**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 18 02:59:57 2019 Aug 18 14:20:36 At 1700 GMT: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-10.html#post3455887 Aug 18 16:19:56 I just may have broken my Pre3's power button or so, the display keeps turning on and off itself every few seconds. Doesn't happen when I keep the power button pressed Aug 18 16:25:43 any ideas on fixing this? Aug 18 16:29:11 sometimes screen stays black for a while then it reboots Aug 18 16:39:54 you can try to take off back cover and clean the button, maybe something stuck there Aug 18 16:45:42 15mins Aug 18 16:59:26 nizovn: wasn't the case, it happened even without cover. It stopped doing that though now, hope it stays that way Aug 18 17:00:34 ok Aug 18 17:04:16 Hi everybody. Here's the link to the agenda: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-10.html#post3455887 Aug 18 17:04:33 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees. Aug 18 17:04:41 hello Aug 18 17:04:52 Say hello and give us a webOS-related bio if you are new here. Aug 18 17:05:08 nizovn: Hello! Aug 18 17:05:09 lurking Aug 18 17:05:47 pcworld: Hello. Step out of the shadows! ;-) Aug 18 17:06:18 nice to see these meetings still happen :) Aug 18 17:07:31 It's slow progress, but no progres if we give up. Aug 18 17:08:31 3 so far. Maybe a few more later. Aug 18 17:08:58 We usually skip the next two parts. Stop me if there's anything to do here. Aug 18 17:09:00 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group. & 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts. Aug 18 17:10:05 4. Progress reports. Aug 18 17:10:15 4.1. Priority Project: Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2. (dkirker) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-discussion-lounge/332279-end-support-tls-1-0-1-1-problem.html Aug 18 17:11:30 Unfortunately, there's been no sign of dkirker since the last meeting. I did request that he posted his code to a public repositiry on the thread, but I don't know if anything has happened with that. Aug 18 17:12:50 I know he's busy, but since our last meeting, Twitter updated to a newer version of TLS and so Project Macaw has stopped working Aug 18 17:13:41 I'll move on if there are no comments or suggestions on this. Aug 18 17:14:20 4.2. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito) LIKELY NO REPORT UNTIL SEPTEMBER http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331796-webos-internals-meta-doctor-2017-a.html#post3451411 Aug 18 17:15:23 As noted, bbito is busy. There was hope at the last meeting that he & Herrie would work together to solve issues with make files. Aug 18 17:16:57 bughi1980: Are you present? Aug 18 17:17:54 4.3. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html Aug 18 17:18:30 Maybe there will be a report later, but for now we will skip this item. Aug 18 17:19:19 Herrie: Are you present? Aug 18 17:21:46 4.4. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually.(novaldex, Herrie) Aug 18 17:21:54 http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982 Aug 18 17:24:16 There are updates here. It seems the code has been updated and fixed by Herrie & Novaldex to the point where the manual updates are possible. Aug 18 17:25:00 https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down-2.html#post3455890 Aug 18 17:25:51 I started a thread for forum members to post patch links to. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/332473-patch-portal-updates-post-patch-information-here.html Aug 18 17:27:39 Unfortunately, I'm the only one who has posted anything there, so maybe I'll try to bump the thread. The next deadline is the end of the month, so if there are any patches dating from after the 20th of December 2013, they can be added to the list to be manually added to the patch portal of Preware. Aug 18 17:28:58 Possibly Herrie will appear later to add something. Aug 18 17:29:18 I will move on if there are no comments Aug 18 17:33:29 I think I will skip all of 4.5 as I'm not aware