**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 02:59:58 2011
Aug 25 05:50:55 <ka6sox> welcome fattire_
Aug 25 05:51:12 <cryptk> welcome to the party
Aug 25 05:51:14 <fattire_> hehe thanks
Aug 25 05:52:44 <jacques> the quiet party
Aug 25 05:53:02 <ka6sox> dtzWill, I sent those mappings to you.
Aug 25 05:53:18 <ka6sox> from the HP BT keyboard
Aug 25 05:53:44 <ka6sox> but I'm convinced something is eating ctrl
Aug 25 05:53:52 <ka6sox> and there is no "alt" key
Aug 25 05:55:27 <rwhitby> fattire_: if you have any other meta-doctor questions, feel free to ask here. (he's doing an 8GB ext3fs now)
Aug 25 05:55:40 * rwhitby -> lunch
Aug 25 05:57:02 <fattire_> okay
Aug 25 05:57:09 <fattire_> just reading the documentation right now.. or skimming
Aug 25 05:57:49 <rrix> hmm, food. Probably a good idea
Aug 25 05:58:11 <fattire_> this is cool as hell..
Aug 25 06:00:01 <cryptk> yeah, the meta doc is pretty cool
Aug 25 06:00:15 <fattire_> hmm edited the Makefile and remade but it came back really quick.
Aug 25 06:00:31 <cryptk> and at it's core, all it does is unpack the doctor, make changes and put it back together... it just happens to have several of the "common" things scripted in
Aug 25 06:00:35 <fattire_> "nothing to be done"
Aug 25 06:00:42 <cryptk> fattire_, what make command did you run?
Aug 25 06:00:50 <fattire_> make DEVICE=touchpad CARRIER=wifi all
Aug 25 06:01:01 <fattire_> after setting up the 8gb ext3s
Aug 25 06:01:02 <fattire_> fs
Aug 25 06:01:15 <cryptk> try make DEVICE=touchpad CARRIER=wifi unpack patch pack
Aug 25 06:01:19 <fattire_> I would tokay thx
Aug 25 06:01:30 <fattire_> same
Aug 25 06:01:35 <cryptk> make clobber
Aug 25 06:01:37 <cryptk> then redo it
Aug 25 06:01:47 <fattire_> k..  doing that :)
Aug 25 06:01:56 <cryptk> well, make clobber, then the other make I gave you
Aug 25 06:01:58 <fattire_> guess it didn't pick up that change in the Make file
Aug 25 06:02:00 <fattire_> yeah will do
Aug 25 06:02:08 <cryptk> if that still doesn't work, pastebin your makefile for me
Aug 25 06:02:34 <fattire_> k.. only thing I changed was 8GB for the ext3fs and upped the var from 2 to 3 gigs
Aug 25 06:02:57 <fattire_> I'm sure I'll end up repartitioning many times :)
Aug 25 06:03:10 <fattire_> Why does boot/bootie need all those partitions 0-13?
Aug 25 06:03:15 <rwhitby> fattire_: no need to up var
Aug 25 06:03:21 <rwhitby> fattire_: MSM stuff
Aug 25 06:03:28 <cryptk> yeah, no need to increase the var space
Aug 25 06:03:31 <cryptk> that is "legacy"
Aug 25 06:03:47 <cryptk> if you were running WebOS 1.3 something then it would be worth it, but not anymore
Aug 25 06:04:25 <oil> lol apps on the small var partition
Aug 25 06:04:33 <oil> such an oversight
Aug 25 06:04:39 <cryptk> yep
Aug 25 06:04:50 <cryptk> and then their fix didn't even work correctly, lol
Aug 25 06:04:58 <cryptk> hence why we have/had EMH
Aug 25 06:05:03 <oil> yeah
Aug 25 06:05:16 <cryptk> must have been great for Palm to know that anythign they didn't get right we would fix for them
Aug 25 06:05:34 <jacques> late lunch rwhitby
Aug 25 06:05:40 <oil> fstab fixer
Aug 25 06:06:19 <rwhitby> cryptk: we need to get that dbus fix into ubuntu-chroot at some stage
Aug 25 06:09:30 <cryptk> yeah, I still haven't gotten all of the bugs fixed
Aug 25 06:11:04 <fattire_> okay flashing here goes nothin' :)
Aug 25 06:17:28 <fattire_> I see Tux! :D
Aug 25 06:22:28 <fattire_> hmm it stil asks for a webos account-- i thought I could skip that..
