**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 06 02:59:58 2012 Feb 06 03:29:46 destinal, ebayed a poppery2 Feb 06 03:33:56 destinal, and just removed the blown heat breaking in my air crazy Feb 06 03:34:58 PuffTheMagic: cool, I've had awesome luck with two poppery II's, first one was solid performer for 3 years Feb 06 03:35:34 (still using second) Feb 06 03:37:45 now i just need to find my solder Feb 06 03:54:49 the air crazy is back in business Feb 06 03:55:06 PuffTheMagic: nice Feb 06 04:36:51 destinal, http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanhope/6827687681/ Feb 06 04:53:13 Brybry, is there anything left you think you might commit in the next hour or so Feb 06 04:53:23 if not i want to get a new beta release out there Feb 06 04:54:43 * Brybry pushes Feb 06 04:55:28 darn, missed a debugging call Feb 06 04:59:29 ok, there. done Feb 06 05:00:01 I'm a light roast guy Feb 06 05:00:19 (or medium roast) Feb 06 05:01:16 i like all, but being my first roasts i want to see if I could get the whole spectrum of roasts with out metldowns :D Feb 06 05:01:45 * halfhalo doesn't do coffee Feb 06 05:01:49 blew the heatbreaker on my popper, which is now replaced with a thick solid wire Feb 06 05:02:06 halfhalo, weirdo Feb 06 05:02:18 yup. Feb 06 05:02:32 gimme mah cocacola Feb 06 05:04:19 even for breakfast? Feb 06 05:04:36 yup Feb 06 05:05:57 ka6sox, rwhitby is there a way to set device restrictions, not just webos version restrictions, in the autobuilder? Feb 06 05:10:21 hmm, that's not good Feb 06 05:10:29 wterm crashes when it's closed Feb 06 05:10:36 let me make sure that's not something I just did Feb 06 05:10:42 why did u do that Feb 06 05:10:59 I don't think I did it =x Feb 06 05:11:03 I just noticed in logs! Feb 06 05:11:21 PuffTheMagic: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards Feb 06 05:11:30 DeviceCompatibility Feb 06 05:11:49 ok, maybe it was something I did Feb 06 05:12:41 yup, found it Feb 06 05:12:55 rwhitby, thanks Feb 06 05:13:50 for real this time done with commits =x Feb 06 05:14:15 halfhalo, wishes it was original original formula... Feb 06 05:14:23 rwhitby, i dont see the TP in that list, is it TouchPad or Touchpad? Feb 06 05:15:01 I was trying to be nice and remove my service callback on sdlcore shutdown but I guess it doesn't like that for some reason or PDL gets shutdown before that and I didn't notice Feb 06 05:15:03 * Brybry shrugs Feb 06 05:15:29 no need to clean that up on shutdown Feb 06 05:15:40 PuffTheMagic, do you have any device restrictions now for pre2? Feb 06 05:16:23 I have to wonder if our opengl errors are related to your issues with other devices Feb 06 05:16:58 I'm pretty sure they're why color doesn't work on the pre3 Feb 06 05:17:03 PuffTheMagic: linux/remove-android/Makefile:DEVICECOMPATIBILITY = [\"TouchPad\"] Feb 06 05:17:18 rwhitby, so basically what the webos would report Feb 06 05:17:28 ka6sox, ya, im going to allow TP and Pre3 in beta feed, and everything else in alpha Feb 06 05:17:37 Brybry, what do u mean color doesnt work Feb 06 05:18:32 maybe my term was off Feb 06 05:18:41 PuffTheMagic, good plan(tm) Feb 06 05:19:50 ok, yeah, that was a false alarm Feb 06 05:21:42 I guess the opengl errors only happen at shutdown so maybe they don't actually matter/are normal Feb 06 05:22:15 pushed Feb 06 05:25:48 0.3 999 Feb 06 05:34:13 you need more nines in that version number Feb 06 05:35:54 rwhitby, next one Feb 06 05:35:58 9999 Feb 06 05:36:24 appinfo is already at 0.4.0, so these are like RCs Feb 06 05:36:46 PuffTheMagic's 99999 plan Feb 06 05:37:18 * rwhitby did courses on five-nines back in my Motorola days Feb 06 05:39:45 lol Feb 06 05:42:03 5.26s of wTerm down time Feb 06 05:53:56 PuffTheMagic: ooh you got some vienna roast peaberry too Feb 06 05:54:25 looks like full city, full city+ or french roast, and the last one vienna Feb 06 05:55:13 