**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 07 02:59:58 2012
Feb 07 08:52:13 * Brybry investigates pre3 focus/period key == backspace/sym key
Feb 07 08:59:33 <Brybry> PuffTheMagic: sometimes on first startup the keyboard layout on the pre3 is messed up/error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'large' of undefined, src/enyo/wterm_app.js:190
Feb 07 08:59:56 <Brybry> I haven't looked into it yet but I suspect the resize handler calls refresh()->setupKeyboard() before rotationLockReponse() calls createVKB()
Feb 07 15:59:16 * Brybry grumbles about blank KeyboardEvents
Feb 07 16:02:12 <stbuehler> just pushed first step of namespace stuff :)
Feb 07 16:33:01 * ka6sox grumbles about buttah being more like Sludge....
Feb 07 16:35:10 <destinal> ka6sox: what's buttah again?  all I can remember about it is the rodlike name
Feb 07 16:35:31 <ka6sox> its a tablet responsiveness patch
Feb 07 16:35:46 <ka6sox> but its more like baked motor oil
Feb 07 16:35:53 <destinal> lol
Feb 07 16:38:49 <PuffTheMagic> im gonna put in an order for a raspberry_pi
Feb 07 16:48:41 <Brybry> on the pre3 it looks like our lost keydowns/ups are being sent to enyo.PopupLayer/enyo._popuplayer but I suspect that's just because they're not being caught by wTermApp
Feb 07 16:48:52 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: didn't realize they were taking preorders yet
Feb 07 16:49:00 <PuffTheMagic> i dont think they are
Feb 07 16:49:07 <PuffTheMagic> i thought they were cause they tweeted prices
Feb 07 17:00:14 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, have u thought about moving the key repeat code into js
Feb 07 17:00:19 <PuffTheMagic> so we can do all the sounds from js
Feb 07 17:00:53 <PuffTheMagic> and so we can fix the multiple card sound issue
Feb 07 17:03:34 <Brybry> not too much, though I did it in JS once a while back
Feb 07 17:03:36 <Brybry> https://github.com/Brybry/wTerm/commit/508a1d863427b92563544b1193d155a391f94be7
Feb 07 17:04:32 <Brybry> though I see a typo in that code :D
Feb 07 17:05:29 <Brybry> keyrepeat in C is just so silky smooth :(
Feb 07 17:05:37 <Brybry> especially now with stbuehler's timers
Feb 07 17:07:08 <PuffTheMagic> so how we gonna fix the sound issue?
Feb 07 17:07:39 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, i suppose we could calls into js
Feb 07 17:07:44 <PuffTheMagic> that then trigger sound
Feb 07 17:08:25 <Brybry> I've been looking at pre3 focus/period/sym key stuff first =x
Feb 07 17:09:13 <Brybry> I dunno of a better way to handle period/dot other than a special case in fakeKeyPress (same for ctrl really)
Feb 07 17:10:04 <PuffTheMagic> i was thinking of a hack like that too
Feb 07 17:10:09 <Brybry> and I haven't figured out why these blank keyboard events gets sent (because if they weren't blank then pre3 key input would work perfectly/just like bt keyboard input on the touchpad)
Feb 07 17:10:41 <PuffTheMagic> so u have witnessed the null/0 events in SDL?
Feb 07 17:10:58 <Brybry> yeah, the period hack wouldn't affect anything else because you can check both the sym and the unicode for that ONE case (no other key event is going to be unicode 127 AND sym 190)
Feb 07 17:10:59 <Brybry> yeah
Feb 07 17:11:04 <Brybry> we actually still get those
Feb 07 17:11:29 <Brybry> they just have nothing for us to process so we don't notice them
Feb 07 17:11:44 <PuffTheMagic> i dont get why people have vkb issues on the pre3
Feb 07 17:11:52 <PuffTheMagic> mine always starts up looking right :/
Feb 07 17:12:00 <Brybry> I mentioned it earlier
Feb 07 17:12:46 <PuffTheMagic> ahh only when its landlscape this happens
Feb 07 17:13:04 <Brybry> or at least I know there's a JS error in there that can happen
Feb 07 17:15:16 <PuffTheMagic> stupid resize handler
Feb 07 17:20:55 <PuffTheMagic> this._vkbStyle is not getting set
Feb 07 17:23:10 <Brybry> when I gave it just a quick glance it looked like setupKeyboard() could call before wTermApp::rotationLockReponse() called createVKB()
Feb 07 17:23:18 <Brybry> but I didn't look too hard
Feb 07 17:23:38 <PuffTheMagic> i pushed a fix
Feb 07 17:24:13 <PuffTheMagic> there was actually 2 bugs
Feb 07 17:24:18 <Brybry> in chrome I have to manually enyo.$.wTermApp.createVKB() :D
Feb 07 17:24:44 <PuffTheMagic> 1 caused by resizeHandler getting called before rotationLockResponse
Feb 07 17:25:02 <PuffTheMagic> the other was this._vkbStyle not getting set
Feb 07 17:42:07 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, highlight
Feb 07 17:42:08 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Feb 07 17:50:37 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, fixed period key
Feb 07 17:52:40 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, when u said ctrl issues
Feb 07 17:52:51 <PuffTheMagic> which key are u talking about orange or sym?
