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Apr 14 15:06:24 <Preemptive> https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-users-online-meet-up-9.html#post3455494
Apr 14 15:07:27 <Preemptive> See you in a couple of hours
Apr 14 17:01:15 <bughi1980> dinner :P
Apr 14 17:02:22 <Preemptive> "Morning" everybody.
Apr 14 17:03:20 <nizovn> morning
Apr 14 17:04:12 <Preemptive> I'm assuming that not much has happened since he last meeting and that attendance will be somewhere between tumbleweed and.. 4? I also have an appointment in 2 hours, so will be going a bit quick if there's nothing on any topic.
Apr 14 17:04:38 <Preemptive> Here's your agenda: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-9.html#post3455494
Apr 14 17:05:08 <Preemptive> 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
Apr 14 17:05:33 <Preemptive> I'm guessing 3 unless bughi1980 is actually eating dinner... ;-)
Apr 14 17:06:06 <Preemptive> If you are new, say hello and give us a quick webOS-related biography
Apr 14 17:06:49 <Preemptive> I will skip straight to item 4 if there are no offers on 2 & 3...
Apr 14 17:07:35 <Preemptive> 4. Progress reports.
Apr 14 17:08:31 <Preemptive> dkirker has already announced computer problems on the thread. Herie & bbito are not here. I will skip to 4.3
Apr 14 17:08:51 <Preemptive> 4.3. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html
Apr 14 17:10:09 <Preemptive> OK, I think bughi1980 / mazzinia is eating, so we can come back to that.
Apr 14 17:10:48 <Preemptive> nizovn: I think it's just you & me.
Apr 14 17:10:59 <nizovn> ah..
Apr 14 17:11:02 <nizovn> maybe
Apr 14 17:11:31 <Preemptive> I'm going to skip the patch portal & documentation.
Apr 14 17:13:15 <Preemptive> Actually, I don't think there's anything here to update or anyone to report, so I'm going to skip straight to section 5. We can return to progress reports if anyone appears with anything to add.
Apr 14 17:13:34 <nizovn> ok
Apr 14 17:13:40 <Preemptive> 5. Discussion of other items.
Apr 14 17:14:02 <Preemptive> 5.1. Device back up options. http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/331801-options-automated-device-backup-webos-user-group.html#post3451423
Apr 14 17:14:42 <Preemptive> I'm actually thinking we should bump this up to being an actual project as there are options to test
Apr 14 17:16:49 <Preemptive> Hmmm... I thought there was more.
Apr 14 17:19:12 <Preemptive> Ah there are more suggestions on the other back up thread. Right. I propose that I start a project to test the options and will beging by making a clear list on the thread for this discussion.
Apr 14 17:21:18 <nizovn> can't help here. i had no need to backup webos devices, so don't know anything about this
Apr 14 17:21:19 <Preemptive> Three goals will be: A) a manual back up guide. B) A semi-automated process to get the job done. C) A solution to replace the original backup system and possibly more.
Apr 14 17:22:35 <Preemptive> I think A is very possible and can probably be developed into B. C may be possible, but may also require work on existing software or fresh coding.
Apr 14 17:23:01 <Preemptive> moving on...
Apr 14 17:23:19 <Preemptive> 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html
Apr 14 17:24:34 <Preemptive> I'm pleased to report that concern about the GPS date rollover has proven to be unfounded. GPS still works and therefore should continue to work for the foreseeable future!
Apr 14 17:25:06 <nizovn> ok good
Apr 14 17:27:00 <Preemptive> One caveat is that reports are from people using the most recent devices, but in my view, trying to use anything older than a Pre+ for anything beyong basic use is a waste of time when later devices can be had for not too much money.
Apr 14 17:27:16 <Preemptive> I realise now that I should test my Pre2!
Apr 14 17:27:30 <Preemptive> moving on...
Apr 14 17:27:53 <Preemptive> 5.2.1. Does the VPN app need an update? https://forums.webosnation.com/open-webos-general-discussion/332302-vpn-hp-webos.html#post3454594
Apr 14 17:29:25 <Preemptive> I had to read back - the previous conclusion was I think "maybe", but the SSL fix will be needed either as a pre-requisite or as the whole fix.
Apr 14 17:29:53 <Preemptive> 5.2.2 is the GPS which was just covered
Apr 14 17:30:08 <Preemptive> 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/
Apr 14 17:30:27 <Preemptive> nizovn: Do you have any updates here?
Apr 14 17:30:38 <nizovn> no...
Apr 14 17:31:54 <nizovn> well i published my work for A1 here, if it counts: https://github.com/webosce/README/issues/13
Apr 14 17:32:54 <Preemptive> Yes, that counts! ;-)
Apr 14 17:32:56 <Preemptive> I saw eric blade tweet something on the LG side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=EJBLbNuK8VM
Apr 14 17:33:04 <nizovn> seems there are no much changes in OSE from March
Apr 14 17:33:50 <nizovn> ok
Apr 14 17:33:57 <Preemptive> OK, well progress is being made and LG seem committed to the OSE, so it's all good news.
Apr 14 17:35:08 <Preemptive> I should have removed 5.4 and will skip it. There has been nothing on 5.5., but I should post something there - especially as a new release of LuneOS may appear soon.
