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Aug 19 15:41:38 <Preemptive> Starting on the hour: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-7.html#post3453775
Aug 19 15:59:07 <Preemptive> Morning
Aug 19 15:59:43 <xd1936> Good morning!
Aug 19 16:00:10 <nizovn> hi
Aug 19 16:00:21 <Preemptive> Here's the agenda: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-7.html#post3453976
Aug 19 16:01:09 <Preemptive> I might give it a couple of minutes as people as people realise they need to register with Freenode
Aug 19 16:01:29 <xd1936> 👍
Aug 19 16:02:33 <Preemptive> xd1936: That comes up as a null character for me! (linux)
Aug 19 16:03:01 <xd1936> (thumbs up emoji)
Aug 19 16:03:08 <Preemptive> ;-)
Aug 19 16:03:34 <elvispre> Hello
Aug 19 16:04:45 <bughi1980> hello
Aug 19 16:06:22 <Preemptive> OK. Let's start! Another link top the agenda: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-7.html#post3453976
Aug 19 16:06:36 <Preemptive> 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
Aug 19 16:07:10 <Preemptive> If you are new, a quick webOS-related bio is useful, otherwise, just say hello if you haven't already
Aug 19 16:07:52 <elvispre> Hi. I am a long time Pre / Pre3 owner. I have a couple of WebOS TVs and currently three LuneOS dev devices.
Aug 19 16:08:10 <elvispre> I attended the Paris meet-up with LG to discuss webOS OSE
Aug 19 16:08:25 <elvispre> I'm a s/w developer for a living but nothing to do with phones
Aug 19 16:08:45 <Preemptive> elvispre: (except for LuneOS! ;-)
Aug 19 16:08:54 <Preemptive> elvispre: Welcome!
Aug 19 16:08:59 <xd1936> Hello! First meeting, glad to be here. Former webOS diehard, haven't kept close tabs on today's development but very interested! Noobie web dev, Still have and uze a Pre2 and TouchPad. Glad to be here.
Aug 19 16:09:16 <Preemptive> xd1936: Welcome"
Aug 19 16:09:26 <xd1936> Thanks!
Aug 19 16:10:08 <Preemptive> I'm guessing that's everyone covered. Herrie is unavailable today and bbito may struggle
Aug 19 16:10:16 <mazzinia> somehow I'm suspecting it's just us 5 today
Aug 19 16:10:22 <Preemptive> 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group.
Aug 19 16:10:44 <mazzinia> not from my side
Aug 19 16:11:36 <Preemptive> Aims can be found in the first page of the meeting thread - basically supporting legacy webOS, probably to the pint where LuneOS is a daily option.
Aug 19 16:11:45 <Preemptive> *point
Aug 19 16:11:58 <Preemptive> No real rules at the moment.
Aug 19 16:12:13 <Preemptive> 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts.
Aug 19 16:12:42 <Preemptive> We usually skip that bit, but feel free to propose anything.
Aug 19 16:12:50 <elvispre> :)
Aug 19 16:13:31 <Preemptive> 4. Progress reports.
Aug 19 16:14:01 <Preemptive> 4.1.  Qupzilla. (nizovn) http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/331764-tp-qupzilla.html
Aug 19 16:14:28 <nizovn> there is nothing to show for now, but some work was done internally. Fonts in hw mode fixed, context menus in qtwebbrowser fixed, some progress with rotation support.
Aug 19 16:14:46 <mazzinia> oh.. those are big updates actually
Aug 19 16:14:52 <xd1936> Nice work!
Aug 19 16:15:07 <Preemptive> Qupzilla or QTbrowser? Or is this one BIG report? ;-)
Aug 19 16:15:42 <nizovn> well it's all about qt
Aug 19 16:15:51 <nizovn> both browsers will get rotation
Aug 19 16:16:07 <Preemptive> OK! That's excellent news!
Aug 19 16:16:22 <xd1936> Qupzilla is now called Falkon upstream, right? Does this webOS port of Qupzilla bring down updates from upstream?
Aug 19 16:16:48 <Preemptive> So this work can be done at the Qt level?