of any updates. Possibly, Misj has progressed with the documaentation of the Luna system manager reported last month, but he is not here today. Aug 18 17:35:28 4.6. App Store Specification. (Preemptive + others) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/329621-making-another-app-store.html#post3453768 Aug 18 17:36:52 No report. I still need to suggest the idea of a shared catalog to other mobile OS projects. I suppose I need to check if any already have something - maybe UB ports or plasma? Aug 18 17:37:28 4.6.1 webOS Nation App Gallery Submission And Access. (Preemptive) https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/332000-app-gallery-issue-reporting-thread.html Aug 18 17:38:50 There was good news this week as some lost functionality on the forum was fixed. https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/331027-new-posts-working-correctly-3.html#post3455974 Aug 18 17:40:25 I just checked, and unfortunately, the app gallery is still not working. This is likely very low priority, so we should consider requesting the content to be rehosted. But we need an app catalog to put it in! Aug 18 17:42:31 4.7 LuneOS testing protocol. (Preemptive / others) https://forums.webosnation.com/luneos/332396-luneos-testing-protocol.html#post3455344 Aug 18 17:44:31 Currently, there are no updates to the testing protocol. It is the same as the webOS Ports one created by Tofe, with no new suggestions from forum users. Also, there has no been a stable release to test against, so that may cause some interest if it happens. Aug 18 17:44:48 regarding the forum, is it still being actively maintained or is there a risk of shutdown? I suppose the company doesn't make any money anymore from the webOSnation forum Aug 18 17:44:55 *no -> not Aug 18 17:46:40 At the time mobile Nations was acquired, there were assurances that nothing much would change. I expect the overhead to manage the webOS Nation one is minimal and there is some nostalgia as the organisation began as a PalmOS site. Aug 18 17:48:14 So I expect the forum to remain at least until it's completely dead. As we saw this week, there was an update, so maybe a technician has some spare minutes to fix the problem, but as can be seem with the app gallery, we are likely bottom of the list for fixes. Aug 18 17:48:14 Ok. would just be sad if all posts suddenly disappeared, that's why I asked Aug 18 17:50:30 it makes we wonder why there is so small number of posts about LG webOS. webos-forums.ru evolved to mostly tv discussion, and it's very active Aug 18 17:50:42 Item 4.5 covers the possiblility of harvesting information fromthe forum if that was likely. I expect we would get warning of a shut down and could probably get permission to get the content if that happened and of course there are ways to download items, but it is not a project that I'm aware of anyone doing. Aug 18 17:53:43 nizovn: That's a good point. I get the feeling that "Let's Go webOS" gets a few more posts on the TV front. They were sitting on that dead site (LGwebOS) in the hope that this would happen, but I suspect traffic is low. Almost all of their other content seems to be copying WN or reposted from pivot Aug 18 17:53:46 CE Aug 18 17:54:35 https://www.lgwebos.com/ Aug 18 17:55:57 good to know Aug 18 17:56:33 Obviously, TVs need to be hacked - unlike legacy webOS. I don't know why webos-forums.ru are more active. Maybe they are just more interested in hacking? Most of the post on WN seem to be people complaining of wifi problems. Aug 18 17:57:22 ...or if they have the latest system update Aug 18 17:58:31 nizovn: So we have a new item for your new project! Aug 18 17:58:48 4.8 Squid proxy for possible SSL workaround. (nizovn) Aug 18 17:59:01 he-he Aug 18 18:00:13 i got curl response from github/paypal using squid proxy, so it could work Aug 18 18:00:48 now i need to integrate it into webOS, and there are several problems Aug 18 18:00:56 nizovn: no doubt! Aug 18 18:01:43 I assumed this would be some kind of RaspberryPI