**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 21 03:00:01 2018 Oct 21 13:28:52 * codepoet80 waves hello Oct 21 15:48:19 Morning all. I just posted the agenda. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-users-online-meet-up-7.html#post3454394 Oct 21 15:51:32 codepoet80: klaatu barada nikto Oct 21 16:01:51 morning Oct 21 16:02:01 Morning! Oct 21 16:03:11 Morning! Oct 21 16:03:43 I'll just give it a minute to see if codepoet80 can re-establish connection... Oct 21 16:05:40 OK. I'll start. Oct 21 16:06:20 Here's the agenda: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-7.html#post3454394 Oct 21 16:07:16 The digital ink is still wet. I threw in some items from the forum in 5.4, but we'll see if we have time or if there's anything new to add Oct 21 16:08:02 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees. Oct 21 16:08:18 Hello! Oct 21 16:08:29 If you are new, give us your quick webOS bio Oct 21 16:12:32 ...bbito, tylla, bughi1980 are you all here? Oct 21 16:12:51 I think we are 6 right now Oct 21 16:14:36 Well, I'm going to do the usual speed up stuff and skip straight to 4 unless anyone has anything for 2 & 3... Oct 21 16:14:57 4. Progress reports. Oct 21 16:15:11 4.1. Qupzilla. (nizovn) http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/331764-tp-qupzilla.html Oct 21 16:15:27 I finished with rotation support yesterday, it's not perfect, but usable. Oct 21 16:15:32 Now I need to clean up code, make minor qt update to 5.9.6 (hope it will go well), package and release binaries. Oct 21 16:15:37 So I hope to actually release it soon. Oct 21 16:15:46 Very nice! Oct 21 16:18:17 Are you going to put it on a feed for Preware? Oct 21 16:18:51 nizovn: ^^ Oct 21 16:19:06 yes, to my feed first, and then to pivotce feed once i have time Oct 21 16:20:50 nizovn: It's a very good browser - the best own webOS I think. Oct 21 16:21:01 own -> on Oct 21 16:21:30 But the other modern browser is... Oct 21 16:21:31 Can it be run on Pre2? Oct 21 16:21:31 4.2. Qt browser. (nizovn) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/332183-qt-webbrowser.html Oct 21 16:21:35 well maybe :) except legacy browser i think Oct 21 16:22:03 bbito: Maybe Qt browser is better for the Pre2 Oct 21 16:22:14 bbito: only theoretical right now Oct 21 16:22:42 qt must be recompiled without neon instructions iirc Oct 21 16:23:13 nizown: right, that rings a bell... Oct 21 16:23:45 nizovn: sorry - I always do that (nizovn) Oct 21 16:23:56 np :) Oct 21 16:26:17 nizovn: Any progress with Qt browser or was it just Qupzilla this month? Oct 21 16:26:21 so there is same progress as with qupzilla because mainly qt plugin is needed to improve for now Oct 21 16:26:30 OK Oct 21 16:26:49 So moving on... Oct 21 16:27:04 4.3. webOS Qt5 SDK. (nizovn) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/332182-qt5-webos-sdk.html Oct 21 16:28:25 i'm not even sure there will be updates to sdk because the required libraries are already available, and minor qt upgrades shouldn't change anything Oct 21 16:29:22 nizovn: Would you like me to call this project complete? I can remove it from future meeting agendas. Oct 21 16:30:14 yes, maybe Oct 21 16:30:54 there will be no updates for some time for sure Oct 21 16:31:04 as i plan to work on webOS OSE Oct 21 16:31:52 nizovn: OK. I'll remove it and you can always ask to have it restored if required. I'm sure we'll all be interested in your plans for OSE in section 5.3 Oct 21 16:32:24 ok :) Oct 21 16:32:51 4.4. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331796-webos-internals-meta-doctor-2017-a.html#post3451411 Oct 21 16:32:55 4.4. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito) - Nothing from me, if Herrie can use my help when he can find time for this I'll be happy to try, but I haven't had the kind of time available to learn the patching system on my own. Oct 21 16:34:02 bbito: Yes we know from last month that time is at a bit of a premium right now. Hopefully, you will both have time in a few weeks to move forward. Oct 21 16:35:20 4.5. