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Jul 19 03:37:20 <ka6sox> testing the scripts and then I'll ask you to look at them.
Jul 19 03:45:25 <dtzWill> ka6sox: remove the trailing /'s on the device, /dev/mapper/store-media not /dev/mapper/store-media/
Jul 19 03:46:48 <ka6sox> got it.
Jul 19 03:49:08 <ka6sox> ya, wrote that one first and realized later didn't need those
Jul 19 03:50:20 <ka6sox> those are words I'd use for my 9yr old.
Jul 19 03:55:23 <ka6sox> okay I pushed up the changes you suggested.
Jul 19 03:56:35 <ka6sox> now...which device am I going to sacrifice for this.
Jul 19 03:57:24 <scoutcamper>  TP
Jul 19 03:57:42 <ka6sox> heh
Jul 19 03:57:49 <ka6sox> pixi is the victim.
Jul 19 03:57:55 <scoutcamper> psh
Jul 19 03:59:13 <ka6sox> 1 mistype and its doctor time.
Jul 19 04:01:10 <ka6sox> so I guess the C service can do the sanity checking....
Jul 19 04:01:42 <ka6sox> the last thing the c-service should do is commit sepuka before it just hangs around.
Jul 19 04:11:28 <scoutcamper> ka6sox, doctor time yet?
Jul 19 04:11:42 <ka6sox> not yet....
Jul 19 04:12:10 <dtzWill> ka6sox: does the -i flag on fatresize _also_ let you do a resize in same invocation? Not sure, but might be an issue.
Jul 19 04:14:47 <ka6sox> the -i is only information....
Jul 19 04:15:01 <ka6sox> either -p or -v for getting info out of ti.
Jul 19 04:15:29 <dtzWill> mkay, i just thought -i meant 'print information about this volume', didn't remember if you could do that /and/ resize, or if it meant 'dry-run, just print information'
Jul 19 04:15:39 <dtzWill> regardless it either works or it doesn't, which you're checking now i'm sure
Jul 19 04:15:42 <ka6sox> nope...it stipped there.
Jul 19 04:15:49 <ka6sox> it stopped there.
Jul 19 04:15:52 <ka6sox> as expected
Jul 19 04:16:20 <ka6sox> I'm going to try -p and see if we get better information.
Jul 19 04:17:26 <ka6sox> okay thats better
Jul 19 04:17:39 <ka6sox> just progress
Jul 19 04:18:34 <ka6sox> and I need to make resize_media_internal deal with both increases and decreases.
Jul 19 04:19:17 <ka6sox> just like resize_ext3fs does.
Jul 19 04:19:54 <dtzWill> ka6sox: so you expect size in bytes, not "19G", etc?
Jul 19 04:20:30 <ka6sox> no I expect something like 19G
Jul 19 04:20:41 <ka6sox> probably should quote it
Jul 19 04:20:47 <dtzWill> kk, not sure how that'll play with the inequality, but i understand this is early
Jul 19 04:20:53 <dtzWill> maybe it does play nice, what do i nkow :)
Jul 19 04:21:01 <ka6sox> probably won't
Jul 19 04:21:06 <ka6sox> but I can always strip it off.
Jul 19 04:21:16 <dtzWill> if they're the same unit, yes.
Jul 19 04:21:32 <ka6sox> we define that as the unit
Jul 19 04:21:35 <dtzWill> anyway sorry just shouting out anyting offhand
Jul 19 04:21:36 <dtzWill> ah, kk
Jul 19 04:21:50 <ka6sox> okay that makes it easier
Jul 19 04:21:59 <ka6sox> we dont' send the units and I add it on the line
Jul 19 04:22:14 <ka6sox> fatresize can't deal with anything smaller than 512MB
Jul 19 04:22:29 <ka6sox> so .5G would be smallest.
Jul 19 04:23:14 <ka6sox> so the inequality will work.
Jul 19 05:13:24 <ka6sox> okay I'll push what I have finished....need to go home.
Jul 19 05:15:31 <ka6sox> wish I could help with the key mappings...but not my thing...sorry
Jul 19 05:18:41 <dtzWill> making slides for a presentation for work atm
Jul 19 05:18:47 <dtzWill> would much rather be keymapping-ing
Jul 19 05:19:12 <ka6sox> dtzWill, I wrote up 3 proposals tonight too.
Jul 19 05:19:20 <dtzWill> ka6sox: wow
Jul 19 05:19:28 <dtzWill> I'm garbage at this kind of thing, always takes me forever.