Aug 19 16:17:31 <mazzinia> I can answer that, preemptive. the fonts is the rendering engine
Aug 19 16:17:35 <nizovn> xd1936: yes, no qupzilla updates for now as qt library itself not polished
Aug 19 16:18:07 <mazzinia> and the rendering engine is in the shared qt components
Aug 19 16:18:10 <nizovn> the idea to switch to falkon after implementing persistent history storage
Aug 19 16:18:51 <nizovn> mazzina: looks like you debugged this as well :)
Aug 19 16:19:16 <mazzinia> no I didn't. but I'm a programmer , sort of, too. so I know how things work :P
Aug 19 16:19:54 <mazzinia> ( just I'm geared towards 4gl oo )
Aug 19 16:20:01 <Preemptive> More and more I am seeing loading errors in the stock browsers, so this work is a real life-saver for the system. As long as we can use the web, a lot can be done.
Aug 19 16:20:33 <mazzinia> the stock browsers "can" be salvaged, preemptive
Aug 19 16:20:55 <mazzinia> it would need to add a newer webkit , in a separate directory
Aug 19 16:21:10 <mazzinia> and invoke it ,instead of the default one
Aug 19 16:21:35 <mazzinia> in theory there were hints that it should be possible with some parameter , but all info were never in the open
Aug 19 16:21:43 <mazzinia> just a lot of hints that it's feasible
Aug 19 16:21:49 <Preemptive> mazzinia: Would that be sufficient? And how easy would it be to upgrade such a fundamental component of webOS?
Aug 19 16:22:24 <Preemptive> mazzinia: Oh right - not 'easy' then. ;-0
Aug 19 16:22:36 <mazzinia> if finding the right parameters, would be just a question of adding a patch
Aug 19 16:22:49 <mazzinia> or simply a 2nd icon pointing at the tweak
Aug 19 16:22:57 <mazzinia> 2nd icon would be preferable
Aug 19 16:23:19 <mazzinia> as for webkit itself, would just need to be compiled for the arm version
Aug 19 16:23:39 <mazzinia> path would require to be on the side of the current one
Aug 19 16:23:49 <mazzinia> that , too, should be simple
Aug 19 16:24:22 <mazzinia> all webkit is in its own directory tree.. so it's just needed to add another tree
Aug 19 16:24:31 <mazzinia> the original would not be even touched
Aug 19 16:24:39 <mazzinia> so nothing would be disrupted
Aug 19 16:24:48 <Preemptive> Hmmm. I think we're going off-topic here, but if you think this is at all feasible, then we could put a discussion item on the agenda for next time. Shall we do that?
Aug 19 16:25:33 <nizovn> i'm not sure there is "new" webkit
Aug 19 16:25:35 <mazzinia> well.. we could. all in all discussing it costs nothing, isn't it ?
Aug 19 16:25:49 <mazzinia> there's newer than the one used for sure
Aug 19 16:26:26 <mazzinia> all in all ours is from 2010/2011
Aug 19 16:26:41 <mazzinia> apple still uses it, and sources are updated
Aug 19 16:26:53 <nizovn> if it's "significantly" newer, then probably webos webkit changed should be ported as well
Aug 19 16:27:07 <Preemptive> Yes. I'll add the item. I believe LuneOS is using webengine with Qt. There maybe an argument for adopting their technology for the purpose of some convergence.
Aug 19 16:27:38 <Preemptive> I'll just insert...
Aug 19 16:27:39 <Preemptive> 4.2. Qt browser. (nizovn) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/332183-qt-webbrowser.html
Aug 19 16:28:16 <Preemptive> So that leads us on to...
Aug 19 16:28:18 <Preemptive> 4.3. webOS Qt5 SDK. (nizovn) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/332182-qt5-webos-sdk.html
Aug 19 16:28:21 <nizovn> :)
Aug 19 16:30:49 <nizovn> no update here, but there is plan to upgrade qt to 5.9.6
Aug 19 16:31:07 <Preemptive> Good stuff! OK Let's move on.