thing. I didn't realise you coudl build it in. Aug 18 18:01:50 *could Aug 18 18:02:28 just wanted it on device as a workaround if openssl update is too hard Aug 18 18:04:48 so i have it working on TP, but need to decide how to deal with self signed certificates, and setup proxy forwarding Aug 18 18:05:32 I'm sure I must have asked before, but I kind of assumed that the SSL update we have before would be enough, so I was surprised that the TLS was then a problem. I understand that encryption is used in different ways, but I assumed OSSL was doing that work and could be applied to each aspect. Aug 18 18:06:13 Is it just a case of making the OS make a correctly formed request that is then passed to the OSSL? Aug 18 18:06:31 Or are they completely different systems? Aug 18 18:08:19 am which systems? Aug 18 18:08:48 Note: At this time, webOS is at TLS 1.0. Web sites are updating to 1.1 or 1.2. 1.3 is a possibility, but that might be difficult for webOS. Aug 18 18:09:05 tls1.2 was added only on newer openssl, so we need to upgrade it, but these versions are not compatible Aug 18 18:09:33 nizovn: Open Socket Secure Layer / Transport Layer Security Aug 18 18:10:38 I think we only need 1,1 right now, but 1.2 is good. By the time everying else goes to 1.3 either we will be on LuneOS or our devices will be dead anyway Aug 18 18:10:52 *everything Aug 18 18:10:57 I'm half around, putting children to bed Aug 18 18:11:07 Herrie: Hi! Aug 18 18:11:10 we need 1.2 for twitter etc Aug 18 18:11:43 Does anyone know how to change the color of the text in the top bar? For some reason its green on my Pre Plus. Aug 18 18:12:08 OK. So it is in effect a further update to the SSL update that we already got? Aug 18 18:12:13 https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/330666-openssl-updater-fixing-certificate-issues.html Aug 18 18:12:26 yes Aug 18 18:12:56 but that was minor update, 0.9.8 -> 1.0 is difficult Aug 18 18:12:56 TurboWafflz: Don't know. Is it a theme? Aug 18 18:14:07 OK, but SSL is the "engine" that does all the cryptographic work, right? Aug 18 18:14:07 idk, I got the phone used and webos doctored it. Some changes from the old owner stick around though. Aug 18 18:14:37 TurboWafflz: Surprising of you have doctored... Aug 18 18:14:42 *if Aug 18 18:15:00 Are you on 1.4.5 or webOS 2.1? Aug 18 18:15:10 1.4.5 Aug 18 18:16:12 I'm afraid it's before my time. Maybe there are settings. I'd assume text colur change is a result of a patch or theme. Aug 18 18:17:37 That's what I was guessing. I managed to remove the rest of the changes, but can't figure out what caused that one Aug 18 18:17:51 nizovn: Back on topic: So you are running a proxy within webOS? It seems complicated, but your are good at this stuff" Aug 18 18:18:29 yup, squid inside webOS Aug 18 18:19:23 nizovn: How is this easier than directly implementing SSL 1.0? Aug 18 18:22:25 webOS services were linked to old openssl library version, so they must be re-linked if the new version is not compatible Aug 18 18:22:40 this requires webos sources Aug 18 18:23:08 I see. And that would require some decompiling... Aug 18 18:23:14 squid proxy let us to bump tls1.0 connections to tls1.2 using independent openssl 1.0 library Aug 18 18:23:36 Or at least access to the original code Aug 18 18:24:39 yes, to update openssl we need to rebuild webos, or to make new version fully compatible with older Aug 18 18:25:02 I see. I don't know how dkirker was planning to do things, but this seems like a viable alternative. Aug 18 18:25:41 did the API/ABI change between OpenSSL 0.9.8 and 1.0? Aug 18 18:26:44 https://abi-laboratory.pro/?view=timeline&l=openssl Aug 18 18:26:54 it says 72% compatible Aug 18 18:27:32 did anyone look further into this, or was this just an idea without having a look at feasibility? Aug 18 18:28:29 writing an ABI compatibility layer to a newer openssl version sounds quite challenging Aug 18 18:29:32 dkirker is looking into this, it seems he have some info about usage of openssl internals in