Feb 07 17:54:19 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, i am almost thinking that if sym is alt
Feb 07 17:54:24 <PuffTheMagic> we should use period for ctrl
Feb 07 17:54:41 <PuffTheMagic> if someone presses period twice in a row it acts send a period
Feb 07 17:54:56 <PuffTheMagic> but if they press . and another key make it behave like ctrl
Feb 07 17:56:05 <destinal> lame
Feb 07 17:56:15 <PuffTheMagic> destinal, better idea?
Feb 07 17:57:20 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: I'd make alt the obscure key, how often do you use it?
Feb 07 17:57:41 <PuffTheMagic> destinal, all the time now that I use irssi
Feb 07 17:57:59 <PuffTheMagic> i suppose which key is which could be a option in the prefs
Feb 07 17:58:05 <PuffTheMagic> doesnt need to be hard coded
Feb 07 18:00:38 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: I would probably use orange for control and @ for alt but that's just me I guess
Feb 07 18:00:45 <PuffTheMagic> nope
Feb 07 18:00:53 <PuffTheMagic> orange is in use
Feb 07 18:01:05 <PuffTheMagic> providing access to all the 2nd row symbols
Feb 07 18:01:18 <destinal> err I think I meant sym
Feb 07 18:01:30 * destinal needs coffee
Feb 07 18:02:29 <PuffTheMagic> destinal, of all the keys can send printable chars, the period key is the only one that has just 1 char
Feb 07 18:02:35 <PuffTheMagic> it has no shift variant
Feb 07 18:02:40 <PuffTheMagic> and no orange variant
Feb 07 18:02:47 <PuffTheMagic> it would be the easiest to repurpose
Feb 07 18:03:26 <PuffTheMagic> every other key has 2 chars with a shift variant for each so 4 possible printable chars
Feb 07 18:03:35 <destinal> yeah but   .  is  so relatively common to use
Feb 07 18:04:29 <destinal> at least you'd have to make orange  + .  do period and/or  shift  + . do period
Feb 07 18:04:33 <destinal> not the dot dot thing
Feb 07 18:04:47 <PuffTheMagic> on a term u use period often?
Feb 07 18:04:55 <PuffTheMagic> sure orange+dot could be dot
Feb 07 18:05:06 <destinal> filenames, irssi, text editing
Feb 07 18:05:18 <PuffTheMagic> what does . do in irssi?
Feb 07 18:05:25 <destinal> punctuation?
Feb 07 18:05:27 <destinal> :)
Feb 07 18:05:43 <PuffTheMagic> ya i some how dont see that
Feb 07 18:05:45 <PuffTheMagic> ;)
Feb 07 18:05:57 <PuffTheMagic> ! and ? and , are only punctuation used
Feb 07 18:06:05 <destinal> trying to type  "yeah..."  with double dots is   dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot
Feb 07 18:06:24 <PuffTheMagic> orange+. is a good idea
Feb 07 18:06:34 <PuffTheMagic> but period is still the best key to repurpose
Feb 07 18:07:08 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: yeaeh I mean in a shell I use a lot of orange+ keys a lot so it's not really worse
Feb 07 18:20:02 <PuffTheMagic> destinal, so period=ctrl, sym=alt or the other way around?
Feb 07 18:20:03 <Brybry> PuffTheMagic, umm cd ..
Feb 07 18:20:15 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, orange+. = .
