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Mar 17 16:16:52 <Preemptive> Starting at the top of the hour https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-9.html#post3455291
Mar 17 16:58:54 <Preemptive> 2mins... https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-9.html#post3455291
Mar 17 16:59:30 <bughi1980> hello
Mar 17 16:59:41 <nizovn> morning
Mar 17 16:59:44 <bughi1980> for once seems I'm not late
Mar 17 17:00:16 <bughi1980> how's the laptop issue going, nizovn ?
Mar 17 17:00:39 <nizovn> it's fixed :)
Mar 17 17:00:44 <nizovn> so i
Mar 17 17:00:49 <nizovn> 'm here
Mar 17 17:00:54 <Preemptive> OK, Great. I suspect there won't be much to report this month, but we'll see.
Mar 17 17:01:11 <Preemptive> That agenda once more...
Mar 17 17:01:13 <Preemptive> https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-9.html#post3455291
Mar 17 17:01:24 <Preemptive> 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
Mar 17 17:01:31 <elvispre> Hello.
Mar 17 17:01:32 <Preemptive> Who is here? If you are new, introduce yourself with a brief webOS-related biography.
Mar 17 17:02:15 <Preemptive> I think 4 might be it to start with, so I'll move right along.
Mar 17 17:02:24 <Preemptive> Skip straight to 4?
Mar 17 17:02:45 <bughi1980> I guess ( not that I remember what the points 2 and 3 are ,even after all this time, erm )
Mar 17 17:03:39 <Preemptive> It's on the agenda... interrupt if you want to put anything in there
Mar 17 17:03:42 <Preemptive> 4. Progress reports.]
Mar 17 17:03:58 <Preemptive> 4.1. Priority Project: Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2. (dkirker) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-discussion-lounge/332279-end-support-tls-1-0-1-1-problem.html
Mar 17 17:04:54 <bughi1980> I would postpone 4.1 to see if dkirker shows up
Mar 17 17:05:12 <Preemptive> It doesn't appear that dkirker is present at the moment and I don't think there's any public code (haven't checked), so.. yes as you say, moving on
Mar 17 17:05:29 <Preemptive> 4.2. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331796-webos-internals-meta-doctor-2017-a.html#post3451411
Mar 17 17:05:48 <Preemptive> They're not even listed in my sidebar, so...
Mar 17 17:06:02 <Preemptive> 4.3. Updated location service . (Misj, mazzinia)https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html
Mar 17 17:06:19 <bughi1980> no news
Mar 17 17:08:03 <Preemptive> Ok. Something would be handy, but there's also the potential GPS problem - to be confirmed next month I think
Mar 17 17:08:18 <Preemptive> 4.4. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually . (novaldex, Herrie) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982
Mar 17 17:08:23 <Preemptive> Skipping this also...
Mar 17 17:08:36 <Preemptive> 4.5. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/331800-documentation-management-thread-webos-user-group.html
Mar 17 17:08:58 <Preemptive> I'm not aware of any developments here.
Mar 17 17:09:22 <Preemptive> I'm going to skip to 4.6
Mar 17 17:10:15 <Preemptive> Actually, I'm going to skip to 4.8 unless anyone has anything...
Mar 17 17:10:37 <Preemptive> 4.8. webOS Nation App Gallery Submission And Access. (Preemptive) https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/332000-app-gallery-issue-reporting-thread.html
Mar 17 17:11:41 <Preemptive> There have been no developments here, except for the news about the takeover of Mobile Nations, which is listed to be discussed below.
Mar 17 17:12:31 <Preemptive> From what I've read so far, I don't think this purchase will afeect us in the near term, but it's probably worth insuring against any negative outcomes..
Mar 17 17:13:08 <Preemptive> So i think James Falconer, community manager for mobile nations is the next point of contact
Mar 17 17:13:52 <bughi1980> yep... a backup path just in case would be needed
Mar 17 17:14:16 <Preemptive> OK, I'll do that - maybe even tonight if we finish early
Mar 17 17:14:55 <Preemptive> I'll move on if there are no other comments
Mar 17 17:16:20 <Preemptive> 5. Discussion of other items.