webOS Aug 18 18:29:37 ah seems dkirker has a plan https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-discussion-lounge/332279-end-support-tls-1-0-1-1-problem.html#post3455037 Aug 18 18:30:29 pcworld: Note the date on that post. Aug 18 18:32:15 It may be that he's too busy to complete the work. But I wish he would post the code. That said, perhaps it is closed source, so he can't. Aug 18 18:33:44 nizovn: do you configure squid as a transparent proxy or how do you get it into webOS apps? Aug 18 18:34:48 Oh, that was page one, but there are no recent updates. On page two Herrie announce something, but it didn't work. Aug 18 18:35:44 pcworld: i saw there are webOS apps to enable proxy, assume they would work for apps too Aug 18 18:36:05 ah didn't know webOS has built in proxy support Aug 18 18:36:40 hullo Aug 18 18:36:47 bughi1980: Hi Aug 18 18:37:22 bughi1980: We're on Nizon's SSL / TLS solution - a squid proxy in webOS. Aug 18 18:37:36 yep, I read the whole posts Aug 18 18:38:17 Herrie's efforts were a straight update without changing the API requests. Aug 18 18:38:57 I wonder whether there are other embedded systems with the same problem Aug 18 18:39:14 and there would already be a wrapper or something Aug 18 18:39:21 My usual question is, "Can we use webOS OSE?" Or is it too different from legacy Aug 18 18:39:24 ? Aug 18 18:39:53 parts of OSE of course - not the whole thing Aug 18 18:40:05 don't find anything though Aug 18 18:41:08 maemo/meego should have the same problem i think Aug 18 18:41:22 do websites that currently fail require TLS 1.1 or 1.2? Aug 18 18:41:40 I haven't checked it yet, I just see that a lot of websites fail with code 2035(?) in the browser Aug 18 18:41:42 nizovn: Are those still developed? Is it sailfish now? Aug 18 18:42:17 pcworld: yes, require tls1.2 Aug 18 18:42:56 if I read it correctly TLS 1.1 and 1.2 were introduced in the same openssl version anyway? https://stackoverflow.com/a/50863133/1543768 Aug 18 18:43:01 Preemptive: webOS OSE won't help for openssl update, lunasysmgr has changed Aug 18 18:43:20 nizovn: Understood. Aug 18 18:44:55 Preemptive: maybe they have some community solution already Aug 18 18:46:04 pcworld: seems so Aug 18 18:46:17 what about optware ? Aug 18 18:47:29 I've just got to be away for 5 mins... Aug 18 18:47:55 if optware have recent versions of openssl and squid, i think it should work Aug 18 18:48:42 I suppose you could link qupzilla more easily to a recent openssl version? Aug 18 18:48:51 if it isn't already Aug 18 18:49:12 yup, qt browsers use newer openssl Aug 18 18:49:34 ok then nevermind Aug 18 18:50:33 if we're still pointing at the unstable, I'm afraid is frozen at 2012 Aug 18 18:52:53 dkirker on the second page, "I identified a few of the structures that I need to re-arrange" -> would be useful to know which ones, if someone else needs to pick up the task Aug 18 18:53:14 but squid proxy sounds much more feasible Aug 18 18:54:24 this optware version seems to have openssl 1.0.2n and squid 3.5 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/optware-ng/buildroot-armeabi-ng/Packages.html Aug 18 18:54:52 \me is back Aug 18 18:55:01 I never get that right! Aug 18 18:55:10 nizovn: building openssl doesn't seem to be much of a problem, as Herrie already posted a build here: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-discussion-lounge/332279-end-support-tls-1-0-1-1-problem-2.html#post3455117 Aug 18 18:55:12 * Preemptive is back Aug 18 18:55:53 pcworld: Yes, it seems to be the linking in the rest of the system due to the changed API. Aug 18 18:55:56 though I suppose squid will only serve as an HTTP proxy, and can't do unwrapping/wrapping of TLS directly (which would be needed e.g. for email)? Aug 18 18:56:49 pcworld: https://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/SslBump Aug 18 18:57:24 first result I found https://github.com/sonertari/SSLproxy Aug 18 18:57:27 it was dkirker idea to use squid, and he got it working, but on separate device, not webOS Aug 