**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 24 02:59:57 2011
Aug 24 03:01:45 <dtzWill> ....will updating the ubuntu-chroot package
Aug 24 03:01:46 <dtzWill> force
Aug 24 03:01:48 <dtzWill> everyone to update?
Aug 24 03:01:48 <dtzWill> lol
Aug 24 03:01:53 <dtzWill> aka redl the chroot image
Aug 24 03:01:56 <dtzWill> and nuke their chroot?
Aug 24 03:02:06 <rrix> wanna find out?
Aug 24 03:02:09 <dtzWill> b/c i'm rather not keen on breaking everyone's chroot for color support
Aug 24 03:02:11 <dtzWill> rrix: i really don't
Aug 24 03:02:11 <dtzWill> :(
Aug 24 03:02:15 <rrix> lol, me neither
Aug 24 03:02:18 <dtzWill> grumble testing feed grumble
Aug 24 03:02:18 <dtzWill> lol
Aug 24 03:02:20 <rrix> even though it's testing feed
Aug 24 03:02:29 <rwhitby> dtzWill: postinst refuses to install over an existing install
Aug 24 03:02:36 <rrix> lol
Aug 24 03:03:00 <dtzWill> rwhitby: so it's okay to push an update? or ...bad idea...? :)
Aug 24 03:03:08 <rwhitby> dtzWill: needs to be idempotent
Aug 24 03:03:37 <dtzWill> well also im' concerned about burning bandwidth on everyone re-dl'ing image
Aug 24 03:03:37 <dtzWill> lol
Aug 24 03:03:52 <dtzWill> or do we separate the package and the dl/hosting of the iamg?
Aug 24 03:04:28 <dtzWill> alright, w/e
Aug 24 03:04:28 <dtzWill> lol
Aug 24 03:04:40 <dtzWill> they're running an ubuntu chroot
Aug 24 03:04:48 <dtzWill> let them run the hell they want
Aug 24 03:04:48 <dtzWill> :)
Aug 24 03:05:03 <rrix> lol
Aug 24 03:05:54 <scoutcamper> dtzWill, why not release a patch?
Aug 24 03:06:05 <rrix> hmmm, unknown job: org.wosi.ubuntu-natty-chroot
Aug 24 03:06:34 <dtzWill> scoutcamper: you and your good ideas
Aug 24 03:06:44 <scoutcamper> :)
Aug 24 03:38:20 <dtzWill> xterm pushed, gulp ;)
Aug 24 03:39:07 <dtzWill> rwhitby/anyone with build.git:
Aug 24 03:39:31 <dtzWill> can you pull latest, and edit testing/xserver/Makefile to have version 0.7.4, and run 'make package' and see if teh resulting package words?
Aug 24 03:39:33 <dtzWill> *works?
Aug 24 03:39:53 <dtzWill> (I'd build and ship testing ipk, except I aparently have a borked tar or something)
Aug 24 03:40:02 <dtzWill> should expose tweaks option to change keyboard size
Aug 24 03:40:04 <dtzWill> includign no keyboard
Aug 24 03:58:55 <rwhitby> dtzWill: just xserver, or both xserver and xterm ?
Aug 24 04:07:47 <dtzWill> rwhitby: xserver. xterm i pushed--if it doesn't work it's b/c tar on server is wrong too
Aug 24 04:08:00 <rwhitby> tar on server works
Aug 24 04:08:00 <dtzWill> with respect to making something that the tp expects/understands, anyway
Aug 24 04:08:13 <dtzWill> right, so that was the 'chance' i'm taking :), which seems like not a chance at all
Aug 24 04:08:24 <dtzWill> so just xserver
Aug 24 04:08:37 <dtzWill> xterm should be updated in preware soon, hopefully
Aug 24 04:11:02 <rwhitby> dtzWill: any tweaks in xserver ?
Aug 24 04:11:10 <rwhitby> or just xterm colour so far?
