**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 16 02:59:57 2020 Feb 16 17:07:11 hi Feb 16 17:32:04 Hi! Feb 16 17:32:19 Apologies for lateness - I was stuck in traffic. Feb 16 17:32:39 Please give me a minute Feb 16 17:35:10 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees. Feb 16 17:35:20 If anyone is still here... Feb 16 17:35:43 I'm going with an old agenda as i don't think anything's changed. Feb 16 17:38:43 ... Feb 16 17:39:30 Well, I'm here and people often appear later. I see some are online at least, so I'll just go through everything. Feb 16 17:40:28 Skipping 2 & 3 as usual Feb 16 17:40:40 4. Progress reports. Feb 16 17:40:48 4.1 TLS Fixes & Work-arounds Feb 16 17:41:12 4.1.1 Priority Project: Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2.(dkirker) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-discussion-lounge/332279-end-support-tls-1-0-1-1-problem.html Feb 16 17:46:11 dkirker seems to have made some progress. webOS Ports suggested the work be put on github in the hope of getting help with it. I hven't spotted any code after a quick look. The last update was in mid-january. Feb 16 17:46:48 4.1.2 Squid SSL Bump. (Nizovn) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/332506-squid-ssl-bump.html Feb 16 17:46:58 nizovn: Hi! Feb 16 17:48:09 I think this item is still considered done at the moment. I don't think there have been any recent updates, so it remains the solution for modern secure transport. Feb 16 17:49:12 Preemptive, hi. i think so. Feb 16 17:50:10 nizovn: Thanks. Feb 16 17:50:13 4.2. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331796-webos-internals-meta-doctor-2017-a.html#post3451411 Feb 16 17:51:12 I'm doubtful there has been an update. Neither Herrie or bbito are currently online. Feb 16 17:51:31 4.3. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html Feb 16 17:52:56 Misj was online when I arrived, but not now. If anyone can help diagnose his problem with the TP not connecting to the internet, I'm sure he will be grateful. Feb 16 17:53:10 I'm here :) Feb 16 17:53:12 Misj: Oh hi! You're back Feb 16 17:53:33 I was just mentioning: https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/332584-connected-wifi-but-no-internet.html Feb 16 17:53:39 I saw. Feb 16 17:54:09 Misj: Nothing on Location service? Feb 16 17:54:13 It's really a weird thing. But at least it's not a hardware failure. Feb 16 17:54:43 Misj: Yes, that's good. it may mean a visit to the doctor, but not the screwdriver... Feb 16 17:54:44 Ehm...no. I've been busy with some non-webos things lately (more work-related). So I really have to get back into thigs. Feb 16 17:54:46 this. Feb 16 17:55:22 4.4. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually. (novaldex, Herrie) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982 Feb 16 17:55:58 I think we're still at: It works if patches are manually added to the feed. Feb 16 17:56:47 4.5. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS, git.webos-internals.org & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). (All members in the sub-sections) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/331800-documentation-management-thread-webos-user-group.html Feb 16 17:57:19 I don't think this one saw anything added lately. Feb 16 17:57:26 (at least not that I'm aware of) Feb 16 17:57:26 I'm going to skip the whole section... Feb 16 17:57:54 4.6. App Store Specification. (Preemptive + others) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/329621-making-another-app-store.html#post3453768 Feb 16 17:58:48 Nothing here either... I wonder if the Pine phone is a bit of a success if that is a good time to push this forward..? Feb 16 18:00:42 There are a few H/W projects that are pitching themselves at the alternate OS groups. If hobbyists start getting devices and trying multiple OSes, a combined App store project might get some traction. Feb 16 18:01:11 "Contact Pine" might be a plan... Feb 16 18:01:41 4.6.1 webOS Nation App Gallery Submission And Access. (Preemptive) https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/332000-app-gallery-issue-reporting-thread.html Feb 16 18:01:48 Nothing new. Feb 16 18:02:18 4.7 LuneOS testing protocol. (Preemptive / others) https://forums.webosnation.com/luneos/332396-luneos-testing-protocol.html#post3455344 Feb 16 18:03:14 Nothing new here either, though there was a report about screen dimming on a TP. It might be worth adding some 