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Mar 18 16:01:22 <Preemptive> 1 hour to go. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-5.html#post3452859
Mar 18 16:55:46 <Preemptive> Misj: Thanks.
Mar 18 16:57:03 <Misj> you're welcome ;)
Mar 18 16:57:30 <Preemptive> I'm still seeing the same error, but i'll look into it later. :-(
Mar 18 16:59:18 <Misj> if you paste the URL (as seen in preware) in your browser...that should actually also work.
Mar 18 16:59:32 <Misj> so if that doesn't, it's something else entirely.
Mar 18 16:59:33 <Preemptive> If there is anyone new here, don't forget to introduce yourself with a little webOS-centered biography!
Mar 18 16:59:42 <Misj> (or a simple typo somewhere)
Mar 18 17:00:43 <nizovn> morning
Mar 18 17:01:01 <Preemptive> nizovn: Morning!
Mar 18 17:01:09 <Misj> hay
Mar 18 17:01:27 <Preemptive> and goof morning to everyone else! the agenda is here: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-5.html#post3452859
Mar 18 17:01:53 <Preemptive> Yes, I managed to goof by typing goof morning!
Mar 18 17:04:08 <Preemptive> I'm going to try to get through this fairly quickly. No one has said they won't be reporting, but if there's no sign of them, I'll move on fast unless interrupted. so if you have a comment on an issue, be ready to jump in!
Mar 18 17:04:23 <Preemptive> 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
Mar 18 17:05:26 <Preemptive> Three so far. If anyone else is present and wants to shout out, please do so now or as you join us.
Mar 18 17:06:12 <Preemptive> 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group. - I assume none. Stop me if you have anything
Mar 18 17:06:44 <Preemptive> 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts. - Again, I will move on quickly unless....?
Mar 18 17:06:57 <Preemptive> 4. Progress reports.
Mar 18 17:07:12 <Preemptive> 4.1. New browser (for TP only) (nizovn) http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/331764-tp-qupzilla.html
Mar 18 17:07:20 <Preemptive> Here we go! nizovn?
Mar 18 17:07:44 <nizovn> unfortunately, i had no time, so there is no progress; i was at a conference, and then was ill...
Mar 18 17:07:55 <nizovn> but i've sent a email to webos-internals team yesterday, hope they will reply
Mar 18 17:08:05 <Preemptive> Sorry to hear that. I hope you are feeling better.
Mar 18 17:08:16 <nizovn> yes, i fell better now. thanks
Mar 18 17:08:28 <nizovn> s/fell/feel
Mar 18 17:09:17 <Preemptive> Great. Well, we've all had times when we get nothing done and you've already done a lot with this project and the Qt SDK.
Mar 18 17:09:26 <Preemptive> Shall we move on to the next item?
Mar 18 17:09:43 <nizovn> yup
Mar 18 17:09:45 <Preemptive> 4.2. Legacy browser patch (Misj, Shuswap) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331780-patch-browser-touchpad-smart-url-cleaner.html
Mar 18 17:10:21 <Preemptive> I'm guessing nothing new has happened with this useful patch...
Mar 18 17:10:34 <Misj> To be honest, I haven't done anything webOS related recently.
Mar 18 17:10:46 <Preemptive> OK. No worries.
Mar 18 17:10:50 <Preemptive> 4.3. Updated meta-doctors (Herrie, bbito) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331796-webos-internals-meta-doctor-2017-a.html#post3451411
Mar 18 17:11:14 <Preemptive> Herrie: Are you watching? I think you may be busy today
Mar 18 17:11:47 <Preemptive> OK. Moving on...
Mar 18 17:11:48 <Preemptive> 4.4. Updated location service (Misj, mazzinia) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html
Mar 18 17:13:36 <Preemptive> I've not heard of anything here. A reminder: This is to get network / wifi location services working again on webOS. Lost due to a change in Google's API (I think). GPS still works.
Mar 18 17:13:41 <Misj> It's something I have to look into. I don't know if Mazzinia has anything to report.
Mar 18 17:13:52 <Misj> yes, indeed.
Mar 18 17:14:10 <Preemptive> LuneOS has solved this problem, so there may be useful code that can be adapted..?
Mar 18 17:14:29 <Preemptive> Let's move on.