Aug 25 06:24:53 <fattire_> oh crap I didn't uncomment bypass oh jeeze
Aug 25 06:26:13 <rwhitby> no harm in creating an account
Aug 25 06:26:29 <fattire_> yeah..  but I actually should have uncommented more of these things... at least it went through okay
Aug 25 06:26:45 <fattire_> I clearly should have eaten today I'm all spacey...
Aug 25 06:27:42 <fattire_> now I'm actually READING the docs.. lots of cool options here
Aug 25 06:28:09 <rwhitby> fattire_: you wait till you install Impostah ...
Aug 25 06:28:21 <fattire_> what's that?
Aug 25 06:28:29 <rwhitby> lots of cool options ;)
Aug 25 06:29:18 <fattire_> awesome.. can't wait...
Aug 25 06:30:20 <fattire_> maybe I'll give it a bigger swap too while I'm at it
Aug 25 06:30:31 <ka6sox> couldn't hurt!
Aug 25 06:31:29 <fattire_> yah... lets see 1gb ram...
Aug 25 06:31:55 <rwhitby> hmm, I haven't actually tested that swap size option yet. should be fine though.
Aug 25 06:32:28 <fattire_> Okay I'll be your guinea pig.. I'll just say 1gb swap
Aug 25 06:33:11 <rwhitby> be aware that if you doctor in the future, it's likely to wipe all your partitions if you change the size of the standard ones
Aug 25 06:33:30 <rwhitby> OTA updates *should* be fine.
Aug 25 06:33:46 <fattire_> rwhitby: yeah no big deal.  This is all temporary to acquaint myself with webos and the tablet in general...  I shut off OTA anyway... my compliments this is really cool.
Aug 25 06:34:12 <rwhitby> it's also legal to the point where HP people recommend it to others.
Aug 25 06:34:31 <fattire_> do I want a custom image? :)  this is fantastic
Aug 25 06:34:53 <fattire_> gotta remake this... in the meanwhile..
Aug 25 06:35:07 <rwhitby> One thing you'll see in webOS is we're not that big on pre-customised things. We give the end-user the tools to be their own chef.
Aug 25 06:35:07 <fattire_> so there's no uRamdisk correct?
Aug 25 06:35:28 <rwhitby> only in the the recovery/installer kernel
Aug 25 06:35:45 <rrix> rwhitby: That and the fact that you can't legally pre-customise the doctor and make it available for end-user ;P
Aug 25 06:36:01 <fattire_> so there's a recovery that's not that "usb mode"?  something I haven't seen yet?
Aug 25 06:36:04 <rwhitby> rrix: yep, that's why meta-doctor was created.
Aug 25 06:36:17 <rrix> hehe
Aug 25 06:36:19 <fattire_> I wish the OS itself were open :/
Aug 25 06:36:23 <rwhitby> fattire_: yeah. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover
Aug 25 06:37:02 <ka6sox> the os is pretty open...mostly the window manager.
Aug 25 06:37:29 <fattire_> rwhitby: is recovery mode then simply reflashing via webos doctor?
Aug 25 06:37:45 <fattire_> you've used clockworkmod recovery image w/android yah?
Aug 25 06:38:23 <fattire_> I'm goign to have to eat soon I'm getting lightheaded and I'm probably incoherent
Aug 25 06:39:08 <fattire_> uh oh it's asking for a "file to patch" this time
Aug 25 06:40:11 <rwhitby> pastebin ?
