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Dec 29 17:01:28 <Preemptive> Morning
Dec 29 17:01:29 <Preemptive> https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-11.html#post3456282
Dec 29 17:02:26 <Preemptive> 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
Dec 29 17:04:27 <Preemptive> Anyone here? Give a brief webOS-related biography if you're new.
Dec 29 17:04:43 <nizovn> morning
Dec 29 17:04:56 <Preemptive> nizovn: Hi there!
Dec 29 17:05:21 <Preemptive> nizovn: You're very reliable! ;-)
Dec 29 17:05:38 <nizovn> :)
Dec 29 17:09:25 <Preemptive> Hmmm... shell we just get on with it or wait for others?
Dec 29 17:09:34 <Preemptive> SHALL
Dec 29 17:11:48 <nizovn> maybe others are reading us, just not chatting
Dec 29 17:12:06 <nizovn> (i'm optimistic today)
Dec 29 17:12:08 <Preemptive> OK. We'll run through!
Dec 29 17:13:33 <Preemptive> 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group.
Dec 29 17:13:52 <Preemptive> I assume none!
Dec 29 17:13:55 <Preemptive> 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts.
Dec 29 17:14:04 <Preemptive> None!
Dec 29 17:14:12 <Preemptive> 4. Progress reports.
Dec 29 17:14:43 <Preemptive> 4.1 TLS Fixes & Work-arounds
Dec 29 17:14:47 <Preemptive> 4.1.1 Priority Project: Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2.  (dkirker) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-discussion-lounge/332279-end-support-tls-1-0-1-1-problem.html
Dec 29 17:15:24 <Preemptive> We have an update from dkirker, though he is unable to attend: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-11.html#post3456424
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Dec 29 17:15:42 <Preemptive> 12/29/2019, 07:13 AM #207   Report Post
Dec 29 17:15:44 <Preemptive>     Ok, so I won't be able to join as I will be out, but here's my update:
Dec 29 17:15:45 <Preemptive>     I got OpenSSL 1.0.2 compiled and working with minor tweaks. Good news is TLS 1.2 is supported. Getting OpenSSL 1.1.1 working would take more work. Will probably aim for that next.
Dec 29 17:15:47 <Preemptive>     The bad news... I am sure some other binaries are using OpenSSL in bad ways (directly accessing data in structures, putting structures on the stack or using them in ways which requires the structure size to be known by the user and not instead passing pointers). One of these happens to be Node... And the one structure it uses did increase between 0.9.8 and 1.0.*... So, I am in the process of upgrading Node so that this will work. So with any luck,
Dec 29 17:15:48 <Preemptive>  I'll be done with that soon (I have nodejs from Open webOS running, but I just need to update the webOS node modules).
Dec 29 17:15:50 <Preemptive>     Once I have that, I need to build the ipks so that others can install. And then I need to setup a clean(er) make system.
Dec 29 17:15:51 <Preemptive>     I'm looking at a merging a couple of projects (OpenSSL-Updater and the OpenSSL Certificate Updater) to streamline some of this.
Dec 29 17:15:53 <Preemptive>     -- Sent from my Palm Pre3 using Forums
Dec 29 17:16:12 <Preemptive> Oh, that went weird!
Dec 29 17:16:43 <Herrie> I'm half here
Dec 29 17:16:49 <Herrie> Recovering from a bad cold
Dec 29 17:17:16 <Preemptive> So some good news there. Hopefully something for the new year.
Dec 29 17:17:30 <Herrie> Not much in terms of updates except for that we've been fighting with various server issues recently
Dec 29 17:17:40 <Preemptive> Herrie: Hi. Sorry to hear you're not 100%
Dec 29 17:17:48 <Herrie> But wiki and servers got updated to latest versions
Dec 29 17:17:54 <Herrie> So that's an upside
Dec 29 17:18:38 <Preemptive> Herrie: That's good news!
Dec 29 17:19:05 <Preemptive> 4.1.2 Squid SSL Bump. (Nizovn) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/332506-squid-ssl-bump.html
Dec 29 17:19:24 <Herrie> Not much time for legacy stuff though webos-internals site was also updated as part of it
Dec 29 17:19:43 <Preemptive> nizovn: I guess there are no updates...?
Dec 29 17:20:01 <nizovn> true, no update
Dec 29 17:20:03 <Herrie> For LuneOS we're looking at LG's web runtime instead of qtwebengine and doing quite some cleanup.
Dec 29 17:20:32 <Herrie> Preparations for Halium 8.1/9.* On their way for newer porting targets
Dec 29 17:20:41 <Herrie> And PinePhone coming along nicely
Dec 29 17:20:46 <Preemptive> Herrie: Do you want us to jump to that item?