Aug 24 04:11:51 <dtzWill> xserver should install tweaks for keyboard size
Aug 24 04:11:54 <dtzWill> including off
Aug 24 04:12:08 <dtzWill> if that doens't happen, check that the stupid mis-tar'd 000644 thing happened (in the tweaks directory)
Aug 24 04:13:00 <rwhitby> dtzWill: nm, my error
Aug 24 04:14:48 <dtzWill> if worky i'll push with changelog, or you can do so.  anyway, bbiab, much overdue DINNER :D
Aug 24 04:15:33 <rwhitby> dtzWill: works
Aug 24 04:15:41 <rwhitby> dtzWill: please push with changelog
Aug 24 04:15:53 <rwhitby> tested size change and off
Aug 24 04:23:57 <rrix> dtzWill: just ran the updated xterm, didn't work
Aug 24 04:24:06 <rrix> or rather, tried to run it
Aug 24 04:28:10 <rwhitby> https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/106220333610188800
Aug 24 04:28:44 <rrix> sweet, I can't ssh to my device since I can't start ssh cause I can't start xterm :3
Aug 24 04:35:41 <dtzWill> rrix: xterm doesn't start??
Aug 24 04:35:41 <rrix> dtzWill: We broke the build
Aug 24 04:35:42 <dtzWill> oh, damn.
Aug 24 04:35:46 <dtzWill> rrix: 1 sec i'll fix.
Aug 24 04:35:52 <rrix> one of my friends just updated and it broke
Aug 24 04:35:57 <rrix> or rather, installed from scratch
Aug 24 04:35:59 <dtzWill> i understand that it's broken
Aug 24 04:36:00 <rrix> I updated and it broke
Aug 24 04:36:07 <rrix> Okeidoke
Aug 24 04:36:23 * rrix would be debugging it but didn't have sshd running
Aug 24 04:36:23 <dtzWill> if you run xecutah.sh by hand, does it complain about missing get_colors.inc?
Aug 24 04:36:26 <dtzWill> kk
Aug 24 04:40:28 <dtzWill> pushed fix i believe
Aug 24 04:40:46 <dtzWill> rwhitby: pushed updated xserver :D
Aug 24 04:41:02 <rrix> Woot
Aug 24 04:41:06 <rwhitby> will kick autobuilder
Aug 24 04:41:30 <dtzWill> rwhitby: ty
Aug 24 04:50:51 <scoutcamper|away> w00t
Aug 24 04:51:02 <scoutcamper|away> rockin a green on black xterm!
Aug 24 04:51:16 <dtzWill> scoutcamper|away: <3
Aug 24 04:51:18 <dtzWill> rrix: should be fixed, fwiw
Aug 24 04:51:19 <dtzWill> :D
Aug 24 04:51:40 <scoutcamper|away> now to wait for new xserver with keyboard fix lol
Aug 24 04:51:43 <dtzWill> alright, with that i'm calling it a night. enjoy and take care all :)
Aug 24 04:51:46 <dtzWill> scoutcamper|away: already in feeds, bro ;)
Aug 24 04:51:51 <scoutcamper|away> orly?
Aug 24 04:51:58 <scoutcamper|away> nite dtzWill
Aug 24 04:52:10 <rrix> dtzWill: <3
Aug 24 04:52:16 <dtzWill> 'night! :D
Aug 24 04:52:20 <rrix> good night good sir
Aug 24 04:52:32 <dtzWill> rrix: good night! ^.^
Aug 24 04:53:34 <rwhitby> dtzWill: I'm testing all three packages from scratch install, not update.
Aug 24 04:54:39 <rwhitby> dtzWill: um, is black on black a good default for xterm ?
Aug 24 04:54:47 <rrix> dtzWill: all workin', you rock
Aug 24 04:55:09 <scoutcamper|away> rwhitby, i thought the same thing
Aug 24 04:55:10 <rrix> oof, thought I defaulted to white on black
Aug 24 04:55:40 <scoutcamper|away> rrix, default to green on black to bring back memories for ka6sox-class if nothing else :)
Aug 24 04:57:06 * rwhitby bbiab
Aug 24 04:58:21 * rrix <3 green on black :)
Aug 24 04:58:37 <rwhitby> yeah, green on black is a good default
Aug 24 04:58:42 <rrix> frruuuuu
Aug 24 06:22:59 <ka6sox-class> noooooooo
Aug 24 06:47:32 <rrix> no?