Feb 07 18:20:17 <PuffTheMagic> its working well
Feb 07 18:20:24 <PuffTheMagic> i've mapped orange to meta
Feb 07 18:20:32 <PuffTheMagic> since we dont use meta
Feb 07 18:20:47 <PuffTheMagic> we dont use it on the normal vkb
Feb 07 18:21:00 <PuffTheMagic> so it we can use it as a special key on the hw keyboards
Feb 07 18:21:53 <PuffTheMagic> i just dont know what the first go at period and sym should be
Feb 07 18:22:03 <PuffTheMagic> should it mimic left or right side of keyboard
Feb 07 18:22:13 <PuffTheMagic> ctrl alt (left)
Feb 07 18:22:18 <PuffTheMagic> alt ctrl (right)
Feb 07 18:23:13 <Brybry> and sym *used* to be control but then we broke it but it doesn't really matter to me :)
Feb 07 18:23:49 <PuffTheMagic> when did it break?
Feb 07 18:23:52 <PuffTheMagic> i can make it ctrl again
Feb 07 18:23:58 <PuffTheMagic> that would match right side layout
Feb 07 18:24:37 <Brybry> when we were playing with input the bt input syms/code got pulled into keypress at one point
Feb 07 18:24:57 <PuffTheMagic> idk what you mean by that
Feb 07 18:25:29 <Brybry> and then I think I pulled it back into wterm/sdlterminal and then eventually it got removed from fakekeypress again
Feb 07 18:25:58 <Brybry> like we have HP_BT_PLUGIN_CTRL enums and such
Feb 07 18:26:00 <Brybry> for syms
Feb 07 18:26:09 <PuffTheMagic> idk
Feb 07 18:26:14 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, test out my last commit
Feb 07 18:26:19 <PuffTheMagic> let me know what u think
Feb 07 18:26:41 <PuffTheMagic> . = alt, sym = ctrl, orange = meta, meta+. = .
Feb 07 18:27:22 <Brybry> the phone keyboard input is pretty much identical to bluetooth input in terms of key input values for things, it would all work perfectly if not for those null/0 keyevents :(
Feb 07 18:27:50 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, cant really do anything about that right now though
Feb 07 18:27:58 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, ping
Feb 07 18:29:52 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, hey what do u think of this idea, run wterm in fullscreen, provide our own button to emulate the app menu, then we can put window title in the are where the top bar used to be
Feb 07 18:30:23 <ka6sox> PuffTheMagic, pongish?
Feb 07 18:30:46 <ka6sox> armv7a-vfp-neon
Feb 07 18:30:59 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, i was curious if 1) you had a chance to test input on the pre2 like I asked and 2) are you still working on a help scene?
Feb 07 18:32:10 <ka6sox> 1) I had other issues with this pre2, now fixed but haven't tested
Feb 07 18:32:31 <ka6sox> 2) yes, but slowly as I've gotten pulled into a builder project.
Feb 07 18:32:46 <ka6sox> (which has a deadline of next tuesday)
Feb 07 18:33:14 <PuffTheMagic> thanks, just curious
Feb 07 18:37:11 <Brybry> PuffTheMagic, the fullscreen idea sounds interesting though I have to wonder if people will miss the system tray stuff/if maybe we should make it an option (if that's even possible)
Feb 07 18:38:04 <PuffTheMagic> ya it would be an option of course
Feb 07 18:39:23 <Brybry> is that titlebar space even used for anything ever in webos? (on the left side)
Feb 07 18:41:16 <Brybry> you keep commiting into an orientation branch :(
Feb 07 18:47:59 <PuffTheMagic> shit
Feb 07 18:48:26 <PuffTheMagic> fixed ;)
Feb 07 18:51:08 <Brybry> I wonder what SDLK_WORLD_30 is used for in a legit sense
Feb 07 18:54:58 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, in webos context or in a more general sense
Feb 07 18:56:12 <Brybry> in a webos SDL sense
Feb 07 18:56:54 <Brybry> like if I made a key with that as a sym normally what would it display D:
Feb 07 18:57:10 <PuffTheMagic> it wouldnt display anything
Feb 07 18:57:31 <PuffTheMagic> i mean, it would only display something if it had a unicode value attached
Feb 07 18:57:38 <PuffTheMagic> and on webos that is 127
Feb 07 18:57:53 <Brybry> 190!
Feb 07 18:58:57 <Brybry> but, yeah, I guess basically I'm asking what unicode would normally be attached to that
Feb 07 18:59:43 <PuffTheMagic> nothing
Feb 07 18:59:55 <PuffTheMagic> its a free key for what ever you want
Feb 07 19:00:04 <Brybry> I guess if it's like the other SDL keys it would be ASCII 190/yen/yuan sign?