Aug 25 06:41:06 <fattire_> http://pastebin.com/de4ngCb8
Aug 25 06:41:30 <fattire_> this is probably my fault somehow.
Aug 25 06:42:28 <rwhitby> not your fault
Aug 25 06:44:42 <rwhitby> weird. does it reoccur with a clobber first?
Aug 25 06:44:54 <fattire_> yeah I did a clobber
Aug 25 06:44:59 <fattire_> I can retry for what it's worth
Aug 25 06:45:14 <rwhitby> can you paste make .... clobber all ?
Aug 25 06:45:18 <fattire_> or I can pastebin the makefile config or whateer you need..
Aug 25 06:45:22 <fattire_> yes sure..
Aug 25 06:45:30 <rwhitby> oh, paste make settings too
Aug 25 06:45:33 <fattire_> okay will do
Aug 25 06:45:37 <fattire_> i'll do it all-in-one
Aug 25 06:46:19 <fattire_> k it's goin'
Aug 25 06:49:39 <fattire_> http://pastebin.com/ct11aBnn
Aug 25 06:51:25 <fattire_> helpful?
Aug 25 06:54:46 <rwhitby> fattire_: try without usb networking
Aug 25 06:54:58 <rwhitby> and take out the auto install preware too
Aug 25 06:55:01 <fattire_> okay
Aug 25 06:56:14 <fattire_> preware is like an alternative app market/store?
Aug 25 06:56:41 <rwhitby> homebrew installer
Aug 25 06:57:00 <fattire_> same file to patch
Aug 25 06:57:13 <fattire_> I see the error seems to be related to bypass-activation.patch
Aug 25 06:57:34 <rwhitby> yeah.  bypass activation is mainly for phones
Aug 25 06:58:25 <fattire_> I guess I'm not sure what the difference is between activation and first use.. but I can comment that out too
Aug 25 07:01:10 <fattire_> seems to be going now
Aug 25 07:01:35 <fattire_> done
Aug 25 07:02:06 <rwhitby> let me see if I can reproduce that
Aug 25 07:03:14 <rrix> Qt really does not like to be cross compiled at all :\ strange relocation errors and stuff with my latest attempt using Lighthouse
Aug 25 07:03:35 <rwhitby> fattire_: I can reproduce your error
Aug 25 07:04:01 <rrix> Oh, it's trying to execute an ARM binary on i386... I'm so good at this
Aug 25 07:04:12 <fattire_> rwhitby: k..  well no big deal as long as I can install your homebrew installer afterwards..
Aug 25 07:04:16 <fattire_> I'm gonna go ahead and flash this
Aug 25 07:04:44 <ka6sox> rixx I think that tmandry did that a while ago.
Aug 25 07:04:50 <ka6sox> made Qt build in widk.
Aug 25 07:05:26 <rwhitby> fattire_: yeah, leave out bypass-activation and bypass-first-use
Aug 25 07:05:50 <fattire_> I was about to flash-- leave out bypass-first-use too?  can't I just run it later?
Aug 25 07:06:14 <fattire_> if I absolutely need it I'll have to do it when I get back.> I'm digesting my own stomach.
Aug 25 07:06:32 <fattire_> it built fine w/bypass first use enabled
Aug 25 07:06:48 <rrix> ka6sox: some other dude made a version of it too but I never got that one working
Aug 25 07:06:53 * rrix finds this tmandry fellow
Aug 25 07:07:54 <fattire_> Screw it I'm going for it and I'll just re-re-reflash if I have to :)
Aug 25 07:08:19 <fattire_> and away we go!
Aug 25 07:08:46 <rwhitby> fattire_: oh, bypass first use is fine
Aug 25 07:09:54 <rrix> Yeah, it looks like tmandry was just using qt.git which was darron blacks thing that I hate :)
Aug 25 07:09:56 <fattire_> we'll see :)  maybe tomorrow I'll do a walk-through specific to the touchpad for people to bric-- um, enhance their tablets :)
Aug 25 07:14:08 <oil> rwhitby: if patches are os-version specific, how would i patch something like the app catalog?
