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Jul 22 15:03:41 <Preemptive> Morning!
Jul 22 15:04:31 <Preemptive> Here is the agenda for today: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-6.html#post3453643
Jul 22 15:05:50 <Preemptive> 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
Jul 22 15:06:05 <Preemptive> It's an hour earlier... Anyone here?
Jul 22 15:08:41 <nizovn> morning
Jul 22 15:09:06 <Preemptive> Oh it's me - I'm an hour early! ;-)
Jul 22 15:09:13 <nizovn> yup
Jul 22 15:10:28 <nizovn> mazzinia: are you here?
Jul 22 15:10:29 <Preemptive> Got too excited because of the earlier time! I'll find something to kill an hour and see you back here then!
Jul 22 15:11:02 <mazzinia> ah yes
Jul 22 15:11:04 <mazzinia> hello
Jul 22 15:11:38 <mazzinia> and guess what , preemptive ? in 50 min I've to be in a place to do a quick sell :P
Jul 22 15:11:55 <mazzinia> so I'll be here 15 or 20 min after the start, I guess
Jul 22 15:11:56 <Preemptive> What are you selling?
Jul 22 15:12:17 <mazzinia> an old adsl modem that I got left when doing a ccontract upgrade
Jul 22 15:12:26 <nizovn> mazzinia: i have no idea why qt5 is not installing..
Jul 22 15:12:37 <mazzinia> I figured why not putting it up, at worst was costing nothing. and one fish bit
Jul 22 15:12:43 <mazzinia> ah damn :(
Jul 22 15:12:47 <nizovn> mazzinia: i guess i will need some extended logs
Jul 22 15:13:15 <mazzinia> well, I've no idea too. I saw that there are 1) the directories created and left empty
Jul 22 15:13:26 <mazzinia> ( of the 3 failed installations )
Jul 22 15:13:53 <mazzinia> and the 0bites removal etc scripts elsewhere
Jul 22 15:14:07 <mazzinia> but i doubt those matter
Jul 22 15:14:28 <mazzinia> the phone says 2.1gb free in general
Jul 22 15:15:23 <mazzinia> all goes in crypto so should as well be part of those 2.1gb
Jul 22 15:15:27 <nizovn> there is chance that postinst script didn't execute correcty, and installation aborted, but i see no reason why
Jul 22 15:15:42 <nizovn> 2.1 should be ok yes
Jul 22 15:15:48 <mazzinia> well, I cannot see the scripts, as I mentioned those are 0 bites
Jul 22 15:15:52 <mazzinia> totally blank
Jul 22 15:16:51 <mazzinia> media/cryptofs/apps/.scripts
Jul 22 15:17:35 <mazzinia> the glibc has 2 0bytes files there, too
Jul 22 15:17:40 <mazzinia> but glibc installed
Jul 22 15:18:11 <nizovn> yes, i have them blank too, maybe it's normal
Jul 22 15:18:25 <mazzinia> yep... seems all are 0ed
Jul 22 15:19:16 <nizovn> btw do you have /media/internal/appdata/com.nizovn.qt5 directory?
Jul 22 15:19:51 <mazzinia> no
Jul 22 15:20:22 <nizovn> ok, then the postinst script didn't execute
Jul 22 15:20:44 <mazzinia> well, this localizes the issue, I guess
Jul 22 15:23:14 <nizovn> is there any error if you try to create it?
Jul 22 15:25:10 <mazzinia> ah let me
Jul 22 15:25:59 <mazzinia> not at all
Jul 22 15:26:03 <mazzinia> created without issues
Jul 22 15:26:26 <nizovn> ok
Jul 22 15:27:00 <mazzinia> brb
Jul 22 15:28:51 <mazzinia> does the script check for storage dimension ? ( row has 8gb total, us has 16 )
Jul 22 15:28:58 <nizovn> no
Jul 22 15:29:11 <nizovn> it just creates empty foler
Jul 22 15:29:38 <nizovn> btw i found the script, it should be in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/
Jul 22 15:30:31 <mazzinia> will check in 40min :(
Jul 22 15:30:48 <nizovn> ok
Jul 22 15:55:02 <nomad84> hello
Jul 22 15:57:27 <Preemptive> nomad84: Hello
Jul 22 15:58:39 <Preemptive> OK. Starting again.
Jul 22 15:58:57 <Preemptive> https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-6.html#post3453643
Jul 22 16:02:15 <Preemptive> OK Ladies and Gentlemen. it's 1600 GMT so we can begin the meeting!
Jul 22 16:02:30 <Preemptive> 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
Jul 22 16:02:53 <Preemptive> One last link to the agenda: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-6.html#post3453643
Jul 22 16:03:31 <Preemptive> Say hello if you are herte and if new, please give a a quick webOS-related biography.
