**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 13 02:59:57 2019 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 13 07:00:45 2019 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 13 11:08:19 2019 Oct 13 16:12:23 Hi all. Here's an agenda: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-10.html#post3456184 Oct 13 17:00:54 hello Oct 13 17:03:41 God Morning! Oct 13 17:03:52 I mean, good morning! Oct 13 17:04:33 Here is the link to the agenda:https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-users-online-meet-up-10.html#post3456184 Oct 13 17:04:40 It's much the same as last time Oct 13 17:05:00 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees. Oct 13 17:05:19 Give us a webOS-related bio if you are new here Oct 13 17:07:15 nizovn: Hmm... Looks like just two of us are starting again then Oct 13 17:07:57 seems so Oct 13 17:08:22 Unless anyone stops me, I'm skipping... Oct 13 17:08:29 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group. Oct 13 17:08:36 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts. Oct 13 17:08:57 Moving onto Progress reports Oct 13 17:09:10 4. Progress reports. Oct 13 17:09:17 4.1 TLS Fixes & Work-arounds Oct 13 17:09:37 No dkirker, so skipping... Oct 13 17:09:40 4.1.1 Priority Project: Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2. (dkirker) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-discussion-lounge/332279-end-support-tls-1-0-1-1-problem.html Oct 13 17:09:48 4.1.2 Priority Project: Squid SSL Bump. (Nizovn) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/332506-squid-ssl-bump.html Oct 13 17:10:06 nizovn: And we can get straight onto your project! Oct 13 17:10:39 no progress from me today, was busy... Oct 13 17:12:45 nizovn: OK. The app seems to be working OK after a few issues were reported. Oct 13 17:13:04 nizovn: Did you try Herrie's update of the proxy switcher app? Oct 13 17:13:18 not yet Oct 13 17:14:23 I've been really busy too. It has just slowed down, so I hope to get some other things done now, but this will probably be a short meeting! Oct 13 17:15:09 4.2. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331796-webos-internals-meta-doctor-2017-a.html#post3451411 Oct 13 17:15:33 bbito isn't here and I guess Herrie is busy, so I'm skipping this. Oct 13 17:16:35 4.3. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html Oct 13 17:16:55 There was no update from bughi1980 last time... Oct 13 17:17:05 bughi1980: Are you here? Oct 13 17:17:59 We can always jump back if people come on line later. Oct 13 17:18:10 4.4. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually. (novaldex, Herrie) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982 Oct 13 17:19:30 I've seen no new patches posted. I can try to search for more. Getting the current list added to the feed is the other part and I think that can wait until Herrie is free. He is busy with the next LuneOS release. Oct 13 17:19:54 4.5. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS, git.webos-internals.org & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). (All members in the sub-sections) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/331800-documentation-management-thread-webos-user-group.html Oct 13 17:21:18 Jonwise80 posted a new domain name for the master archive he has on github. www.webosarchive.com Oct 13 17:22:10 I don't think there have been any additions of material, so I will skip the rest. Oct 13 17:22:58 Oh, except this one: Oct 13 17:23:06 4.5.3. On device Help System. Oct 13 17:23:51 I'm surprised there's no link on that one. I'll have to check and make a thread if there is not one. Oct 13 17:25:54 Here is the thread: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/332507-fixing-device-help-system.html#post3456047 Oct 13 17:28:47 The general opinion last time was that the app selected help files using a JSON or something, so there was not necessarily any dynamic content on the server side. So a simple host file fix (or in the app) might enable access to rehosted content. Oct 13 17:30:24 I emailed Sumi who is open to testing using the help files hosted at Palm.si . the plan was to make a simple test - perhaps with a home page or section header pages, then proceed with all the files if it was successful. Oct 13 17:30:37 I don't know if anything has happened with that. Oct 13 17:30:59 Moving on... Oct 13 17:31:10 4.6. App Store