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html Oct 21 16:35:25 One related issue was raised on my github fork and I'll try to PR that to upstream this week Oct 21 16:36:00 bbito: OK. Might take a peek at the github... Oct 21 16:37:01 bughi1980: Are you with us? (bughi1980 = Mazzinia) Oct 21 16:37:24 oh Oct 21 16:37:33 by pure luck Oct 21 16:37:48 https://github.com/bbito/meta-doctor/issues/3 Oct 21 16:37:51 remembering the time is always an issue Oct 21 16:38:48 bbito: Oh yeah! That was me! ;-) Oct 21 16:39:01 Ha! Oct 21 16:39:17 bughi1980: Any location stuff? Oct 21 16:39:28 nopr Oct 21 16:39:29 e Oct 21 16:39:36 sorry :( Oct 21 16:39:41 OK. Moving on... Oct 21 16:40:17 novaldex & Herrie aren't here, so we'll skip 4.6 Oct 21 16:40:37 4.7. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation* (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS, git.webos-internals.org & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). (All members in the sub-sections) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/331800-documentation-management-thread-webos-user-group.html Oct 21 16:40:48 4.7.1. Documentation policy. Oct 21 16:41:24 codpoet80: Anything you want to suggest here? Oct 21 16:41:54 so, the webos-internals wiki is out of date, and can't be edited (no way to sign up for an account) Oct 21 16:42:06 are those people all gone? any way to add a new admin, so we can update it? Oct 21 16:42:18 codpoet80: We can sort that out for you. Oct 21 16:42:34 It's to stop spammers Oct 21 16:42:44 I have an account (I think) Oct 21 16:43:13 ok, if we can bring that back to life, its seems to be a good central source. i can start updating it -- unless there's a better option? Oct 21 16:43:46 That sounds like the best option to me. Oct 21 16:44:40 codepoet80: If you ask on webos-ports I think someone can get you an account Oct 21 16:44:52 codpoet80: Well, as you know, Misj has a site with a lot of the old mojo docs on it. I have suggested a way to split up the various tyes of documentation Oct 21 16:45:13 err codpoet80: I just keep doing that Oct 21 16:45:14 great. i don't know much enyo yet, but i've got a toolchain and some skills coming together on mojo :-) Oct 21 16:45:16 Herrie can sort an account I think Oct 21 16:45:54 personal suggestion : don't split resources but duplicate them. this way they act as backup, too Oct 21 16:47:14 bughi1980: An interesting thought, although perhaps we should have 'hidden' back ups of each site. Oct 21 16:47:47 The idea really was to focus different types of support in different places. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/331800-documentation-management-thread-webos-user-group.html#post3451428 Oct 21 16:48:12 ya, i've collected lots of bookmarks of personal archives, partial content links, etc... i'd be inclined to pull all the original sources together into a repo, then branch it into an "up-to-date" version Oct 21 16:48:22 This would enable things to be easily found, whether you ae a newbie or a system hacker Oct 21 16:48:46 can always refer back to the original repo as authoritative, but have a central source of all info -- regardless of developer maturity/stage Oct 21 16:51:48 silence is agreement? i'll start pulling sources together, and post on webosnation for feedback Oct 21 16:52:53 Our focus here is on Legacy webOS, but really that is a way to keep it alive until it is replaced / updated by LuneOS. I think helping people to revive old devices is probably the prioroty as development will be limited, but it is good to preserve the old sources for people such as yourself and with a view to moving forward Oct 21 16:52:55 yep ok. and I would second fully pulling sources. the originals can go dead but the pulls will survive Oct 21 16:53:07 just it will need some syncing for diffs over time Oct 21 16:53:49 i'll see if i can script something out for that Oct 21 16:54:05 is mojo going to be supported in LuneOS? or will it be enyo only? Oct 21 16:54:11 So is this a proposal for a github repository of html? Oct 21 16:54:25 mmm preserving should not be just "for the time while" other things are ready. there's the legacy factor similar to retrocomputing