Jul 22 16:03:41 <Preemptive> herte > here
Jul 22 16:04:58 <nomad84> hello again then :)
Jul 22 16:05:13 <nomad84> long time webos user, currently rocking a pre 3
Jul 22 16:06:50 <Preemptive> Thanks. Are you on the webOS Nation forums?
Jul 22 16:07:17 <nomad84> yes
Jul 22 16:07:51 <Preemptive> It looks like another low turn out. I'll just send another tweet...
Jul 22 16:08:58 <nomad84> well, I guess it's a shrinking community
Jul 22 16:09:43 <nomad84> too bad, it still is my favorite mobile OS
Jul 22 16:10:19 <Preemptive> I'll just do the usual bits we ignore...
Jul 22 16:10:21 <Preemptive> 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group.
Jul 22 16:10:40 <Preemptive> 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts.
Jul 22 16:11:02 <Preemptive> 4. Progress reports.
Jul 22 16:11:54 <Preemptive> 4.1. Qupzilla Browser (nizovn) http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/331764-tp-qupzilla.html
Jul 22 16:12:22 <nizovn> no progress here with qupzilla
Jul 22 16:12:24 <Preemptive> nizovn: I assume there is no news on this as you seem to have been busy with other projects
Jul 22 16:12:32 <nizovn> yes
Jul 22 16:12:59 <Preemptive> Do you want to talk about this Qt browser I just saw today or do it later?
Jul 22 16:13:50 <nizovn> well 4.1 is called "New browser" so maybe it makes sense to discuss it too
Jul 22 16:13:59 <nizovn> as it's new browser, but for pre3
Jul 22 16:14:21 <Preemptive> I'm excited!
Jul 22 16:14:44 <nizovn> :)
Jul 22 16:15:19 <Preemptive> Here's the link to the thread: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/332183-qt-webbrowser.html
Jul 22 16:16:45 <nomad84> nice
Jul 22 16:17:07 <Preemptive> Will it be a lot of work to get the menus and URL font fixed?
Jul 22 16:17:42 <nizovn> yes i think
Jul 22 16:18:32 <nizovn> menus don't work because only one window can be shown with hw rendering on screen simultaneously
Jul 22 16:18:56 <Preemptive> OK.
Jul 22 16:19:12 <nizovn> no idea why fonts don't work, maybe webos-specific bug
Jul 22 16:19:34 <Preemptive> Could be. I think there was a related discussion recently.
Jul 22 16:20:02 <Preemptive> https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-pre-3/332172-missing-fonts.html
Jul 22 16:20:44 <Preemptive> What if the menu was full screen rather than a pop up?
Jul 22 16:20:56 <nizovn> in this browser they are not missing, just rendered incorrectly halftime
Jul 22 16:22:03 <nizovn> Preemptive: same as different windows will fight for screen, and flicking as a resule
Jul 22 16:22:13 <nizovn> *result
Jul 22 16:22:50 <Preemptive> OK. Just thought I'd throw out an idea for a work-around.
Jul 22 16:23:12 <nizovn> *flickering
Jul 22 16:23:27 <Preemptive> I guess everything is covered in your post for now, so we can move on unless there's more you'd like to add?
Jul 22 16:24:17 <nizovn> i suggest trying it as it faster than qupzilla
Jul 22 16:24:45 <Preemptive> Oh yes, I'm going to try it! ;-)
Jul 22 16:24:53 <nizovn> yes, we can move further
Jul 22 16:25:07 <Preemptive> I'm going to skip 4.2
Jul 22 16:25:38 <Preemptive> Herrie: I guess you are busy moving house today...
Jul 22 16:26:08 <Preemptive> bbito isn't listed as present, so I'll skip 4.3 also
Jul 22 16:26:41 <Preemptive> 4.4. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html
Jul 22 16:27:04 <Preemptive> I wonder if mazzinia has made it back yet...
Jul 22 16:28:31 <mazzinia> yes
Jul 22 16:28:36 <mazzinia> just this moment
Jul 22 16:28:40 <Preemptive> Oh! Good timing!
Jul 22 16:28:56 <Preemptive> Anything on Location service?
Jul 22 16:29:01 <mazzinia> nope
Jul 22 16:29:35 <Preemptive> OK. A quick one today! I wonder if a bunch of people will appear in 30mins...
Jul 22 16:30:12 <Preemptive> I'm going to skip to 4.10 as I know nizovn has also put this up on the forums.
Jul 22 16:30:14 <mazzinia> possible, totally possible
Jul 22 16:31:02 <Preemptive> 4.10. webOS Qt5 SDK. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/332182-qt5-webos-sdk.html
Jul 22 16:31:56 <Preemptive> I should give this a try! QT5 on legacy webOS.