Feb 07 19:00:30 <PuffTheMagic> maybe
Feb 07 19:12:46 <Brybry> oh, if you don't like your event.key.keysym.scancode bit we can use event.key.which (it's actually supposed to be used for that I believe)
Feb 07 19:13:32 <Brybry> we probably should initialize that anyway =x (and event.key.state but I need to make sure that doesn't break anything)
Feb 07 19:28:52 <scoutcamper> anyone here on 11.10 and have a few min to try setting up build.git?
Feb 07 19:29:44 <scoutcamper> specifically, make toolchain
Feb 07 19:31:15 <Brybry> I think that's what my VM is on and I got tired of dealing with it and just commented out the bits in the makefile that were failing (fuse and some other things)
Feb 07 19:35:00 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: so does wTerm keep up with you on a bluetooth keyboard at this point?
Feb 07 19:35:21 <PuffTheMagic> keep up with me?
Feb 07 19:35:44 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: ie is it as useable as a shell on a regular linux box
Feb 07 19:36:05 <destinal> graphical terminal, xterm, what have you
Feb 07 19:37:03 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: main reason I ask, is I see potential in webos on netbooks / laptops and otherwise "real computers" and I think wterm is pretty critical for that use case
Feb 07 19:37:12 <destinal> more so than with a tablet or phone even
Feb 07 19:37:35 <PuffTheMagic> destinal, wTerm is faster than almost 2/3 of normal desktop terms
Feb 07 19:37:46 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: nice
Feb 07 19:39:14 <PuffTheMagic> demolithion, http://martin.ankerl.com/2007/09/01/comprehensive-linux-terminal-performance-comparison/
Feb 07 19:39:15 <PuffTheMagic> err
Feb 07 19:39:17 <PuffTheMagic> destinal, ^^
Feb 07 19:39:31 <PuffTheMagic> check out the graph on that page
Feb 07 19:39:40 <PuffTheMagic> first note that the wterm listed there is out our wterm
Feb 07 19:40:00 <PuffTheMagic> but the test was done on ATI Radion Mobile 9600 with fglrx driver, and a Pentium M with 1.5 GHz.
Feb 07 19:40:15 <PuffTheMagic> if I put my TP in portrait mode, and set to 1.18ghz
Feb 07 19:40:19 <PuffTheMagic> and 8pt font
Feb 07 19:40:29 <destinal> nice
Feb 07 19:40:30 <PuffTheMagic> it does the benchmark on 2.7s
Feb 07 19:40:43 <PuffTheMagic> which is faster than more than half of that list
Feb 07 19:40:47 <PuffTheMagic> with a slower cpu
Feb 07 19:41:12 <PuffTheMagic> gnome-term and konsole cheat, they only udpate like 4 times a second
Feb 07 19:41:34 <PuffTheMagic> thats how they can get 1/4s
Feb 07 19:42:05 <PuffTheMagic> and according to that benchmark, xterm sucks ass
Feb 07 19:42:13 <PuffTheMagic> slow and huge waste of mem
Feb 07 19:42:21 <destinal> yeah
Feb 07 19:49:32 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, i dont think we need to spend any time moving that scancode stuff right now cause im not even sure we can keep sounds in C
Feb 07 20:29:52 <destinal> ka6sox: do you know anything about the LCD interface on a palm pre? wouldn't it be possible to hook a serializer to the RGB digital pins and connect an LVDS screen or even a DVI / HDMI encoder?
Feb 07 20:37:27 <ka6sox> there is some informatoin on it int the kernel's board.c
Feb 07 20:37:46 <ka6sox> but its not something that I have full knowledge of.
Feb 07 20:44:08 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: before i implement highlight i want to fix the race conditions from pdl jscalls to sdl
Feb 07 20:48:41 <Brybry> didn't you say for a lot of them that we just have to make the calls async from the JS side?
