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Feb 15 04:19:11 <scoutcamper> can anyone build ubuntu-oneiric-chroot in build/nonworking?
Feb 15 04:36:48 <halfhalo> building qt==convoluted
Feb 15 04:42:06 <halfhalo> I _think_ its actually building right now though
Feb 15 04:45:54 <halfhalo> huzzah.  it _is_ building.  after about an hour of figuring out its dependencies (libglib-dev threw me for a loop)
Feb 15 04:47:03 <rwhitby> halfhalo: wiki page?
Feb 15 04:47:33 <halfhalo> going to happen as soon as this build finishes.
Feb 15 04:52:25 <halfhalo> once its done I'm just going to pull a list of the packages installed, grab the ones I installed for this, and make the wiki page
Feb 15 05:07:40 <halfhalo> freetype is not wanting to play nice with its header file right now
Feb 15 05:18:24 <halfhalo> ok, got past the gui stuff, hopefully nothing else is needed
Feb 15 05:21:31 <scoutcamper> halfhalo, buiulding qt on ubuntu? or mac?
Feb 15 05:29:38 <halfhalo> ubuntu
Feb 15 05:31:00 <halfhalo> built for x86 at least
Feb 15 05:35:14 <halfhalo> time to make a list of all the packages needed
Feb 15 06:41:18 <destinal_> halfhalo: you got it building?  can you document the process somewhere?|
Feb 15 06:41:22 <destinal_> ie wiki?
Feb 15 06:41:29 <halfhalo> doing that now
Feb 15 06:41:45 <destinal_> halfhalo: did you manage to update a webos device or emulator?
Feb 15 06:42:26 <halfhalo> only got x86 atm since I don't have an arm compiler installed, but adding -emulator arm should do it
Feb 15 06:43:02 <destinal_> halfhalo: sure but I mean did you try installing your built version into the emulator "device" or anything?
Feb 15 06:43:47 <destinal_> really awesome that they gave us something complete enough to actually build
Feb 15 06:43:50 <halfhalo> not yet, mostly because I dunno what prefix to give it for that.
Feb 15 06:44:08 <halfhalo> yeah, was a pain hunting down all the dependencies, but its possible
Feb 15 07:05:32 <halfhalo> Requested 'libsoup-2.4 >= 2.37.2.1' but version of libsoup is 2.36.0 srsly... srsly webkit
Feb 15 07:13:23 <halfhalo> aaannnddd just entered the realm of backporting packages for webkit
Feb 15 07:41:54 <halfhalo> ok, i managed to screw up my dependencies badly enough to need to start over.  Tomorrow I will do that and finish the list of all the packages needed for boht webkit and qt
Feb 15 15:21:13 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo, u could look at the gentoo builds to see all of their deps
Feb 15 15:21:23 <PuffTheMagic> for qt and what not
Feb 15 15:21:27 <PuffTheMagic> they are all clearly defined
Feb 15 15:26:59 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo, have u even gotten to qtwebkit or are u till on qtcore and other stuff
Feb 15 15:44:26 <halfhalo> PuffTheMagic I'm just grabbing what palm's script wants, which theoretically is what is needed to build the rest of isis
Feb 15 15:57:32 <cryptk> am I the only one that tries to tell servers to shitdown every now and then?
Feb 15 15:57:39 <cryptk> as if they could ever shitup
Feb 15 17:06:48 <destinal_> cryptk: heh, have flubbed keys but never u->i on that one
Feb 15 17:07:14 <cryptk> I do it ALL the time
Feb 15 17:07:24 <cryptk> shitdown -h now, lol
Feb 15 17:07:59 <cryptk> so much so that on my work dev box I have shitdown alias'd to shutdown, so it works either way, lol
Feb 15 17:09:08 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Feb 15 17:09:23 <PuffTheMagic> u would think with how often i say shit i would do that too
Feb 15 17:09:55 <PuffTheMagic> im in a talk about economics, cognitive science and quantum physics
Feb 15 17:10:06 <PuffTheMagic> and the guy giving the presentation is using transparencies
Feb 15 17:10:07 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Feb 15 17:21:48 <destinal_> PuffTheMagic: lol
Feb 15 18:01:54 <halfhalo> have a list of all the qt configure prereqs for x86 at least.  now for the fun part
Feb 15 18:03:07 <destinal_> halfhalo: did you say you had a wiki page?