err fc, fc+, vienna Feb 06 05:55:14 PuffTheMagic: http://www.sweetmarias.com/roasted.pict-guide.php Feb 06 05:59:30 damnit Feb 06 05:59:32 Brybry, sdl/sdlcore.cpp:243: error: 'PDL_GetError' was not declared in this scope Feb 06 06:00:00 destinal, really, u consider the first one full city? Feb 06 06:00:04 ummm Feb 06 06:00:09 how come it compiles for me =x Feb 06 06:00:30 nfc Feb 06 06:00:35 autobuilder is picky Feb 06 06:00:44 destinal, first one looks like city roast to me Feb 06 06:00:52 the peaberry looks close to fully city Feb 06 06:00:52 it includes pdl.h Feb 06 06:00:55 what more could it want Feb 06 06:01:15 the last one is mix fully city / Vienna Feb 06 06:02:30 destinal, thats a nice visual guide those Feb 06 06:02:46 not a necessary line or anything but still Feb 06 06:03:01 destinal, so you have ordered from sweetmarias before... im thinking about getting my next batch from them since idk where i will get beans locally Feb 06 06:08:03 umm, want me to just remove that error checking? It wasn't necessary/just informative Feb 06 06:12:23 ya remove the error Feb 06 06:13:23 interesting, build.git's libpdl/PDL.h doesn't have that Feb 06 06:15:10 pushed Feb 06 06:22:49 PuffTheMagic: yeah sweet marias has always been great for me, and you can get bags with one-way valves for your roasted beans there etc Feb 06 06:23:00 as well as samplers to try new kinds Feb 06 06:26:46 Brybry, all we could just then update libpdl Feb 06 06:27:29 Brybry, u said wterm built for you, arent you using build.git? Feb 06 06:27:34 nope! Feb 06 06:29:13 I use the HP SDK, it's the same toolchain after all Feb 06 06:30:03 I have build.git set up kind of sorta Feb 06 06:30:43 Brybry, revert your fix, i will update build.git pdl Feb 06 06:34:23 done Feb 06 06:38:53 rwhitby: have u had a chanc to test drive wterm? Feb 06 06:39:33 Brybry: hmmm, vkb clicks only work on my first term/card Feb 06 06:42:15 ka6sox: i take it no complaits from your frinds is still a good thing... Feb 06 06:42:17 hmm Feb 06 06:42:20 that's odd Feb 06 06:42:26 yes, that is true Feb 06 06:43:00 they default to true/on so even if the service call were failing/only calling for the first card they should play Feb 06 06:43:15 ka6sox: 0.4.0 passes nearly every vttest Feb 06 06:43:54 atleast all that exterm does, maybe more Feb 06 06:44:01 you're right though Feb 06 06:44:03 how did I miss that Feb 06 06:46:04 exists pre-my code Feb 06 06:46:30 Brybry: wasnt blaming you Feb 06 06:46:32 so I guess the pdk tries to create a new handler on the new card init and it isn't allowed to Feb 06 06:46:41 I know you weren't :) Feb 06 06:46:47 just noting so we can figure out why Feb 06 06:47:52 hmmm Feb 06 06:48:18 would static help Feb 06 06:48:21 or Feb 06 06:48:40 we could make direct ls cLLS| Feb 06 06:48:59 instead of using pdl Feb 06 06:49:07 or go back to js Feb 06 06:49:20 I have the code for liblunaservice client stuff Feb 06 06:49:35 but that is a heavier hand than I would like Feb 06 06:49:48 its not heavy Feb 06 06:49:52 and we'd have to generate LS handler names for each card Feb 06 06:49:56 you have to link like 4535345 more things Feb 06 06:50:27 big deal, they are a;reasy on the tp Feb 06 06:50:29 and also add a thread or timer or something to handle the gthread Feb 06 06:50:39 hmmmm Feb 06 06:50:47 -llunaservice -lglib -lcjson -lmjson -lgoodfork -lgthread Feb 06 06:51:05 I have it on github somewhere, I'll show you Feb 06 06:51:08 it's not a big deal Feb 06 06:51:10 we can do it Feb 06 06:51:12 ya ya, i pioneerd the ls stuff ;) Feb 06 06:51:13 just be nice if we didn't have to Feb 06 06:51:51 in y ver early ls code i didnt usw thread Feb 06 06:52:30 what about staric methpds, would that help? Feb 06 06:54:13 don't sit on your bt keyboard, the touchpad doesn't like it Feb 06 06:54:37 I bet Feb 06 06:54:38 umm, I don't think static methods would work but I guess