Feb 07 20:50:42 <Brybry> hmm, I guess most of them already are
Feb 07 20:52:57 <stbuehler> well
Feb 07 20:53:07 <stbuehler> i think most return values aren't actually needed
Feb 07 20:53:15 <stbuehler> the rest should me made async, yes
Feb 07 20:53:37 <stbuehler> then the calls should send events instead of calling methods of wTerm
Feb 07 21:43:58 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, so to do async between js and C wouldnt we need like, a hash table on the jsside to store callback function,
Feb 07 21:44:12 <PuffTheMagic> then C could just call a js function with the data and the hashkey
Feb 07 21:49:21 <Brybry> I thought callPluginMethodDeferred was already async, PDL_CallJS  is also supposed to be async, no idea on PDL_JSReply
Feb 07 21:49:40 <Brybry> of course the PDK docs could lie
Feb 07 21:50:22 <halfhalo> you can try to port https://github.com/substack/dnode into the c layer, it would handle alot of stuff for you
Feb 07 21:55:55 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, the deferred method is just for when the plugin isnt ready
Feb 07 21:56:02 <PuffTheMagic> as in, not yet started
Feb 07 21:56:22 <Brybry> oh, I assume it meant like, not yielding or something
Feb 07 21:56:49 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo, dnode is a waste of time for us
Feb 07 21:57:49 <Brybry> I'm sort of confused what we're even have a race condition with
Feb 07 22:01:21 <PuffTheMagic> hmm
Feb 07 22:01:32 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, ya i dont really know either
Feb 07 22:09:47 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, think this wonky chars older devices issue can get fixed before you finish your race condition and refactoring changes?
Feb 07 22:12:22 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, cause it affects the pre2/pre+/pre-/veer
Feb 07 22:12:31 <PuffTheMagic> err
Feb 07 22:12:36 <PuffTheMagic> maybe not the veer
Feb 07 22:12:56 <PuffTheMagic> but actually the screen corruption on the veer might be an issue
Feb 07 22:13:49 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: can, yes :)
Feb 07 22:13:57 <stbuehler> playing dota atm
Feb 07 22:14:55 <stbuehler> the race conditions are that we call methods from the jscall-handler thread
Feb 07 22:15:04 <stbuehler> which is not the same thread as the main SDL one
Feb 07 22:15:41 <stbuehler> i think there is only one SDL thread-safe function, SDL_PushEvent
Feb 07 22:15:57 <stbuehler> everything else we do is racy (ok, perhaps reading integers is no problem)
Feb 07 22:19:12 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, ok well if you can I would appreciate you fixing that asap so I can get these other keyboard changes out there for all the people complaining, it would also let us move wterm out of alpha for the remaining phones
Feb 07 22:19:27 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, Brybry do you guys know about this
Feb 07 22:19:29 <PuffTheMagic> luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.display/control/setProperty '{"onWhenConnected":true}'
Feb 07 22:19:38 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ my favorite command :D
Feb 07 22:20:02 <Brybry> does that stop it from bloody turning off the display when on power?
Feb 07 22:21:13 <PuffTheMagic> yup
Feb 08 00:27:16 <cryptk> PuffTheMagic, destinal so, I think I have decided, when I finally get the tax return, Poppery II, and a nice grinder
Feb 08 00:27:28 <cryptk> anything else that you coffee freaks think I should have?
Feb 08 00:27:46 * cryptk hasn't decided what grinder... but may want to get one that will do a nice espresso grind
Feb 08 00:28:19 <PuffTheMagic> cryptk: u can get a popper2 now
Feb 08 00:28:38 <PuffTheMagic> ;) they dont exactly break the bank
Feb 08 00:29:03 <cryptk> except my bank is already broke, lol
Feb 08 00:30:06 <PuffTheMagic> cryptk: how big is your frenchpress?
Feb 08 00:30:28 <cryptk> not that big, enough for one normal size cup of coffee
Feb 08 00:31:24 <PuffTheMagic> i was gonna suggest a vaccume bottle if u had a larger one
Feb 08 00:31:52 <PuffTheMagic> vacuume
Feb 08 00:32:01 <cryptk> actually I have one of those
Feb 08 00:32:03 <cryptk> I use it for tea
Feb 08 00:33:14 <cryptk> has a thing that sits in the top that holds the tea, pour hot water through that until it's full
Feb 08 00:33:38 <cryptk> although I usually make my tea in my steeper and then pour it into the vacuum bottle
Feb 08 00:35:21 <PuffTheMagic> i have one of those 1l french presses so i pour that into the vacuum bottle when its done
Feb 08 00:37:32 <cryptk> you said you have a nice grinder right?
Feb 08 00:37:36 <cryptk> or was that destinal ?
Feb 08 00:38:03 <PuffTheMagic> ya i got a nice one
Feb 08 00:38:14 <PuffTheMagic> bought it last xmas with some gift money
Feb 08 00:38:57 <cryptk> about how much does a "nice, but not necessarily something you would find at charbucks" grinder go for?
Feb 08 00:39:28 <PuffTheMagic> well i got mine in a store cause I was using a gift card, it could have been cheaper online im sure
Feb 08 00:39:38 <cryptk> $400?