Jul 22 16:32:48 <Preemptive> I wonder if there are any existing apps that can be adapted for webOS using this SDK?
Jul 22 16:34:08 <nizovn> well any qt5 app should work
Jul 22 16:34:22 <nizovn> ... if there are no other dependencies
Jul 22 16:34:25 <mazzinia> well... that telegram could be rewritten/adapted
Jul 22 16:34:32 <nizovn> yes
Jul 22 16:36:40 <Preemptive> The browser on the Pre3 should be good. That and a few Qt5 apps could really act as the bridge to LuneOS.
Jul 22 16:36:59 <mazzinia> you should try installing too, preemptive
Jul 22 16:37:11 <mazzinia> just to see if I'm a black sheep :P
Jul 22 16:37:53 <Preemptive> Yes, but after this meeting! Multi-taking can be risky! ;-0
Jul 22 16:38:03 <Preemptive> *tasking
Jul 22 16:40:17 <Preemptive> Hmmm... All this good news has come from nizovn. I'd still like to see progress on the meta-doctors, but I guess we'll have to wait another month.
Jul 22 16:40:40 <Preemptive> Shall we move on to discussion of other possibilities?
Jul 22 16:42:28 <Preemptive> 5. Discussion of other items.
Jul 22 16:42:58 <Preemptive> 5.1. Device back up options. http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/331801-options-automated-device-backup-webos-user-group.html#post3451423
Jul 22 16:43:25 <Preemptive> I'm guessing nothing new here. This might turn out to be the quickest meeting ever!
Jul 22 16:45:05 <Preemptive> 5.2.webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes.. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html
Jul 22 16:46:01 <Preemptive> I'm not aware of any new vulnerabilities or fixes... unless you count my fading Pre3 battery!
Jul 22 16:47:33 <Preemptive> 5.3. App stores discussion. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/329621-making-another-app-store.html#post3452863
Jul 22 16:49:31 <Preemptive> I'm not sure that there's anything to add to previous discussions on this. I suppose we could look into specifying what a solution would look like - such as online commerce software, likely server space requirements and costs etc.
Jul 22 16:50:56 <Preemptive> I found myself talking last night to someone who had run an online business in the past and asked a couple of casual questions.
Jul 22 16:51:27 <Preemptive> I'll move on if there are no comments
Jul 22 16:51:54 <nomad84> I've lead a team that implemented a commerece solution recently
Jul 22 16:52:09 <nomad84> I don't know if I can be any help however :)
Jul 22 16:52:11 <Preemptive> Oh! Good!
Jul 22 16:52:27 <Preemptive> Are you familiar with previous discussions?
Jul 22 16:52:36 <nomad84> unfortunately no
Jul 22 16:52:51 <nomad84> let me check it out
Jul 22 16:53:04 <Preemptive> I can summarise...
Jul 22 16:53:27 <nomad84> ok
Jul 22 16:55:00 <Preemptive> Maybe it's just my view, but I think there are two possible (and similar) options. The Pebble watch died like webOS, but a group of users has set up replacement services ( rebble.io ) with the co-operation of whoever bought out Pebble.
Jul 22 16:55:30 <nomad84> fitbit I guess
Jul 22 16:55:48 <Preemptive> We could ask to piggy back on this project with a section for webOS users.
Jul 22 16:55:52 <Preemptive> Yes, Fitbiy
Jul 22 16:55:58 <Preemptive> FITBIT!
Jul 22 16:56:30 <Preemptive> I believe there is a fee for users to access the service.
Jul 22 16:57:12 <nomad84> 3usd
Jul 22 16:57:49 <Preemptive> My proposal would be do something similar: A service with a monthly fee for access. I also think that apps would have to be paid for - any price, but not free.
Jul 22 16:58:30 <nomad84> is this app store only or all palm services (e.g., account backup etc)?
Jul 22 16:58:44 <Preemptive> The idea is that the access fee covers running costs and the app price encourages development
Jul 22 16:59:11 <Preemptive> Services too - depending on what we can get working or replicate.
Jul 22 16:59:32 <Preemptive> I don't know how much of that stuff was open sourced - certainly not the backend at HP
Jul 22 16:59:49 <nomad84> I'd guess not much
Jul 22 17:01:07 <nomad84> another assumption is that pebble services are a lot simpler, in other words it would cost a lot to get palm services up and running (especially without documentation and source code)
Jul 22 17:01:13 <Preemptive> However, it's fairly easy to access the system, so possibly replacement apps could perform back up. Not sure about remote wipe - I'd be surprised if that was easily accessible.
Jul 22 17:03:44 <Preemptive> But again, if the user can reset the phone. I'd imagine it's possible to install an app that can do that and the trick would be making the trigger process secure.