we could try it Feb 06 06:56:25 PuffTheMagic: Nice camera, btw Feb 06 06:56:27 here's where I implemented liblunaservice client stuff: https://github.com/Brybry/wTerm/blob/experimental/src/plugin/sdl/sdlcore.cpp#L138 https://github.com/Brybry/wTerm/blob/experimental/src/plugin/sdl/sdlterminal.cpp#L427 (I saw impostah acted like a server but I never saw any examples of simple client) Feb 06 06:56:59 PuffTheMagic: seen a lot of good shots taken on that EOS Rebel lately Feb 06 06:57:36 destinal: i like it Feb 06 06:58:23 everyone I know has a rebel... Once again I'm the oddball with a pentax kx. Feb 06 06:58:25 we could also just do it in JS, I dunno what's best Feb 06 06:58:51 iirc js sounds had issues if you triggered multiple ones at the same time Feb 06 06:59:40 halfhalo: i went with the bodywith the most lenses Feb 06 06:59:51 hah Feb 06 07:00:25 Mine came with a 18-50 and a 55-200, then I stole a 30 from a friend Feb 06 07:01:04 mine came with no lense Feb 06 07:03:11 I only went with the kx because of its low light performance. at the time it was pretty much the best in its pricerange at the time. I pretty much only use it for conferences where that is important. Feb 06 07:04:58 halfhalo: i got a body with no lense so that icouldgt a good fast low light lense Feb 06 07:05:55 ah Feb 06 07:06:10 yeah, I stole http://www.amazon.com/Sigma-Autofocus-Digital-Cameras-Package/dp/tech-data/B006GPOH48 from a friend. its freaking nice. Feb 06 07:06:29 i only have 1 50mm/1.4f Feb 06 07:06:46 thinking aboutgetting a wide angle soon Feb 06 07:06:53 18 or 22mm Feb 06 07:07:32 0.3.999 is in the feeds Feb 06 07:20:49 its alpha or beta? Feb 06 07:20:51 ls-hubd: {ls-hubd.public}: Unable to find fd: 45 in connected_clients hash, client: 0x44818, service_name: "(null)", unique_name: "(null)" Feb 06 07:20:53 beta Feb 06 07:21:44 I'd give a couple of king cakes to have libpdl source right about now Feb 06 07:31:38 maybe rwhitby can put in a requst for that Feb 06 07:40:52 I wish I knew how I broke build.git Feb 06 07:41:02 uh oh. Feb 06 07:41:18 I had it working at one point and now I get an error about not being able to find kernel sources when I try to make toolchain Feb 06 07:41:20 which is a pack of lies Feb 06 07:41:22 lieeeees Feb 06 07:41:31 ha Feb 06 07:41:41 you need kernel sources for? Feb 06 07:41:49 oh Feb 06 07:41:50 right Feb 06 07:41:50 nm Feb 06 07:42:09 I have no idea, fuse? Feb 06 07:42:43 I've done some terrible things to this ubuntu vm Feb 06 07:43:01 like accidentally installing arm libncurses to / :D Feb 06 07:43:47 Brybry, nuke/pave Feb 06 07:44:03 bbl...I need to "attempt" sleep. Feb 06 08:31:24 yay, my build.git works again, mostly :D Feb 06 09:22:05 Brybry: actually i want to put the sdk fake key stuff into a separate file sometime (it is webos specific after all) Feb 06 09:23:25 but right now we have many race conditions in the pdk callbacks (they are run in a different thread than sdl itself), so i guess that should be fixed before Feb 06 09:24:07 i want to add an "AsyncJob" and a "SyncJob" class, where the latter can be used to wait for the result Feb 06 14:44:02 stbuehler, for the async events just create a USER events and attach the params struct to it Feb 06 14:44:23 that way when it gets handled it can call jsreply on it Feb 06 14:52:44 uhm Feb 06 14:52:56 i doubt it works that way Feb 06 14:53:18 did you try that? Feb 06 14:55:29 i used to do that with lunaservice Feb 06 14:55:35 thats how subscriptions work Feb 06 15:01:24 you cannot call jsreply from another thread, at least not without waiting in the callback function until the call happened Feb 06 15:01:57 and if i sync the waiting, i can just return real values and let the callback do the jsreply stuff Feb 06 15:02:12 the real solution would be to use async call style from javascript Feb 06 16:31:31 destinal_, wow the price of the sweet maria's