jul 20 17:11:09 er actually no, that's false, i was thinking remember the voice dial app where everyone was trying to delete and remove it Jul 20 17:11:16 i modified maps app and it stayed the same after reboot Jul 20 17:12:01 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40574271/com.palm.app.findapps/allscripts.js line 5982 Jul 20 17:12:56 that's literally the line that calls the palm server. Jul 20 17:12:57 * fx1 BOSS Jul 20 17:14:25 HA. and right below it i see the function that creates the CatalogServer Jul 20 17:17:22 line 7401 is addAccount function, shows in plain text each verification method Jul 20 17:17:39 er, credit card acct / Jul 20 17:31:52 i can't find where that AppLists.js file is ever loaded, though Jul 20 17:33:05 * fx1 searches entire filesystem Jul 20 17:36:18 com.palm.app.swmanager has a TON of references Jul 20 17:41:15 wow, apparently that IS .findapps, but findapps DOESN'T LOAD "AppLists" in weaver, while swmanager DOES! Jul 20 17:41:18 Holy crap Jul 20 17:42:15 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40574271/com.palm.app.swmanager/com.palm.app.swmanager/allscripts.js Jul 20 17:42:41 892, weaver loads applists Jul 20 17:42:53 7212, applists is defined Jul 20 17:43:06 meh. i quit for now Jul 20 17:43:10 * fx1 put in work **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 21 02:59:58 2013