Dec 29 17:21:02 <Preemptive> We can do that if your time is short
Dec 29 17:21:18 <Herrie> Well that's all I have to share for the moment
Dec 29 17:21:21 <Herrie> Soon dinner time
Dec 29 17:21:44 <Preemptive> Well, there is one thing...
Dec 29 17:21:45 <Preemptive> 4.1.2 Squid SSL Bump. (Nizovn) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/332506-squid-ssl-bump.html
Dec 29 17:21:56 <Preemptive> Arrgh! wrong one!
Dec 29 17:22:29 <Preemptive> 4.2. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331796-webos-internals-meta-doctor-2017-a.html#post3451411
Dec 29 17:22:30 <bughi1980> oh
Dec 29 17:22:42 <bughi1980> I'm in time for part of it
Dec 29 17:22:44 <bughi1980> hellooooo
Dec 29 17:23:03 <Preemptive> bughi1980: We've only just started really
Dec 29 17:23:15 <Herrie> That one is on my to-do still
Dec 29 17:23:22 <Herrie> Just things keep getting in between
Dec 29 17:23:32 <Preemptive> Herrie: Is there any chance for some makefile progress in 2020?
Dec 29 17:23:39 <bughi1980> doh, in this case good timing, I was just eating for the last 5 hours
Dec 29 17:24:02 <Preemptive> I tried some reading up on it, but no time to get into it yet - and I'm a complete noob!
Dec 29 17:24:09 <Herrie> Yeah there should be
Dec 29 17:24:31 <Herrie> I should put it up on my prio list just
Dec 29 17:25:21 <Preemptive> Herrie: Great! I think it's the one big thing that can help if we crack it - almost everything else can be added in if you and bbito can sort out the makefile problem
Dec 29 17:26:22 <Preemptive> Anything to add here or can we move on?
Dec 29 17:27:47 <Preemptive> moving on to...
Dec 29 17:27:50 <Preemptive> 4.3. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html
Dec 29 17:28:01 <bughi1980> nothing from me
Dec 29 17:28:57 <Preemptive> bughi1980: OK. moving on.
Dec 29 17:29:15 <Preemptive> 4.4. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually. (novaldex, Herrie) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982
Dec 29 17:30:03 <Preemptive> I probably need to push this more on the forum. Patches can be added manually. Getting them listed is what's needed.
Dec 29 17:30:19 <bughi1980> listed and collected in a single place
Dec 29 17:30:32 <bughi1980> but a feed would be even simpler maybe
Dec 29 17:30:53 <bughi1980> (a new feed vs the broken one)
Dec 29 17:32:00 <Preemptive> bughi1980: Well, that's the plan, but there is a manual system in place. Here is the listing thread: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/332473-patch-portal-updates-post-patch-information-here.html
Dec 29 17:33:28 <Preemptive> Perhaps we need a list of what's already there. I'm not sure. I've listed patches that date since the original loss of the portal
Dec 29 17:34:34 <Preemptive> A process is in place. Let's move to the next item.
Dec 29 17:34:45 <Preemptive> 4.5. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS, git.webos-internals.org & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). (All members in the sub-sections) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/331800-documentation-management-thread-webos-user-group.html
Dec 29 17:35:24 <Preemptive> I think I'm going to skip this as I don't think there's anything new.
Dec 29 17:36:27 <Preemptive> except...
Dec 29 17:36:28 <Preemptive> 4.5.4. Old domains associated with webOS. (Preemptive)
Dec 29 17:37:13 <Preemptive> I got a reminder to renew http://www.iswebosdeadyet.com/
Dec 29 17:37:54 <Preemptive> I got it when it expired and pointed it at pivotCE, but it doesn't seem to be redirecting properly now.
Dec 29 17:38:52 <Preemptive> As this was a fairly obscure, one page site, I'm tempted to abandon it rather than pay the fee. It just listed a few projects.
Dec 29 17:39:55 <bughi1980> oh, you remember which ones ?
Dec 29 17:41:05 <Preemptive> bughi1980: I can even find the page it was supposed to direct to. It would have been Open webOS and similar - nothing obscure
Dec 29 17:41:40 <bughi1980> ahhh ok
Dec 29 17:44:02 <Preemptive> weboscenter.com isn't working either!
Dec 29 17:44:17 <Preemptive> https://pivotce.com/2016/11/17/webos-center-gone-but-not-forgotten/#more-3913
Dec 29 17:45:21 <Preemptive> I'll look into it. But are there any thoughts? Shall I drop this domain?
Dec 29 17:46:18 <bughi1980> the deadyet ? personally speaking if it was just redirecting to other "known" projects, would not be a loss
Dec 29 17:47:11 <bughi1980> unless using it to relaunch webos as a redirect to lune maybe ?