Jul 22 17:04:51 <nomad84> I'm mostly used to pricing work like this in enterprise environments, but I would estimate a minimally viable product to be at least 50k
Jul 22 17:05:06 <Preemptive> I know very little about the Pebble. It may be simpler in a sense, but maybe not - especially if the complexity is handled at the other end.
Jul 22 17:05:28 <Preemptive> Does that include labour? ;-)
Jul 22 17:06:43 <nomad84> that includes labour only, operational costs will depend on many factors
Jul 22 17:07:57 <Preemptive> I don't know how many Pebble users are out there. Possibly a lot. Also, the Rebble people moved quickly (unlike us)
Jul 22 17:08:19 <nomad84> yep, that made it a lot simpler
Jul 22 17:08:23 <Preemptive> pattyland: Welcome!
Jul 22 17:08:46 <Preemptive> But i also kind of doubt they had 50K
Jul 22 17:08:46 <nomad84> also support from Pebble folks must have been benefitial too
Jul 22 17:08:53 <Preemptive> Yes.
Jul 22 17:08:57 <pattyland> Preemptive: thanks! Late als always *sigh*
Jul 22 17:09:37 <Preemptive> pattyland: We are discussing possibilities for a future app store & remote services.
Jul 22 17:09:50 <nizovn> pattyland: can we discuss pivotce feed later?
Jul 22 17:10:53 <pattyland> nizovn: sure
Jul 22 17:11:52 <Preemptive> nomad84: So I guess the idea would be to rent some space and dump some apps there. There would need to be an account system (login or a form of Preware to connect), then a purchase system.
Jul 22 17:12:35 <Preemptive> The account could record purchased apps and some space for a back up copy.
Jul 22 17:14:07 <nomad84> yep
Jul 22 17:14:24 <nomad84> I think the infrastructure piece is trivial (e.g., AWS)
Jul 22 17:14:33 <nomad84> the rest is more tricky
Jul 22 17:14:44 <nomad84> (gotta go to walk the dog, bbl)
Jul 22 17:14:47 <Preemptive> I suppose an MVP would be login and purchase via the web, then the acount recognises a device ID and allows the download via Preware.
Jul 22 17:15:17 <Preemptive> OK. Well we can look at speccing this on the forums.
Jul 22 17:15:44 <Preemptive> 5.4. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/
Jul 22 17:16:01 <Preemptive> Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Jul 22 17:17:01 <pattyland> Just to be sure, an app store for legazy webos?
Jul 22 17:17:09 <Preemptive> I see they built a robot...
Jul 22 17:17:11 <Preemptive> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipl7TLSQfwI
Jul 22 17:17:38 <Preemptive> pattyland: Yes, but also with a view to LuneOS in the future.
Jul 22 17:18:06 <Preemptive> We can jump back the that discussion if you have thoughts...?
Jul 22 17:19:07 <Preemptive> pattyland: Some have asked if the pivotCE app catalog listing could do this, but that means you! ;-)
Jul 22 17:19:24 <pattyland> That's why I asked :D
Jul 22 17:19:28 <Preemptive> backlon: Hello!
Jul 22 17:19:39 <backlon> :wave:
Jul 22 17:20:16 <backlon> (Not here as a reporter FYI, just to hang. Sorry I'm late)
Jul 22 17:20:25 <pattyland> So technically we already have registration for developers, and app management. We don't have a fronted for users registration and payment though
Jul 22 17:21:08 <Preemptive> pattyland: Do you think it would be viable for pivotCE to do this?
Jul 22 17:21:57 <Preemptive> The example is http://rebble.io/
Jul 22 17:22:26 <Preemptive> I have suggested the possibilty of asking to join / collaborate with their project...
Jul 22 17:23:41 <pattyland> Pretty awesome project, I already switched my Pebble a few weeks ago
Jul 22 17:23:53 <pattyland> Very good support of Fitbit as I heard
Jul 22 17:23:56 <Preemptive> backlon: We are discussing the possibility of a replacement app catalog. Preware still mostly works, but the webOS Nation app gallery is broken. Would you have any insight on this problem? (or influence!)
Jul 22 17:25:08 <Preemptive> pattyland: Yes, good PR / Customer relations from Fitbit.
Jul 22 17:25:29 <backlon> Boy I'm like 7 and a half years out of webos nation -- I'd definitely hit up Derek Kessler and ask. If they still have the data they might be willing to export it?
Jul 22 17:26:31 <pattyland> So right now the backend that is running http://developer.pivotce.com/ is coded pretty bad, was more like a weekend project from me. Building a app store with payment systems together with all the terms will be a lot of work. I guess we would need a few developers
Jul 22 17:26:41 <Preemptive> backlon: Yes, we've raised it on the forum, but I expect the techies are too busy to fix it. If we can get an export, that would be great, but then we'd have to host it somewhere!