Feb 15 18:03:33 <halfhalo> ya, its on the wosi wiki
Feb 15 18:03:41 <halfhalo> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/QTWebkit
Feb 15 18:03:49 <halfhalo> still a very much wip  though
Feb 15 18:23:49 <destinal_> halfhalo: if you can document a step by step build process I know there are folks who'd love to test it
Feb 15 18:24:19 <halfhalo> right now its essentially install deps, run the palm configure script, then make.
Feb 15 18:24:39 <destinal_> halfhalo: and can all deps be gotten on ubuntu with apt-get?
Feb 15 18:24:59 <halfhalo> yeah, on 11.10 x64
Feb 15 18:25:05 <halfhalo> which is what I'm testing on
Feb 15 18:25:21 <halfhalo> all the deps for the palm config script are there right now
Feb 15 18:25:49 <destinal_> so apt-get install ia32-libs libgl1-mesa-dev libglib-dev libc6-dev-i386 libsqlite3-dev g++-multilib binutil-multiarch libglib2.0.0 libglib2.0-dev libsqlite-dev sqlite libxext-dev libgl1-mesa-dev x11proto-gl-dev  libfreetype6 libfreetype6-dev  bison autoconf gperf libicu-dev libgail-3-dev libsoup2.4-dev
Feb 15 18:25:59 <destinal_> fun
Feb 15 18:26:05 <destinal_> configure make? that easy
Feb 15 18:26:07 <destinal_> ?
Feb 15 18:26:36 <halfhalo> for qt palm has a script that sets some things for configure
Feb 15 18:26:41 <halfhalo> but essentially, yes
Feb 15 18:26:42 <destinal_> ah
Feb 15 18:26:49 <halfhalo> fighting freetype again
Feb 15 18:26:51 <halfhalo> bleh
Feb 15 18:28:59 <halfhalo> fun fact.  make clean doesn't always work.
Feb 15 18:29:24 <destinal_> halfhalo: hmm, is there a make distclean?
Feb 15 18:29:38 <halfhalo> not until qmake spits out a makefile
Feb 15 18:29:47 <destinal_> ahh qmake
Feb 15 18:29:54 <halfhalo> until then I just rm qmake/*.o
Feb 15 18:29:57 <destinal_> right
Feb 15 18:30:22 <destinal_> halfhalo: so is this just Qt or have you built the other projects too?
Feb 15 18:30:31 <halfhalo> this is just qt so far
Feb 15 18:30:50 <halfhalo> webkit was wanting newer glib stuff and I screwed up the deps badly
Feb 15 18:31:56 <halfhalo>  freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory I am going to stab something right now
Feb 15 18:37:10 <PuffTheMagic> destinal_, put my first order in to SM
Feb 15 18:39:37 <halfhalo> freetype can die in a fire
Feb 15 18:41:53 <destinal_> PuffTheMagic: cool
Feb 15 18:44:03 <halfhalo> sweet.  thing I got that dep.  now it should just die due to lack of gdb and all is well
Feb 15 19:13:24 <Brybry> so does stuff on device right now use WebKitLuna and the novel thing about Isis is that it uses QtWebKit?
Feb 15 19:14:05 <destinal_> Brybry: I think Luna itself is linked to Qt in 3.x
Feb 15 19:14:20 <Brybry> yeah, I see Qt libs
Feb 15 19:14:33 <Brybry> but I don't see Qt's implentation of Webkit
Feb 15 19:14:36 <Brybry> (on device)
Feb 15 19:14:45 <destinal_> ah
Feb 15 19:14:47 <Brybry> granted my find-fu could be missing it
Feb 15 19:16:12 <Brybry> so I imagine some libs will have to be copied over when Isis is installed (or statically linked)
Feb 15 19:16:29 <destinal_> Brybry: I think what we should do, is look at the system level ipks
Feb 15 19:16:45 <destinal_> we should be able to build an ipk and stamp a later version # on it
Feb 15 19:16:55 <destinal_> and then just upgrade
Feb 15 19:17:17 <destinal_> ie no reason not to use the built in package management functionality
Feb 15 23:09:11 <dwc-> holy crap, when did QT get to be so freakign huge
Feb 15 23:09:32 <dwc-> oh, their default download is their entire SDK............
Feb 15 23:10:03 <LarrySteeze> 20 years ago
Feb 15 23:10:25 <LarrySteeze> yeah...
Feb 15 23:10:34 <dwc-> no... because I remember building qt 1.4 or so
Feb 15 23:16:49 <dwc-> well this feels a little recursive
Feb 15 23:17:10 <dwc-> isis -> palm's WebKit
Feb 15 23:17:19 <dwc-> -> wants qt 4.8 or later
Feb 15 23:17:31 <dwc-> unpacking qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.8.0.tar.gz
Feb 15 23:17:48 <PuffTheMagic> so did Palm go megalithic
Feb 15 23:17:56 <PuffTheMagic> or did they just include qt-webkit?