sampler is pretty good, 20 for 4lbs? thats cheap Feb 06 16:43:26 PuffTheMagic: yeah you have to remember you lose some weight in roasting but yup, it's a pretty good deal Feb 06 16:44:07 weight is lost or the become less dense? Feb 06 16:44:13 s/the/they/ Feb 06 17:04:58 so, you two have me interested Feb 06 17:05:10 I am getting like $8-$10 grand pretty soon here.... Feb 06 17:05:19 what all would I need to get into bean roasting? Feb 06 17:05:37 pop corn popper Feb 06 17:05:43 with side vents Feb 06 17:05:48 I already have a grinder (well, a crappy blade one), and a drip coffee maker as well as a french press Feb 06 17:05:53 west bend poppery 2 on ebay Feb 06 17:06:04 or the air crazy (new one) which i got Feb 06 17:06:16 though i have a popper 2 coming from ebay in the next few days Feb 06 17:06:36 didn't you have to do some stuff to yours recently though to make it get hot enough? Feb 06 17:06:41 cryptk: yeah this is cheap stuff. $20 for a popcorn popper (I strongly recommend ebaying a west bend poppery II on ebay, they don't make them like they used to) and $5-8 / pound for beans Feb 06 17:07:14 ok, and what is the big benefit of roasting them yourself vs. getting whole bean coffee that is already roasted? Feb 06 17:07:16 cryptk:then just get some one way valved (for escaping CO2) foil lined bags and you're good Feb 06 17:07:22 cryptk, only needed for darker roasts (my mod that is) Feb 06 17:08:05 cryptk, i bent a metal ladle (with wood handle) and I press it over the popping chamber to trap in heat Feb 06 17:08:18 the poppery2 gets up to 1200 watts Feb 06 17:08:22 the new air crazy is 1050 Feb 06 17:08:23 ok, but still... why? why roast your own beans? Feb 06 17:08:53 have u ever had fresh roasted beans? like at a coffee place that roasts them selves Feb 06 17:08:55 cryptk: for one, green coffee ages incredibly slowly, you can keep it on a shelf for a year or more and it's still fresh. It's mainly once it's roasted and the oils brought out that it goes stale. Also why DIY anything? you can get just the right kinds of coffee at just the right degree of roast that you like, Feb 06 17:09:21 cryptk: and yeah the next day after roasting they're way better than a week after roasting or a month after like starbucks can be Feb 06 17:09:50 "for one, green coffee ages incredibly slowly, you can keep it on a shelf for a year or more and it's still fresh" Feb 06 17:09:54 that's what I was looking for Feb 06 17:10:24 ^^ taste is a good reason too ;) Feb 06 17:11:19 ok, so I need th popcorn popper (west bend poppery II) and some one way valve foil bags Feb 06 17:11:22 cryptk: plus I find experimenting with degrees of roast is awesome, until recently starbucks only really sold vienna and french roasts Feb 06 17:11:28 where do I get those bags at though? Feb 06 17:11:44 sweet maria Feb 06 17:11:46 http://sweetmarias.com/ Feb 06 17:12:12 cryptk: and there are samplers of all kinds of green coffee to see what you like Feb 06 17:12:15 none of the people in the picture on that website look happy Feb 06 17:12:29 cryptk: lol because coffee is supposed to be "serious" don't you know :P Feb 06 17:12:39 dis iz srs bzness Feb 06 17:13:18 cryptk: http://www.sweetmarias.com/airpop/airpopmethod.php Feb 06 17:13:25 also, do either of you have a conical grinder? A.K.A. a "real" grinder? Feb 06 17:13:29 http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee/samplers/green-coffee-sampler.html?source=side Feb 06 17:13:35 or do you just use blade grinders? Feb 06 17:13:54 conical burr Feb 06 17:14:14 is sorta mandatory for frenchpress Feb 06 17:14:16 cryptk: blade. but I've heard Baratza Maestro is a good inexpensive-ish burr grinder Feb 06 17:15:50 i have a Capresso Infinity, love it Feb 06 17:20:06 I just watched the how to video on using the poppery II Feb 06 17:20:11 seems pretty easy Feb 06 17:20:34 I don't mind a little sludge in