Specification. (Preemptive + others) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/329621-making-another-app-store.html#post3453768 Oct 13 17:31:15 No progress here. Oct 13 17:31:23 4.6.1 webOS Nation App Gallery Submission And Access. (Preemptive) https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/332000-app-gallery-issue-reporting-thread.html Oct 13 17:31:27 No progress Oct 13 17:31:43 4.7 LuneOS testing protocol. (Preemptive / others) https://forums.webosnation.com/luneos/332396-luneos-testing-protocol.html#post3455344 Oct 13 17:33:06 Nothing new here, but hopefully this protocol will soon be used with a new LuneOS release and users may have suggestions after that. I can check to see if webOS ports version has any additions and bump the thread Oct 13 17:33:58 Release should be out this week hopefully Oct 13 17:34:38 No update on Doctors or patches bits Oct 13 17:35:20 Herrie: Hello. Thanks for dropping in. Oct 13 17:35:32 4.8 Qt Clipboard Plugin. (pcworld, nizovn) Oct 13 17:36:00 pcworld: Are you here? Oct 13 17:36:33 nizovn: I think you were planning to integrate this. Any updates? Oct 13 17:37:05 yes, was planning, but no updates Oct 13 17:37:10 OK. Oct 13 17:37:17 5. Discussion of other items. Oct 13 17:37:27 5.1. Device back up options. http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/331801-options-automated-device-backup-webos-user-group.html#post3451423 Oct 13 17:37:39 I don't think there are any updates. Oct 13 17:37:48 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html Oct 13 17:38:01 No new threats or mitigations I think. Oct 13 17:38:18 5.2.1. Does the VPN app need an update? https://forums.webosnation.com/open-webos-general-discussion/332302-vpn-hp-webos.html#post3454594 Oct 13 17:39:12 Is there anything to be said on this now that we have the SSL Bump? Will this enable VPN use or at least allow a greater range of services? Oct 13 17:40:46 don't know, i've never worked with VPN Oct 13 17:41:38 Preemptive: I'm here, but I haven't done anything on it, I think nizovn wanted to integrate it Oct 13 17:42:48 nizovn: I'm fuzzy on this also. I think it was a question of VPN sevices improving their security, leaving webOS behind, but with your update, VPN services may be available again, but there maybe more to the connection process (updating or creating apps). I'm not sure. We can return to this next month Oct 13 17:43:07 pcworld: Hello & thanks for the update. Oct 13 17:43:32 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/ Oct 13 17:43:47 Does anyone have any news on this? Oct 13 17:46:36 Found this: https://www.webosose.org/blog/2019/09/23/webos-ose-1-10-1-release-and-intermediate-branch/ Oct 13 17:47:28 The next release plans to target the Raspberry Pi 4. Oct 13 17:48:36 They really seem to be pushing Automotive: https://www.webosose.org/blog/2019/09/09/microsoft-introducing-webos-auto-as-one-of-key-global-partners/ Oct 13 17:49:55 hm microsoft :( Oct 13 17:50:03 Interesting that MS are partnering with LG webOS rather than trying to offer a form of windows. Oct 13 17:50:57 Looks like MS are interested in supplying the cloud back end Oct 13 17:52:50 VPN would need updated plugin probably Oct 13 17:53:32 Herrie: I'll make a note and we can look into it further on the thread. Oct 13 17:53:33 RPi 4 we'd try to add @ LuneOS as well, just like PinePhone and maybe maybe PineTab Oct 13 17:54:13 Herrie: Sounds good. Item 5.5. is coming up... ;-) Oct 13 17:54:48 I'm going to skip 5.4 as it seems to be at proof of concept stage and not very usable. Oct 13 17:55:04 5.5. Possible LuneOS "radar". Oct 13 17:55:11 Well I ordered a Unihertz Titan which is pretty closed but more open Vs Blackberry Oct 13 17:55:18 Might try a port Oct 13 17:55:36 Won't be easy though due to MediaTek. Oct 13 17:56:24 I suggested this last month when we had a two year review of sorts. Should the User Group start considering ways to transition / bridge to LuneOS? Oct 13 17:57:05 In terms of radar: well OSE further integration. Added features, Bugfixes, Support for Android 8/9/10 targets through Halium and mainline kernels (from PostMarketOS for example) for devices such as Nexus 5, TouchPad maybe as well Oct 13 17:57:40 It's quite a vague idea, but it would basically be about tracking two items: 1. Is the software ready for daily use and 2. What hardware works or might be recommended for use. Oct 13 17:58:15 We're getting