Mar 17 17:16:34 <Preemptive> 5.1. Device back up options. http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/331801-options-automated-device-backup-webos-user-group.html#post3451423
Mar 17 17:17:50 <Preemptive> I think actually (this just occured to me now!) Maybe we need some kind of general testing program / thread
Mar 17 17:18:35 <Preemptive> I don't know if it would get anymore traction, but just a kind of notice board to test possible problems and solutions
Mar 17 17:19:10 <Preemptive> I'll think a bit more about the practicalities.
Mar 17 17:19:58 <Preemptive> I'll move on if there are no comments...
Mar 17 17:20:59 <Preemptive> 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html
Mar 17 17:22:29 <Preemptive> I'm not aware of anything new since the GPS thing. There was something about the preemptive execution issue making a comeback. I can't remember what they called it now. I think it still applies only to Intel chips also
Mar 17 17:23:45 <Preemptive> 5.2.1. Does the VPN app need an update? https://forums.webosnation.com/open-webos-general-discussion/332302-vpn-hp-webos.html#post3454594
Mar 17 17:24:12 <Preemptive> I think a TLS fix will allow us to determine the answer to this question...
Mar 17 17:24:57 <Preemptive> 5.2.2. Will current firmware support the GPS date rollover? https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html#post3455213
Mar 17 17:25:22 <Preemptive> As above, I think we find out in April...
Mar 17 17:25:30 <Preemptive> 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/
Mar 17 17:25:58 <Preemptive> Is anyone here aware of developments? I saw a tweet about a college course on webOS in India
Mar 17 17:27:05 <elvispre> It is certainly still active. I tried out some new code about a month ago that let me play audio through my BT headphones.
Mar 17 17:28:29 <Preemptive> I guess our main focus is the benefits to LuneOS, but in addition, a broader webOS 'eco-system' can only help that also.
Mar 17 17:30:32 <Preemptive> So far it's TVs, refridgerators, and what appears to be automotive, though I'm not aware that it's in any actual production vehicle. 'toy' robots also...
Mar 17 17:31:31 <Preemptive> you guys are so talkative today! ;-)
Mar 17 17:32:06 <Preemptive> I'm going to skip emoli support as I think there was a bit of a dead end.
Mar 17 17:32:07 <elvispre> Mostly in listening mode!
Mar 17 17:32:17 <Preemptive> 5.5. Possible LuneOS testing protocol.
Mar 17 17:33:23 <elvispre> It could be useful if the project gets more active.
Mar 17 17:33:53 <elvispre> I tried out some code for Tofe (see #webos-ports) yesterday and happened to try the camera app.
Mar 17 17:34:04 <elvispre> This was on Nexus 4 (mako).
Mar 17 17:34:18 <Preemptive> I'm guessing this is still up in the air, but there may be some fit with what i mentioned above: We could have some kind of list of things to test and how to do the tests. Then we can get better data on either potemtial problems or potenitial solutions
Mar 17 17:34:19 <elvispre> It works really quite well.
Mar 17 17:34:41 <elvispre> Front and back camera and actually takes and stores photographs.
Mar 17 17:34:56 <Preemptive> elvispre: Ah yes, I saw that! my N4 has a new battery, so I should get on and install a new builds.
Mar 17 17:35:30 <elvispre> There will be a new release based on quite up to date Yocto soon I think.
Mar 17 17:36:04 <elvispre> "Happened to try... the app" was the point there.
Mar 17 17:36:13 <elvispre> I hadn't thought to look at that for ages.
Mar 17 17:36:31 <Preemptive> ...and if there is to be a testing protocol, that might be a good time to begin it's development..?
Mar 17 17:36:33 <elvispre> If there were a checklist of things to check, that might well be useful.
Mar 17 17:37:17 <Preemptive> I'm on the mailing list. I wonder if that is actually the best way to start a discussion?
Mar 17 17:38:29 <Preemptive> A testing protocol will only work if it come from the webOS Ports team or is at minimum endorsed by them
Mar 17 17:39:02 <Preemptive> I don't have the expertise to suggest anything more than obvious basics.