the bottom of french press coffee Feb 06 17:20:37 let me rephrase that Feb 06 17:20:41 I tolerate a little Feb 06 17:20:50 I would really prefer if I had a conical grinder though Feb 06 17:21:00 the grind from a blade grinder is all over the place Feb 06 17:21:11 the only even grind you can get from one is "super fine" Feb 06 17:21:22 if you try for anything else, you will have a wide range Feb 06 17:21:27 i like having a knob to set grind time Feb 06 17:21:30 yep Feb 06 17:21:34 i fill up my grinder and let it go Feb 06 17:21:41 I plan to get a nice grinder with my tax/bonus money Feb 06 17:21:50 and while its doing that i can fill the water and what not in my drip Feb 06 17:22:18 I honestly don't even use my drip anymore Feb 06 17:22:20 I prefer the press Feb 06 17:22:59 cryptk, i used to prefer press until i got a technivorm Feb 06 17:24:11 the Moccamaster makes the best coffee hands down Feb 06 17:24:35 about how much does one of those cost though? Feb 06 17:24:58 2 fire sale TP 32g Feb 06 17:25:05 lol Feb 06 17:26:44 haha, you traded for it? nice Feb 06 17:26:53 no Feb 06 17:27:09 i just was embarrassed to say how much they cost Feb 06 17:27:15 mine is actually a hand me down Feb 06 17:28:02 i have a moccamaster cd, which does not have a thermal craft Feb 06 17:28:22 uncle gave it o me when he upgraded to the newer one Feb 06 17:29:42 cryptk: yeah for espresso you may need a nicer grinder, the one I linked to seems to be focused on drip coffee Feb 06 17:30:04 only real negative feedback is people going for really fine grinds Feb 06 17:30:13 destinal, I don't have an espresso machine ;) Feb 06 17:30:21 just a drip and a french press Feb 06 17:30:27 yeah press is probably fine Feb 06 17:30:44 I find that for a press, I like a medium-ish grind Feb 06 17:30:54 maybe slightly on the fine side of medium Feb 06 17:31:12 basically, as small as you can get it without it going through the screen Feb 06 17:35:53 cryptk: just realized I chose the wrong wording. press is probably acceptable / decent from that grinder, lol Feb 06 17:36:16 haha, I knew what you meant Feb 06 17:36:31 I was saying that if that grinder has issues with super fine/espresso grind, that would be OK with me Feb 06 17:36:35 since I don't use super fine Feb 06 17:36:44 cryptk: I like aeropress Feb 06 17:36:52 my response was to your comment on the negative feedback ;) Feb 06 17:37:37 cryptk, another reason to roast.... its fun Feb 06 17:37:39 hrm, interesting Feb 06 17:37:51 so the aeropress pushes the water through the coffee into the cup Feb 06 17:37:53 aeropress is like $23, really portable, doesn't get sludge into your cup and produces some of the best coffee I've ever had Feb 06 17:37:59 (when used properly) Feb 06 17:38:01 rather than the coffee through the water like most Feb 06 17:38:20 cryptk: right Feb 06 17:38:29 basically an upside-down press Feb 06 17:38:48 cryptk: but the concept is a bit different given the pressure and microfilter thing Feb 06 17:39:42 yeah Feb 06 17:39:50 ooh now I wonder if I can 3d print one of these things :) (not that they're expensive) Feb 06 17:39:56 hahaha Feb 06 17:40:09 guess the plunger would make it a bit challenging to get a perfect seal Feb 06 17:41:02 destinal: i take it the AeroPress filters are proprietary and have to be replaced all the time? Feb 06 17:41:36 PuffTheMagic: it comes with a lot of them and I've bought new filters like once? a pack is a lot of them Feb 06 17:41:47 and they're cheap Feb 06 17:42:40 destinal: a lot being ? Feb 06 17:42:45 yeah so $5/free prime shipping for 350 of them Feb 06 17:42:46 100? 