Aug 24 07:01:38 <ka6sox> rrix, my least fave...sorry...scoutcamper|away was pulling my chain :P
Aug 24 07:02:21 <rrix> Bah.
Aug 24 07:02:41 <rrix> For a while my entire desktop was green on black. least painful
Aug 24 07:03:36 <rrix> Like my eyes were super sensitive for a few months, and the only way I could assault my eyes with photons was if they were black
Aug 24 07:04:55 <rrix> hmmmm
Aug 24 07:05:09 <rrix> hmmm
Aug 24 07:05:13 <rrix> oh i said that.
Aug 24 07:05:19 <rrix> I don't have a keyboard in my xserver now
Aug 24 07:06:07 <rrix> n'est va pas :\
Aug 24 07:12:00 <ka6sox> rrix, yup...BT,DT,GTTS
Aug 24 07:12:16 <rrix> I can't expand those lol
Aug 24 07:16:20 <ka6sox> Been There, Done That
Aug 24 07:17:27 <rrix> oh, right
Aug 24 07:25:17 <rrix> Yeah, looks like dtzWill's vkb stuff broke xserver :\
Aug 24 13:44:32 <dtzWill> xserver is broken, or no?
Aug 24 13:44:43 <dtzWill> can't change keyboard type via tweaks?
Aug 24 13:44:48 <dtzWill> should default to xs :(
Aug 24 13:46:10 <NuttyBunny> wasn't the latest update issued for that? ;)
Aug 24 13:46:50 <NuttyBunny> what should it do? set the keyboard size on xserver run according to what was specified in tweaks?
Aug 24 13:48:10 <NuttyBunny> It sets the xserver space for the specified keyboard size, not the keyboard size by itself
Aug 24 13:48:25 <NuttyBunny> should it?
Aug 24 13:51:55 <dtzWill> nope, it shouldn't.
Aug 24 13:54:28 <NuttyBunny> So, if it only should adjust the xserver space for the keyboard size, it's doing it here
Aug 24 13:58:37 <dtzWill> kk, great.
Aug 24 14:00:39 <NuttyBunny> any ETA on RANDR support? :D
Aug 24 15:49:28 <ka6sox> dtzWill, I need a new TP...this one died...can't wake it up this AM.
Aug 24 15:50:00 <halfhalo-work> awww
Aug 24 15:50:52 <dtzWill> ka6sox: !!!!
Aug 24 15:51:18 <ka6sox> either that or the charger died and became a sucker.
Aug 24 15:51:36 <halfhalo-work> plug it into the computer and see if novacom sees it?
Aug 24 15:52:11 <dtzWill> ka6sox: gl, sir.
Aug 24 15:52:32 <ka6sox> halfhalo, no life....DEAD
Aug 24 15:52:41 <dtzWill> anyone in here have issues with recent xserver/xterm?
Aug 24 15:52:59 <dtzWill> particularly on their phones? the people in main channel can't give me any debugging info :(
Aug 24 15:53:11 <halfhalo-work> ka6sox: hmmm.  interesting.
Aug 24 15:54:33 <ka6sox> halfhalo-work, I am going to try  the TS next
Aug 24 15:56:28 <ka6sox> "he's dead Jim"
Aug 24 15:56:39 <halfhalo-work> :(
Aug 24 15:57:05 <halfhalo-work> let it sit for a while, then try recovery mode?  All I can really think of.
Aug 24 15:57:57 <ka6sox> how do you turn on a device that is turned off?
Aug 24 15:58:08 <NuttyBunny> ka6sox, does the charger work on a phone?
Aug 24 15:58:27 <ka6sox> lesseee....
Aug 24 15:58:30 <ka6sox> yup
Aug 24 15:58:37 <NuttyBunny> crap
Aug 24 15:58:58 <ka6sox> I'm thinking the battery died.
Aug 24 15:59:29 <NuttyBunny> so, leave it trying to charge for a while
Aug 24 15:59:32 <ka6sox> "no TP for you!"