Aug 25 07:15:19 <rwhitby> oil: we can't at the moment
Aug 25 07:15:24 <oil> ok
Aug 25 07:21:49 <fattire_> I'm up :)
Aug 25 07:22:14 <rwhitby> fattire_: you know we've never had an end-user brick a webOS device?
Aug 25 07:22:20 <rwhitby> ever
Aug 25 07:22:40 <fattire_> I think I can say the same for the nook too actually....
Aug 25 07:22:46 <fattire_> but that's very reassuring
Aug 25 07:22:55 <fattire_> although w/no sd card on this thing..
Aug 25 07:23:19 <fattire_> I'm in the interface now without having to log in, which is cool
Aug 25 07:23:41 <ka6sox> we *have* had devs brick things...but thats not the same.
Aug 25 07:23:45 <fattire_> no terms and conditions either
Aug 25 07:24:21 <fattire_> I dont' think we've even had devs irreversibly brick a nook, unless they dropped it or something.. oh wait that's not true I think green did somethign when playing with usb host mode
Aug 25 07:24:29 <fattire_> but it may have been a bad machine
Aug 25 07:24:48 <fattire_> the great thing about the nooks is it boots to sd first so you can ALWAYS reformat emmc and start over if you need to
Aug 25 07:24:58 <rwhitby> yeah, nice and robust.
Aug 25 07:25:15 <rwhitby> fattire_: yeah, bypass first use did that for you.  activation is only for phones
Aug 25 07:25:19 <ka6sox> and the boot order is BURNED into the devices.
Aug 25 07:25:48 <fattire_> rwhitby: gotcha...  so by not having this registered with HP what have I lost I wonder
Aug 25 07:26:19 <oil> catalog
Aug 25 07:26:26 <oil> backup
Aug 25 07:26:40 <rwhitby> fattire_: really, there's no downside to registering it
Aug 25 07:27:06 <fattire_> yeah I will, I will :)  There's also an upside to 50 gigs of free box.net apparently
Aug 25 07:27:13 <ka6sox> yup
Aug 25 07:27:15 <fattire_> anyway I'm gonna register the wifi and go eat...
Aug 25 07:27:29 * oil has yet to use any of his box.net space
Aug 25 07:31:03 <fattire_> I like this UI!
Aug 25 07:31:43 <fattire_> okay off-- rwhitby thanks for the assist.  Sorry for the dumb questions :)
Aug 25 07:32:10 <rwhitby> fattire_: no worries, I'm confident you nook devs will reward the pay-forward
Aug 25 07:32:45 <fattire_> I'll try to collect some of this info in a wiki somewhere or xda or something for others to glean as well.
Aug 25 07:33:08 <rwhitby> fattire_: feel free to use www.webos-internals.org
Aug 25 07:33:18 <fattire_> okay!
Aug 25 07:33:36 <fattire_> i may duplicate info, but it'll be more touchpadcentric
Aug 25 07:33:56 <rwhitby> feel free to refactor what's there
Aug 25 07:34:00 <fattire_> okay sounds good
Aug 25 07:34:09 <fattire_> I tend to learn by documenting
Aug 25 07:34:12 <rwhitby> e.g, on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor
Aug 25 07:34:25 <rwhitby> or add a page to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Research
Aug 25 07:34:47 <rwhitby> or anywhere else really, if it's gonna be a good page.
Aug 25 07:34:49 <fattire_> rwhitby: for sure, I need to acquaint myself with what's already there too
Aug 25 07:36:11 <rwhitby> fattire_: perhaps we'll get webOS on a Nook Colour, hey?