Mar 18 17:14:39 <Preemptive> 4.5. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually (novaldex, Herrie) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982
Mar 18 17:14:42 <Misj> I've also done a test a while back to patch a single app and that's also possible. But that's not a system-wide solution
Mar 18 17:15:13 <Preemptive> Misj: Oh, well that's interesting as a 'proof of concept'!
Mar 18 17:15:34 <Preemptive> So it works and just needs to be applied system-wide?
Mar 18 17:15:35 <Misj> there I conncected it to Mozilla's location services
Mar 18 17:15:58 <Misj> it's less accurate than Google's (for non-technical reasons).
Mar 18 17:16:11 <Misj> Well, it was merely a test whether I could get it to work for some apps.
Mar 18 17:16:38 <Misj> But I didn't look into the system's location services, so it's really just a POC
Mar 18 17:16:40 <Preemptive> Misj: Yes, I heard that. Is the Google service still available? Or other services?
Mar 18 17:16:59 <Preemptive> I think LuneOS might work with more than 1 option
Mar 18 17:17:08 <Misj> Google's services are still available, but the API has changed significanly...and I don't know about the API key
Mar 18 17:17:39 <Misj> I know several people were looking into the location services, so I set back. :)
Mar 18 17:17:47 <nizovn> btw LuneOS uses geoclue, that supports both google and mozilla services
Mar 18 17:18:25 <nizovn> but i don't think it can be easily used for webOS
Mar 18 17:18:50 <Preemptive> I'd suggest posting on the thread just to keep interest alive and see if it encourages others to look into it. I suspect this is a solvable problem, it's just that those who can do it have many other things to do.
Mar 18 17:19:05 <Preemptive> nizovn: Is it a Qt5 thing? Or other reasons?
Mar 18 17:19:24 <nizovn> it uses dbus and systemd
Mar 18 17:19:47 <Preemptive> Ah, OK. Might be a lot of work then.
Mar 18 17:20:05 <nizovn> it could be theoretically reworked, but yes, quite some work
Mar 18 17:20:43 <Misj> <<I have JVLebbink on the phone, but for technical reasons (his computer died) he can't join in>>
Mar 18 17:20:43 <Preemptive> OK, unless there are other comments, we at least know where we are on that issue. I shall move on...
Mar 18 17:21:02 <JVLebbink> hi
Mar 18 17:21:27 <Preemptive> JVLebbink: Hi! Good to see you!
Mar 18 17:21:59 <mazzinia> uhm, seems the time is sort of right
Mar 18 17:21:59 <JVLebbink> Using my work laptop
Mar 18 17:22:04 <Preemptive> You made it!
Mar 18 17:22:21 <Preemptive> mazzinia: Morning!
Mar 18 17:22:52 <Preemptive> Here's the log if anyone nees to catch up: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos.txt
Mar 18 17:23:17 <Herrie> I'm half here
Mar 18 17:23:18 <Preemptive> We were just discussing the complexity of fixing the location service.
Mar 18 17:23:31 <Preemptive> Herrie: Hi Herrie!
Mar 18 17:23:34 <Herrie> Mrs is out,alone with 2 little ones
Mar 18 17:23:48 <JVLebbink> sterkte
Mar 18 17:24:14 <Herrie> Anyone has issues to reach GitHub on webOS devices lately? Both my TP and Pre 3 don't seem to load it
Mar 18 17:24:15 <Preemptive> Herrie: You mean they are asleep in the pram? ;-)
Mar 18 17:24:46 <Preemptive> Herrie: Qupzilla also?
Mar 18 17:25:04 <nizovn> Herrie: i saw that too on webOS browser on TP
Mar 18 17:25:17 <nizovn> qupzilla was fine
Mar 18 17:25:28 <Preemptive> I'm seeing a lot of 2035 errors...
Mar 18 17:25:36 <JVLebbink> checking
Mar 18 17:25:38 <Preemptive> Sometimes they reload OK...
Mar 18 17:26:22 <mazzinia> I get a more simple "unable to load page"
Mar 18 17:26:29 <JVLebbink> qipzilla works for me
Mar 18 17:26:34 <Preemptive> Yes, I also am seing that error
Mar 18 17:26:57 <Preemptive> Maybe 2035 is on the phone...