Jul 19 05:20:11 <ka6sox> I do this a lot...been doing it for 22yrs
Jul 19 05:20:35 <dtzWill> mostly since i seem to always be taskd with impossibly vague presentation topics
Jul 19 05:21:12 <dtzWill> haha that's a lot of proposals
Jul 19 05:21:20 <dtzWill> yeah i'm garbage at this, and practice makes perfect or something.
Jul 19 05:21:26 <dtzWill> if i don't ragequit first ;)
Jul 19 05:21:31 <ka6sox> you will need it later
Jul 19 05:22:15 <dtzWill> oh absolutely.  realizing i need it doesn't make it easier though, although i guess i can use that to fight the feeling taht my time is being wasted :)
Jul 19 05:22:39 <dtzWill> "your time will be wasted for the rest of your life, so suck it up and get good at it so it doesn't waste as much"
Jul 19 05:22:41 <dtzWill> ^.%
Jul 19 05:22:42 <dtzWill> *^.^
Jul 19 05:22:55 <ka6sox> he he...
Jul 19 05:23:21 <ka6sox> I freaked out the Apple Store folk today when I was waiting around for my turn....
Jul 19 05:23:32 <ka6sox> I was using the TP and they were "curious"
Jul 19 05:23:53 <scoutcamper> about?
Jul 19 05:24:18 <ka6sox> hey wait!...oooooh...thats nice!
Jul 19 05:25:55 <ka6sox> xterm blew them away
Jul 19 05:26:16 <ka6sox> you mean you are modifying the OS now?
Jul 19 05:26:19 <ka6sox> "yes"
Jul 19 05:26:42 <ka6sox> "and its not jailbroken?"
Jul 19 05:26:44 <ka6sox> "nope"
Jul 19 05:26:54 <scoutcamper> "you mean hp doesnt send hackers to jail?"
Jul 19 05:27:39 <ka6sox> no, I showed them the jailbreak button.
Jul 19 05:27:54 <scoutcamper> heh
Jul 19 05:36:18 <jacques> ka6sox, excellent
Jul 19 05:38:46 <ka6sox> I was compiling something in the chroot today while I was chatting.
Jul 19 05:39:10 <ka6sox> occasionally switching back to xterm.
Jul 19 05:39:38 <ka6sox> it was funny to see their mouth drop when they saw the compile messages flying by.
Jul 19 05:40:36 <scoutcamper> ka6sox, would have been better to show them minecraft, it just needs ia32-libs compiled for arm ;)
Jul 19 05:42:07 <jacques> oh, does minecraft have binary parts? for some reason I thought it was all java
Jul 19 05:42:35 <scoutcamper> jacques, it has 1 dependancy on ia32
Jul 19 05:42:58 <jacques> scoutcamper, network code?
Jul 19 05:44:48 * jacques finds the ubuntu chroot in preware.
Jul 19 05:45:10 <jacques> I'm still not sure why, when I chose feeds at the root level, and webos-internals-testing, I don't see it
Jul 19 05:45:41 <ka6sox> its called something else
Jul 19 05:46:09 <ka6sox> I think I did just type and ubuntu
Jul 19 05:48:17 <jacques> ka6sox, I'm sure it just means I don't understand preware's hierarchy
Jul 19 05:48:24 <ka6sox> me too
Jul 19 05:48:35 <cryptk> the ubuntu chroot shows up under linux apps
Jul 19 05:48:40 <cryptk> not regular apps
Jul 19 05:48:41 <jacques> once rwhitby told me it was in linux apps I found it immediately
Jul 19 05:49:05 <ka6sox> there ya go.
Jul 19 05:49:12 <jacques> cryptk, rugh, but why, when choosing feeds at the root level, and webos-internals-testing feed, don't I see every package in the feed?
Jul 19 05:49:20 <jacques> rugh = right
Jul 19 05:49:38 <rwhitby> jacques: I suspect you chose applications first
Jul 19 05:49:50 <rwhitby> and then saw all the applications in the testing feed
Jul 19 05:49:56 <rwhitby> (webos applications)
Jul 19 05:50:00 <scoutcamper> jacques, idk what ia32 is used for, but i know it ties into a java game lib
Jul 19 05:50:25 <cryptk> jacques, I suspect rwhitby is right
Jul 19 05:51:21 <jacques> I don't want to belabour this, but, at first window I tap available packages, then feeds, then webos-internals-testing, why don't I see it at this point?
Jul 19 05:51:37 <jacques> I only see application, why don't I see linux applications too ?