Aug 19 16:31:19 <Preemptive> 4.4. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331796-webos-internals-meta-doctor-2017-a.html#post3451411
Aug 19 16:31:56 <Preemptive> Neither Herrie or bbito are here, so unless anyone is good at making meta-doctors and can add some expertise, we may as well move on
Aug 19 16:33:14 <Preemptive> 4.5. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html
Aug 19 16:34:47 <Preemptive> mazzinia: If there's no update, can you remind us of what may be needed here?
Aug 19 16:38:02 <mazzinia> nope
Aug 19 16:38:04 <mazzinia> no udate
Aug 19 16:38:11 <Preemptive> OK. Well, as far as I understand it, there's Geoclue https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/geoclue/geoclue/wikis/home
Aug 19 16:38:46 <Preemptive> ...and that perhaps need to be connected to ls2 in webOS... or something! ;-)
Aug 19 16:39:48 <Preemptive> 4.6. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually. (novaldex, Herrie) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982
Aug 19 16:39:53 <nizovn> yes. there is location service based on geoclue on LuneOS
Aug 19 16:41:13 <Preemptive> I'm doubtful there's been progress on this, but perhaps the maintance on the servers from tomorrow will offer an opportunity.
Aug 19 16:41:54 <elvispre> What are the dates / times for that maintenance?
Aug 19 16:42:13 <Preemptive> 20 - 27th August
Aug 19 16:42:42 <Preemptive> I don't know times, but I'm guessing service will be patchy over the next week
Aug 19 16:43:12 <elvispre> Sure. Times are probably academic.
Aug 19 16:44:11 <Preemptive> 4.7. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation* (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS, git.webos-internals.org & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). (All members in the sub-sections)
Aug 19 16:44:19 <Preemptive> http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/331800-documentation-management-thread-webos-user-group.html
Aug 19 16:45:15 <Preemptive> 4.7.1. Documentation policy. (see the above link)
Aug 19 16:45:54 <xd1936> I wonder if archive.org would be willing to work with us to host things?
Aug 19 16:46:02 <Preemptive> I don't think there have been any developments here, but the basic idea is to have fairly clear and comprehensive documentation on the webOs system.
Aug 19 16:46:09 <xd1936> I know they have quite a few caches of developer.palm.com
Aug 19 16:46:11 <xd1936> https://web.archive.org/web/*/developer.palm.com
Aug 19 16:47:01 <Preemptive> Much of this material already exists. We have copies of much of the official stuff including the on-device help
Aug 19 16:47:39 <xd1936> Excellent
Aug 19 16:47:43 <Preemptive> novaldex helped us fix up the webOs-internals wiki, which can still be added to.
Aug 19 16:48:23 <xd1936> Who is paying for hosting this various stuff?
Aug 19 16:48:37 <Preemptive> If there are suggestions for 'industry standard' documentation systems or formats, the thread is open for comments.
Aug 19 16:49:43 <Preemptive> As I understand it, webOS Ports is now managing the internals servers (they may share the resources)
Aug 19 16:50:17 <Preemptive> webOS Nation keeps the forum 'just-about' working
Aug 19 16:50:25 <elvispre> I think so too.
Aug 19 16:51:08 <Preemptive> pivotCE has some articles, a web index of the Preware feeds and even hosts a handful of apps.
Aug 19 16:51:53 <Preemptive> Funding-wise, I think donations support it all and if the money gets low, we will have to request more...
Aug 19 16:52:20 <Preemptive> Misj: Hi!
Aug 19 16:52:26 <Misj> hay
Aug 19 16:52:43 <Preemptive> Just in time...
Aug 19 16:52:56 <Preemptive> 4.7.2. Find / improve documentation of mojo / enyo. (Misj) http://www.banneret.nl/webos/documentation/
Aug 19 16:54:19 <Preemptive> Misj has gathered some documentation for app development at this URL
Aug 19 16:54:21 <Misj> nothing new here. I still need to back that site up (I mentioned a couple of sessions ago) where they detail the services. But I haven't gotten around to it
Aug 19 16:55:15 <Preemptive> Perhaps there's something in there about scaling - looking ahead to your question in the discussion bit.