Mar 18 17:27:07 <JVLebbink> default browser give an 'Unable to load page'
Mar 18 17:27:34 <mazzinia> it's a kind of a weird error
Mar 18 17:28:32 <Preemptive> I suppose the question is if this is simply websites changing to code the old browser can't handle, or if it's some error due to age (e.g. certificates) that could be fixed with a little patch.
Mar 18 17:29:05 <Misj> I noticed these errors to for some pages. The page will open correctly in 'google light'-mode. But that's hardly useful for Github
Mar 18 17:29:18 <mazzinia> my feeling is that it's https related, but it's just my feeling.
Mar 18 17:30:30 <Preemptive> Shall I note this down as something to investigate? I could start a forum thread for reporting so we can try to get an idea of what exacty the cause is
Mar 18 17:30:30 <mazzinia> but well, if you open github main page and check the code...
Mar 18 17:30:40 <mazzinia> it starts with a lot of dns-prefetch
Mar 18 17:30:51 <mazzinia> and crossorigin
Mar 18 17:31:26 <Preemptive> Ah! I have noticed that short links can be a problem - maybe the number of jumps to the real URL is limited.
Mar 18 17:32:02 <mazzinia> or maybe the stock browser html5 implementation is not matching some of thosee link calls
Mar 18 17:33:02 <Preemptive> I'll make a note and a thread. If we can puzzle it out, that might give us a chance to fix it.
Mar 18 17:33:17 <Preemptive> Moving on unless there are further comments...?
Mar 18 17:33:37 <Preemptive> We were just about to discuss...
Mar 18 17:33:39 <Preemptive> 4.5. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually (novaldex, Herrie) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982
Mar 18 17:34:18 <Preemptive> At the last meeting, Novaldex was going to kist the issues on the thread, but nothing yet
Mar 18 17:34:40 <Preemptive> It's to do with code that auto-checks the patches.
Mar 18 17:34:54 <Preemptive> It make the whole process more complex
Mar 18 17:35:57 <mazzinia> yes, I remember that
Mar 18 17:36:05 <Preemptive> I tried to email novaldex before we started, but my emails bounced for some reason - the domain is still there.
Mar 18 17:36:27 <Preemptive> I guess unless Herrie has a comment, we will move on...
Mar 18 17:36:50 <mazzinia> the simplest solution would be to not do all those checks, on the assumption that guinea pigs test the patches before release
Mar 18 17:38:05 <Preemptive> Yes, we kind of said that before, but maybe the code is all tied together, i don't know. It would probably be needed for any new stuff to avoid lots of labour-intensive human checking.
Mar 18 17:38:37 <Preemptive> Ok, next topic....
Mar 18 17:38:39 <Preemptive> 4.6. webOS Nation App gallery submission and access (Preemptive) https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/332000-app-gallery-issue-reporting-thread.html#post3452882
Mar 18 17:39:12 <Preemptive> This is me. I gathered previous comments onto the one thread / post
Mar 18 17:40:22 <Preemptive> You may be aware that the forums broke... maybe a week or two ago. I reported it the the mod and it was fixed. I think the missing avatar problem was fixed, but that broke the ability to post.
Mar 18 17:41:28 <Preemptive> I was hoping to piggy-back on that fix and get the app gallery looked at, but nothing yet. My best guesis that www.webosnation.com is broken, while forums.webosnation.com is still being maintained.
Mar 18 17:41:43 <Preemptive> The app gallery is under www.
Mar 18 17:42:04 <mazzinia> we are "lucky"
Mar 18 17:42:35 <Preemptive> For me, the next step is to tey to get a developer accont and check it out mayself, but i can't even see where to register.
Mar 18 17:43:31 <Preemptive> I'm hoping that existing devs can log in and check what works and what doesn't and report back on the current state.
Mar 18 17:43:48 <Preemptive> I don't even know if that is possible.
Mar 18 17:44:11 <mazzinia> possible is possible, the question is how much motivated they are
Mar 18 17:44:12 <Misj> To be honest, I'm just happy the forum hasn't shut down yet :)
Mar 18 17:44:44 <mazzinia> we "could" migrate the app gallery elsewhere if they do a dump for us
Mar 18 17:44:53 <mazzinia> could be a win win situation
Mar 18 17:45:32 <Preemptive> The problem is that the few who are left aren't around much, there's no news being published to www. , so there are few complaints (we mostly already have the apps we want), but this means the gallery will die of neglect in the future
Mar 18 17:46:17 <Preemptive> At the moment, I think requesting the content to rehost elsewhere should be a last resort. Who would take it on and where would it go?