18 18:57:37 nizovn: does that work without http? Aug 18 18:58:43 but I kinda doubt that email applications etc. in webOS support proxies (except if one were to use transparent proxy somehow) Aug 18 18:59:10 but being able to use the browser again would be sufficient for me Aug 18 18:59:30 not sure Aug 18 19:02:26 i think dkirker squid setup was bumping tls1.0 to tls1.2 Aug 18 19:04:46 No email would probably force me off webOS. I'm wondering if an internal proxy would be OK though. If it's on the same device, it's not necessarily a remote access problem. Might need some tweaking of the email app... I'm only guessing here. Aug 18 19:06:42 mojomail is opensourced, and we can relink it with newer openssl Aug 18 19:07:09 i think email should be fine Aug 18 19:07:31 cool mojomail seems to contain the native parts too Aug 18 19:08:20 nizovn: Good news! Aug 18 19:10:58 Just to note: We have been going for 2 hours. We are usually done by now, but this project is clearly important. I can stick around for another hour. Aug 18 19:11:56 nizovn: Is there more to add to the discussion? Is there any help you need on this? Aug 18 19:11:56 I don't have anything to add, I was just curious about the state of things Aug 18 19:12:15 pcworld: Do you want to get involved? ;-) Aug 18 19:13:01 don't have much time currently unfortunately. Aug 18 19:14:02 maybe in 2-3 months I could have a look if no one else finds a solution and if I'm bored ;) Aug 18 19:14:23 pcworld: we would like to see your qt clipboard plugin btw :) Aug 18 19:15:00 That sounds interesting... Aug 18 19:16:11 nizovn: right I wanted to post my patches to your qt port and my telegram-desktop port. I wanted to make a build mechanism so it's easy and reproducibly built using a Docker container, but never got around to doing it. Aug 18 19:16:23 I can just dump the diff to qt if that helps Aug 18 19:17:05 I could also post my telegram-desktop sources, but it would take people many hours to figure out how to build (my build commands / scripts are probably scattered among multiple files) Aug 18 19:17:18 it would help i think Aug 18 19:17:47 but I'm using the telegram-desktop port with your (patched) Qt daily, works pretty nice and allows me to have a modern messenger on webOS Aug 18 19:18:19 pcworld: btw we have qt5-webos-sdk, it may help with building Aug 18 19:18:37 https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/332182-qt5-webos-sdk.html Aug 18 19:19:10 nice, didn't see that Aug 18 19:19:35 I just made my own build environment somehow back then Aug 18 19:20:23 I also needed a new toolchain for updated libc, ld etc. because telegram-desktop uses newer C++ features Aug 18 19:20:40 So would this integrate Qt browser into the clipboard or is it Qt5 only? I mean could we cut and paste to and from the new browsers? Aug 18 19:21:09 is there a browser other than qupzilla now? Aug 18 19:21:13 I mean integrate with the webOS clipboard Aug 18 19:21:18 didn't follow webOS for the last year or so Aug 18 19:21:34 qupzilla on TP. Qt Browser on Pre3 Aug 18 19:21:45 yes my patch completely integrates with webOS clipboard, works without issues for me (when run as root) Aug 18 19:21:56 pcworld: Nice! Aug 18 19:21:58 I only remember there was qupzilla for the Pre 3 Aug 18 19:22:28 trying to find it, I have dozens of directories/files in the directory I put qt5/telegram-desktop stuff in Aug 18 19:22:48 https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/332183-qt-webbrowser.html Aug 18 19:23:05 qupzilla and qt browser should work on both TP and pre3 :P Aug 18 19:24:07 but qt browser is better for pre3 as it's faster due to hw rendering and have touch ui, qupzilla is move advanced, good for TP Aug 18 19:24:59 cool, need to try it Aug 18 19:25:14 did you move away from your qt5-qpa-webos-plugin repo? Aug 18 19:25:58 ah yes, moved to gitlab https://gitlab.com/nizovn/qt5-qpa-webos-plugin Aug 18 19:27:10 pcworld: Would you like me to add the Qt5 Clipboard plugin to the project list? Aug 18 19:28:03 I'm just