Jul 19 05:52:21 <scoutcamper> jacques, its easier to click on the list all. its right at the top
Jul 19 05:52:49 <jacques> and yes, since the only choice at that point is applications I chose it, but why wasn't linux apps there too?
Jul 19 05:55:51 <cryptk> jacques, on the main scene of preware, I do not have a selection labeled Available Packages
Jul 19 05:55:57 <cryptk> etf are you tapping on
Jul 19 05:56:32 <cryptk> Are you sure you aren't tapping on Package Updates, or Installed Packages?
Jul 19 05:56:33 <jacques> cryptk, I have it. maybe your preware and mine are configured differently
Jul 19 05:56:58 <cryptk> the preware on my phone is slightly outdated... bringing it up to date now
Jul 19 05:57:14 <cryptk> and I have never seen that menu, and AFAIK I have tested every config option in preware
Jul 19 05:57:28 <cryptk> there is a List Everything...
Jul 19 05:58:21 <jacques> when I start preware, I see Preware 1.7.2, package updates (grayed out), available packages, installed packages, and list of everything, in that oder
Jul 19 06:01:17 <jacques> in prefs, I have Main Scene, show available types -> NO
Jul 19 06:01:24 <cryptk> ahh, that's why
Jul 19 06:01:34 <cryptk> I have show available types -> yes
Jul 19 06:01:34 <ka6sox> so I'd need to configure amarok to use pulseaudio?
Jul 19 06:01:42 <cryptk> ka6sox, likely
Jul 19 06:01:55 <cryptk> is aplay present on the TP?
Jul 19 06:02:04 <cryptk> if so, you can probably use alsa
Jul 19 06:02:13 <cryptk> but I /think/ I checked and alsa wan't there
Jul 19 06:02:25 <jacques> which aplay
Jul 19 06:02:25 <jacques> /usr/bin/aplay
Jul 19 06:02:50 <ka6sox> usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-mixer
Jul 19 06:03:00 <ka6sox> so alsa is there.
Jul 19 06:06:09 <ka6sox> jacques, you were the one who got me going with amarok
Jul 19 06:06:19 <ka6sox> in Lake Charles
Jul 19 06:07:19 <jacques> ka6sox, sweet. that was a great time.
Jul 19 06:07:25 <ka6sox> indeed.
Jul 19 06:08:02 <ka6sox> I need to find the picture of that twisted tower I took.
Jul 19 06:09:29 <ka6sox> and the McDonalds that was out of almost everything.
Jul 19 06:11:14 <ka6sox> if the TP is on the TS it heads into exhibition mode a LOT
Jul 19 06:11:37 <ka6sox> if its just connected to the USB it does not
Jul 19 06:11:43 <rwhitby> jacques: BTW, just type in the main scene of Preware to search for a package
Jul 19 06:17:55 <jacques> ka6sox, yeah I get that too - it keeps charging, gets ful, runs down, charges again, and every time it gets full or starts charging, it wakes up and goes into exhibition mode
Jul 19 06:19:04 <ka6sox> wish I could figure out how to fool powerd
Jul 19 14:29:52 <elpollodiabo1> do we know if Xecutah work on the emulator? would that be a potential place for me to work on Keymappings for TP virtual keyboard?
Jul 19 14:30:39 <rwhitby> we don't have WIDK building for i686
Jul 19 14:31:24 <elpollodiabo1> that is right, that is why I dismissed that thought last night.
Jul 19 14:32:36 <elpollodiabo1> nevermind then I guess cant help with TP keymapping
Jul 19 18:09:28 <ka6sox> okay, now to make xecutah bring up a xserver on :1 instead of :0
Jul 19 18:11:55 <dtzWill> ka6sox: indeed. too bad enyo is tp only :/
Jul 19 18:12:03 <dtzWill> would be *awesome* to have some sidebar listing different displays
Jul 19 18:12:09 <dtzWill> that you can dynamically add/start x severs for
Jul 19 18:12:14 <ka6sox> dtzWill, yup
Jul 19 18:12:14 <dtzWill> and within each that you select can launch various things
Jul 19 18:12:15 <dtzWill> :3
Jul 19 18:12:23 <linuxjacques_> how to make it bring up xserver on N+1 or first unused N
Jul 19 18:12:38 <dtzWill> that said someone less fail at UI design can probably make that work without enyo, hehe
Jul 19 18:12:48 <linuxjacques_> N+1 would be more predictable I guess
Jul 19 18:12:51 <dtzWill> linuxjacques_: hmm? you just tell the xserver what display to start on
Jul 19 18:13:02 <dtzWill> and honestly i'd love if it managed it for you entirely
Jul 19 18:13:06 <ka6sox> right and then assign the next app to the n+1 display
Jul 19 18:13:14 <dtzWill> reports it visually somehow in the UI so you can see it
Jul 19 18:13:20 <dtzWill> well what if you don't wanna run on the next display
Jul 19 18:13:25 <dtzWill> what if you want multpile apps on same server
Jul 19 18:13:31 <linuxjacques_> dtzWill: I meant, have xecutah start the xserver automatically on the next available display
Jul 19 18:13:50 <dtzWill> linuxjacques_: oh, sure. it can pick them randomly from 0->100 for all i care, as long as it makes sure they're unique.