Mar 18 17:46:52 <mazzinia> mmmm obviously it's a last resort
Mar 18 17:48:06 <mazzinia> well, maybe asking on one of the active sites ( crackberry etc ) could give pointers as to where to apply for admin access for webosnation
Mar 18 17:48:15 <Preemptive> It would be OK if we had a proper alternative ready to go, but for now I just hope anyone with a developer account will report to the thread and we can try to get some momentum going for a fix. I suspect it may not be a big issue to fix - it's login code and update code.
Mar 18 17:48:44 <Preemptive> mazzinia: I very much doubt they will allow us admin access...
Mar 18 17:49:36 <Preemptive> Unfortunately, we just have to get their admins to fix it. Yes, we are low priority, but they are fixing things for us.
Mar 18 17:50:22 <Preemptive> Maybe I will try more direct contact to J. Falconer or M. Adolfsson
Mar 18 17:51:10 <mazzinia> by the way
Mar 18 17:51:11 <mazzinia> https://byet.host/free-hosting/news
Mar 18 17:51:22 <mazzinia> these guys do give full free hosting
Mar 18 17:51:42 <JVLebbink> free lunch?
Mar 18 17:51:43 <mazzinia> ( with monthly data limit, think 50Gb/month of traffic )
Mar 18 17:51:43 <Preemptive> If anyone here has an App Gallery account, please try to login, make changes or updates and report back what shape it is in. If anyone can tell me how to get an account, I will try it.
Mar 18 17:51:47 <Misj> there's no such thing as a free lunch
Mar 18 17:51:59 <mazzinia> it's free with some limits :P
Mar 18 17:53:11 <mazzinia> the good thing is that they have no ads
Mar 18 17:53:23 <mazzinia> I've made an account time ago, never really used it
Mar 18 17:53:26 <Preemptive> We can discuss that under App Catalogue options (section 5)
Mar 18 17:53:43 <Preemptive> 4.7. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS, git.webos-internals.org & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/331800-documentation-management-thread-webos-user-group.html
Mar 18 17:54:01 <Preemptive> Kind of a sub-heading...
Mar 18 17:54:01 <JVLebbink> Can we first talk about the Museum.
Mar 18 17:54:11 <JVLebbink> I have to leave in a few minutes
Mar 18 17:54:59 <Preemptive> JVLebbink: OK for you we will jump to 4.9
Mar 18 17:55:12 <Preemptive> 4.9. Indexing the FTP app source. (JVLebbink1)
Mar 18 17:55:51 <JVLebbink> Well the plan is to go to open beta
Mar 18 17:56:09 <JVLebbink> I haven't found any special bugs
Mar 18 17:56:22 <JVLebbink> and haven't heard from others that there are
Mar 18 17:57:07 <Preemptive> OK. Side note: I think I was asked to hold off making the museum a project, but I can do that. Do you want the FTP and Mueseum to be separate or a single project?
Mar 18 17:57:14 <JVLebbink> we sent a some applications to Alan too, but I haven't heard back from him about it
Mar 18 17:57:15 <Misj> this version still requires the hosts-edit.
Mar 18 17:57:42 <Misj> FTP and museum should be separate.
Mar 18 17:58:12 <Preemptive> Misj: I wouldn't worry about that. It's a fairly easy fix and will included if we ever get a service-pack meta-doctor
Mar 18 17:58:41 <Preemptive> Misj: I will make the Mueseum a separate project.
Mar 18 17:59:08 <JVLebbink> The Museum is just a name for the information contained in the Palm App-Store with an option to link it to a download location
Mar 18 17:59:10 <Preemptive> I'm putting too many 'e's in Museum!
Mar 18 18:00:32 <Preemptive> JVLebbink: I see. It is only a listing, but can match the list to sources, allowing a download - correct?
Mar 18 18:01:00 <Preemptive> We are 1 hour in...
Mar 18 18:01:07 <Misj> yes. You can link it to a personal backup of the apps, but you will have to specify that yourself.
Mar 18 18:01:33 <Preemptive> Open beta sounds good to me.
Mar 18 18:03:12 <Preemptive> I think it will need to be carefully explained exactly what it is and what it isn't. People may happily greet a replacement app catalog, when it isn't really that...