Aug 24 15:59:44 <ka6sox> I did....
Aug 24 15:59:49 <ka6sox> for 8hrs
Aug 24 16:00:03 <NuttyBunny> ah, no, that's no good at all :(
Aug 24 16:00:11 <ka6sox> the silver button won't wake it up no how.
Aug 24 16:00:51 <halfhalo-work> ka6sox: If all else fails, I will lend you my spare until you can buy another.
Aug 24 16:01:17 <ka6sox> halfhalo-work, thanks.
Aug 24 16:03:49 <halfhalo-work> I just have to get it from hp first.  its shipping tomorrow.
Aug 24 16:23:40 <ka6sox> let it just sit for 20minutes...Still DEAD.
Aug 24 16:23:56 <ka6sox> okay....I am calling this one....
Aug 24 16:24:40 <ka6sox> bleh...bbl...gotta go move some shelves.
Aug 24 16:45:36 <elpollodiablo1> dtzWill: you still need Xterm testing? I only have pre- with 1.4.5 to test on now.
Aug 24 16:46:07 <dtzWill> elpollodiablo1: do it work (after updating if needed?)
Aug 24 16:46:46 <elpollodiablo1> do I need tweaks installed
Aug 24 16:47:12 <elpollodiablo1> or should I try it just stand alone then test with tweaks
Aug 24 16:48:31 <elpollodiablo1> dtzWill: from the other channel it seems like it is a tweaks integration issue
Aug 24 16:54:03 <dtzWill> try it without tweaks first
Aug 24 16:54:05 <dtzWill> please
Aug 24 16:54:10 <dtzWill> ty for asking.
Aug 24 16:55:05 <elpollodiablo1> dtzWill: just updated and getting the org.webosinternals.xterm (start) (stop) and killed errors mentioned in the other channel
Aug 24 16:55:59 <elpollodiablo1> it shows up in a message box with an ok at the bottom, is that xecutahs error catcher?
Aug 24 17:02:21 <dtzWill> elpollodiablo1: yep
Aug 24 17:02:42 <elpollodiablo1> when I try to run xecutah.sh I get permission denied
Aug 24 17:03:53 <elpollodiablo1> I am running my commands through the terminal app which I thought was root
Aug 24 17:06:01 <elpollodiablo1> actually that is my bad didnt run it with sh infront
Aug 24 17:07:53 <elpollodiablo1> so sh ./xecutah.sh actually launches Xterm with only two warnning about locale and faile to open input method.
Aug 24 17:08:06 <elpollodiablo1> but it seems like Xterm is working correctly
Aug 24 17:13:21 <elpollodiablo1> dtzWill: so it seems more like an xecutah issue then xterm??
Aug 24 17:15:04 <dtzWill> straanngee
Aug 24 17:15:10 <dtzWill> idk what the issue is, but that is curious.
Aug 24 17:20:11 <elpollodiablo1> what is the process when xterm is clicked in xecutah? I still have not figure out how xecutah  calls the different apps.
Aug 24 17:20:30 <dtzWill> elpollodiablo1: via upstart
Aug 24 17:20:34 <dtzWill> not sure of the details, sorry.
Aug 24 17:28:44 <dtzWill> i'm debating bringing my tp to class
Aug 24 17:28:53 <dtzWill> feel kinda like a tool if i do, and it's also rather visilbe to others
Aug 24 17:28:55 <dtzWill> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Aug 24 17:30:33 <linuxjacques> have you taken it before?
Aug 24 17:31:31 <elpollodiablo1> do you plan on using it for school stuff or just to play with?
Aug 24 17:33:32 <rrix> dtzWill: its not wortn the attention lol
Aug 24 17:34:10 <rrix> i made that mistake on monday lol
Aug 24 17:35:11 <dtzWill> haha xD
Aug 24 17:35:14 <dtzWill> kk well bbl
Aug 24 17:35:24 <dtzWill> also now i'm late, so don't wanna be late guy AND guy-with-tablet guy
Aug 24 17:35:24 <dtzWill> ;)
Aug 24 17:35:26 <dtzWill> o/
Aug 24 17:35:56 * rrix wonders what to do today
Aug 24 17:37:11 <elpollodiablo1> ah the days of college where you had time to take naps during the day and do numerous other things through out the day.