Feb 15 23:18:09 <dwc-> -> see qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.8.0/src/3rdparty/webkit
Feb 15 23:18:19 <PuffTheMagic> gross
Feb 15 23:21:12 <dwc-> I can't help but wonder how much of qt 4.8 they actually need
Feb 15 23:26:05 <PuffTheMagic> qt-webkit depends on qt-xmlpatterns, qt-gui and qt-core
Feb 15 23:31:37 <halfhalo> ok, samwich time then hunting down that last gui dependency
Feb 15 23:31:50 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo, 1 sec
Feb 15 23:32:21 <PuffTheMagic> qt-gui depends on
Feb 15 23:32:55 <PuffTheMagic> fontconfig, freetype, libpng, zlib, jpeg, qt-core, qt-script
Feb 15 23:33:29 <dwc-> well, I mean I built qt4.8 but didn't have gstreamer headers so it's disabling the video
Feb 15 23:33:32 <PuffTheMagic> those are the non-optional ones
Feb 15 23:33:53 <halfhalo> I'm talking about the minimum needed to build qt according to palm's scripts
Feb 15 23:33:53 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, right, u can actually gstreamer, vlc or xine
Feb 15 23:34:08 <dwc-> but I mean webkit I already know uses libpng, zlib, etc itself
Feb 15 23:34:20 <halfhalo> There is just one stupid dependency left between freetype and opengl
Feb 15 23:34:31 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Feb 15 23:34:37 <dwc-> so was just wondering how much of the base qt they use beyond just building the qtwebkit
Feb 15 23:35:05 <PuffTheMagic> look at what is installed on the TPO
Feb 15 23:35:06 <PuffTheMagic> TP
Feb 15 23:35:18 <dwc-> oh hey, I forgot I have 4 cores on this box
Feb 15 23:35:26 <halfhalo> hah
Feb 15 23:35:27 * dwc- builds faster
Feb 15 23:36:49 * halfhalo looks at i5 in air and says "good enough for mobile"
Feb 16 00:02:25 <destinal_> halfhalo: i5 in air?
Feb 16 00:02:34 <halfhalo> yup
Feb 16 00:02:41 <halfhalo> 1.7GHz dual core with HT
Feb 16 00:04:01 <destinal_> halfhalo: "in air" = levitating?  flying?
Feb 16 00:04:10 * destinal_ doesn't get the reference
Feb 16 00:05:32 <Brybry> macbook air
Feb 16 00:05:38 <LarrySteeze> apple
Feb 16 00:13:36 * scoutcamper clobbers halfhalo's macbbok air with his i72600k desktop
Feb 16 00:18:01 <dwc-> HT doesn't count
Feb 16 00:18:30 <dwc-> halfhalo probably has a liquid nitrogen cooled super overclocked i7 in his desktop
Feb 16 00:20:45 <PuffTheMagic> sure HT counts
Feb 16 00:20:51 <PuffTheMagic> HT is fucking amazing
Feb 16 00:31:57 <halfhalo> quad core i5@4.5GHz thankyouverymuch
Feb 16 00:34:33 <halfhalo> not that I can use it to build right now though, home internet is being stupidly slow again
Feb 16 00:36:20 <PuffTheMagic> i have to use googles DNS
Feb 16 00:36:25 <PuffTheMagic> TimeWarners sucks
Feb 16 00:36:42 <halfhalo> I'm pretty sure my modem is going
Feb 16 00:37:05 <halfhalo> If I reset it it normally jumps back up to 15-30/2
Feb 16 00:37:34 <halfhalo> But I don't want a new one since TW is going to shove a wideband modem/wifi combo thing down my throat
Feb 16 00:45:12 <halfhalo> router reboot did not help :/
Feb 16 00:47:45 <Brybry> can't you just buy your own?
Feb 16 00:47:49 <Brybry> as long as it's on their 'approved' list
Feb 16 00:48:12 <Brybry> you are kind of hitting prime time usage though, your node may just be getting hammered
Feb 16 00:49:59 <halfhalo> Nope, not anymore, and my node is generally empty, letting me hit 30 down with speedboost (I pay for 15, but since there is no other traffic, it pretty much stays at 30)
Feb 16 00:50:02 <halfhalo> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1775770766.png
Feb 16 00:54:15 <destinal_> halfhalo: nice!
Feb 16 00:54:42 <destinal_> 0.09m/s
Feb 16 00:55:02 <PuffTheMagic> cryptk|offline, u order a poppery 2 yet?
