**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 07 02:59:58 2013
Aug 07 13:59:01 <madnificent> so, what should i be flashing on my touchpad these days?  is it LunaCE (which seems like it didn't receive much development time), or is there an openwebos port?
Aug 07 16:03:20 <ahungry> is it possible for webos 1.4.x to be installed on a pre2?
Aug 07 16:03:25 <ahungry> I thought pre2 had webos 2.x+
Aug 07 16:12:07 <madnificent> ahungry: i have no idea, but it's the first time i've seen it asked.  why would you do that?
Aug 07 16:15:43 <ahungry> I have a palm pre, which I thought was pre2, but I notice i have webos 1.4 on it
Aug 07 16:15:56 <ahungry> is there a good way I can distinguish between a pre2 and a pre plus?
Aug 07 16:29:51 <madnificent> ahungry: the pre2 has a flat screen which doesn't scratch.  the pre plus's screen is nicely curved.
Aug 07 16:30:39 <madnificent> ahungry: the pre and pre plus (IIRC) both have a round button which you can press in the center of the gesture area.  the pre2 handles the pressing in that location in software instead.
Aug 07 16:34:36 <ahungry> ok it is pre2, no button other than qwerty
Aug 07 16:34:53 <ahungry> maybe when I installed preware a few years ago it took off webos2 and put on webos1.4
Aug 07 16:35:06 <ahungry> or I have a weird combo of pre2 + webos1.4
Aug 07 17:17:57 <madnificent> perhaps.  i find it odd.  i don't think they were sold with webos1.4.  either case, you can flash the newer version on it if you want :)
Aug 07 17:19:54 <ahungry> is there a big difference?
Aug 07 17:19:59 <ahungry> are a lot more apps avaialble on 2.x than 1.4?
Aug 07 17:20:07 <ahungry> also - is a pre3 worth the $200 upgrade cost?
Aug 07 17:20:18 <ahungry> i just tried out windows, iphone, android and blackberry
Aug 07 17:20:21 <ahungry> none even come close to te pre2
Aug 07 17:20:46 <ahungry> how wide is the terminal on the pre3?  pre2 terminal is too small to play a game like crawl over ssh
Aug 07 17:20:53 <ahungry> sdlterminal app or whatever
Aug 07 17:47:45 <dwc-> I don't think 1.4 was able to be put on a pre2
Aug 07 17:49:18 <dwc-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Palm_Pre.jpg (pre-, complete with orange buttons)
Aug 07 17:49:34 <dwc-> http://www.gsmarena.com/palm_pre_2-pictures-3559.php (pre2)
Aug 07 17:50:07 <dwc-> if you can boot it, you should be able to get the info out of the device info
Aug 07 17:50:48 <dwc-> under the battery, there's also a model #
Aug 07 18:12:35 <ahungry> mine has no orange buttons
Aug 07 18:12:53 <ahungry> definitely webos 1.4
Aug 07 18:12:58 <ahungry> maybe it was a early release model or something
Aug 07 18:13:03 <ahungry> wife got it a few years back
Aug 07 18:13:08 <ahungry> gave to me to upgrade my dumbphone haha
Aug 07 18:13:33 <ahungry> Device Info > Palm webOS 1.4.5
Aug 07 18:13:36 <ahungry> confg ATT 1.1
Aug 07 18:13:45 <ahungry> Model P101UNA
Aug 07 18:13:53 <ahungry> hardware version A
Aug 07 18:14:05 <ahungry> firmware was CU0.5.48(259)
Aug 07 18:14:24 <ahungry> definitely pre2 based on pictures
Aug 07 18:14:27 <ahungry> so, how is the pre3 vs the pre2?
Aug 07 18:14:30 <ahungry> worth ebayin?
Aug 07 19:01:44 <ahungry> ok, it seems some palm pre plus did have the button removed
Aug 07 19:01:52 <ahungry> and im guessing non-orange colors on the keys
Aug 07 19:01:56 <ahungry> so I think this is a palm pre plus not a pre 2
Aug 07 19:02:17 <Herrie>  P101UNA = Pre Plus
Aug 07 19:02:50 <Herrie> See http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_Versions
Aug 07 19:02:53 <Herrie> Search for P101 ;)
Aug 07 19:06:54 <ahungry> thanks Herrie that confirms it for me
Aug 07 19:08:04 <ahungry> So.. does the hp pre3 work on the att phone network in NE US?
Aug 07 19:08:17 <ahungry> if I bought either an att one or an unlocked one off ebay?
Aug 07 19:08:49 <Herrie> ATT one should work on AT&T ;)
Aug 07 19:09:07 <Herrie> Verizon one has grap GSM calibration, so the signal is very poor, at least here in Europe
Aug 07 19:09:20 <Herrie> Not sure about calibration for US bands
Aug 07 19:09:37 <ahungry> ahh, yea, i would dread buying one for $200 on ebay and not having fair phone support
Aug 07 19:09:50 <ahungry> although I guess I could always resell on ebay for close to what I pay if it didn't work out
Aug 07 19:10:37 <Herrie> Yeah
Aug 07 19:10:47 <Herrie> VEer is a nice phone and a lot cheaper, but might be too small for you
Aug 07 19:10:55 <Herrie> It's my daily driver for almost 2 yrs now
Aug 07 20:41:09 <dwc-> p101UNA is a pre+
Aug 07 20:41:31 <dwc-> oh, herrie already got there
Aug 07 20:45:09 <dwc-> iirc, the verizon pre3 had some issues with gsm/umts
Aug 07 20:45:34 <dwc-> and yes, ATT pre3 works fine on ATT
Aug 07 21:33:32 <ahungry> thanks guys :)
Aug 07 21:37:31 * dwc- wonders why herrie doesn't have an EU pre3
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