Oct 21 16:54:37 so it's a safekeeping of historical data, too Oct 21 16:54:42 github would be my preference Oct 21 16:55:11 github changed ownership.. what about the competitor that got all the refugees from it ? Oct 21 16:55:22 LuneOS has no mojo support because mojo was never open sourced. Oct 21 16:55:28 codpoet80: I refer you back to https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/332259-fumbling-my-way-through-webos-development-scratch-2018-a.html#post3454293 Oct 21 16:55:40 both mojo and enyo should work on LuneOS, if not i would think it's a bug Oct 21 16:55:51 ...but it may be possible to extract mojo and install it on LuneOS Oct 21 16:56:01 mojo works if the libraries are added Oct 21 16:56:02 yes Oct 21 16:56:12 OK :) Oct 21 16:56:36 can mojo be packed with the libraries in the ipk like enyo? Oct 21 16:56:39 No idea if mojo would work 'out of the box' or... Oct 21 16:57:47 bbito: if you are aware about legal stuff, then no for sure Oct 21 16:57:54 well, it would need a test.. extract the libraries, pack in an ipk, and install Oct 21 16:57:57 s/aware/care Oct 21 16:58:09 well the legal issues = we don't deploy Oct 21 16:58:19 yes Oct 21 16:58:21 but one can add the framework later Oct 21 16:58:30 just an innocent ipk Oct 21 16:59:22 I think the legal 'issue' is that if you have a device (and / or downloading a doctor is free), then extracting and moving the framework is OK, but publishing any code or distributing mojo is not OK Oct 21 17:00:35 i would agree, but i'm not expert Oct 21 17:00:41 In the way we seek to add updates to existing doctors, but can't distribute the modified doctors (4.4) Oct 21 17:00:50 yeh well, I think an ipk hidden somewhere will hurt nobody Oct 21 17:01:39 bughi1980: I don't think HP will care, but if they decide that they do, we can't afford any of the consequenses! Oct 21 17:01:39 i tend to agree. there's no particularly litigious owner of this stuff left. its not like these are someone's crown jewels. Oct 21 17:02:03 *consequences Oct 21 17:02:54 I see a reminder in my notes. I think we should ask Misj to include the method of scaling mojo apps at the 'top' of the documentation Oct 21 17:03:01 and i think that mojo will work properly in LuneOS only on Touchpad, as it's not resizeable i think Oct 21 17:03:47 nivozn: ...but... Preware? Oct 21 17:03:49 but who knows.. Oct 21 17:04:05 I thought we'd established that mojo apps CAN resize? Oct 21 17:04:11 well preware is rewritten in enyo 2 for LuneOS Oct 21 17:04:27 nizovn: but not on legacy Oct 21 17:04:28 yes, mojo apps can resize Oct 21 17:04:57 my forked version of the documentation has the details: http://webos-archive.azurewebsites.net/#cScreenSize Oct 21 17:04:57 yes, i just not sure they can resize on devices other than TP Oct 21 17:05:33 (graphical elements may need to be redone, but webOS ports did that for LuneOS system graphics) Oct 21 17:05:50 nizovn: You may be correct there. Oct 21 17:06:09 hm, guess i wouldn't know how to go about trying that. with the two tweaks there, my app is scaling nicely from original palm through touchpad. with mojo, its really all DOM layout (maybe also true in enyo?) Oct 21 17:07:01 *original pre Oct 21 17:11:51 codpoet80: I see from your link that you have the ui revision and viewport fixes. I was going to say that the problem is that there is only one webOS tablet, but of course there is the TouchPad GO. Perhaps we can ask owners what the scaling effect is on thise? Oct 21 17:11:56 *those Oct 21 17:12:19 go has the same resolution i think Oct 21 17:12:32 maybe someone will send me one for free so i can test it out ;-) Oct 21 17:13:08 codpoet80: Infinite patience will be required... Oct 21 17:13:20 same resolution, correct Oct 21 17:13:30 I can do tests if I get packages to test :P Oct 21 17:13:41 nizovn: Ah... yes, i hadn't considered that. Oct 21 17:14:16 ask and ye shall receive: https://github.com/codepoet80/webos-stopwatch/blob/master/_bin/com.jonandnic.webos.stopwatch_0.0.6_all.ipk Oct 21 17:14:46 should fill the screen with no letterbox or phone simulator frame on your 'Go Oct 21 17:15:02 Then