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Mar 21 17:12:03 <nizovn> hi
Mar 21 17:18:39 <Preemptive> Morning
Mar 21 17:19:05 <Preemptive> I'm afraid I need a few minutes to sort out - back in a bit
Mar 21 17:19:45 <nizovn> morning
Mar 21 17:20:14 <Herrie> Morning!
Mar 21 17:20:17 <Herrie> Here too
Mar 21 17:29:09 <Preemptive> OK. Sorry about that. Got in a couple of minutes late and then found the settings had not been stored
Mar 21 17:29:13 <Preemptive> 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
Mar 21 17:29:19 <Preemptive> I guess that's covered.
Mar 21 17:30:02 <Preemptive> As usual, skipping 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group. & 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts.
Mar 21 17:31:34 <Preemptive> 4. Progress reports.
Mar 21 17:31:52 <Preemptive> 4.1 TLS Fixes & Work-arounds
Mar 21 17:32:03 <Preemptive> 4.1.1 Priority Project: Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2. (dkirker)
Mar 21 17:32:08 <Preemptive> Nothing on that I guess
Mar 21 17:33:35 <Preemptive> 4.1.2. Squid Bump Service for retro device users https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/332704-new-option-accessing-modern-web-squid-bump-service-retro-device-users.html
Mar 21 17:34:55 <Preemptive> http://www.webosarchive.com/docs/proxysetup/]Using the webOS Archive Proxy - webOS Documentation
Mar 21 17:35:02 <Preemptive> No codepoet...
Mar 21 17:35:35 <Preemptive> 4.2. Updated meta-doctors http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331796-webos-internals-meta-doctor-2017-a.html#post3451411 (Herrie, bbito)
Mar 21 17:35:47 <Preemptive> I'm assuming nothing..?
Mar 21 17:36:09 <Preemptive> bughi1980: You here?
Mar 21 17:36:39 <Herrie> Sorry have dinner here
Mar 21 17:37:00 <Herrie> Not much updates from our side. Infra was down, but got fixed it seems due to dead disk controller
Mar 21 17:37:08 <Herrie> LuneOS still moving forward with Halium 9.0 migration
Mar 21 17:37:17 <Preemptive> Herrie: OK. Should we wait and start again in a while?
Mar 21 17:37:21 <Herrie> Now working on Tenderloin and Hammerhead
Mar 21 17:37:28 <Herrie> I don't have many other updates at the moment
Mar 21 17:37:58 <Preemptive> Herrie: I just saw that announcement on the disk controller - that's a quick fix!
Mar 21 17:38:24 <Herrie> Yeah was also surprised
Mar 21 17:38:39 <Preemptive> I don't mind waiting and coming back if everyone is happy to do so.
Mar 21 17:40:13 <Preemptive> nizovn: Are you OK to wait until Herrie's eaten or shall we just note the updates and continue?
Mar 21 17:40:34 <Herrie> Well I don't have much else to add really
Mar 21 17:40:43 <Herrie> After dinner kids need to go to bed, so will be a while anyway
Mar 21 17:40:47 <Herrie> I suggest you go ahear
Mar 21 17:40:50 <Herrie> Ahead
Mar 21 17:41:14 <Preemptive> OK. Enjoy your dinner and we'll carry on - probably just noting how little we have done! ;-)
Mar 21 17:41:15 <nizovn> Preemptive: yeah, ok btw
Mar 21 17:42:31 <Preemptive> OK. bughi1980 is logged in, but maybe not at the keyboard, so we'll just quickly scoot through the agenda.
Mar 21 17:42:46 <Preemptive> 4.3. Updated location service https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html (Misj, mazzinia)
Mar 21 17:42:50 <Preemptive> No report
Mar 21 17:43:16 <Preemptive> 4.4. Manual management of the webos internals patch feed http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982 (novaldex, Herrie)
Mar 21 17:43:42 <bughi1980> oh hello
Mar 21 17:43:48 <bughi1980> this time I'm not too late
Mar 21 17:44:02 <bughi1980> and no, no updates
Mar 21 17:44:21 <Preemptive> bughi1980: No, not late. Well, I was too! Welcome!