Jul 19 18:14:06 <linuxjacques_> yeah, multiple apps on one display is a valid use case too
Jul 19 18:14:07 <dtzWill> n+1 and the like is fine, but if xecutah can be smart enough to know when which x severs are running/displays are used
Jul 19 18:14:19 <ka6sox> but if I want a separate card thats a separate x-server right?
Jul 19 18:14:22 <dtzWill> it'd be cool to have it select first unused display from the pool or w/e
Jul 19 18:14:33 <dtzWill> ka6sox: oh for sure. definitely want to support boht is all i'm saying
Jul 19 18:15:07 <linuxjacques_> did we ever find an easy way to open the tp firewall so xserver can dispay remote apps?
Jul 19 18:15:13 <ka6sox> dtzWill, oh right.
Jul 19 18:15:18 <dtzWill> my vision was some kinda ui-ness that strictly manages launching x servers (and perhaps removing them)
Jul 19 18:15:34 <ka6sox> linuxjacques, open up port 22
Jul 19 18:15:42 <dtzWill> and from that you could pick on of your launched x servesr (be it a new empty one your just created, or an existing one) and launch whatever apps you wanted on that server
Jul 19 18:15:44 <ka6sox> ssh to the remote server
Jul 19 18:15:47 <linuxjacques_> oh yeah I forgot you guys were telling me to use ssh x forwarding
Jul 19 18:15:50 <ka6sox> with ssh forwarding
Jul 19 18:15:57 <dtzWill> ka6sox: no ports need to be opened
Jul 19 18:16:01 <ka6sox> then pop up the window
Jul 19 18:16:03 <ka6sox> oh right
Jul 19 18:16:07 <dtzWill> except on the remote host obviously, sorry, but not on the tp.
Jul 19 18:16:08 <ka6sox> ssh -X
Jul 19 18:16:23 <dtzWill> (or ssh -Y, i forget the difference, something about trusting the remote host or so)
Jul 19 18:16:31 <linuxjacques_> but, if I were crazy and wanted to open port 6000 on the tp ... ?
Jul 19 18:16:36 <ka6sox> except we can't get a CAPITAL X or Y :D
Jul 19 18:16:43 <linuxjacques_> lol
Jul 19 18:16:46 <dtzWill> ka6sox: lolol we can't >.<
Jul 19 18:16:51 <dtzWill> virtual keyboard should work? :P
Jul 19 18:16:54 <dtzWill> i mean
Jul 19 18:16:56 <dtzWill> x app
Jul 19 18:16:59 <dtzWill> like matchbox-keyboard
Jul 19 18:17:00 <dtzWill> lol
Jul 19 18:17:25 <ka6sox> the apps aren't vkb aware
Jul 19 18:17:30 <dtzWill> linuxjacques_: actually i think we don't launch it with the -nolisten paramater anymore
Jul 19 18:17:43 <dtzWill> linuxjacques_: so i think opening the port would work...
Jul 19 18:17:55 <linuxjacques_> dtzWill: yeah I can see the xserver listening on 6000
Jul 19 18:17:58 <ka6sox> linuxjacques, opening a port means just adding it to the FW rules in iptable
Jul 19 18:18:01 <ka6sox> s
Jul 19 18:18:11 <linuxjacques_> there needs to be a gui
Jul 19 18:18:30 * ka6sox looks elsewhere for gui magic...none here
Jul 19 18:18:41 <linuxjacques_> beccause I can never remember iptables syntax :-)
Jul 19 18:19:37 <ka6sox> linuxjacques, ya, a gui would be nice...
Jul 19 18:19:47 <ka6sox> I do iptables but thats becuase I have to.