Aug 19 16:55:29 <Preemptive> 4.7.3. On device Help System.
Aug 19 16:56:00 <Misj> I have to check which site it was, as my bookmarks were on the broken harddrive.
Aug 19 16:56:16 <Preemptive> Pretty sure there's nothing here. As above, we have the material, but there's currently no active system to format it to send to a device.
Aug 19 16:56:20 <Misj> the document-backups were on another, however, so it should be fine
Aug 19 16:56:47 <Misj> ((by the way...who's all in today?))
Aug 19 16:57:34 <Preemptive> Misj: OK. Yes, having back ups is a good idea that we should add to the documentation thread. I probably have some space, so i could download your archive for safety.
Aug 19 16:58:41 <Preemptive> So the documentation summary is basically that we have 'stabilised' the situation and have copies of most of it. the next bit is to organise a bit better.
Aug 19 16:58:47 <xd1936> I have access to a Google Drive account with unlimited storage space for the foreseeable future and am happy to stash away backups and archives as well
Aug 19 16:59:18 <Misj> @Pre: yes, I thinks that's about right.
Aug 19 17:00:04 <Preemptive> xd1936: Great! Maybe if you post to the thread, we can co-ordinate (or if you have that much space, maybe you'll just take everything! ;-)
Aug 19 17:00:34 <xd1936> Happy to! Will do.
Aug 19 17:00:54 <Misj> the docs aren't that big (most is text)...but it's also mostly a direct copy/rip. So there's no good structure/organization in there.
Aug 19 17:00:59 <Preemptive> Side note: On-device help files are at www.palm.si, but I'm not sure if they are publily accessible at the moment.
Aug 19 17:01:18 <Preemptive> I may have some copy of those also...
Aug 19 17:01:26 <Preemptive> 4.8. webOS App Museum / Indexing the FTP app source. (JVLebbink1) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/332122-webos-app-museum.html
Aug 19 17:02:24 <Misj> I haven't heard any negative feedback on the app...so
Aug 19 17:02:35 <Preemptive> JVLebbink isn't here. As far as I know, this project is kind of complete, so perhaps we should remove this item.
Aug 19 17:02:49 <nomad84> hello
Aug 19 17:02:55 <Preemptive> It's a listing of the old catalog
Aug 19 17:03:04 <Preemptive> nomad84: Hi!
Aug 19 17:03:07 * Misj 'has to leave again...was just poping for a second'
Aug 19 17:04:01 <Preemptive> It's worth a look. i understand it can be configured to access an FTP store via Preware...
Aug 19 17:05:56 <Preemptive> Anyone have thoughts or shall i move on?
Aug 19 17:06:15 <elvispre> Well, I just downloaded it but thoughts will come later.
Aug 19 17:06:30 <Preemptive> OK.
Aug 19 17:06:32 <Preemptive> 4.9 App Store Specification. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/329621-making-another-app-store.html#post3453768 (also: https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/332000-app-gallery-issue-reporting-thread.html#post3452882 webOS Nation App gallery issues). (Preemptive + others)
Aug 19 17:08:25 <Preemptive> This was extensively discussed last month. The webOS Nation app gallery is broken. It's looking unlikely that it will be fixed. With the absence of the Official catalog, we are left with Preware and side-loading.
Aug 19 17:09:50 <Preemptive> The obvious answer is a new app store. I started a thread to discuss a specification or options. I don't think there was much response.
Aug 19 17:10:43 <Preemptive> It is also assumed that LuneOS will one day need such a service.
Aug 19 17:11:40 <Preemptive> Admin and hosting costs will likely mean that this will need to generate some level of income.
Aug 19 17:12:14 <Preemptive> More information is in the previous meeting log and the thread above.
Aug 19 17:12:16 <elvispre> Just enough to be self-sustaining
Aug 19 17:13:19 <Preemptive> elvispre: Yes. It is unlikely to ever make anyone rich, but some 'pocket money' for whoever maintains it might be sufficient incentive.