Mar 18 18:04:25 <JVLebbink> Ok we'll try and explain.
Mar 18 18:05:00 <JVLebbink> We'll have contact with Alan and probably will link it in webosnation in the coming week
Mar 18 18:07:23 <Preemptive> We have Preware, which mainly offers webOS Internals apps & patches with the contents of the app gallery. pivotCE indexes preware an hosts a very few apps, the Museum is the old index of the app catalog. So we have lots of indexers and downloaders, but need a secure repository and likely a way to generate enough income to manage it...
Mar 18 18:08:51 <Preemptive> Is there already a thread for the Museum?
Mar 18 18:09:29 <Misj> we'll make one of there isn't one already (don't think there is)
Mar 18 18:09:51 <Preemptive> for the next meeting I'll group the two topics together. Which one should be first?
Mar 18 18:10:45 <Misj> dealer's choice\
Mar 18 18:12:56 <Preemptive> You mean me? OK. I'll read the thread and decide - you can always tell me to change it.
Mar 18 18:13:11 <Preemptive> back to 4.7 or where ever we were?
Mar 18 18:14:24 <Misj> if anyone has any more information about the PDK and how to compile stuff...I feel that's something still sparse in the documentary.
Mar 18 18:15:00 <Preemptive> OK, we can look into that and put out requests.
Mar 18 18:15:38 <Preemptive> 4.7.1. Documentation policy.  http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/331800-documentation-management-thread-webos-user-group.html
Mar 18 18:16:43 <Preemptive> Same thread I think. What, where, how and that stuff. we can discuss here or on the thread if no has anything to say on this..
Mar 18 18:17:26 <Preemptive> ...
Mar 18 18:17:42 <Preemptive> 4.7.2. Find / improve documentation of mojo / enyo. (Misj) http://www.banneret.nl/webos/documentation/
Mar 18 18:18:18 <Preemptive> I think you are in pretty good shape here. Shall we roll this into the main heading or do you thing there is more to do?
Mar 18 18:18:23 <Misj> I think we have most of the important things (lacking some useful PDK info)
Mar 18 18:18:27 <Preemptive> *think
Mar 18 18:19:04 <Misj> I should reformat some things if I even find the time (read: so basically never). Because it's there, it's just not very easy to go through
Mar 18 18:19:12 <Preemptive> Pardon my ignorance: Does PDK = mojo? I thought they were 'ported apps'
Mar 18 18:19:42 <Misj> PDK are compiled C apps
Mar 18 18:19:59 <Misj> so native apps, not javascript apps
Mar 18 18:20:06 <Preemptive> So should we keep them as a separate category?
Mar 18 18:20:21 <Misj> yes. It's Mojo, Enyo and PDK
Mar 18 18:20:54 <Misj> (Enyo willl work on LuneOS, Mojo would work, but the framework isn't open-sourced, and PDK is a different beast entirely)
Mar 18 18:21:12 <Preemptive> OK, I thought it was mainly a methid to port iOS apps to webOS
Mar 18 18:21:20 <Preemptive> (or games)
Mar 18 18:21:55 <Misj> well, it's a number of libraries 'needed' to compile apps
Mar 18 18:22:29 <Misj> So in theory you could compile most native linux applications
Mar 18 18:22:42 <Misj> (though the UI would probably not be ideal for webOS/touch)
Mar 18 18:22:50 <Preemptive> I see. Well, if you are happy to gather all this, we can list them together, but categorise them.
Mar 18 18:23:13 <Misj> it is, indeed, used mostly for games. But e.g. Picsel Smart Office is also a PDK app.
Mar 18 18:23:24 <Preemptive> I can add PDK to your section heading. Are the any other app types?
Mar 18 18:23:42 <Misj> If someone has information laying around I'm happy to put it with the rest.
Mar 18 18:25:05 <Preemptive> Ok. moving on...
Mar 18 18:25:07 <Preemptive> 4.7.3. Default app options (e.g. Qupzilla, LuneTube) - possible patching / tutorial on this. http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-4.html#post3452221
Mar 18 18:26:02 <JVLebbink> bye bye
Mar 18 18:26:10 <Preemptive> I think this is done. We should note the location of the relevant information and roll this up into the main heading - unless we need to add to the documentation.