Jul 19 18:20:25 <linuxjacques_> I use it to configure IP masquerading for example, but I have to make a script because I can't remember it
Jul 19 18:21:11 <dtzWill> linuxjacques_: the port is definitely open on the x server
Jul 19 18:21:20 <dtzWill> (firewall will block external access, but X11 _is_ listening, etc)
Jul 19 18:21:21 <dtzWill> (confirmed)
Jul 19 18:21:23 <dtzWill> nmap ftw
Jul 19 18:21:46 <linuxjacques_> dtzWill: you did nmap on the tp?
Jul 19 18:22:29 <linuxjacques_> I just did "netstat -atn|grep 6000"
Jul 19 18:22:30 <dtzWill> linuxjacques_: locally, yes.
Jul 19 18:22:44 <linuxjacques_> (as I knew it was display 0)
Jul 19 18:22:55 <dtzWill> no netstat in optware? :(
Jul 19 18:23:09 <linuxjacques_> yeah, it's in net-tools or somesuch
Jul 19 18:23:15 <linuxjacques_> I installed it on my tp
Jul 19 18:23:17 <dtzWill> oh, hooray.
Jul 19 18:23:17 <dtzWill> ty
Jul 19 18:23:31 <linuxjacques_> sorry, at work so can't give exact package name
Jul 19 18:23:54 <dtzWill> nope, it was net-tools
Jul 19 18:23:54 <dtzWill> ty
Jul 19 18:23:59 <linuxjacques_> yw
Jul 19 18:25:32 <ka6sox> I have a list of apps I install from optware....including lsof, screen, net-tools etc
Jul 19 18:30:21 <linuxjacques_> heh, I do lsof too :-)
Jul 19 18:30:35 <linuxjacques_> and strace, and bash, and less, and zile
Jul 19 18:31:16 <linuxjacques_> and recently gdb
Jul 19 18:31:24 <ka6sox> I need to get ltrace fixed
Jul 19 18:32:13 <linuxjacques_> what's wrong with it?
Jul 19 18:36:17 <ka6sox> linuxjacques, last time I tried...didn't work
Jul 19 18:45:22 <ka6sox> dtzWill, if I change :0.0 to :1.0 would that bring up an x-server on display :1?
Jul 19 18:45:59 <linuxjacques_> ka6sox: change it where?
Jul 19 18:46:02 <ka6sox> on the Xsdl invocation.
Jul 19 18:46:05 <dtzWill> ka6sox: yeppers
Jul 19 18:46:09 <linuxjacques_> yep
Jul 19 18:46:13 <ka6sox> perfect
Jul 19 18:46:16 <dtzWill> i'd check the set_keymap_later.sh to make sure it'll run on the right display
Jul 19 18:46:22 <dtzWill> but it should work as you'd expect....
Jul 19 18:46:34 <dtzWill> i just don't have the scripts in front of me so don't remember how we did that
Jul 19 18:46:37 <ka6sox> kk
Jul 19 21:18:55 <halfhalo-work> stupid question time.  well, two questions...  using widk, how do I just build a single package (i know it was mentioned.. i just don't remember), and how can i switch a package from using a tgz to git for its source?
Jul 19 21:50:09 <ka6sox> since we know that 1.4.5 doctors will reformat things if the sizes are wrong I would assume we will have a minimum webOS version for tailor?
Jul 19 21:54:27 <ka6sox> I don't have time to test that right now on enough devices/versions.
Jul 19 22:21:25 <ka6sox> unless we just "know"
Jul 19 22:27:28 <ka6sox> rwhitby, who is going to do sanity checking? the js? the c-service? the scripts?
Jul 19 22:27:55 <ka6sox> or should I just decide and do it?
Jul 20 00:06:48 <rwhitby> morning
Jul 20 00:09:11 <elpollodiabo1> rwhitby: evening
Jul 20 00:13:05 <rwhitby> both the js and the scripts should do sanity checking
Jul 20 00:13:05 <rwhitby> redundantly
Jul 20 00:18:34 <ka6sox> okay that makes sense
Jul 20 01:51:30 <rwhitby> sconix: ping
Jul 20 02:54:15 <PuffTheMagic> grr
Jul 20 02:54:20 <PuffTheMagic> 2011-07-20T02:21:34.823489Z [19299] webos-device user.err filecache[1868]: [filecache.categoryhandler] InsertCacheObject: No type 'email' defined.
Jul 20 02:54:20 <PuffTheMagic> 2011-07-20T02:21:34.838293Z [19299] webos-device user.err mojomail-imap: {com.palm.imap.session}: error downloading part: InsertCacheObject: No type 'email' defined. (MojErr -200) -- src/commands/FetchPartCommand.cpp:192
Jul 20 02:55:23 <PuffTheMagic> how does this happen?
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