Jul 22 17:27:56 <Preemptive> pattyland: Right. I was kind of hoping there might be some 'off-the-shelf' solutions - ecomerce packages and the like.
Jul 22 17:29:32 <pattyland> Preemptive: Hm, that would be an idea. The interesting part would be the integration into Preware. Preware feed does have a field for a price, did anybody ever bought something through Preware?
Jul 22 17:30:00 <pattyland> I if get an export from the app gallery I think I could import it to the pivotce feed
Jul 22 17:30:55 <Preemptive> What if (as a first solution) the purchase was via the web? Then the account would recognise the device ID and allow preware to download?
Jul 22 17:32:05 <Preemptive> As preware is OSS, I suppose a payment system could be added to buy through the app later on..?
Jul 22 17:33:44 <Preemptive> pattyland: Oh, I see preware DOES have a field for price. I've never heard of it having a purchase system though - maybe a price field is just part of the IPK spec?
Jul 22 17:34:19 <Preemptive> pattyland: I could ask Rod Whitby for advice on this possibility.
Jul 22 17:35:29 <pattyland> Preemptive: I don't know if preware is sending something reliable with the request to download
Jul 22 17:36:20 <Preemptive> pattyland: Yes, I'm just assuming there's some kind of header request going on, but I don't know.
Jul 22 17:37:23 <Preemptive> Shall I just start a thread on this? We can nail down some details and take a view on what progress can be made.
Jul 22 17:37:50 <pattyland> Preemptive: Afaik Preware is using customized apt feeds, I think that they put this field there intentionally. Would be great to know that
Jul 22 17:37:59 <pattyland> Yes, do that )
Jul 22 17:38:18 <Preemptive> pattyland: I know nizovn wants to ask if dependencies can be supported by pivotCE...
Jul 22 17:38:30 <nizovn> yes :)
Jul 22 17:39:17 <Preemptive> For those that arrived late, nizovn has just delivered a Qt5 web browser for the Pre3. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/332183-qt-webbrowser.html
Jul 22 17:40:39 <pattyland> nizovn: Is this something I could scrape from the IPK or does this have to a manuel text field?
Jul 22 17:41:26 <pattyland> nizovn: Awesome work the browser btw! A good browser is/will the only thing a OS need
Jul 22 17:42:48 <nizovn> my packages contain their depends field in ipk itself, but i'm not sure about other apps in general
Jul 22 17:45:32 <nizovn> i package apps using webos-internals like builds: https://gitlab.com/nizovn/preware_feed
Jul 22 17:48:33 <pattyland> I see. I will add this field to our backend
Jul 22 17:48:49 <nizovn> thanks
Jul 22 17:49:38 <Preemptive> pattyland: Thanks for your help.
Jul 22 17:51:29 <Preemptive> I thought this would be a short meeting, but we're heading towards two hours. We can discuss the LG webOS OSE project if anyone is interested or we can wrap things up for today.
Jul 22 17:54:49 <Preemptive> As a side note, I believe webOS Ports are working with LG to some extent. This might suggest that there could be a possibility of some support from LG, (perhaps in the form of their app store), but the history of webOS leads to some scepticism about relying on a corporation... ;-)
Jul 22 17:55:23 <Preemptive> 6. Any other business.
Jul 22 17:55:59 <Preemptive> If anyone has anything additional they would like to raise, now is the time!
Jul 22 17:56:53 <pattyland> According to the number of emails I get from Fitbit regarding my Pebble they spent a lot of time and money to keep the Pebble Community happy *sigh*
Jul 22 17:57:33 <Preemptive> pattyland: I also sigh..
Jul 22 17:58:39 <Preemptive> pattyland does the webOS / Pebble connection app still work?
Jul 22 17:59:44 <pattyland> I crashed my pebble onto the floor a few months ago, and the glass broke. It's still working, but I don't use it anymore :/
Jul 22 18:00:31 <Preemptive> pattyland: Oh, sorry to hear that. Maybe there will be a few for sale on auction sites...
Jul 22 18:00:36 <Preemptive> 7. Date of next meeting.
Jul 22 18:01:07 <Preemptive> OK. Sundays in August are 5, 12, 19 & 26. Any preferences?
Jul 22 18:02:03 <Preemptive> I'm guessing the 19th as the obvious choice...
Jul 22 18:02:33 <pattyland> 19th is the best for me
Jul 22 18:02:50 <nizovn> ok to me
Jul 22 18:03:43 <Preemptive> OK. Do we still go with this earlier time or revert to 1700 GMT?
Jul 22 18:04:52 <Preemptive> (one hour later than today in other words)
Jul 22 18:06:04 <pattyland> As I'm already one hour later than you this is fine for me ;P
Jul 22 18:07:02 <Preemptive> OK, so 1600 GMT...