Dec 29 17:47:32 <Preemptive> I mean, aside from LuneOS, there's all the LG stuff. Legacy may be on it's last legs, but webOS is actually going strong - far more used than when it was on phones if you think about it
Dec 29 17:48:19 <Preemptive> one moment...
Dec 29 17:48:40 <bughi1980> mmm no clue how many phones were ever sold ( pre + pre 2 and such , not the pre3/veer )
Dec 29 17:49:26 <Preemptive> https://web.archive.org/web/20130926080800/http://www.iswebosdeadyet.com/
Dec 29 17:51:12 <Preemptive> the four links are to 2 news stories about the 2012 open-sourcing, the palm dev site (now gone) and enyo.js (now replaced by enact)
Dec 29 17:51:37 <bughi1980> definitely not a site that has value
Dec 29 17:51:43 <Preemptive> There wasn't a lot to it
Dec 29 17:51:48 <bughi1980> yep
Dec 29 17:52:26 <Preemptive> No. I think I'll drop it and even if that's a bad idea, I expect we can reregister in future - who else would want it?
Dec 29 17:52:53 <bughi1980> ah... I'm not going to try to answer that. The world is full of weird things :P
Dec 29 17:53:39 <Preemptive> The original plan was that it was cheap old bookmarks might get clicked - making a good lead to pivotCE. But anyone left is either a die-hard or doesn't care!
Dec 29 17:54:01 <bughi1980> jokingly I could answer : samsung, to poke and annoy lg saying that webos ( tvs ) is on its last leg
Dec 29 17:54:49 <pcworld> I've had a domain parker buy a (previously non-registered) domain which didn't make any sense and which I had jokingly linked on reddit before
Dec 29 17:55:16 <Preemptive> pcworld: So you think keep it?
Dec 29 17:55:27 <Herrie> If the costs are the issue I'm happy to take it over
Dec 29 17:55:49 <pcworld> nah, just responding to your question "who else would want it?" ;) (and hello btw)
Dec 29 17:57:57 <Preemptive> Herrie: It's not breaking the bank, but it's not doing anything... at all (if it's not redirecting properly). You are welcome to take it if you have a use for it
Dec 29 17:59:38 <Herrie> No use just to prevent domain snatchers from getting it
Dec 29 18:00:02 <Preemptive> it seems it's the equivalent of 15.4405EUR annually for me. I'll contact you to arrange transfer.
Dec 29 18:01:49 <Preemptive> One possibility for webOScenter.com could be for an app catalog...?
Dec 29 18:02:01 <Preemptive> 4.6. App Store Specification. (Preemptive + others) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/329621-making-another-app-store.html#post3453768
Dec 29 18:02:34 <Preemptive> No progress on that, I'm afraid.
Dec 29 18:03:09 <Preemptive> 4.6.1 webOS Nation App Gallery Submission And Access. (Preemptive) https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/332000-app-gallery-issue-reporting-thread.html
Dec 29 18:04:06 <Preemptive> And the old app gallery will have to be something for the new year. I think we are moving to a point where we might ask for the apps as that site probably isn't going to get fixed.
Dec 29 18:04:46 <Preemptive> Any comments? Or I can move on.
Dec 29 18:04:52 <bughi1980> no clear answers from the site owners ?
Dec 29 18:06:17 <Preemptive> I'll give it another try. I think Dieter Bohn wrote the original code (and got asked when lurking here one time). He recommend asking Derek Kessler, but I don't think i got a reply.
Dec 29 18:07:31 <Preemptive> I think helloNNNewman may ave passed on concerns, but given the number of site visitors, we must be on the bottom of the back up to do list
Dec 29 18:08:35 <Preemptive> The thing is, that we need a clear plan before we rock the boat too much - and that will mean some kind of accessible repository
Dec 29 18:09:37 <Preemptive> I believe the apps can be downloaded with the right URLs, but there's no direct access on the site and I think dev can't log in or do anything anymore.
Dec 29 18:10:22 <Preemptive> I'll move on...
Dec 29 18:10:32 <Preemptive> 4.7 LuneOS testing protocol. (Preemptive / others) https://forums.webosnation.com/luneos/332396-luneos-testing-protocol.html#post3455344
Dec 29 18:11:19 <Preemptive> I think this is still basically a copy of the checks listed at webOS Internals by Tofe. I haven't even got around to testing myself yet!
Dec 29 18:12:41 <Preemptive> I don't think anyone's used it to report on the new release, but hopefully that's just Christmas getting in the way.
Dec 29 18:12:53 <Preemptive> moving on...
Dec 29 18:13:05 <Preemptive> 4.8 Qt Clipboard Plugin. (pcworld, nizovn)
Dec 29 18:13:40 <Preemptive> I'm betting nothing's happened on this yet...?