'hardware handling' items. Feb 16 18:03:41 4.8 Qt Clipboard Plugin. (pcworld, nizovn) Feb 16 18:04:28 This is to enable Qt apps access to the webOS clipboard. nizovn is developing pcworld's project. Feb 16 18:05:25 so pcworld were merged and pushed into preware feed Feb 16 18:05:39 should work very well on pre3 (sym key as ctrl) Feb 16 18:05:55 ^^ pcworld's changes Feb 16 18:05:56 Wow! You completed it? Feb 16 18:06:11 yes Feb 16 18:06:18 If only my Pre3 wasn't dead... Feb 16 18:06:41 nizovn: Great news! Feb 16 18:07:24 nizovn: Did you post anything to the forum? Feb 16 18:07:51 i should have done it much earlier, only two liner changes were needed to rw clipboard access, but i realized it only after writing LS2 service Feb 16 18:08:03 Preemptive: no Feb 16 18:09:52 nizovn: I can do a thread with a quick announcement if you want. Once things like the new browsers can use the clipboard, that makes them even more useable. Feb 16 18:10:38 well for now it's usable only on pre3 Feb 16 18:11:38 TP will need working menus or special key for ctrl Feb 16 18:12:48 It's a start. Ah yes, menus. Feb 16 18:14:07 nizovn: You can of course do a thread (or add to an existing one) yourself. Would it be better if I put something on pivotCE? It's about time something was posted there. Feb 16 18:15:03 A general update on developments, Qt apps, browsers etc... Feb 16 18:15:10 i'm not sure if it's interesting enough Feb 16 18:16:08 Thanks to your efforts, we're close to having usable devices in 2020. I think that's interesting. Feb 16 18:16:12 but also i think some pivotCE activity is awaited Feb 16 18:18:01 nizovn: OK. I'll look into it. A few short ones might be better than a big update. I see someone has recently done an updated guide, so this would be a nice addition Feb 16 18:18:07 https://forums.webosnation.com/palm-pre-2/332581-zero-google-2020-step-step.html#post3456577 Feb 16 18:18:48 Preemptive: thanks Feb 16 18:19:11 Let's move on to... Feb 16 18:19:19 5. Discussion of other items. Feb 16 18:19:34 5.1. Device back up options. http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/331801-options-automated-device-backup-webos-user-group.html#post3451423 Feb 16 18:21:07 Again, on the back of the updated guide, I should look at this again. I'm hoping to have a little more free time coming up. Feb 16 18:21:27 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html Feb 16 18:22:47 I think we are OK here. It's doubtful that webOS can be considered properly 'secure' but there's no percentage in hacking a webOS phone! ;-) Feb 16 18:23:01 No new issues that I'm aware of. Feb 16 18:24:11 5.2.1. Does the VPN app need an update? https://forums.webosnation.com/open-webos-general-discussion/332302-vpn-hp-webos.html#post3454594 Feb 16 18:25:06 I think I saw a thread a few weeks back where someone asked aabout VPN and manage to get this working, but I'm not sure what the solution was. Feb 16 18:27:01 ...I can't find the thread Feb 16 18:30:50 I tried google, but the link is invalid. it may have been moved or deleted. Feb 16 18:31:03 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/ Feb 16 18:31:11 Any news from LG? Feb 16 18:36:17 not sure, seems there was 2.2.3 release after last meeting Feb 16 18:36:37 nizovn: Yes, I was just searching: https://www.webosose.org/blog/2020/01/23/webos-ose-2-3-0-release/ Feb 16 18:36:51 oops, yes 2.3.0 Feb 16 18:37:12 5.4. Possible LuneOS "radar". Feb 16 18:37:45 I forgot...what was this one about? Feb 16 18:38:12 There has not been a new release since November, though obvously development continues. I'm not aware of how things are. Feb 16 18:39:37 Misj: It's just a check on how LuneOS development is going with a view to transitioning to it - possibly adapting some of the projects here to add support. Feb 16 18:39:57 ah ok. Feb 16 18:41:52 Misj: An appstore would be the obvious thing - it's not really needed for legacy, though want we have are backups and partial services. A replacement app catalog will be useful, but not vital. LuneOS will need one. Feb 16 18:42:44 yes, that's true. And there should be at least some relevant apps (however you define that). Feb 16 18:45:37 Misj: Preware2 is a thing, but it's a conduit. To be anything more than a hobbyist thing and appstore will need maintenance, updates and maybe code checking. Admins and developers will likely need at least some money to justify such work, so a payment system will be needed. Feb 16 