Mar 18 18:26:12 <Misj> bye JV
Mar 18 18:26:40 <Preemptive> JVLebbink: Bye JV! Thanks for your contribution, i hope you get your main computer fixed.
Mar 18 18:28:12 <Preemptive> Misj: Do you think we should put a link in with the rest of the app developmet stuff? It seems logical.
Mar 18 18:28:46 <Misj> it seems logical.
Mar 18 18:30:05 <Preemptive> OK. Once we have a clear policy and a guide for app development (or at least and index of our sources) we can note how to code an app to register as a file handler
Mar 18 18:30:21 <Preemptive> moving on...
Mar 18 18:30:34 <Preemptive> 4.7.4. On device Help System.
Mar 18 18:30:57 <Preemptive> I think we have nothing new here, so moving on unless i see a comment...
Mar 18 18:31:30 <Preemptive> 4.8. Lobbying TCL for an open Palm device. (Preemptive) http://forums.webosnation.com/other-os-s-devices/331778-tcl-launching-new-palm-branded-devices-2018-a.html#post3451195
Mar 18 18:32:06 <Preemptive> Ugh! Still nothing here. I have a list from Halium's page: AsteroidOS, LuneOS, Mer, Plasma Mobile, SailfishOS, and Ubuntu Touch
Mar 18 18:32:48 <Preemptive> I'm not sure exactly which of those are supporting the project - it may be an aspirational list!
Mar 18 18:34:22 <Preemptive> I'm happy to take suggestions of projects to contact, but I think LuneOS, Halium, pmOS, Plasma and maybe SFOS. I don't know if Maemo & Mer are still a thing, Mer underlies SFOS I think
Mar 18 18:35:45 <Preemptive> I'll check those that are relevant (i.e. phone or tablet OSes) and find contact details.
Mar 18 18:36:00 <Preemptive> We've done 4,9
Mar 18 18:36:24 <Preemptive> 4.10. webOS Qt5 SDK.
Mar 18 18:36:55 <Preemptive> nizovn: can correct me, but I think there's no progress here due to illness as with Qupzilla
Mar 18 18:37:15 <Preemptive> ...
Mar 18 18:37:17 <nizovn> yes
Mar 18 18:37:19 <Preemptive> 4.11. webOS time service issue http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/331734-network-time-not-keeping-clocks-accurate.html
Mar 18 18:37:45 <nizovn> also i planned to work on SDK after qupzilla release..
Mar 18 18:39:19 <Preemptive> I think we have two solutions here. The HOSTS fix, tried by me didn't work, but bbito identified the correct service and it works.
Mar 18 18:39:52 <Misj> in that case I prefer the working solution ;)
Mar 18 18:41:22 <Preemptive> However, it became apparent that phones (SIM devices) relied on the GSM network and didn't fallback to wifi / network time. So it's good because they still work, but it might be an issue if the sim is out ir removed - we need to check that the device would use network time if there is no SIM.
Mar 18 18:42:51 <Preemptive> dkirker came up with a modified script to replace the destination URL in the timeservice code. Herrie confirmed that this was ahat he had been working on and the fix could be added to any future service pack doctor.
Mar 18 18:44:08 <Preemptive> So that's the 'hack' fix and a deeper fix. (I don't think anyone's tested the code yet). Once it's is confirmed to eork, I think we can link the thread to the meta-doctor service pack one and close he issue.
Mar 18 18:44:53 <Preemptive> Any comments? Congratualtions and thanks to all who puzzled this out of course!
Mar 18 18:45:22 <Preemptive> dkirker, bbito, Herrie
Mar 18 18:45:52 <Preemptive> moving on...
Mar 18 18:45:56 <Preemptive> 5. Discussion of other items.
Mar 18 18:46:17 <Preemptive> 5.1. Device back up options http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/331801-options-automated-device-backup-webos-user-group.html#post3451423
Mar 18 18:48:10 <Preemptive> I don't think anything has happened here. Suggestions are on the thread. If anyone want's to try anything, please do and report back. I will try. Perhaps there needs to be more discussion on the thread about the best system and how it can be integrated into webOS or at least easily used.
Mar 18 18:48:30 <Preemptive> 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html
Mar 18 18:48:44 <Preemptive> I don't think there's anything here.