Jul 22 18:08:02 <Preemptive> Unless there are any objections, the next meeting will be on the 19th of August 2018 at 1600 GMT
Jul 22 18:08:19 <Preemptive> For the late arrivals, the log is here: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos.txt
Jul 22 18:08:52 <Preemptive> bbito: Zarquorn?
Jul 22 18:09:02 <mazzinia> mmm preemptive ?
Jul 22 18:09:19 <bbito> morning
Jul 22 18:09:24 <Preemptive> bbito: I'm afraid we started an hour earlier today.
Jul 22 18:09:37 <Preemptive> mazzinia: Yes?
Jul 22 18:09:44 <mazzinia> have you ever heard of a pre3 being rebooted, then after that slowing down after some minutes
Jul 22 18:09:46 <bbito> oops, I missed the memo
Jul 22 18:09:53 <mazzinia> then the battery ?
Jul 22 18:10:12 <mazzinia> and now has the power symbol with the cable inserted
Jul 22 18:10:19 <mazzinia> but the battery was at 44%
Jul 22 18:10:47 <Preemptive> bbito: Any news?
Jul 22 18:11:10 <Preemptive> bbito: Log here: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos.txt
Jul 22 18:11:45 <bbito> s/news
Jul 22 18:11:46 <bbito> Preemptive: No noews...
Jul 22 18:12:14 <Preemptive> mazzinia: I've had the screen fade to black then reboot before, but I don't think I've had problems with the battery level plummeting
Jul 22 18:12:40 <mazzinia> it faded to black, but then did that
Jul 22 18:13:17 <mazzinia> thing is, I did just reboot it manually some minutes before, because the wifi stack went half down
Jul 22 18:13:17 <Preemptive> mazzinia: unless the phone got stuck... or there was a catastrophic battery drain... Were you trying to install the browser?
Jul 22 18:13:43 <mazzinia> no, I was using wifi sharing to copy the qt package on the phone
Jul 22 18:13:53 <mazzinia> after it got copied, I launched preware
Jul 22 18:14:03 <mazzinia> it half froze after loading the feeds
Jul 22 18:14:16 <mazzinia> then the screen corrupted
Jul 22 18:14:19 <mazzinia> and rebooted
Jul 22 18:14:26 <mazzinia> first ? battery
Jul 22 18:14:37 <mazzinia> then power red battery once I plugged the cable
Jul 22 18:15:01 <mazzinia> right now the symbol vanished and is trying to boot
Jul 22 18:15:29 <Preemptive> Just to summarise, I thought this was a pretty good meeting. Good news on the Qt5 browser and an interesting discussion on app store possibilities. I guess we can make that a new project - at least as an exploration of what might be possible.
Jul 22 18:16:00 <Preemptive> Thanks for attending. I guess the meeting is officially over, but I'm happy to stick around a chat for a bit longer.
Jul 22 18:16:13 <Preemptive> *& chat
Jul 22 18:16:22 <mazzinia> eheh
Jul 22 18:17:44 <Preemptive> mazzinia: Yes, I'm worried about the battery. Those kind of reboots are rare for me, but I've learned no to worry too much about them - the first time it happenned I thought the phone was bricked!
Jul 22 18:18:02 <mazzinia> mmmm it just revived. the battery shows 4%
Jul 22 18:18:14 <Preemptive> mazzinia: Glad to read it's rebooting.
Jul 22 18:18:26 <mazzinia> so either it drained bigtime, or it was wrongly showing the charge
Jul 22 18:18:30 <mazzinia> or the battery is failing
Jul 22 18:19:18 <Preemptive> mazzinia: Solution: You had double vision when you last looked at it, so it appeared to be 44%. The answer is to lay off the alcohol! ;-)
Jul 22 18:19:41 <mazzinia> well.. I think more that something went wrong somewhere
Jul 22 18:20:16 <mazzinia> sumy's batteries don't die point blank, so I would exclude this option
Jul 22 18:20:26 <nizovn> vodka is a solution btw
Jul 22 18:21:17 <Preemptive> nizovn: :)
Jul 22 18:21:52 <Preemptive> mazzinia: I need a Sumy battery!
Jul 22 18:22:20 <mazzinia> he's still around, answers to emails
Jul 22 18:22:29 <mazzinia> just not very quickly
Jul 22 18:22:55 <pattyland> nizovn: The fields "depends" is live :) Maybe I will could get the value by extracting it from the uploaded ipk... I will look into that
Jul 22 18:23:05 <nizovn> mazzinia: i think battery has lost a bit of capacity, and was showing wrong percentage; but now after it's discharged it's likely to recalibrate and you won't see for some time
Jul 22 18:23:25 <nizovn> pattyland: wow thanks!