Aug 19 17:14:34 <Preemptive> elvispre: The other option might be to build a platform to act as a server / store for a number of obscure or 'zombie' systems: Economies of scale...
Aug 19 17:15:12 <elvispre> Yes, I am just reading the thread on webosnation.
Aug 19 17:16:53 <Preemptive> Of course, you've met with LG... They could help us out, but the history of Palm might mean that the community might trust their own solution over a corporate one... ;-)
Aug 19 17:17:25 <elvispre> They might also ask "What's in it for us?"
Aug 19 17:17:52 <Preemptive> Quite.
Aug 19 17:18:21 <elvispre> The Korean team were obviously quite concerned about explaining themselves to their boss back home.
Aug 19 17:19:40 <Preemptive> elvispre: Happy to discuss, if you are able to tell us about the relationship between webOS Ports and LG, but i half assumed there would be some kind of NDA
Aug 19 17:20:06 <Preemptive> I have wondered what was in it for webOS Ports...
Aug 19 17:22:08 <elvispre> There was no NDA. They talked about what their webOS road map - it doesn't involve phones or tablets - and just asked us to be discreet.
Aug 19 17:22:24 <elvispre> Actually, they wondered what our roadmap was.
Aug 19 17:23:07 <Preemptive> Is there one?
Aug 19 17:23:24 <elvispre> It really was just a meet-up to introduce ourselves and see what came up.
Aug 19 17:24:36 <elvispre> Our roadmap is just to try to keep having a usable webOS on a phone. Certainly, that's *my* roadmap.
Aug 19 17:25:00 <elvispre> And to migrate the LuneOS effort to some more modern hardware.
Aug 19 17:25:01 <Preemptive> elvispre: I've assumed OSE was mainly an attempt to get things moving on the IoT front and gain some momentum to possibly challenge Android.
Aug 19 17:25:43 <elvispre> Well, it has the same base as the commercial webOS.
Aug 19 17:25:58 <Preemptive> elvispre: So I can see mutual benefit if you help them develop hteir system and they offer modules that might be useful for thephone side.
Aug 19 17:26:19 <elvispre> The Californian contigent showed us some in-car stuff they were doing based on OSE.
Aug 19 17:26:50 <elvispre> They wanted us to believe OSE was A Thing and that we should upgrade to it.
Aug 19 17:27:52 <Preemptive> elvispre: Right. I've thought it's tough to challenge an incumbent OS in mobile, but new markets offer a chance to build and eco-system with mobile being the final piece...
Aug 19 17:27:52 <elvispre> If we can put it on a phone and make that do something useful, they can point potential partners to that as a demonstration that webOS is pretty easy to adopt.
Aug 19 17:28:50 <Preemptive> elvispre: OK. Thanks for the info.
Aug 19 17:30:40 <Preemptive> We've now covered the active projects and can move to discussion if no one has anything more to add.
Aug 19 17:31:26 <Preemptive> 5. Discussion of other items.
Aug 19 17:31:49 <Preemptive> 5.1. Device back up options. http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/331801-options-automated-device-backup-webos-user-group.html#post3451423
Aug 19 17:33:43 <Preemptive> I'm doubtful there's much to add here. This could also be a service offered along with an app store. First we need to test manual options, then see what can be automated to mimic the original Palm services.
Aug 19 17:34:24 <Preemptive> 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html
Aug 19 17:34:38 <elvispre> I don't know what options are practical now, but it did used to be awesome that you could get a new device, sign in and your device just came back like the old one.
Aug 19 17:34:46 <elvispre> (5.1)
Aug 19 17:36:37 <Preemptive> elvispre: Yes. I don't know how much of that code was Open-sourced and how far LuneOS could offer a similar experience. One option is of course to have an 'ownCloud' system where the user backs up to their own server/NAS/PC
Aug 19 17:37:16 <Preemptive> Or a Palm-style 'Hotsync' either by wire or wifi
Aug 19 17:38:02 <Preemptive> (back to 5.2) I'm unaware of any new vulnerabilities or fixes! ;-) Just the old ones!