there is no easy way to test for resolitions beyond existing webOS devices without putting mojo on LuneOS and using a device with a different resolution Oct 21 17:15:51 At the risk of going off-topic, let's move on. Oct 21 17:16:29 4.7.2. Find / improve documentation of mojo / enyo. (Misj) http://www.banneret.nl/webos/documentation/ Oct 21 17:17:16 so referring back to an early comment, if the intent is purely archive, then I think mission accomplished Oct 21 17:18:16 if the intent is to keep the documentation alive, with fresh additions/corrections/updated links, then we should fork the banneret.nl content into a new repo as discussed above Oct 21 17:18:29 Misj isn't here, but I realise i should have saved my note on scaling for this bit and in general, I think we should also highlight the code needed to register an app ans a MIME-tpye handler, allowing to be selected as the default Oct 21 17:21:33 codpoet80: Possibly. I think it's best to post this to the thread and see what Misj says. It may be simpler just to update what's there as I'm doubful that there will be many webOS code archeaologists who will care and I'm not sure how much of the original documentation is gone. Oct 21 17:23:32 I think i've previously mentioned that I have an old webOS blog domain (webOS center). Happy for this to be used as the 'app development' domain. https://pivotce.com/2016/11/17/webos-center-gone-but-not-forgotten/ Oct 21 17:23:45 that would be awesome Oct 21 17:24:34 That thread again: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/331800-documentation-management-thread-webos-user-group.html Oct 21 17:25:24 We have nothing on 4.7.3. On device Help System, right? Oct 21 17:25:31 ... Oct 21 17:26:54 I'm also assuming that we will skip 4.8. webOS App Museum / Indexing the FTP app source and 4.9 App Store Specification. Oct 21 17:27:48 i was wondering about that Oct 21 17:27:57 Which? Oct 21 17:28:07 codpoet80: Oct 21 17:28:14 indexing the museum/ftp? is there a technical reason this hasn't been under-taken? or legal fears? Oct 21 17:29:01 codpoet80: No, it's done. The FTP itself is legally gray... (IANAL) Oct 21 17:29:23 so is there a preware feed for it? Oct 21 17:29:28 4.8. webOS App Museum / Indexing the FTP app source. (JVLebbink1) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/332122-webos-app-museum.html Oct 21 17:30:08 codpoet80: not sure, but you can download from the first post. Oct 21 17:31:05 ya, i've got it. i'll play with it some more. Oct 21 17:32:39 OK. so we move on to discussion. Oct 21 17:32:58 5. Discussion of other items. Oct 21 17:33:35 emojis! i found 2 threads on webosnation, but no resolution Oct 21 17:33:48 I'm going to skip through to 5.3 unless anyone has anything Oct 21 17:34:20 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/ Oct 21 17:34:38 i was wondering if anyone tried editing the prelude font directly, to add the unicode graphics? Oct 21 17:34:46 oh, are we skipping other? Oct 21 17:34:48 I can give you a little status report if you like... Oct 21 17:35:02 if anyone has anything interesting to discuss on LG's release...? Oct 21 17:35:16 nizovn: ^^ Oct 21 17:35:47 codpoet80: On topic. or bring it up as other business Oct 21 17:36:01 well i just plant to port OSE into xiaomi a1 as planned with lg Oct 21 17:36:12 elvispre: i'm interested in report :) Oct 21 17:36:16 codpoet80: I think you droped out for a bit there, so repeating - On topic. or bring it up as other business Oct 21 17:36:20 :) Oct 21 17:36:57 elvispre: Yes, please go on. Oct 21 17:37:01 Well, Mi A1 now has bluetooth, Wi-Fi and correct clock time. Oct 21 17:37:18 It's not perfectly stable, but coming along nicely. Oct 21 17:38:09 Herrie and Tofe were discussing making a release of LuneOS as is very soon and *then* we can move on to breaking again by making the move to a WebOS OSE back end. Oct 21 17:38:41 elvispre: If I may be nosy, These A1s were sent to you bt LG after the Paris meeting, correct? Oct 21 17:38:53 *by Oct 21 17:38:59 Yes, that's right. Oct 21 17:39:23 elvispre: Odd that they didn't give you LG devices... Oct 21 17:39:46 They were a