Aug 24 17:39:21 <rrix> elpollodiablo1: only because i derped my schedule severely. 3 of my 4 classes i had to drop for various reasons
Aug 24 17:41:05 <elpollodiablo1> that suck, my schedules was always packed during college but power naps were the best part of my day.
Aug 24 17:41:29 * rrix nods
Aug 24 17:41:31 <rrix> yup
Aug 24 18:12:39 <rrix> i have come to the conclusion that all of the virtual keyboards available in the ubuntu chroot pretty much suck
Aug 24 18:13:34 <rrix> forence segfaults, kvkbd doesnt work without dbus, xvkbd is buggy as all get out, onboard doesnt work without dbus
Aug 24 18:15:38 <NuttyBunny> rrix, we just need an overlay X application that modifies whatever the VKB sends with Ctrl, Alt/Meta, and Esc :)
Aug 24 18:16:53 <rrix> yeah
Aug 24 18:17:01 <rrix> 'just' :)
Aug 24 18:20:28 <NuttyBunny> hehehe :D
Aug 24 18:20:50 <NuttyBunny> does the x server receive 2 or more finger inputs?
Aug 24 18:35:49 <rrix> NuttyBunny: nop
Aug 24 18:36:37 <NuttyBunny> ah, but the device could recognize the key tap and another finger inside the xserver, right?
Aug 24 18:36:56 <rrix> i do believe so
Aug 24 18:37:12 <rrix> actually looks no
Aug 24 18:38:10 <NuttyBunny> hmmm...
Aug 24 18:38:46 <rrix> bah
Aug 24 18:38:59 <elpollodiablo1> I dont believe so
Aug 24 18:39:22 <NuttyBunny> shit, you're right
Aug 24 18:40:03 <elpollodiablo1> that was one of my ideas too
Aug 24 18:40:47 <elpollodiablo1> for a potential right click option
Aug 24 18:41:11 <rrix> run the overlay outside of x, as a part of the xsdl binary?
Aug 24 18:41:33 <rrix> or is that a card limitation
Aug 24 18:41:35 * rrix looks
Aug 24 18:42:06 <rrix> no, i can do it in e.g. spaz
Aug 24 18:42:48 <rrix> probably easier anyways, architurally
Aug 24 18:43:15 <rrix> if you ship the overlay inside the xserver, it then needs a window manager
Aug 24 18:43:52 <rrix> which then interferes with a wm someone may install from chroot
Aug 24 18:46:39 <elpollodiablo1> yeah I beleive that was the plan to put another row above the numbers to hand all the things the built in keyboard couldnt
Aug 24 18:46:56 * rrix nods
Aug 24 18:47:42 <elpollodiablo1> my first goal is to get the keyboard to hide and show, but I wont beable to mess with that till after the weekend
Aug 24 18:48:42 <rrix> elpollodiablo1: thats in tweaks now
Aug 24 18:49:21 * rrix needs password syncing with his laptop :(
Aug 24 18:51:20 <elpollodiablo1> I mean on the fly
Aug 24 18:51:26 <elpollodiablo1> or does it do it on the fly?
Aug 24 18:51:44 <elpollodiablo1> similar to how the mojo emulator does it
Aug 24 18:51:57 <rrix> it doesnt
Aug 24 18:52:22 <elpollodiablo1> well I have to head out and catch a flight
Aug 24 18:52:22 <rrix> youd have to reimplement xrandr i think, xsdl doesnt do it wfaict
Aug 24 18:52:33 <rrix> gl :)
Aug 24 18:52:46 * rrix waits for tp #2 to arrive
Aug 24 18:59:43 <dtzWill> NuttyBunny: could definitely do overlays, that's one of the good options for adding keys like control, etc
Aug 24 19:00:23 <dtzWill> right now it just forwards ALL taps to X, i believe the coordinates are clamped
Aug 24 19:00:52 <dtzWill> rrix, elpollodiablo1: yep randr for dynamically resizing
Aug 24 19:01:11 <dtzWill> making keyboard hide/show is easy peasy, but if you want to resize X you'll want xrandr
Aug 24 19:01:25 <dtzWill> which actually shouldn't be too bad, it's next on the TODO i think
Aug 24 19:06:49 <rrix> dtzWill: wouldnt randr have to be written from scratch si ce we dont have a monitor to interface to the exieting randr extension?