Apr 14 17:36:10 <Preemptive> 5.6 MMS issues have been covered - no further progress and dkirker was looking into it, so it's very unlikely anything will happen soon.
Apr 14 17:36:21 <nizovn> did you see today's Tofe spreadsheet suggestion in #webos-ports (for 5.5)?
Apr 14 17:36:45 <Preemptive> I did not. Do you have a link?
Apr 14 17:37:01 <nizovn> https://www.dropbox.com/s/sw1sth1rm9znd7y/LuneOS%20Status%20Table.ods?dl=0
Apr 14 17:37:50 <nizovn> looks like good list for testing things
Apr 14 17:38:23 <Preemptive> Oh, that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking of, so I'll ask to 'steal' that and post it to the thread! Excellent!
Apr 14 17:38:38 <nizovn> :)
Apr 14 17:39:32 <Preemptive> OK. That's it for discussion.
Apr 14 17:39:47 <Preemptive> bughi1980: Are you present?
Apr 14 17:41:28 <Preemptive> I'm doubtful that there will be any updates today, so I'll leave the channel open for a bit and anyone who shows up can comment.
Apr 14 17:41:36 <Preemptive> 6. Priority Project.
Apr 14 17:42:26 <Preemptive> I don't think the priority project should change unless dkirker reports that he has abandoned the project or can't make any progress.
Apr 14 17:42:57 <nizovn> yes, agree
Apr 14 17:44:04 <Preemptive> We could return to the idea of highlighting a neglected project and I'm of the opinion that the internet location service is a good pick as mazzinia is around and GPS is still working. Without GPS, it may not have been worth doing.
Apr 14 17:44:21 <Preemptive> But he can comment if he returns.
Apr 14 17:44:25 <Preemptive> 7. Any other business.
Apr 14 17:44:33 <Preemptive> I'm guessing none...
Apr 14 17:44:59 <nizovn> no from me...
Apr 14 17:46:13 <Preemptive> 8. Date of next meeting.
Apr 14 17:46:30 <Preemptive> Sundays in May are 5, 12, 19, 26
Apr 14 17:46:47 <Preemptive> I vote the 12th of May as the 5th & 19th don't look good for me.
Apr 14 17:47:16 <nizovn> ok
Apr 14 17:47:30 <Preemptive> Is the same time still good for you?
Apr 14 17:47:38 <nizovn> yes
Apr 14 17:47:46 <nizovn> no preference actually
Apr 14 17:48:23 <Preemptive> OK, great! Thanks for connecting. A very quick meeting, but what little we covered was positive!
Apr 14 17:48:49 <Preemptive> I'll stick around a bit and monitor for any new comments.
Apr 14 17:49:07 <nizovn> thank you!
Apr 14 17:49:31 <Preemptive> I will list possible things to test for back up and ask Tofe if I can post his testing list to the thread.
Apr 14 17:50:40 <bughi1980> sorry for today
Apr 14 17:52:34 <Preemptive> bughi1980: No problem. Is there anything you want to add?
Apr 14 17:52:47 <bughi1980> for my own point, nope
Apr 14 17:53:04 <bughi1980> for the rest, I've done a very quick glimpse so... think not
Apr 14 17:53:24 <Preemptive> Do you think anything can be done on the location service now that we know GPS is still working?
Apr 14 17:54:01 <bughi1980> well, that service was in part not relying on the gps
Apr 14 17:55:48 <Preemptive> I know, but without GPS, it might be debatable if it was worth fixing. As we still have GPS, getting the rough IP fix would be a bonus - especially as GPS can sometimes take a while to connect.
Apr 14 17:57:53 <Preemptive> I know George Mari got google maps working, but aside from fixing the API bit, there are Google's new prices. It might be that we are so few that one dev license will be enough, but if we make too many requests, someone will suddenly get a big bill.
Apr 14 17:58:45 <Preemptive> So his fix was that we could all get Dev keys from Google and patch our on instances of our apps wiith our own keys.
Apr 14 17:59:03 <Preemptive> *own instances
Apr 14 17:59:46 <Preemptive> The alternative of course is to select another system, like mozilla's.
Apr 14 18:16:17 <bughi1980> well, the main issue is that the gps doesn't work indoors, too
Apr 14 18:23:21 <Preemptive> Yes.
Apr 14 18:25:26 <Preemptive> So I take it that any app will connect to gmaps for a location and that there is no 'central' service on webOS. In other words, there is no 'system-wide' fix, each app will need to be patched to access the API of whatever internet location service is used.
Apr 14 18:43:25 <bughi1980> yes, but how many apps do we have , working, that use location ?
Apr 14 18:43:53 <bughi1980> aside mapping ( that anyway works even without location, since you can just go to the area )
Apr 14 18:44:26 <bughi1980> facebook, the client is dead ( by example )
Apr 14 19:12:37 <Preemptive> Yes, you make a good point. I guess we could ask people what location apps they use and decide what is reasonable to fix. Googlemaps would be at the top of the list (possibly the only item).
Apr 14 19:13:50 <Preemptive> Then we could look at options. Either making gmaps able to use a different or multiple services or giving instructions for the dev key work around.
Apr 14 19:14:02 <Preemptive> I'll post something on the thread.
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