18:47:38 There's an opportunity to port some existing (enyo) apps or app from other systems. LuneOS has a browser, but there are nizovn's Qt ones also.. Feb 16 18:48:28 ...but I think LuneOS remains firmly in 'alpha' state. Feb 16 18:48:43 6. Priority Project Selection. Feb 16 18:49:08 I see no reason to change this. Anyone disagree? Feb 16 18:50:07 I agree Feb 16 18:52:03 7. Any other business. Feb 16 18:53:20 I'll take that as a, "no". Feb 16 18:53:38 8. Date of next meeting. Feb 16 18:54:05 There are 5 Sundays in March: 1, 8, 15, 22, 29 Feb 16 18:54:26 15 is in the middle and I think that works best for me. Feb 16 18:55:08 btw we may talk about youtube, fwiw, e.g. i don't know how to fix it Feb 16 18:55:08 I have no preference. 15th or 22nd seems most logical Feb 16 18:55:12 15 is of for me Feb 16 18:55:16 *ok Feb 16 18:55:47 nizovn: Yes, we can talk about Youtube if you want Feb 16 18:56:06 ...and we'll put the 15th as the day, 1700 GMT Feb 16 18:56:21 i'm just not sure what is it's current status Feb 16 18:56:27 nizovn: What is the issue? Feb 16 18:57:00 Is it transport encryption or video? Feb 16 18:57:03 ah yes, i meant lunetube stopped working Feb 16 18:57:28 nizovn: Yes, i don't understand what Google did to break it. Feb 16 18:58:12 Preemptive: don't know how it work Feb 16 18:58:24 https://forums.webosnation.com/luneos/330640-lunetube-luneos-youtube-client-app-13.html#post3456509 Feb 16 18:59:04 "Hi community, I have tried to fixit but is really hard because webOs browser has not the lastest features like modern browser. p.e, Some new types like Uint8array is not support on webOS that means youtube decryph need to be rewrite for old browser. I am trying to port ytdl-core for old browser, but need more time that I thought." Feb 16 18:59:59 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Uint8Array Feb 16 19:00:30 https://www.javascripture.com/Uint8Array Feb 16 19:00:40 that would imply that youtube is also not working on IE11 anymore... Feb 16 19:01:25 I'm assuming it is using a new feature in modern JS, not supported in Legacy webOS Feb 16 19:01:32 btw youtube does work in low quality if using mobile version: http://m.youtube.com/?persist_app=1&app=m Feb 16 19:01:36 so the first two steps to take are: 1. check if there is an IE11 version of the file (that would most likely also work on webOS). 2. Check if BabelJS can convert the file to ES5 Feb 16 19:02:08 http://www.youtube.com/?persist_app=1&app=desktop to return to desktop version Feb 16 19:02:30 but if IE10 already supports Uint8Array then I would expect webOS to also support it. Feb 16 19:02:48 Those are two useful answers. I can post those to the thread. Feb 16 19:04:13 Although I see that Safari started supporting it in 5.1; which is from 2010...Safari is always late to the web-game (it's on my top-1 spot for worst modern browser...for web-developers). Feb 16 19:04:29 i'm not sure missing Uint8array is the real issue, maybe it's just example, and the problem is much complex, because most probably there is polyfill for Uint8array support Feb 16 19:05:00 That's why I would first throw the file through BabelJS. Might not fix everything, but it also might. Feb 16 19:05:17 and as I said, if IE11 is supported than there should be no technical reason why webOS would not. Feb 16 19:05:59 (apart from the fact that Google is really bad at writing good Javascript...but that is my opinion) Feb 16 19:06:58 I know what an array is, but beyond that, I'm clueless. I'll post and point the dev to your replies. You can always expand on them yourselves if you want. Feb 16 19:07:05 Preemptive: i meant mobile youtube works in qt browsers, and video open in webOS player, so it's smooth, but very ugly Feb 16 19:07:48 nizovn: Understood. I will link to this log. Feb 16 19:11:28 Misj: just have a crazy idea about your wifi problem, maybe you have proxy forwarding enabled on your TP, with non-working proxy server Feb 16 19:12:47 nizovn: I can check...but it shouldn't be the case as I explicitly turned in on and off during one of my tests. But who knows...maybe it's still active somewhere in the background. I'll see if I can check that. Cheers! Feb 16 19:12:59 ok Feb 16 19:16:33 Thanks for coming everybody! Apologies again for being late. Feb 16 19:18:30 bye! Feb 16 19:18:42 bye Feb 16 20:28:35 need to setup my pre3 again and check the new qt in preware **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 17 02:59:57 2020