Dec 29 18:14:07 <nizovn> i've made progress making LS2 clipboard service, but it's not ready yet.
Dec 29 18:14:25 <nizovn> certainly will have some time next week
Dec 29 18:14:58 <Preemptive> Oh great! Progress is good! We can look forward to that at the next meeting!
Dec 29 18:16:20 <Preemptive> So that covers the progress reports.
Dec 29 18:16:22 <Preemptive> 5. Discussion of other items.
Dec 29 18:16:44 <Preemptive> 5.1. Device back up options. http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/331801-options-automated-device-backup-webos-user-group.html#post3451423
Dec 29 18:18:14 <Preemptive> I need to do some of this due to recent problems, so I hope I can have a report for next year, but nothing has been added to the threads.
Dec 29 18:19:07 <Preemptive> 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html
Dec 29 18:19:26 <Preemptive> Nothing new on the thread here either.
Dec 29 18:19:55 <Preemptive> 5.2.1. Does the VPN app need an update? https://forums.webosnation.com/open-webos-general-discussion/332302-vpn-hp-webos.html#post3454594
Dec 29 18:23:08 <Preemptive> Er... I think this first needed the TLS update. Maybe the squid bump will do? There was someone on the forums who mentioned getting a VPN working, but it may have been via a home network
Dec 29 18:23:27 <Preemptive> This may be of interest: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/12/how-to-set-up-your-own-nebula-mesh-vpn-step-by-step/
Dec 29 18:23:51 <Preemptive> Mesh VPN? Open-source.
Dec 29 18:24:22 <Preemptive> It's kind of beyond the original legacy function, so maybe more of a LuneOS option.
Dec 29 18:24:46 <Preemptive> We need to keep what we have going before 'stretch goals'.
Dec 29 18:25:47 <Preemptive> Here's that thread - installed on the router: https://forums.webosnation.com/off-topic-lounge/332543-need-help-selecting-vpn.html
Dec 29 18:26:52 <Preemptive> 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/
Dec 29 18:27:59 <Preemptive> Herrie's already said that LuneOS may adopt LG's web runtime over Qt webengine. I don't know enough about this stuff to really comment.
Dec 29 18:29:04 <Preemptive> Now at version 2.2.0: https://www.webosose.org/blog/2019/12/23/webos-ose-2-2-0-release/
Dec 29 18:30:16 <Preemptive> https://www.webosose.org/blog/2019/12/12/fota-in-webos-ose/
Dec 29 18:31:41 <Preemptive> 5.4. Possible LuneOS "radar".
Dec 29 18:32:06 <Preemptive> I don't think there's anything to add here since the last release.
Dec 29 18:32:50 <Preemptive> 6. Priority Project Selection.
Dec 29 18:34:36 <Preemptive> So as dkirker seems to have made progress, I guess we should keep that project a priority. There should only really be one, but if you have any comments, post them now!
Dec 29 18:35:27 <nizovn> agree
Dec 29 18:37:27 <Preemptive> 7. Any other business.
Dec 29 18:37:47 <Preemptive> Post if there's anything new or anything we've missed...
Dec 29 18:38:34 <Preemptive> 8. Date of next meeting.
Dec 29 18:38:48 <Preemptive> Sundays in January are: 5, 12, 19, 26
Dec 29 18:39:17 <Preemptive> I'm thinking 12 or 19... probably 19th
Dec 29 18:39:29 <Preemptive> Anyone else have a preference?
Dec 29 18:39:39 <nizovn> 19 seems ok
Dec 29 18:40:32 <Preemptive> OK. If there are no objections...
Dec 29 18:41:32 <Preemptive> 1700GMT on the 19th of January 2020
Dec 29 18:41:56 <Preemptive> That's it for 2019 and for the whole decade!
Dec 29 18:42:39 <Preemptive> Thanks to everyone who joined in. We got a few more updates than I was expecting.
Dec 29 18:43:16 <Preemptive> I have to dash off now, but I'll post the log link to the forum and write it up later.
Dec 29 18:44:30 <Preemptive> nizovn: Thanks!
Dec 29 18:45:00 <Preemptive> Herrie: I'll be in touch. Hope the cold is better soon.
Dec 29 18:45:26 <nizovn> congrats with coming New Year. bye!
Dec 29 18:45:31 <Preemptive> bughi1980: See you on the forums.
Dec 29 18:45:50 <Preemptive> pcworld: Thnks for popping in!
Dec 29 18:46:16 <Preemptive> Happy New year everybody! Have a good party!
Dec 29 18:46:21 <Preemptive> Bye!
Dec 29 18:50:02 <bughi1980> see you :)
Dec 29 18:50:12 <bughi1980> and happy new year
Dec 29 18:50:20 <pcworld> bye :)
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