Mar 21 17:45:05 <bughi1980> wew
Mar 21 17:45:51 <Preemptive> No updates to 4.4. patches for manual updates can be posted here: 4.4. Manual management of the webos internals patch feed http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982 (novaldex, Herrie)
Mar 21 17:46:30 <Preemptive> 4.5. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/331800-documentation-management-thread-webos-user-group.html (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS, git.webos-internals.org & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). (All members in the sub-sections)
Mar 21 17:46:47 <Preemptive> 4.5.1. Documentation policy.
Mar 21 17:47:24 <Preemptive> 4.5.2. Find / improve documentation of mojo / enyo. http://www.banneret.nl/webos/documentation/ (Misj)
Mar 21 17:47:31 <Preemptive> No updates...
Mar 21 17:47:49 <Preemptive> 4.5.3. Jonwise/codepoet is doing things here http://www.webosarchive.com/docs/ (codepoet80)
Mar 21 17:47:55 <Preemptive> No report
Mar 21 17:48:10 <Preemptive> 4.5.4. On device Help System. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/332507-fixing-device-help-system.html
Mar 21 17:48:14 <Preemptive> No updates
Mar 21 17:48:22 <Preemptive> 4.5.5. Old domains associated with webOS. (Preemptive)
Mar 21 17:48:25 <Preemptive> No updates
Mar 21 17:48:45 <Preemptive> 4.6. App Store Specification. (Preemptive + others) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/329621-making-another-app-store.html#post3453768
Mar 21 17:48:50 <Preemptive> No updates
Mar 21 17:49:18 <Preemptive> 4.6.1 webOS App Museum II https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/332697-refurbishing-app-museum.html (codepoet80)
Mar 21 17:49:44 <Preemptive> 4.6.2 webOS Nation App Gallery Submission And Access. (Preemptive) https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/332000-app-gallery-issue-reporting-thread.html
Mar 21 17:49:47 <Preemptive> No updates
Mar 21 17:50:11 <Preemptive> 4.7 LuneOS testing protocol. (Preemptive / others) https://forums.webosnation.com/luneos/332396-luneos-testing-protocol.html#post3455344
Mar 21 17:50:33 <Preemptive> I'm just going to check webos-internals
Mar 21 17:52:21 <Preemptive> No updates
Mar 21 17:52:35 <Preemptive> 4.8 Qt Clipboard Plugin. (pcworld, nizovn)
Mar 21 17:53:08 <nizovn> no progress
Mar 21 17:53:11 <mallory> (oh, hi there (I'm pcworld), but not working on any webOS stuff anymore :) )
Mar 21 17:53:21 <Preemptive> PC world isn't here... I guess no updates. We probably need a thread on WN for this.
Mar 21 17:53:25 <nizovn> mallory: hi
Mar 21 17:53:28 <Preemptive> mallory: Oh, Hi
Mar 21 17:53:33 <mallory> hi
Mar 21 17:53:46 <Preemptive> mallory: So not anymore... but you're here?
Mar 21 17:53:54 <Preemptive> ;-)
Mar 21 17:54:07 <Preemptive> Is that a permanent, "not anymore"?
Mar 21 17:54:22 <mallory> recently tried LuneOS on a pinephone, will keep an eye on it
Mar 21 17:55:06 <Preemptive> mallory: Is it worth getting a Pinephone? They seem very affordable, but are they any good?
Mar 21 17:55:29 <mallory> (in fact I still use the webOS phones a bit, but not much)
Mar 21 17:56:00 <mallory> it's very cool to play around with all the distros, but software is all very much in an alpha/beta stage
Mar 21 17:56:18 <mallory> but there's a nice and living community around it, which reminds me of webOS in the "old days"
Mar 21 17:57:38 <Preemptive> mallory: Yes, in part i was guessing it might be the RaspberryPi of the phone world - not just a dev device, and affordable for those with a more casual interest.