bit nervous about explaining what they were up to to their boss :) Oct 21 17:40:00 Better to let the hackers hack someone else's device! Oct 21 17:40:21 elvispre: ;-) OK thanks! Oct 21 17:40:21 i think they failed to find open enough device :) Oct 21 17:40:56 nizovn: :-( Perhaps they will try with the next phone! ;-) Oct 21 17:41:58 * i mean open enough LG device Oct 21 17:42:08 elvispre: Thanks for the report. So you are fully on Halium now and looking to also use OSE after the nest releas Oct 21 17:42:24 nizovn: Yes, I understood. ;-) Oct 21 17:42:37 Also yes. Oct 21 17:43:07 OK. we can go to 5.4 unless anyone has anything lese on this? Oct 21 17:43:12 *else Oct 21 17:44:00 5.4.1 HTTPS sites that won't load https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-discussion-lounge/332271-new-solution-work-around-https-sites-won-t-load.html Oct 21 17:44:48 codpoet80 posted this and i thought we might see if anyone had any thoughts or suggestions as to why certain sites were a problem. Oct 21 17:45:12 a simple php proxy is unsatisfactory -- although it works in a pinch (i was able to view a github page on my touchpad with the stock browser) Oct 21 17:45:33 not sure if its worth continuing to pursue. i was thinking of tinkering with a proxy server on my raspberry Pi next. Oct 21 17:45:41 Is it a system problem or a browser problem? Perhaps related are reports of problems with captive portals Oct 21 17:46:24 i suspect system Oct 21 17:46:44 yes, too old openssl Oct 21 17:48:37 nizovn: Does the patch not solve it or is it expired certificates? Oct 21 17:49:38 well i was wrong about openssl already before, but i still think that openssl upgrade to 1.* is required Oct 21 17:50:06 and it's not possible due to binary incompatibility.. Oct 21 17:53:01 To clarify, I'm refering to: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/330666-openssl-updater-fixing-certificate-issues.html Oct 21 17:53:36 Gotta go. Bye! Oct 21 17:54:07 this is what happened to github: https://githubengineering.com/crypto-removal-notice/ Oct 21 17:54:13 I'm perhaps confusing certificates and https Oct 21 17:54:41 so the TLS is a signing algorithm for https Oct 21 17:55:12 the "industry" (meaning the big web browser developers) has decided that TLS 1.0/1.1 is no longer secure enough for https certificate signing Oct 21 17:55:42 and has begun marking sites that use those kinds of certificates as insecure. google has gone as far as saying they intend to block those sites by default. Oct 21 17:55:42 related: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48178052/when-was-tls-1-2-support-added-to-openssl Oct 21 17:55:46 If it is the case that this cannot be updated, then we have a problem, because Google is looking to block 1.1 i think Oct 21 17:56:02 this has everyone -- including github -- getting new https certificates that use a later version of TLS Oct 21 17:56:30 i need to go in a minute as well.. Oct 21 17:56:37 those later versions are not supported on webOS -- even with the openssl and root certs patches Oct 21 17:56:51 so many sites have become inaccessible -- and more will soon Oct 21 17:57:13 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/10/browser-vendors-unite-to-end-support-for-20-year-old-tls-1-0/ Oct 21 17:57:41 thats exactly the issue. we're about to be cut off from all "secure" sites Oct 21 17:57:42 nizovn: OK thanks for coming! Oct 21 17:58:10 thanks. bye all! Oct 21 17:58:15 and Google is shaming everyone -- even blogs and news sites that don't need security -- into moving to https Oct 21 17:58:39 https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/10/avoid-not-secure-warn Oct 21 17:58:59 As this is a big subject, I think we should revisit properly next time. I'll set up a thread for the topic. Oct 21 17:59:22 k. its big for all legacy platforms -- not just webOS Oct 21 18:00:27 I expect elvispre and nizovn were rushing off to make sure LuneOS is ready quicker... ;-) Oct 21 18:00:44 5.4.2 PalmOS on a development board https://forums.webosnation.com/palm-os-devices-apps/332276-palmos-adevelopment-board.html Oct 21 18:00:53 Any one into