Feb 08 00:39:47 <cryptk> I know they aren't cheap
Feb 08 00:39:53 <PuffTheMagic> nope
Feb 08 00:40:02 <PuffTheMagic> it about the same price actually
Feb 08 00:40:16 <PuffTheMagic> you are looking around 80
Feb 08 00:40:21 <PuffTheMagic> capresso infinity is what i got
Feb 08 00:40:37 <PuffTheMagic> any conical burr is what you should look for
Feb 08 00:40:40 <cryptk> so about $40 for the poppery, about $80 for the grinder
Feb 08 00:40:46 <PuffTheMagic> no
Feb 08 00:40:51 <PuffTheMagic> like 20 for the poppery
Feb 08 00:41:31 <PuffTheMagic> well depends on shipping
Feb 08 00:41:46 <PuffTheMagic> i found one for 15/ buy now for 20
Feb 08 00:41:51 <PuffTheMagic> then 10 for shipping :/
Feb 08 00:41:57 <PuffTheMagic> i hate dicking with bids
Feb 08 00:43:04 <PuffTheMagic> LOL
Feb 08 00:43:22 <PuffTheMagic> my pre3 keeps makin the terminal audible bell sound
Feb 08 00:43:37 <PuffTheMagic> was confused cause the screen was off and i wasnt using it
Feb 08 00:43:41 <PuffTheMagic> so i looked
Feb 08 00:43:51 <PuffTheMagic> stupid powerd spam
Feb 08 00:46:51 <cryptk> haha
Feb 08 00:54:01 <dwc-> I have this /usr/local/bin/wall
Feb 08 00:54:13 <dwc-> with exit 0 in it
Feb 08 00:55:49 <cryptk> yeah, powerd spams the console a ton
Feb 08 00:55:56 <cryptk> PuffTheMagic, you a tea drinker at all?
Feb 08 00:56:26 <PuffTheMagic> i drink green tea when i get sushi, but I dont really make it
Feb 08 00:57:05 <PuffTheMagic> too many beverages to enjoy in this world
Feb 08 01:00:47 <cryptk> heh, I am a huge fan of the black tea I have... taste like an andes mint, about $100/lb ish
Feb 08 01:03:35 <PuffTheMagic> dont think i ever had black tea
Feb 08 01:04:31 <dwc-> chocolate and mint?
Feb 08 01:05:32 <dwc-> http://www.adagio.com/green/dragonwell.html I like that one... but I imported my own and don't drink it fast enough
Feb 08 01:06:14 <dwc-> they don't sell the first pickings outside the country
Feb 08 01:11:04 <cryptk> just checked my tin, it's about $60/lb, they just fit more than a lb in the tin ;)
Feb 08 01:11:13 <cryptk> so it isn't that expensive after all
Feb 08 01:11:18 <cryptk> http://www.teavana.com/the-teas/black-teas/p/cacao-mint-black-tea
Feb 08 01:11:27 <cryptk> ^^ that's the tea I'm talking about ^^
Feb 08 01:11:41 <cryptk> I have some dragonwell here also
Feb 08 01:14:20 <dwc-> so they have actual peppermint and hazelnut and cocoa?
Feb 08 01:14:28 <dwc-> it's not just infused
Feb 08 01:55:51 <cryptk> dwc-, yep
Feb 08 01:55:57 <cryptk> there are little bits of chocolate etc in it
Feb 08 01:56:03 <cryptk> all kinds of stuff in it
Feb 08 01:57:05 <cryptk> it's basically black tea with minty chocolate in it and little bits of hazlenut
Feb 08 02:40:56 <cryptk> PuffTheMagic, I'm looking at the capresso infinity grinders... looks really nice
Feb 08 02:41:15 <cryptk> and the stainless steel one will blend in with the rest of my kitchen nicely ;)
Feb 08 02:41:45 <PuffTheMagic> you wont be disapointed
Feb 08 02:46:30 <cryptk> and the reviews that I am saying state that it can do a nice fine espresso grind as well
Feb 08 02:46:42 <cryptk> which is nice, because eventually I will buy another espresso machine
Feb 08 02:46:52 <cryptk> (the ex took the espresso machine in the divorce...)
Feb 08 02:47:16 <PuffTheMagic> oh yeah
Feb 08 02:47:52 <PuffTheMagic> it does powder to boulders
Feb 08 02:48:47 <cryptk> a little procy for the stainless one (looks to be about 100-110) but with the tax return it won't be a big deal
Feb 08 02:48:53 * cryptk is all giddy for good coffee now
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