into recent shape, no way near to daily driver, but I'm tempted to have a LuneOS phone be my 2nd phone instead of my Veer so I can test things more. Oct 13 17:58:30 V.s. Unit testing that's happening now Oct 13 17:58:33 Herrie: Yes, we are not really there yet (unless the next release is going to be REALLY big news) Oct 13 17:59:12 Obviously, it would mainly be tracking what webOS Ports were doing. Oct 13 17:59:32 In terms of progress it's usually 1 step backwards, 2 forwards. With this release we might actually have taken 2 steps backwards and 1 forward but in long run it will help Oct 13 18:01:21 Herrie: The on device help might be one example where if we can get it working again, it can also be extended to LuneOS - just build an app and add files to the new domain. Oct 13 18:01:32 Yup Oct 13 18:02:00 There are other things that just need a lot of TLC but functionality is there Oct 13 18:02:14 Just our resources are the problem to be honest Oct 13 18:02:44 Too much happening around and hard for us to keep up & add new functionality at the same time Oct 13 18:04:06 Do you think webOS ports will eventually recommend a device (or devices)? The UG might do that as a transition thing - like what is nearest to a Pre (if there is such a thing! Oct 13 18:04:40 At the moment, it might be the Xiaomi, possibly the Pinephone soon. Oct 13 18:07:22 It's very likely too soon to worry much about a transition project, but maybe I'll leave this item on the discussion agenda. Oct 13 18:07:49 Moving on... Oct 13 18:08:02 6. Priority Project Selection. Oct 13 18:09:10 nizovn: Do you want the SSL bump to remain as a priority or are you happy with it as it is? I don't know if you consider it completed. Oct 13 18:11:26 not sure for now, i will try to see why some apps don't work with it, but maybe it's proxy app issue Oct 13 18:12:16 OK. I'll leave everything unchanged for now. Oct 13 18:12:24 7. Any other business. Oct 13 18:13:54 I have just thought of something which relates to what Herrie was saying. I wonder if there's anythng we can do to publicise LuneOS and attract more developers? It won't be an easy thing to do, but perhaps we can discuss some ideas at the next meeting. Oct 13 18:15:57 I'll add it to the next agenda to discuss. Oct 13 18:16:08 8. Date of next meeting. Oct 13 18:16:23 Sundays in November are: 3rd, 10th, 17th, 24th November Oct 13 18:18:48 I have no real preference Oct 13 18:18:49 anything but 17th is ok for me Oct 13 18:18:55 10th? Oct 13 18:18:59 ok Oct 13 18:19:51 The 3rd is probably too soon. Does anyone prefer the 24th? Oct 13 18:23:13 OK. 10th November 2019 1700GMT. Last chance to object..... Oct 13 18:24:30 OK. Great. Not much reported this month, but especially with SSL bump I think we are in good shape. What I shall try to do now is focus on the little tests we need to do to progress the projects that aren't moving forward. I think there might be some easy wins in there or at least get a bit more focus on outstanding items. Oct 13 18:25:32 Thanks everyone for showing up and contributing. I'll now blow the dust off the old N4 and await the next LuneOS release! Oct 13 18:25:34 Preemptive: thanks Oct 13 18:25:50 nizovn: Thank You. Oct 13 18:26:24 bye! Oct 13 18:26:35 nizovn: Bye! Oct 13 18:26:52 Bye Oct 13 18:28:15 Herrie: Thanks for the updates - let me know if I need to do anything with pivotCE for the announcement. I think there's an image - maybe even a blank draft. I can't remember! ;-) Oct 13 18:28:49 Does anyone know on which logical volume stuff like emails, memos etc. are stored? Is it the store-mojodb volume or some other? Oct 13 18:29:21 Bye everybody. I'm signing out now. Oct 13 18:30:09 pcworld: Thanks for updating. I'm afraid I don't know the answer to your question. Oct 13 18:33:37 pcworld: i don't know either, but guess so Oct 13 18:48:54 my Pre3 reset because the db got full, even though I resized the store-mojodb before (https://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/MojoDB_Partition_Resize) Oct 13 18:49:15 I made a backup of the store-mojodb partition after it shut down, not sure if that was enough Oct 13 18:49:48 it's encrypted but iirc the same key persists across resets Oct 13 18:50:01 but there are other partitions I didn't back up :/ **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 13 20:06:25 2019 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 14 02:59:57 2019