Mar 21 17:58:02 <mallory> So yes if you like playing around and having Linux on a phone, but for most not really ready for daily-driving it. Though if you still use webOS phones as a daily driver, the PinePhone may actually be close, it has modern browsers with okayish to decent performance etc. Though there are still reliability issues e.g. when it comes to calls, which still work fine one the old webOS phones
Mar 21 17:58:51 <mallory> "RaspberryPi of the phone world" seems like a good description
Mar 21 17:59:57 <Preemptive> mallory: I'm putting you down as, "Still interested" then...
Mar 21 18:00:23 <Preemptive> 5. Discussion of other items.
Mar 21 18:00:26 <mallory> fine by me :)
Mar 21 18:00:33 <Preemptive> 5.1. Device back up options. http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/331801-options-automated-device-backup-webos-user-group.html#post3451423
Mar 21 18:01:07 <Preemptive> I can't even remember where we were at on this - testing required I think.
Mar 21 18:01:58 <Preemptive> 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html
Mar 21 18:03:40 <Preemptive> Nothing new here. It is fairly safe to assume the real risks are outdated stuff rather than targeted attacks, so there might be some drive-bys, but increasing obscurity may yet give some security.
Mar 21 18:04:54 <Preemptive> 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/
Mar 21 18:05:15 <Preemptive> No new releases since January it seems.
Mar 21 18:05:33 <Preemptive> 5.4. LuneOS Radar.
Mar 21 18:06:19 <Preemptive> See above. Despite the servers going down, they were quickly restored and development continues.
Mar 21 18:06:56 <Preemptive> The LuneOS project will be happy to receive additional developer support.
Mar 21 18:07:10 <Preemptive> 6. Priority Project Selection.
Mar 21 18:07:28 <Preemptive> I see no needs for changes... Anyone?
Mar 21 18:10:08 <Preemptive> 7. Any other business.
Mar 21 18:11:52 <Preemptive> 8. Date of next meeting.
Mar 21 18:12:22 <Preemptive> Sunday's are 4, 11, 18, 25
Mar 21 18:15:59 <Preemptive> April actually looks busy for me... I'm thinking 11th or 18th... Probably 18th..
Mar 21 18:16:25 <nizovn> i have no preference. 18th seems ok
Mar 21 18:17:37 <Preemptive> There's no actual law about Sundays, I think we just settled on it as the time people will most likely be free to talk about webOS.
Mar 21 18:17:58 <Preemptive> ...but we'll go with the 18th if there are no objections.
Mar 21 18:19:48 <Preemptive> I don't mind hanging around on the channel for general chat if you want.
Mar 21 18:20:15 <Preemptive> Next meeting 18th April 2021, 1700 GMT
Mar 21 18:20:47 <Preemptive> Thanks to everyone who's here.
Mar 21 18:22:28 <Preemptive> I notice codepoet is doing a lot on the forums
Mar 21 18:36:27 <bughi1980> yep he is doing a lot
Mar 21 18:44:19 <Preemptive> I was using Konversation, but after the re-install, I just used Hexchat does anyone know off anything better or which is best of those two?
Mar 21 18:44:31 <Preemptive> *off -> of
Mar 21 18:47:24 <mallory> I use weechat (text UI) on a server, so I can just keep it running without having to deal with a bouncer, issues with flaky connection etc.
Mar 21 18:51:05 <Preemptive> mallory: Thanks. I'll look into it.
Mar 21 18:51:59 <mallory> I use it with mosh, with is like ssh but keeps running even if switching connections, suspending etc. as it uses UDP rather than TCP. I find it really useful on a laptop where I suspend often and switch networks
Mar 21 18:52:07 <mallory> s/with/which
Mar 21 19:14:38 <bughi1980> I use hexchat, too
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