collecting the diffs Aug 18 19:30:55 will post later, feel free to move on with the agenda Preemptive Aug 18 19:32:46 pcworld: OK. I don't see a thread on the forum. If there is one or you make one, I will link to it. I'll add the Qt clipboard to the project list for now (it will be under the summary of this meeting). Aug 18 19:33:05 I think I can save some time... Aug 18 19:33:12 5. Discussion of other items. Aug 18 19:33:18 5.1. Device back up options http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/331801-options-automated-device-backup-webos-user-group.html#post3451423 No updates. Aug 18 19:33:28 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html No updates. Aug 18 19:33:38 5.2.1. Does the VPN app need an update? https://forums.webosnation.com/open-webos-general-discussion/332302-vpn-hp-webos.html#post3454594 No updates. Aug 18 19:34:04 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/ Aug 18 19:34:19 New release last month: https://www.webosose.org/blog/2019/07/30/6th-release-in-2019/ Aug 18 19:34:49 Does anyone want to add to 5.3 (or any of the above items)? Aug 18 19:36:21 5.4. http rendering proxy https://forums.webosnation.com/general-news-discussion/332470-web-rendering-proxy.html No updates. Aug 18 19:36:33 6. Priority Project Selection. Aug 18 19:37:29 I propose that as we are looking for a TLS update solution, that we make Nizovn#s proxy project a priority along with dkirker's project. Aug 18 19:37:47 *Nizovn's Aug 18 19:38:23 As before, this is simply to highlight the project and attract any help or support we can. Aug 18 19:38:49 agreed Aug 18 19:39:21 Does everyone else agree? Aug 18 19:40:28 agree Aug 18 19:40:53 OK, that's 3 out of 5 here, so we'll do that. Aug 18 19:41:05 7. Any other business. Aug 18 19:42:39 8. Date of next meeting. Aug 18 19:43:02 Sunday dates in September are: 1 8 15 22 29 Aug 18 19:44:01 I think 29th is out for me. Aug 18 19:45:25 It's all a bit tricky. Does any one want to go with an early date? I know it doesn't leave much time to get things done.. Aug 18 19:46:40 any date is ok for me Aug 18 19:47:12 I'm participating about once per year, so... ;) Aug 18 19:48:08 I'm more confident about the 8th than later dates. Nothing definite, but I know I will be busy. Is the 8th OK? Aug 18 19:49:43 ok Aug 18 19:50:53 All right, I'll go with the 8th if there are no objections from anyone else. Aug 18 19:51:14 8th September 2019 1700GMT Aug 18 19:52:47 Thanks for attending everyone! I always expect these meetings to be a bit dead, but each one has good news in it. The TLS proxy and the Qt clipboard are both exciting developments. Aug 18 19:53:36 Hopefully there will be more developments in the short time between now and the 8th. Aug 18 19:54:56 nizovn: Thanks again for the hard work! Aug 18 19:55:12 pcworld: Thanks for the useful input today. Aug 18 19:55:41 bye! Aug 18 19:55:52 bughi1980: If you're still here - good suggestions. Aug 18 19:55:54 just checking the webOS community is still alive every now and then :) Aug 18 19:56:01 nizovn: Bye! Aug 18 19:56:17 pcworld: We are - just about! Aug 18 19:56:58 Herrie: Catch you on the forums. I hope the new LuneOS release is going OK. Aug 18 20:06:31 nizovn: part of my patches was this https://pastebin.com/ADD8nQdP, seems you already fixed that in eacc37261bdfd01b3b9ffec2530a37e21bf6fb50, though the other way round (changing the condition)? Aug 18 20:13:23 oops yes Aug 18 20:15:16 lately I'm here but easily dragged away :( Aug 18 20:18:41 elvispre: Hi. I'm afraid we've finished. http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos.txt Aug 18 20:21:14 nizovn: It seems in the same commit you made fixes regarding focus/popup handling. I made a fix too regarding focus, I have no idea if it's still needed with your patch. Aug 18 20:21:40 I'll just make it part of a merge request and if either of us finds time we can try it out. Aug 18 20:23:57 ok, there are still some focus issues in qupzilla sometimes... Aug 18 20:24:36 not sure if my fix was correct