Aug 25 07:36:47 <fattire_> hehe if the pre is omap, it may not be that far fetched an idea.. i'm wondering how licensing works with webOS... another thing to investigate
Aug 25 07:36:58 <fattire_> never used this before just now :)
Aug 25 07:37:06 <fattire_> okay I gotta go!!  cya and thanks again
Aug 25 07:37:22 <rwhitby> fattire_: well, supposedly HP is looking to license webOS
Aug 25 07:37:34 <rwhitby> so a proof of concept on other hardware can't be a bad thing
Aug 25 07:38:11 <fattire_> you know who could do that fast?  deeper-blue.  he ripped honeycomb binaries off the SDK in like 2 days had it running on the nook
Aug 25 07:38:49 <ka6sox> what other thing was similar?
Aug 25 07:39:17 <fattire_> huh?
Aug 25 07:41:12 <fattire_> okay laters
Aug 25 15:43:36 <halfhalo-work> rwhitby: how hard would it be to get the autobuilder to start creating ipk's for node?  That plus an npm ipk would make the touchpad a great node dev platform.
Aug 25 17:56:02 <ka6sox-zzzz> halfhalo, it already does node backends...
Aug 25 17:56:16 <ka6sox-zzzz> halfhalo-work that is.
Aug 25 17:57:26 <halfhalo-work> I mean, go from building to an installable ipk.
Aug 25 17:57:47 <ka6sox> we *already* have node in ipks
Aug 25 17:58:10 <ka6sox> look @ Tailor
Aug 25 17:58:19 <halfhalo-work> the binary itself?
Aug 25 17:58:53 <ka6sox> you mean building node itself?
Aug 25 17:59:00 <halfhalo-work> yes
Aug 25 17:59:00 <ka6sox> I thought you already worked out how to do that.
Aug 25 17:59:14 <ka6sox> so you should have a makefile
Aug 25 17:59:26 <halfhalo-work> building is done, but going from that to binary in ipk is what I was wondering about
Aug 25 17:59:56 <ka6sox> how is that different from a compiled C binary?
Aug 25 18:00:14 * ka6sox trying to learn.
Aug 25 18:00:36 <halfhalo-work> its not.
Aug 25 18:01:30 <ka6sox> its a headless app right?
Aug 25 18:03:11 <halfhalo-work> all it is is a little binary that can be installed on the local system, similar to optware stuff.  In fact, optware would most likely be a better place for it.
Aug 25 18:13:33 <ka6sox> the Optware Makefile is quite simple to use
Aug 25 18:14:19 <ka6sox> even *I* can make that work.
Aug 25 18:21:33 <crimsonredmk> i gotta package up the damn archlinux chroot >.<
Aug 25 20:47:51 <dtzWill> apparently people are playing with onscreen keyboards http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/292457-tutorial-how-get-ubuntu-touchpad-4.html
Aug 25 20:47:59 <dtzWill> but i don't WANNA troll p|c forums in case someone does something useful
Aug 25 20:48:00 <dtzWill> lol
Aug 25 20:48:00 <dtzWill> :(
Aug 25 20:48:33 <NuttyBunny> just monitor them ;)
Aug 25 20:50:03 <dtzWill> someone email me if that update seems to break things for everyone O:)
Aug 25 20:50:03 <dtzWill> lol
Aug 25 23:14:34 <dtzWill> pushed X 0.7.5, should help keymapping issue.
Aug 25 23:14:56 <dtzWill> except i'm a nub and didn't push tags--so autobuilder couldn't find it.  it'll just go through on next tick right? :)
Aug 25 23:15:27 <scoutcamper> *facepalm
Aug 25 23:16:49 <ka6sox> dtzWill, yup
Aug 25 23:17:03 <dtzWill> YAY trackig #'s for tp's
Aug 25 23:17:08 <dtzWill> scoutcamper: i know, right? >.<
Aug 25 23:17:16 <dtzWill> was just trying to push quick fix during break, heh :/
Aug 25 23:17:30 <ka6sox> di ut
Aug 25 23:17:45 * scoutcamper drugs dtzWill and takes his TP's that onSale cheated him out of
Aug 26 02:58:29 <rrix> DownByTheRiver: having fun over thar? :P
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