PalmOS still? Oct 21 18:02:33 5.4.3 Are there any Night Modes for WebOS like f.lux? https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/332277-there-any-night-modes-webos-like-f-lux.html Oct 21 18:03:34 i've been spelunking around the system, i don't see color temperature settings in any config files. i don't think this will be possible. Oct 21 18:03:46 I don't know if the ambient light sensor can also read colour - I suspect not. Maybe it's possible to do some thing with the clock, but it's a system fix. Oct 21 18:04:14 codpoet80: OK I'll leave it for now and see if anything happens on the thread Oct 21 18:04:28 5.4.4 The New Palm phone https://forums.webosnation.com/upcoming-rumored-webos-devices/332267-pivotce-new-palm-phone-revealed.html Oct 21 18:04:59 I'm thinking that this phone is a bit irrelevant to us, but if anyone has comments... Oct 21 18:05:43 it's irrelevant, but it would be cute as a kind of veer Oct 21 18:06:10 OK, so now,... other business! Oct 21 18:06:10 the issue is that it's not a really independent phone,I think Oct 21 18:06:11 6. Any other business. Oct 21 18:06:59 bughi1980: I guess if it gats hacked /unlocked, then it's a neat little thing, but then underpowered... Oct 21 18:07:28 emojis? Oct 21 18:08:10 emojis/ editing the prelude font Oct 21 18:08:57 codpoet: I think emojis were added to Project Macaw, but I don't know how or if it's useful Oct 21 18:09:21 right. has anyone tried? i saw notes about installing alternate fonts, installing png folders... but nothing on just finding the unicode character in the font and modifying it Oct 21 18:09:32 Hi all, sorry for being quite late to the party Oct 21 18:09:40 Of course, the system has some of the early ones - smiley variations Oct 21 18:10:29 tylla: Hi. Here's the log if you need it: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos.txt Oct 21 18:10:33 in my Messages app, when my wife sends a simple smiley from her iphone, it just shows as a square Oct 21 18:11:14 and as far as i can find, all other messaging alternatives (AIM, Skype) are dead. Oct 21 18:11:28 The TP keyboard has some options included, but webOS may simply be interpreting character combinations Oct 21 18:12:29 I'm afriad i don't know how emoli work these days. Are they in character sets or are they separate fonts? or soe other system? Oct 21 18:12:37 ok, i'll tinker and write a post if i find anything interesting Oct 21 18:12:41 Thxs Preemptive, trying to multitask the log reading with following actual conversation Oct 21 18:13:57 codpoet80: Thanks. Maybe do a thread on it. I suspect it can be done technically, but we might have to create (or steal) the graphical assets. Oct 21 18:14:25 the unicode consortium makes them available for free Oct 21 18:15:04 Lots of websites do different graphics with Unicode characters, there you can see blocks as well... Oct 21 18:15:19 codpoet80: I think AIM is totally dead (everywhere). For while I think the old Skype system allowed us to talk to other 'old skype' users, but I think that may be gone as well now. Oct 21 18:15:39 MS is killing it in Nov :-( Oct 21 18:16:19 codpoet80: And these days, we can only fix open-source stuff. Oct 21 18:16:32 i couldnt find, but is there a jabber client? Oct 21 18:17:03 codpoet80: No idea. Never used it. Oct 21 18:18:05 This? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabber.org Oct 21 18:18:59 ya, there was (is?) a way to modify many AIM clients to use a private Jabber/XMPP server Oct 21 18:20:27 in theory we could patch webos to use a different server through A Oct 21 18:20:41 *AIM Oct 21 18:21:20 i'll dig around the root folders and see if there's something simple like a config file we could hack Oct 21 18:22:47 codpoet80: OK. I'm trying to remember the OSS XMPP app. Telegram? There was / is an app i think - definitely for LuneOS Oct 21 18:23:19 moving on... Oct 21 18:23:23 7. Date of next meeting. Oct 21 18:23:45 I'm guessing 18th or 25th for November. Oct 21 18:24:24 i vote 25th, and 30 min later would be nice Oct 21 18:25:30 25th is OK for me. Anyone else? Oct 21 18:26:12 ... Oct 21 18:27:37 codpoet80: As you are new & enthusiastic, we'll trial 1630 for November - but I know they'll be complaints! ;-) The change to 1600 threw a lot of people. Oct 21 18:28:07 thanks! nice chatting with you all! keep up the retro computing -- newer isn't always better! Oct 21 18:28:13 So unless there are any objections, it's november 25th at 1630GMT Oct 21 18:29:32 OK. A bit longer than usual, but we covered a lot of topics and opened up some new ones. Some exciting developments and some worrying ones. Oct 21 18:29:41 Thanks for coming everybody! Oct 21 18:30:14 Sorry seems I missed it today again :S Oct 21 18:30:30 Was busy in the new house doing electricity & pipes ;) Oct 21 18:31:07 Yeah, me still reading the backlogs... Oct 21 18:31:09 Herrie|2: There's some interesting stuff in the logs. logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos.txt Oct 21 18:31:40 The TLS stuff especially might be the last straw... Oct 21 18:32:17 ...although final phase out is 2020. I expect LuneOS will be everywhere by then ;-) Oct 21 18:33:16 btw, i missed intros while moving between connections, so here's a brief one. I'm codepoet80 online, except on webosnation where I'm stuck with jonwise80...no way to change, apparently. I lead a couple software product dev teams in real life, but I used to be an engineer, and still like to tinker -- especially with "dead" platforms (fave game system is a dreamcast, my car is a saab, etc...) Recently got my TouchPad out of storage an Oct 21 18:34:28 Herrie|2: While you're here, I think I found an image for 'Doppio', so I'll put it on pivotCE. I wonder if it's worth doing a short series of updates given the time since the last release, but I'm guessing you are short of time... Oct 21 18:37:50 codpoet80: I didn't even realise Saab had gone! A sad end according to wikipedia... Oct 21 18:38:44 Preemptive: We didn't build finall release img yet Oct 21 18:38:48 happens to too many companies lately Oct 21 18:38:58 I'm writing up the article Oct 21 18:39:12 Herrie|2: I haven't uploaded yet! ;-) Oct 21 18:39:17 Hope to be done with that tomorrow Oct 21 18:39:20 ya, brutal and drawn out. a couple spin outs: a parts company for us original owners and an electric car company trying to sell in china. it was a real engineers vehicle :o) Oct 21 18:40:09 Tofe: Got wifi & bt working on the new targets :) Oct 21 18:41:04 since we are here, just installed stopwatch Oct 21 18:41:10 but it's not definitely fullscreen Oct 21 18:41:17 it's in the usual phone factor Oct 21 18:41:46 i might need to rebuild. give me a sec Oct 21 18:42:58 (tbh I always prefer the smaller factor :p ) Oct 21 18:43:12 can you try my 0.0.7 build? https://github.com/codepoet80/webos-stopwatch/blob/master/_bin/com.jonandnic.webos.stopwatch_0.0.7_all.ipk Oct 21 18:43:19 sure Oct 21 18:45:20 fullscreen Oct 21 18:45:22 rotates Oct 21 18:45:33 but small screen looks nicer :P Oct 21 18:45:52 excellent Oct 21 18:46:05 yes, this might not be the best use of the full-screen mode, but i wanted to make sure it could be done Oct 21 18:46:17 yes works without issues Oct 21 18:46:31 first launch required closing and reopening Oct 21 18:48:10 that's interesting... i wonder why Oct 21 18:50:39 Herrie|2: There's actually an old Doppio picture up there - I guess I was ahead of the game last year. But I'll upload the photo also and you can choose. Oct 21 18:59:13 i found some stuff that could potentially allow us to host our own AIM server, and started a thread Oct 21 19:00:51 I think the first launch cleared some buffer that using v0.0.6 created Oct 21 19:03:39 makes sense Oct 21 19:04:25 alright, that's it for me today. ttyl! Oct 21 19:04:34 have funnnnn Oct 21 19:04:46 I guess I'll go on tweaking the panasonic :P Oct 21 19:05:46 On to other things - bye Oct 21 19:11:23 bye :) Oct 21 19:15:57 Goodnight! Oct 21 19:42:16 hello Oct 21 19:47:56 hello Oct 21 19:48:03 seems you are late, sort of Oct 21 19:48:06 Preemptive: Thnx Oct 21 19:51:54 well, life is a constant struggle I guess :) Oct 21 19:59:58 yep, that's a big truth **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 22 03:00:00 2018