Jul 22 18:23:42 <Preemptive> If you could send his email address to preemptive@gmx.com I would be grateful.
Jul 22 18:23:52 <Preemptive> mazzinia: ^
Jul 22 18:24:06 <Preemptive> pattyland: Fast work!
Jul 22 18:24:17 <mazzinia> sure thing
Jul 22 18:26:32 <mazzinia> sent
Jul 22 18:27:04 <Preemptive> mazzinia: Thankyou! :-)
Jul 22 18:28:53 <mazzinia> and looks like copying the qt5 package didn't change the result
Jul 22 18:28:57 <Preemptive> bbito: I think Herrie is moving house today also, but hopefully we can get something moving for next month. I'll see what i can do, but as you know, I'm not very technical.
Jul 22 18:29:59 <pattyland> nizovn: Are you planning to publish your package in the pivotce feed? Or did you just noticed that we are missing this field?
Jul 22 18:30:30 <pattyland> I could add your feed to http://preware.pivotce.com/ if you prefer having your own
Jul 22 18:32:31 <bbito> Preemptive: Sounds good!
Jul 22 18:33:03 <nizovn> yes, i wanted to publish apps in pivotce feed
Jul 22 18:33:12 <nizovn> but if you could add my feed it would be perfect
Jul 22 18:34:25 <nizovn> pattyland: i think it could save me from filling all those fields by hand
Jul 22 18:34:45 <pattyland> adding your feed to http://preware.pivotce.com/ just means that it scraped your feed and display a webpage for that, there is no way of like "merging" a feed
Jul 22 18:35:04 <nizovn> ah ok
Jul 22 18:35:34 <pattyland> If you upload your ipk through http://developer.pivotce.com/ a lot of fields are filled from the portal
Jul 22 18:36:12 <pattyland> You just have to add ad descrition, images etc
Jul 22 18:36:36 <pattyland> *description
Jul 22 18:36:44 <nizovn> ok, good to know, i'll publish ipks in pivotce feed then (after they are confirmed to work by others)
Jul 22 18:37:44 <pattyland> nizovn: Glad to hear! Message me if you have any problems/questions
Jul 22 18:38:12 <nizovn> ok thanks!
Jul 22 18:38:41 <mazzinia> about that, be a good guinea pig @preemptive , and install the qt browser on your pre3 :P
Jul 22 18:39:03 <nizovn> :)
Jul 22 18:39:27 <mazzinia> what I've not tried is using wosqi
Jul 22 18:39:57 <nizovn> well, it's got installed on Go, so maybe i failed not fully this time :)
Jul 22 18:40:15 <pattyland> nizovn: For the meantine I added your feed http://preware.pivotce.com/ - http://preware.pivotce.com/package/com.nizovn.qtwebbrowser :)
Jul 22 18:40:31 <mazzinia> (but that thing somehow developed an issue for packages over 30mb months ago.. it fails / corrupts )
Jul 22 18:40:42 <mazzinia> ( wosqui, i mean )
Jul 22 18:42:11 <nizovn> pattyland: nice, thanks. it's that app that not fully tested btw .. :)
Jul 22 18:43:08 <pattyland> nizovn: I guess it shares this with many app in there :P
Jul 22 18:44:05 <nizovn> :)
Jul 22 18:47:12 <pattyland> I'm out for now, see you :)
Jul 22 18:47:17 <nizovn> bye
Jul 22 18:51:22 <Preemptive> mazzinia: installing via pivotCE... er that was quick!
Jul 22 18:52:56 <Preemptive> mazzinia: It didn't install. Second try got an error. 'nothing interesting' in the log...
Jul 22 18:53:41 <Preemptive> Might be the feed. I see a couldn't connect to host error message.
Jul 22 18:57:20 <bbito> I'll try to see ya'll next time
Jul 22 18:57:22 <bbito> bye
Jul 22 19:00:03 <nizovn> Preemptive: you mean you installed ipk from pivotce?
Jul 22 19:01:03 <nizovn> you will need to install dependencies as well..