Feb 16 00:55:48 <destinal_> halfhalo: 0.09 (megabits per second) = 92.16 kilobits per second
Feb 16 00:56:25 <destinal_> so, uh, better than single channel ISDN! :)
Feb 16 00:58:41 <halfhalo> wth?  Why is there a device with 192.168.1.254 on my network...
Feb 16 01:01:21 <destinal_> halfhalo: im in ur network, eating up ur bandwidths
Feb 16 01:02:05 <rwhitby> nom nom nom
Feb 16 01:04:48 <destinal_> halfhalo: seriously, you know wifi security is a joke right now right?   it's not me but easily could be someone using a tool called reaver that cracks even WPA on anything that can negotiate keys via WPS
Feb 16 01:04:56 <halfhalo> seriously... ssh is lagging?  That takes what, one bit?
Feb 16 01:05:23 <destinal_> halfhalo: http://www.tacnetsol.com/news/2011/12/28/cracking-wifi-protected-setup-with-reaver.html
Feb 16 01:05:47 <dwc-> single-channel ISDN should be 64kbps
Feb 16 01:06:00 <halfhalo> destinal_ Its not someone in my network. (WPA2, plus I have one of the routers that secures itself against the WPS attack by crashing WPS.  Works great)
Feb 16 01:06:18 <destinal_> halfhalo: ah nice, ok, just so you knew about it
Feb 16 01:07:13 * PuffTheMagic makes webos reaver app :D
Feb 16 01:08:14 <destinal_> PuffTheMagic: heh that would be cool but you need to set your device somewhere for many hours and power it that long.  maybe like hide it on a charger in cafe or business
Feb 16 01:08:37 <halfhalo> pixi in glove box with usb charger
Feb 16 01:08:38 <dwc-> 192.168.1.254 sounds like a default gw for a number of routers
Feb 16 01:11:23 <destinal_> halfhalo: yeah, park somewhere, go walk to the movies, get some dinner, come back
Feb 16 01:11:41 <halfhalo> ahhh... much better http://www.speedtest.net/result/1775797579.png
Feb 16 01:12:19 <dwc-> only one friend I know has WPS on a router... the rest of us have older ones that Just Work Better
Feb 16 01:18:03 * Brybry is halfhalo's neighbor with a 1.4Ghz cordless phone or a shitty microwave
Feb 16 01:21:41 <halfhalo> That only happened with the last router when I was out in the kitchen.  the microwave killed everything.
Feb 16 01:21:46 * dwc- puts the 900mhz phone next to the 2.4ghz microwave
Feb 16 01:23:13 <Brybry> need a 5Ghz phone too
Feb 16 01:23:17 * halfhalo pets his lte hotspot
Feb 16 01:23:30 <Brybry> gotta make sure N stays down ^_^
Feb 16 01:27:19 <halfhalo> heh
Feb 16 01:27:29 <halfhalo> modem is completely offline right now
Feb 16 01:27:50 <dwc-> whee, my qt4.8 is done building
Feb 16 01:28:00 <halfhalo> palms qt?
Feb 16 01:28:19 <dwc-> no, the qt4.8 that qt-webkit claims to want to even try to buidl
Feb 16 01:30:57 <halfhalo> ah
Feb 16 01:31:08 <halfhalo> yeah, looks like i found the last dep for palms
Feb 16 01:31:59 <dwc-> Project MESSAGE: Building WebKit2 with Qt versions older than 5.0 is not supported. Disabling WebKit2.
Feb 16 01:32:23 <dwc-> ... seriously? wtf. why didn't you tell me that instead of bitching about 4.8 or newer
Feb 16 01:32:26 <halfhalo> dundun
Feb 16 01:33:16 * dwc- wonders whether palm is using webkit2
Feb 16 01:33:45 <dwc-> must not
Feb 16 01:33:54 <dwc-> "The source code of the Isis Browser stack, QtWebKit, and Qt 4.8 is available on GitHub where we will continue our development."
Feb 16 01:34:10 <dwc-> otherwise they'd have 5, right?
Feb 16 01:35:25 <halfhalo> right
Feb 16 01:35:44 <halfhalo> I would assume their configure script is the min needed to build qtwebkit
Feb 16 01:35:47 <halfhalo> but this IS palm
Feb 16 01:40:26 <dwc-> you're targetting the emulator with your info right?
Feb 16 02:59:17 <halfhalo> annndddd calling TW
Feb 16 02:59:53 <halfhalo> heh.  modem is from 2002.  Might explain some stuff
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