1000? Feb 06 17:43:05 so like a month of coffee ;) Feb 06 17:43:18 lol Feb 06 17:43:35 a month.... Feb 06 17:43:47 thats 1 cup @ Charbucks. Feb 06 17:45:12 ka6sox: lol re sbux, I noticed they started selling a "blonde" coffee that's full city or full city + Feb 06 17:45:32 when they're calling fairly dark roasts "blonde" that says something about their regular roast Feb 06 17:46:46 "Char" Feb 06 17:47:33 okay so did someone hook up an old Pre- to a coffeemaker and get it to run it? Feb 06 17:47:43 PuffTheMagic: starbucks roasts about to third crack, wouldn't you say? (third crack btw = flame) Feb 06 17:47:57 ka6sox: that would be awesome, we need webos coffee makers Feb 06 17:48:13 right now coffee only fuels webos development, it could also be powered by it Feb 06 17:48:27 its that circle of life thing Feb 06 17:50:15 destinal, lets make an app that controls some timers and servos... Feb 06 17:50:23 to control the whole thing Feb 06 17:50:49 it turns on the popper, uses a camera to gauge the color of the roast for when to turn it off Feb 06 17:50:58 servo dumps it into a collender Feb 06 17:51:24 electric motor spins the colander in one direction a few rotations, then reverses, to air it out Feb 06 17:51:27 etc Feb 06 17:51:31 we could make this happen ;) Feb 06 17:51:35 LOL Feb 06 17:51:51 cryptk: actually we could just put the heat element on a relay or mosfet Feb 06 17:52:04 and leave the fan running after turning heat off Feb 06 17:52:09 ahh Feb 06 17:52:20 so a relay for power to the whole thing, and another for just the heating element Feb 06 17:52:27 exactly Feb 06 17:52:54 hmm and for degree of roast maybe just PID control and holding temps like a reflow oven controller Feb 06 17:53:12 that could work Feb 06 17:53:40 have to admit a camera and visual identification is tempting, but also hard Feb 06 17:53:46 destinal, ya i like ka6sox's Charbucks Feb 06 17:53:54 def nothing less than vienna Feb 06 17:54:28 cryptk: I wonder how hard it would be to hack an infrared thermometer to microcontroller control? Feb 06 17:54:45 the problem with an IR thermo, there is lots of hot air in there Feb 06 17:54:49 wouldn't that mess with it? Feb 06 17:54:56 yeah I imagine so Feb 06 17:55:05 it would be gaging the temp of the air and not of the beans Feb 06 17:55:46 cryptk: but yeah, I could see hooking a palm pixi to a microcontroller for the extra pins and realtime stuff Feb 06 17:55:53 they're dirt cheap these days Feb 06 17:56:29 ka6sox: do we know where to find an I2C bus on solder pads on pixi Feb 06 17:57:18 ka6sox: I have a pixi with a dead touchscreen I'd donate to teardown Feb 06 17:58:56 cryptk: who's the best person to ask about kernel drivers in use on pixi and what stuff might already be using i2c? Feb 06 17:59:00 jhojho? Feb 06 17:59:04 sconix? Feb 06 17:59:13 probably jhojho or uNiX Feb 06 18:00:50 cryptk: all we really need is a couple of pins from i2c and 5v and ground, a $2 attiny can do the heavy lifting Feb 06 18:01:00 yep Feb 06 18:03:13 destinal, im working on a project right now that uses a pixi and an arduino Feb 06 18:03:23 but im using bluetooth between them Feb 06 18:03:30 bt chips are dirt cheap Feb 06 18:03:43 PuffTheMagic: how cheap are we talking? Feb 06 18:04:37 destinal, 15-25 depending on the range/power Feb 06 18:04:39 PuffTheMagic: plus, one major issue actually. webOS 1.x has really limited BT support Feb 06 18:05:07 destinal, its limited wrt official APIs Feb 06 18:05:12 but it still has serial support Feb 06 18:05:24 PuffTheMagic: oh ok, got any docs on how? Feb 06 18:06:15 i will have to dig out my notes Feb 06 18:06:21 i started this before xmas and its been on pause Feb 06 18:06:50 I can get new pixi pluses on amazon cheaper than an LCD touchscreen, it's crazy Feb 06 18:09:47 destinal, too bad u cant use a 2.0 device with the bt serial stuff exposed as official api Feb 06 18:10:24 PuffTheMagic: well once open webos is here we can come up with official ways to run that on pixi Feb 06 18:10:45 well, if you are connecting to it over BT rather than soldering to the mainboard Feb 06 18:10:50 you could do it on anything Feb 06 18:11:00 since it won't require modifications