Aug 24 19:15:24 <rrix> hmmm, i wonder if i could install widk in to an ubuntu chroot on my laptop instead of the vm setup i have now....
Aug 24 19:16:23 * rrix filled up his vm's disk image trying to setup ootware toolchain to get messagingplugins build set up :/
Aug 24 19:57:12 <elpollodiablo1_> where an
Aug 24 19:57:36 <elpollodiablo1_> where can I find the Enyo wirc version
Aug 24 19:58:08 <NuttyBunny> git
Aug 24 19:58:50 <elpollodiablo1_> no ipk yet?
Aug 24 19:59:05 <rrix> No
Aug 24 19:59:39 <elpollodiablo1_> alright just wanted to test it out while I m at the airport
Aug 24 21:02:19 <dtzWill> rrix: we do have a 'monitor'--and it absolutely can be done with much code
Aug 24 21:02:29 <dtzWill> bit of attention to detail? but that's about it.
Aug 24 21:02:39 <rrix> Ah, nice
Aug 24 21:02:59 <dtzWill> (see the fbdev code for an example... that's the code i'll be looking at when i implement it:))
Aug 24 21:03:14 * rrix really doesn't know... haven't looked at the code much, yet
Aug 24 21:22:09 <dtzWill> has anyone here (sigh) had issues with the vkb disappearing on X?
Aug 24 21:24:59 <rrix> I haven't, but Ive not tried installing from scratch yet
Aug 24 21:26:50 <dtzWill> fair 'nuff. j/w, since it's never disappear for me, heh >.<
Aug 24 21:33:18 <rrix> ya
Aug 24 21:34:12 <dtzWill> (hard to sort out some of these 'bug' reports, bah)
Aug 24 21:34:49 <rrix> yar
Aug 24 21:34:59 * rrix will install it on to touchpad #2 shortly
Aug 24 21:36:22 <scoutcamper> dtzWill, i believe you can now close #469 in redmine
Aug 24 21:37:44 <dtzWill> indeed, ty! ^.^
Aug 24 21:43:03 <rrix> cool, widk works ij a chroot on top of fedora
Aug 24 21:43:27 <rrix> Means i can nuke my vm :3
Aug 24 21:44:21 <ka6sox> if its generic stuff why would you need a VM  for linux on linux? (unless you need something from the kernel)
Aug 24 21:45:20 <rrix> ka6sox: sb2 wont install on fedora and nova*'s libusb doesnt play nice and i cant eben LD_* trick it into working
Aug 24 21:45:46 <ka6sox> ewww.
Aug 24 21:46:13 <ka6sox> the chroot is much easier
Aug 24 21:46:33 <rrix> it is :)
Aug 24 21:46:36 <ka6sox> if usb is configured properly in the kernel then a different libusb should just "work"
Aug 24 21:46:49 <rrix> you'd think so
Aug 24 21:46:52 <rrix> yet....
Aug 24 21:46:57 * rrix shrugs
Aug 24 21:47:30 <rrix> anyways, works now, my development can now be nicely streamlined
Aug 24 21:48:14 <rrix> beats me setting up a dualboot like i was gonna have to do :/
Aug 24 21:54:13 * dtzWill shakes fist at scoutcamper 
Aug 24 21:54:40 <dtzWill> ka6sox: do you konw what "usb is configured properly" means?
Aug 24 21:54:57 <dtzWill> i also have issues with nova*, and LD_PRELOAD'ing the right libusb's used to work, but doesn't anymore :(
Aug 24 21:56:23 <ka6sox> dtzWill, ya, mostly has to do with how many of the things we might want to do are checked in the kernel build.