Aug 19 17:38:22 <elvispre> Me neither.
Aug 19 17:38:24 <Preemptive> 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/
Aug 19 17:39:00 <Preemptive> I guess we have already covered this a bit, but if anyone wants to comment on technical items...
Aug 19 17:39:00 <elvispre> Well, they have committed updates to the github repo several times since release already.
Aug 19 17:39:46 <elvispre> I know it boots and runs, but I don't have anything specific to say about it.
Aug 19 17:40:17 <elvispre> They're keeping to their published roadmap schedule.
Aug 19 17:41:03 <Preemptive> elvispre: I suppose a follow on question is, are webOS Ports considering using OSE or is the current LuneOS tech good enough or even better than OSE. Is there an advantage to using some of their code?
Aug 19 17:42:00 <elvispre> They were pretty persuasive that migrating to OSE-based to old Open WebOS-based was a good idea.
Aug 19 17:42:30 <elvispre> They have a pretty big team of developers who have been working on the code base continuously.
Aug 19 17:42:44 <elvispre> Lots of optimisation. A bit of redesign.
Aug 19 17:43:02 <elvispre> It is hard to believe their version is not better than ours.
Aug 19 17:43:18 <Preemptive> Free development work is not to be sniffed at... ;-)
Aug 19 17:43:42 <elvispre> On the other hand, it's quite a lot of work to rebase what we have changed on OSE.
Aug 19 17:44:06 <elvispre> Herrie has made a start though. Apparently, it should mostly be not too hard.
Aug 19 17:44:34 <Preemptive> OK. Sounds good!
Aug 19 17:45:54 <elvispre> There are a number of new device ports in the pipeline. Once they are basically working - and they already are really - and people come back from their holidays, things may move a bit quicker for a while.
Aug 19 17:47:14 <Preemptive> It's been a while since there was a stable release. It might be useful to get some fresh interest.
Aug 19 17:47:46 <Preemptive> We can move on to the next item...?
Aug 19 17:47:51 <elvispre> Absolutely.
Aug 19 17:48:00 <elvispre> And yes.
Aug 19 17:48:10 <Preemptive> It seems Misj has left us, but he had a question (and can read the logs)
Aug 19 17:48:18 <Preemptive> 5.4. Is it possible to enlarge mojo apps on the Touchpad? https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-7.html#post3453971
Aug 19 17:49:01 <Preemptive> The idea is to do something with CSS to get mojo apps to appear larger on the TP screen, making for a better experience
Aug 19 17:49:34 <elvispre> I seem to remember that got asked years ago and the answer was "Not really".
Aug 19 17:50:10 <Preemptive> elvispre: What was the reason?
Aug 19 17:50:16 <nizovn> i assume it's about not all mojo apps, but only "old" for pre?
Aug 19 17:50:50 <Preemptive> nizovn: Yes, mojo was on the TP only to support the old Pre apps
Aug 19 17:50:56 <nizovn> like "uiRevision" in appinfo.json 1 for phones and 2 for phones and TP
Aug 19 17:50:57 <elvispre> Something like they had to run in an emulator window.
Aug 19 17:51:23 <nizovn> i'm not JS programmer, but i had one mojo app, and it was fullscreen on TP
Aug 19 17:51:24 <elvispre> Or an "emulator" window, rather. I barely remember.
Aug 19 17:52:11 <Preemptive> There was a trick to change a line in the index.html to 'viewport'. This enabled Pre2 app to scale to the Pre3 screen, but that's only a small enlargement
Aug 19 17:52:12 <nizovn> preware is mojo btw
Aug 19 17:53:02 <Preemptive> nizovn: Yes, but I think it's enyo on the TP... Or are you saying it IS a full-size mojo app?
Aug 19 17:53:18 <nizovn> yes
Aug 19 17:53:40 <nizovn> * i wrote one mojo app for TP
Aug 19 17:53:45 <Preemptive> nizovn: Ah! So it IS possible to have a full-scren app!
Aug 19 17:53:52 <Preemptive> *screen
Aug 19 17:54:26 <Preemptive> So is there a 'fix' or is a it a major rewrite for each app?