to the device to do it over BT Feb 06 18:11:08 do it with a TP, Pre2, Pre3, whatever Feb 06 18:11:22 cryptk: yeah, just pull out your primary phone and run the app, no need for dedicated hardware. still though Feb 06 18:11:41 yeah, since it is connecting over BT, there are no device mods needed Feb 06 18:12:03 and if you have it connected over WiFi instead of BT, then you could kick off a coffee roast while on your way home from work Feb 06 18:12:17 get home, it's ready Feb 06 18:12:55 cryptk: well, for connecting to embedded stuff over wifi, a hardwired or BT pixi dedicated to being physically there still makes economic sense Feb 06 18:13:07 yep Feb 06 18:13:12 wifi -> microcontroller stuff is pricey Feb 06 18:13:29 have the pixi connect to the roaster over BT, and expose itself over HTTP Feb 06 18:14:52 cryptk: TBH the only reluctance I have is publishing a project that uses it and wiping out the amazon retailers that have this cheap stock :) Feb 06 18:15:01 haha Feb 06 18:15:21 hackaday effect etc Feb 06 18:15:42 if that happened, it would increase webOS awareness though Feb 06 18:15:51 so it may be worth it in the long run ;) Feb 06 18:15:52 wifi also sucks more power Feb 06 18:16:02 the mini ardurino and bt i have run on 3v Feb 06 18:16:10 PuffTheMagic, if there is a pixi dedicated to running it, you can leave it plugged in Feb 06 18:16:49 cryptk, oh u saying pixi to pixi not pixi to somethng else? Feb 06 18:17:18 Coffee (BT) > (BT) pixi (WiFi) > Something else Feb 06 18:17:25 PuffTheMagic: well you could have the pixi wired to power as a BT to wifi bridge Feb 06 18:17:28 the pixi controls the coffee over BT Feb 06 18:17:39 and you connect to the pixi over WiFi Feb 06 18:17:43 so you can get longer range Feb 06 18:17:51 and if you port forward in your router, global range Feb 06 18:18:00 hence, fire off a roast as you are leaving work Feb 06 18:18:14 well i went with the arduino because I needed a usb host controller that can talk to my camera Feb 06 18:18:43 PuffTheMagic: what arduino has USB host? Feb 06 18:19:05 destinal, there is a breakout shield that add usb host Feb 06 18:19:24 http://www.circuitsathome.com/products-page/arduino-shields/usb-host-shield-2-0-for-arduino/ Feb 06 18:19:34 i have the mini one Feb 06 18:19:34 http://www.circuitsathome.com/products-page/arduino-shields/usb-host-shield-for-arduino-pro-mini/ Feb 06 18:20:48 ah, nice Feb 06 18:21:43 PuffTheMagic: can't wait until allwinner A10 EOMA68 card comes out Feb 06 18:22:08 ~$35 for a full cortex-a8 box with USB OTG and mini-HDMI Feb 06 18:22:13 hopefully Feb 06 18:22:39 i cant wait for the rasp-pi's to be 25 and available Feb 06 18:22:59 PuffTheMagic: ehh, but raspi is way underpowered by comparison Feb 06 18:23:51 PuffTheMagic: should be here in a week or two though at least Feb 06 18:44:21 PuffTheMagic: the A10 version of this card, I want to run open webos on http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68 Feb 06 19:46:11 cmatrix crashes in ncurses... Feb 06 19:46:34 but somehow i don't get a backtrace as it "terminates" cmatrix immediately Feb 06 19:48:25 destinal, when those things come out, I will definitely get one and help you out in getting webOS on it Feb 06 19:49:16 cryptk: yeah webos polymorphic webos device, tablet, netbook, desktop, set top box. it will be teh awesome Feb 06 19:49:29 we must make it happen (once there's a board) Feb 06 19:50:23 http://nopaste.info/b08b54ce0c.html - cmatrix segfault bt Feb 06 19:50:30 destinal, depending on the licenses, we could release freely the stuff needed to put webOS on it, as well as sell ones that already have it installed ;) Feb 06 19:51:12 if the card costs ~$35 then we can sell ones with webOS already on them for $50 Feb 06 19:51:23 as well as make the stuff needed to do it yourself freely available of course Feb 06 19:51:37 since it is FOSS after all Feb 06 19:51:42