Aug 24 21:56:51 <dtzWill> ka6sox: do you have any inforamtion/link/etc on what those might be?
Aug 24 21:56:57 <dtzWill> b/c i'd love to have nova* working nicely again
Aug 24 21:56:57 <dtzWill> lol
Aug 24 21:57:08 <dtzWill> for the past month i use ssh/preware :/
Aug 24 21:57:14 <dtzWill> or my media center to doctor things :(
Aug 24 21:57:18 <dtzWill> it's rather shameful
Aug 24 21:58:16 <ka6sox> send me your config...
Aug 24 21:58:23 <ka6sox> I will go ahead and find whats missingt
Aug 24 21:58:33 <ka6sox> (everyone is slightly different.
Aug 24 21:58:36 <ka6sox> )
Aug 24 22:00:45 <dtzWill> oh
Aug 24 22:00:48 <dtzWill> okay taht works
Aug 24 22:01:48 <dtzWill> ka6sox: http://ompldr.org/vYTFpMA
Aug 24 22:01:59 <dtzWill> ka6sox: if you think any different kernel version would work better or anything else, lmk.
Aug 24 22:02:28 <dtzWill> also yes i know that config is huge xD i'm lazy :)
Aug 24 22:03:51 * rrix hasnt built a custom kernel for like five years now...
Aug 24 22:04:26 <scoutcamper> rrix, i built a xen hypervisor kernel like >1 week ago
Aug 24 22:04:41 <rrix> heh
Aug 24 22:04:41 <dtzWill> yeah i just stopped caring.  especially for shit like putting a bunch of crap in modules--why the hell not.  disk space is cheap
Aug 24 22:04:57 <rrix> dtzWill: definitely.
Aug 24 22:05:16 <rrix> fedora has a Good Enough default config
Aug 24 22:05:56 <rrix> im on 2.6.38 until vboxdrv builds on 2.6.40 (3.0) though...
Aug 24 22:06:00 * rrix bbl
Aug 24 22:06:36 <rrix> gonna set my alarm for thirty minutes and wake up in five hours but meh
Aug 24 22:06:37 <dtzWill> hehe
Aug 24 22:07:51 <rrix> powernap is really a nice little app
Aug 24 22:08:03 <ka6sox> dtzWill, # CONFIG_USB_GADGET is not set
Aug 24 22:08:07 <ka6sox> bad juju
Aug 24 22:09:33 <dtzWill> ka6sox: is that it?
Aug 24 22:09:34 <dtzWill> >.<
Aug 24 22:09:34 <dtzWill> lol
Aug 24 22:09:41 <ka6sox> everything else that matters is enabled.
Aug 24 22:10:18 <dtzWill> ka6sox: module is fine?
Aug 24 22:10:40 <dtzWill> this explains how i broke it--i couldn't remember why i had a custom kernel config, so i ditched it while upgrading kernels
Aug 24 22:10:54 <dtzWill> (figured if there was a good reason i'd run into it "fuck my sound card doesn't work" etc)
Aug 24 22:11:31 <dtzWill> go go gadget compiler
Aug 24 22:11:51 <ka6sox> module is fine...but I just build that in and add gadgets as necessary
Aug 24 22:11:57 <ka6sox> (make them modules)
Aug 24 22:14:29 <dtzWill> ka6sox: kk, ty.
Aug 24 22:16:37 <dtzWill> ka6sox: do i want/need any particular gadgets for nova*?
Aug 24 22:16:40 <dtzWill> (while am at it?)
Aug 24 22:17:06 <ka6sox> I didn't look @ what version that config was for.
Aug 24 22:17:17 <ka6sox> uname -a?
Aug 24 22:17:49 <dtzWill> Linux dtzBlue 2.6.38.7 #3 SMP Sun May 22 16:21:50 CDT 2011 x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) 9950 Quad-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
Aug 24 22:22:00 <dtzWill> wait, why does my host machine need CONFIG_USB_GADGET?
Aug 24 22:22:01 <dtzWill> o_O
Aug 24 22:22:31 <dtzWill> the device's run in host mode? (i thoght they didn't, else couldn't we hook up usb keys and stuff to them?)