Mar 17 17:40:24 <Preemptive> What do you think? (A) Mailing List, (B) IRC, (C) A thread on WN ?
Mar 17 17:41:06 <Preemptive> Or can the two developers here take this up with their colleagues?
Mar 17 17:41:11 <elvispre> C for me.
Mar 17 17:42:23 <Preemptive> OK
Mar 17 17:43:09 <Preemptive> I was thinking we might be done in a hour, but I don't even think it will be that long!
Mar 17 17:44:04 <elvispre> It can't be helped if none of us are the ones driving the items on the agenda.
Mar 17 17:45:30 <Preemptive> Agreed. I'm becoming concerned about the dwindling traffic on the forums and I'm starting to wonder if we've finally run out of time.
Mar 17 17:46:23 <Preemptive> 5.6 is a known issue and I don't think there's anything to add. dkirker might have a fix... after the TLS fix!
Mar 17 17:46:35 <Preemptive> 5.7. Mobile Nations purchased by Future publishing. https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/332384-news-mobile-nations-aquired-future-group.html#post3455288
Mar 17 17:48:38 <Preemptive> I added this mainly so we could speculate. The obvious concern is that a new owner might instruct that the old and likely non-profitable sties be shut down, taking all the forum knowledge and app gallery with it
Mar 17 17:52:40 <Preemptive> This might be another possible hit to the 'eco-system'. If a source of support for webOS disappears, then that will cause the few die-hards to finally give up and even the occasional person who shows up with a device from ebay will be left scratching their heads. This will then possibly negatively affect interest in LuneOS
Mar 17 17:53:57 <Preemptive> But to introduce a brighter note, there have been assurances that nothing material will change and it may even be cheaper to leave WN alone than to shut it down...
Mar 17 17:54:16 <Preemptive> But perhaps we should consider a back up....
Mar 17 17:55:35 <Preemptive> OK, I've strung it out to almost 6! If there are no other comments, we can set the next date.
Mar 17 17:56:16 <Preemptive> (I'm assuming the priority project remains the same and that there is no other business)
Mar 17 17:56:21 <Preemptive> 9. Date of next meeting.
Mar 17 17:57:14 <Preemptive> Sunday's in April are 7,  14, 21, 28, so easy to remember
Mar 17 17:57:50 <elvispre> 4 weeks is a good drum beat
Mar 17 17:58:44 <Preemptive> It says here that the 21st is Easter (for western Christians at least), so we might want to skip that for religious or holiday reasons.
Mar 17 17:58:50 <Preemptive> 14th?
Mar 17 17:59:27 <elvispre> That's fine for me.
Mar 17 18:00:00 <Preemptive> So we'll go with 14th April 1700 GMT unless anyone has other suggestions
Mar 17 18:00:09 <nizovn> ok
Mar 17 18:00:26 <Preemptive> bughi1980: OK?
Mar 17 18:02:07 <Preemptive> OK, it's 1801, so we'll call it a day. The next meeting will be on the 14th April 1700 GMT.
Mar 17 18:02:38 <elvispre> Preemptive: Thanks for hosting
Mar 17 18:02:45 <Preemptive> Thanks for taking the time to attend. I'll try to get some things happening for the next one.
Mar 17 18:03:07 <Preemptive> elvispre: Thanks
Mar 17 18:03:29 <Preemptive> nizovn: Thanks. Glad your Laptop got fixed
Mar 17 18:03:47 <Preemptive> bughi1980: See you at the next one.
Mar 17 18:03:53 <nizovn> me too! thanks
Mar 17 18:04:37 <Preemptive> I'm going to get on with some things, but will leave the channel open in case there are any late arrivals or comments.
Mar 17 18:04:46 <Preemptive> TTFN
Mar 17 18:41:52 <Preemptive> Testing Protocol post: https://forums.webosnation.com/luneos/332396-luneos-testing-protocol.html#post3455344
Mar 17 19:33:20 <bughi1980> sorry guys, I got dragged away :(
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