Mar 18 18:48:58 <Preemptive> 5.3. App stores discussion. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/329621-making-another-app-store.html#post3452863
Mar 18 18:49:17 <Preemptive> One App store to rule them all, One App store to find them, One App store to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them!
Mar 18 18:51:30 <Preemptive> The question of a community managed repository remains. I guess I will try to stimulate discussion on the thread. I'll note the suggestion above of free server space. One thing we could try to do is estimate the foot print of the cauurecnt apps available to start to estimate how much space we will need.
Mar 18 18:52:15 <Preemptive> *current Wow! My fingers really tangled on that one!
Mar 18 18:52:48 <Preemptive> 5.4. Prioritisation of group projects.
Mar 18 18:53:27 <Preemptive> Last one. Added at the request of novaldex. Are we spreading ourselves too thin, with too many projects?
Mar 18 18:55:14 <Misj> well, some additional hands would certainly be handy
Mar 18 18:56:20 <Preemptive> As we're all volunteering and have other demands on our time, we cannot advance everything at the same rate or require anyone to work on any particular thing. So I think these meetings should simply report or advise on what IS being done, and act as a reminder on open issues or incomplete projects.
Mar 18 18:58:14 <Preemptive> What we could do is post the agenda at the start and everyone who has something to say, types the item number. I've asked for this to happen before the meeting, but it hasn't so far. Items that are not discussed go on a 'shadow agenda' to be raised again the next month.
Mar 18 18:58:47 <Preemptive> Maybe try that next month.
Mar 18 18:59:22 <Preemptive> Misj: Yes, extra hands, but we can't make it happen! :-(  ;-)
Mar 18 18:59:47 <Preemptive> So... comment now or it's the final item!
Mar 18 19:00:09 <Preemptive> (Oh, unless there's...)
Mar 18 19:00:11 <Preemptive> 6. Any other business.
Mar 18 19:01:04 <Preemptive> 7. Date of next meeting.
Mar 18 19:01:12 <Preemptive> April 15 or 22?
Mar 18 19:02:06 <Preemptive> Other Sundays in April are the 1st, 8th & 29th
Mar 18 19:03:01 <Misj> I have no preference
Mar 18 19:03:34 <Preemptive> I'm going to say 15th. Anyone else have a preference?
Mar 18 19:03:55 <nizovn> it's ok to me
Mar 18 19:04:13 <Preemptive> OK. 15th 1700GMT again.
Mar 18 19:04:55 <Preemptive> Thanks everyone for coming and for all the work you done. We've seen some progress every month so far, which is really good!
Mar 18 19:05:37 <Preemptive> See you next month if not before on the forums.
Mar 18 19:06:46 <Misj> see you next time
Mar 18 19:06:56 <Preemptive> Misj: Bye!
Mar 18 19:07:23 <Preemptive> nizovn: Bye!
Mar 18 19:07:44 <nizovn> bye!
Mar 18 19:08:25 <Preemptive> Herrie: Bye (if you are still watching!)
Mar 18 19:13:13 <Preemptive> Mazzinia: Bye! (If you are also still here!)
Mar 18 19:18:32 <mazzinia> hops sorry :(
Mar 18 19:18:46 <mazzinia> got dragged away suddenly, couldn't warn
Mar 18 19:24:41 <Herrie> Sorry only hands free now
Mar 18 19:25:03 <Herrie> For Halium: It's basically a common minimal Android build, so each of these OS-es don't need to reinvent the wheel for the Android bits
Mar 18 19:25:56 <Herrie> We only use it for the Android bits (i.e. talk to hardware), we don't use the whole Halium bits since our build system is "better" in quite some regards. Where possible we try to piggyback on some of their developments:)
Mar 18 19:26:09 <Herrie> It has brought quite some interested people around
Mar 18 19:31:19 <mazzinia> are you adding dockers support , too ?
Mar 18 20:45:26 <Herrie> mazzinia: Why you'd want Docker support?
Mar 18 20:47:19 <mazzinia> well... isn't a simple way to add ubuntu etc layers and thus add on top more programs ?
Mar 18 20:48:01 <mazzinia> could be seen as a better xecutah
Mar 18 21:04:30 <Herrie> mazzinia: Ah OK
Mar 18 21:04:39 <Herrie> Well we can quite easily do optware
Mar 18 21:08:01 <mazzinia> yep, I guess so. I didn't mean to add it as integral part. but it may offer something fun to customize if added as optware
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