Aug 24 22:22:41 * dtzWill isn't entirely sure he understands what he's saying
Aug 24 22:23:09 <ka6sox> what version of libusb are you using?
Aug 24 22:24:55 <dtzWill> 1.0.8?
Aug 24 22:28:18 <dtzWill> ka6sox: you really don't need to be my personal support for this :), but ty for what you've said so far and appreciate it 'course :)
Aug 24 22:28:54 <ka6sox> dtzWill, I am helping a fellow developer get his dev hardware working...so thats contributing to the cause.
Aug 24 22:29:20 <dtzWill> ^.^, indeed. ty :D
Aug 24 22:39:29 * dtzWill is trying extremely ahrd to not check -internals
Aug 24 22:39:33 <dtzWill> way too many people needing support :(
Aug 24 22:41:58 <ka6sox> I left
Aug 24 22:42:36 <dtzWill> i'm tempted to do so
Aug 24 22:42:40 <dtzWill> but that's the only public landing spot
Aug 24 22:42:45 <dtzWill> and some people have legit reasons to seek support
Aug 24 22:42:46 <dtzWill> :/
Aug 24 22:42:52 <dtzWill> maybe with x actually being popular-ish now
Aug 24 22:42:58 <dtzWill> i need to stop getting pinged on x/xterm/etc
Aug 24 22:42:59 <dtzWill> lol
Aug 24 22:43:18 <scoutcamper> dtzWill, make a x/xterm/x-anything channel
Aug 24 22:43:42 <ka6sox> yet another channel?
Aug 24 22:44:42 <scoutcamper> better than major clutter of #webos-internals
Aug 24 22:45:20 <scoutcamper> and dtzWill could threaten a ban to "i need ctrl make it now ..." type of people
Aug 24 22:46:04 <dtzWill> but haha
Aug 24 22:46:11 <dtzWill> *haha
Aug 24 22:46:24 <dtzWill> nah i'll just try to ignore
Aug 24 22:46:28 <dtzWill> and get control support implemented
Aug 24 22:46:33 <dtzWill> give them less to complain about
Aug 24 22:46:40 <dtzWill> *insert joke about how that'll never happen*
Aug 24 22:46:45 <ka6sox> dtzWill, I can now get to my TP
Aug 24 22:46:48 <ka6sox> let me send you that file
Aug 24 22:46:59 <ka6sox> and you will see that Luna is eating ctrl
Aug 24 22:46:59 <dtzWill> ka6sox: great, ty
Aug 24 22:47:06 <dtzWill> oh, it eats control?
Aug 24 22:47:07 <dtzWill> well fuck
Aug 24 22:47:12 <dtzWill> so unless we get intense and patch the bugger
Aug 24 22:47:33 <ka6sox> yes, its not being used to modify at all.
Aug 24 22:52:05 <dtzWill> ka6sox: well i might eat it in Xsdl
Aug 24 22:52:17 <dtzWill> it's possible SDL sets the modifier--atm i don't try to pass them down
Aug 24 22:52:32 <dtzWill> hey any git experts? :)
Aug 24 22:52:53 <dtzWill> i often find myself wanting to look at a particular commit--like 'git show <commit>' kind of deal
Aug 24 22:53:23 <dtzWill> and have things rigged up so that 'git diff' uses an external program so that i can edit diff's
Aug 24 22:53:29 <dtzWill> (that's perhaps unrelated)
Aug 24 22:53:48 <dtzWill> what i often find myself wanting to do is look at the changes made by a commit, but against mainline
Aug 24 22:54:03 <dtzWill> sorta like a combination of 'git blame' and 'git diff -c <commmit>'
Aug 24 22:59:32 <ka6sox> dtzWill, I use cgit
Aug 24 23:04:41 <dtzWill> ...web frontend?
Aug 24 23:05:17 <ka6sox> yes
Aug 24 23:07:47 <ka6sox> git.webos-internals.org
Aug 24 23:08:02 <dtzWill> ah
Aug 24 23:08:07 <dtzWill> nah, i wanna have git help me /dev/
Aug 24 23:08:08 <dtzWill> :)
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