Aug 19 17:55:36 <nizovn> i don't know, maybe graphics in such apps is designed specifically for phone resolution
Aug 19 17:55:56 <Preemptive> A likely possibility...
Aug 19 17:57:44 <Preemptive> Depending on the app, this might be tolerable or some effort to upscale the graphics of a favourite app could be done. Games and other heavily graphical things might be ruled out.
Aug 19 17:58:30 <Preemptive> The standard issue items like button and sliders have already been upscaled for LuneOS...
Aug 19 17:59:01 <nizovn> yes..
Aug 19 18:00:08 <Preemptive> OK. well there appears to be some possibility, but it's a question of complexity and if it's a global or app specific fix.
Aug 19 18:00:48 <Preemptive> Possibly it can be looked into further, but I'm guessing we've covered it as far as we can today..?
Aug 19 18:02:51 <Preemptive> Just to add: mojo is not open-source, but it has been suggested that it could be added, post-install to LuneOS. If app scaling is possible, it would make quite a few apps available.
Aug 19 18:03:10 <Preemptive> 6. Any other business.
Aug 19 18:03:53 <Preemptive> If you have any suggestions or matter to raise, do so now or we will move to the date for next month.
Aug 19 18:04:43 <Preemptive> ...
Aug 19 18:06:06 <Preemptive> 7. Date of next meeting.
Aug 19 18:06:11 <Preemptive> 23rd?
Aug 19 18:06:52 <nizovn> ok for me
Aug 19 18:06:54 <elvispre> Works for me.
Aug 19 18:07:37 <elvispre> Presumably we get a few more attendees when it's not August?
Aug 19 18:08:20 <Preemptive> I never assume things that may lead to disappointment if I am wrong. ;-)
Aug 19 18:08:33 <Preemptive> ... but maybe!
Aug 19 18:08:51 <elvispre> :-) We live in hope. I am glad I noticed this was on and put in an appearance this time.
Aug 19 18:08:59 <Preemptive> Same time? I'm still on BST, so it's OK for me.
Aug 19 18:09:26 <elvispre> I am in UK so it is easy for me.
Aug 19 18:09:59 <nizovn> look like today is 1 year anniversary of this meetup
Aug 19 18:10:43 <Preemptive> I hadn't even realised! How embarrassing. Here's to another year of badly organised meetings!
Aug 19 18:11:36 <Preemptive> That's the anniversay of Qupzilla on webOS too! ;-)
Aug 19 18:11:37 <elvispre> Better than not organized at all. Thank you.
Aug 19 18:11:37 <nizovn> well they are good organized :)
Aug 19 18:12:55 <Preemptive> OK. So it's the last chance to object to: 23rd September, 1600 GMT.
Aug 19 18:14:27 <Preemptive> So I think that's agreed.
Aug 19 18:15:02 <elvispre> In my diary with a reminder.
Aug 19 18:15:39 <Preemptive> Thanks everyone for coming. Maybe there will be more people next month. Good news on the browser and Qt5 updates and there was some interesting discussion.
Aug 19 18:16:19 <Preemptive> Maybe September will see a similar 'boost' to things getting done to keep the zombie
Aug 19 18:16:31 <Preemptive> ... OS staggering along!
Aug 19 18:17:01 <elvispre> Yeah. It shouldn't take much progress to keep it alive.
Aug 19 18:18:26 <Preemptive> Thanks again. See you on the forums and next month.
Aug 19 18:18:37 <nizovn> bye!
Aug 19 18:18:47 <Preemptive> nizovn: Bye!
Aug 19 18:19:26 <xd1936> Have a good one!
Aug 19 18:19:51 <Preemptive> xd1936: Bye! Thanks for coming.
Aug 19 18:24:39 <mazzinia> sorry, I got dragged away point blank :S
Aug 19 18:52:26 <Preemptive> mazzinia: No worries. I hope it was useful.
Aug 19 19:11:53 <mazzinia> yup
Aug 19 22:41:01 <HoH_SiS> Hello?
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