Jul 22 19:02:45 <mazzinia> mmm try using the "older" feed maybe
Jul 22 19:06:06 <Preemptive> nizovn: Yes. I tried adding the feed, but that doesn't seem to work. What are the dependencies? Maybe I can do it manually by downloading the IPKs and doing it on the device
Jul 22 19:07:04 <Preemptive> https://gitlab.com/nizovn/preware_feed/tree/master/ipkgs
Jul 22 19:07:59 <nizovn> Preemptive: you need to use "raw" links for packages
Jul 22 19:08:20 <nizovn> https://gitlab.com/nizovn/preware_feed/raw/master/ipkgs/
Jul 22 19:09:15 <Preemptive> 404 in browser. That is the feed I tried to add in Preware
Jul 22 19:09:56 <nizovn> yes, 404 is ok
Jul 22 19:10:32 <Preemptive> Can download from the tree...? com.nizovn.cacert_2018-03-07_armv7.ipk
Jul 22 19:11:06 <Preemptive> It's in my downloads folder... (on PC)
Jul 22 19:11:17 <nizovn> ok
Jul 22 19:11:28 <nizovn> dependencies: com.nizovn.qt5sdk com.nizovn.qt5 com.nizovn.qt5qpaplugins com.nizovn.openssl com.nizovn.glibc com.nizovn.cacert org.webosinternals.dbus
Jul 22 19:11:54 <nizovn> anything except qupzilla it seems
Jul 22 19:12:11 <mazzinia> uh wait... is dbus still a prerequisite ?
Jul 22 19:12:19 <nizovn> yes
Jul 22 19:12:27 <mazzinia> since it was not mentioned ...
Jul 22 19:12:30 <nizovn> it's needed for qtwebengine
Jul 22 19:12:42 <mazzinia> I didn't install it on the pre3...
Jul 22 19:13:06 <nizovn> it should have been installed automatically
Jul 22 19:13:27 <mazzinia> you sure ? I don't have alpha feeds active
Jul 22 19:14:22 <nizovn> yes, it's needed
Jul 22 19:14:59 <mazzinia> confirmed, not installed.
Jul 22 19:15:08 <mazzinia> nor it asked it as a prerequisite
Jul 22 19:15:25 <mazzinia> it asked just the qt/certs/glib
Jul 22 19:15:26 <nizovn> well maybe it's the problem with installing qt5
Jul 22 19:15:34 <mazzinia> yep, maybe it is
Jul 22 19:15:45 <mazzinia> I'll install it manually copying from the alpha
Jul 22 19:15:48 <Preemptive> nizovn: OK thanks. I'm not seeing dbus in preware - might need to activate alpha feeds on the Pre3. I'll report back on the thread.
Jul 22 19:16:12 <mazzinia> I don't activate the alpha, will copy the package locally
Jul 22 19:17:06 <nizovn> i feel we will need to get dbus out from alpha feed..
Jul 22 19:17:51 <mazzinia> given the usage , yes, I suspect may be simpler
Jul 22 19:22:14 <mazzinia> by the way, better rebooting after dbus or ?
Jul 22 19:25:10 <Preemptive> nizovn: Is there a correct order of installation? Guess: dbus, openssl, glibc, qt5, qt5SDK, browser, plugins
Jul 22 19:25:29 <nizovn> reboot is not needed i think
Jul 22 19:25:53 <mazzinia> qt5 success
Jul 22 19:25:55 <mazzinia> was that
Jul 22 19:26:34 <nizovn> Preemptive: it turned out i wrote them in order, but reversed
Jul 22 19:26:57 <Preemptive> nizovn: Understood! ;)
Jul 22 19:27:19 <nizovn> mazzinia: ok good
Jul 22 19:27:28 <mazzinia> uh.. a new explorer for dropbox
Jul 22 19:27:56 <nizovn> i blame Preware for not showing good error message though
Jul 22 19:28:39 <mazzinia> yeh well.. I agree... the logs are quite minimalistic
Jul 22 19:28:41 <mazzinia> mmm
Jul 22 19:28:47 <mazzinia> launched
Jul 22 19:29:04 <mazzinia> takes a lot from black to working screen
Jul 22 19:33:05 <mazzinia> looks like we have skype again :P
Jul 22 19:33:43 <mazzinia> now, if this could be invoked for captive portals, it would solve the issue of those no more working, I guess
Jul 22 19:35:38 <nizovn> not sure, maybe captive portal registration will appear on loading any page?
Jul 22 19:36:26 <Preemptive> I think it depends on the portal. Some work like that for me, some just don't work...
Jul 22 19:36:58 <mazzinia> yeh, they did somee upgrade that results in a blank page on our side
Jul 22 19:37:16 <mazzinia> but on our side it relies on webkit , aka the stock browser
Jul 22 19:38:23 <mazzinia> tbh one of those captive portals even managed to freeze the phone solid. it took 20 minutes of ringtone tries to get it to finally revive
Jul 22 19:39:13 <mazzinia> ( and on this topic, a week ago both the go and the pre3 froze solid during the night... both at the same time )
Jul 22 19:40:18 <mazzinia> made me wonder about interferences ( copper fiber armonics )
Jul 22 19:42:11 <Preemptive> Packages downloaded & moved to phone. Installing dbus, but I have to eat. I'll report back on the thread
Jul 22 19:42:14 <Preemptive> Bye!
Jul 22 19:52:13 <mazzinia> enjoy
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