either, but it fixed focus in telegram-desktop (I think before my fix it didn't react on any touch input at all) Aug 18 20:53:37 nizovn: I opened merge requests on https://gitlab.com/nizovn/qt5-qpa-webos-plugin/merge_requests. I rebased them on the current master and cleaned them up, but didn't test them or even try to compile them again. So it's possible that they don't compile. Aug 18 21:03:50 pcworld: wow, thanks a lot! i'll see **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 18 22:17:39 2019 Aug 18 22:26:37 btw. Is there a working maps application for webOS, since the (really good) Google Maps app from Preware is dead (old API)? Aug 18 23:00:16 pcworld: It's not so much the API as the new license. https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable-3.html#post3455891 Aug 18 23:02:34 Individual requests might not be enough to trigger charges, but that means every user would have to get their own developer key and patch it into their instance of the app - which is unrealistic. The other option is to patch / plugin other services such as mozilla. Aug 18 23:03:18 You can use the new browsers to access maps.google.com Aug 18 23:05:13 For clarity: Any developer updating the Google maps app tot he new API using their developer key risks having users generate enough requests that the developer has to pay Google. Aug 18 23:05:24 *to the Aug 18 23:09:31 so does the modified version of George Mari still work when you change the user agent? There isn't any feedback about that https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/332264-mojo-maps-google-new-2018-a.html#post3455682 Aug 18 23:10:29 I've just installed QtBrowser on my Pre3, seems to work a lot better than qupzilla, but still somewhat slow Aug 18 23:10:44 do these Qt apps work better on the Pre2 since it has more RAM? Aug 18 23:11:36 I don't understand how HP could cripple the RAM of the Pre3 so much, the device often even gets quite slow after opening a few normal apps Aug 19 00:17:17 pcworld: I do not know about the updated maps app as I didn't bother signing up for a dev account with Google and giving them my CC number (I'm not a dev). I doubt anyone aside from developers have bothered trying. You could always post the question on the thread. Aug 19 00:20:25 I guess entering the key via the prefs is easy, UA string change is probably OK for users who are used to patching and tweaking. But it's then another step to get a dev key and all that involves. There is also the possibility that step 2 violates the dev agreement and that Google might be able to detect the spoofing in some way. Aug 19 00:20:48 yeah I probably don't want to get a key anyway if that requires CC Aug 19 00:21:47 It's easier just to use the browser. Spoofing a browser request was one possibiliy suggested, but apparently that can't work for the location service (though I assumed all requests would be via http, so be a web request.) Aug 19 00:22:00 do you use the browser on Pre 3 or 2? Aug 19 00:22:09 Pre3 Aug 19 00:22:46 I'm almost thinking about trying the Pre2 again because it has more RAM Aug 19 00:23:30 Yes, they can't charge you volume request fees without a CC..., so no key without it I guess. Aug 19 00:23:36 my Pre 3 is a little bit dying too, e.g. sometimes the speaker does not work (I suppose the slider connection has a loose contact) Aug 19 00:27:17 I think the Pre2 is perfectly viable. Mine has a battery drain issue, which I suspect is a SW bug. I never get around to doctoring, but I should. Though both phones are on 2.2.4, I think there are some recent fixes that don't work on it, but that may just be because the few who are left are using Pre3s and haven't built /tested for the Pre2. Aug 19 00:32:29 It's late for me, so I'll say goodnight. Maybe I'll see you on the forums or at the next meeting. If you go back to the Pre2, let us know how it goes. Aug 19 00:32:46 thanks, have a good night :) Aug 19 00:33:04 Bye. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 19 02:59:57 2019