**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 27 02:59:57 2011 Jun 27 05:49:42 dongxiao: ping Jun 27 05:50:32 sgw: pong Jun 27 05:52:01 dongxiao: I would like to chat with you about 3g (see pm) Jun 27 15:09:31 Hmm, a lovely electrical storm is brewing here Jun 27 15:11:54 RP__: I hope all the trees near electrical lines are good in your neck of the woods ;-) Jun 27 15:12:18 tomz: We tend to bury the electrical lines here ;-) Jun 27 15:12:28 * tomz still waits for cable a week after a tree took out power and cable Jun 27 15:12:50 RP__: that's right, you live in the new world ;-) Jun 27 15:12:57 tomz: I saw the photos. Looked a bit of a mess :( Jun 27 15:13:31 RP__: yeah, that's an understatement Jun 27 15:18:22 RP__ we do both here in MN.. Jun 27 15:18:49 newer residential neighborhoods it's buried.. older it's above ground.. our in rural areas it's almost always above ground Jun 27 15:20:04 fray: yeah, we're not in a rural area, just an older one - the houses on our street built in the 1920s Jun 27 15:27:06 My last hour had lines down the center back yards of the homes.. (no alley, but thats where an alley would be if there was one)... but at the end of the street the lines then went under group.. Jun 27 15:27:26 they used to be -all- above ground, but the utility company started burying the trunk lines back in the 80's.. Jun 27 15:27:37 they just won't bury the last few blocks due to cost Jun 27 15:29:26 good morning all Jun 27 15:30:04 I buried my telephone lines while lived there.. but as a home owner, they won't let me bury my own power cables.. the power company has to do it.. Jun 27 15:30:42 (cost me $400 to bury my own telephone lines and a whole lot of work.. then the phone installer guy laughed at me for following NEC when I buried.. but he was impressed that I was thourough..) Jun 27 15:31:26 I bought the demark box myself and had it all setup for him when he got there.. he changed the order from "service hookup" to "disconnected wire".. which avoided the $100 service call.. because I had already done all ofthe work for him.. ;) Jun 27 15:35:22 fray: telephone, cable, everything above ground here. The only thing below ground is grubs ;-) Jun 27 15:36:22 fray: actually, the interesting thing is that we never lost our land-line phone service through the whole thing Jun 27 15:38:22 heh.. ya.. in each block the cable, telephone, power is above ground.. but the trunk lines (for each) are generally below ground.. it turns out that fixes a large number of storm related headaches.. Jun 27 15:38:33 Phone lines here are above ground Jun 27 15:38:56 and for rural installs power cables are often above ground but its pretty rare in general Jun 27 15:39:27 Good Morning All ! Jun 27 15:39:29 here I'd say rural 100% power above ground.. 10% phone above ground.. Jun 27 15:39:43 Too much weather inflicted damage to overhead power cables to make them worth the maintenance cost Jun 27 15:40:03 Phone lines seem to last max 30 years before the cable degrades :/ Jun 27 15:40:04 city.. it's probably around 70% power above ground, 70% phone/cable above ground.. Jun 27 15:40:42 A lot of the phone cable around here (above and below ground) was installed in the 1960's.. Jun 27 15:40:51 prior to that in the 1920's.. Jun 27 15:41:11 power (where I currently live, rural) was installed in the 1930's and 1940's.. and slowly upgraded even since Jun 27 15:41:19 Its all the 70s stuff that is failing here Jun 27 15:41:39 do you guys use armor shielded "gopher" cable for your phone lines? Jun 27 15:41:45 * RP__ suspects his main power cable dates from ~1920 Jun 27 15:41:47 they found that stuff really helps around here.. Jun 27 15:42:14 fray: I'm not sure what that is Jun 27 15:42:36 we have all the cables underground here, but then digging can get into accidents then Jun 27 15:42:36 I don't know for sure.. but I wouldn't be surprised if this farm didn't have power until the '20's or '30's.. most of the farms had generators, but they only ran to operate electrical machinery then were turned off.. Jun 27 15:42:43 let me find a picture Jun 27 15:43:22 http://www.paigeelectric.com/agwire/agwireArmoredTelePhoneCable.aspx Jun 27 15:44:26 fray: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/100M-OVERHEAD-PHONE-CABLE-DROPWIRE-10-BT-SPEC-CW1378-/350220836295 is UK overhead telephone wire Jun 27 15:44:28 fray: now days telephone cables come in fiber optic and then smaller length copper cable from the switch box Jun 27 15:44:35 outside is usually burial and UV resistant plastic. inside of that is a touch plastic coating.. inside of that is a spiral wound ribbon of steel or copper.. (usually around 1 cm wide and overlapping).. inside of that is a seperate plastic sheild.. Jun 27 15:44:36 4 conductors, 3 tensions steels Jun 27 15:44:54 inside of that is a non-conductive "paste" that keeps the water out of the cables.. then the twisted pairs.. Jun 27 15:45:33 if the gopher cables are used above ground they add steel tension cables to them Jun 27 15:45:37 The above cable runs from the poles to the houses, the poles may connect to each other underground with a many core armoured cable though Jun 27 15:46:13 the wire in your picture is the pole -> house wires around here.. but pole to pole and underground is all gopher.. Jun 27 15:46:21 it keeps the squirrels, (gophers) and other rodens out of the wires Jun 27 15:46:36 so it's similar then Jun 27 15:46:49 sounds it Jun 27 15:47:05 only difference for our house to home cables is that they usually use nylon straps instead of the steel tensions cables.. Jun 27 15:47:37 nylon is woven into the outter casing.. then at each end they put on a tension clip that includes a small steel cable for anchoring the line Jun 27 15:48:26 at my last hourse I buried a 3-pair gopher cable.. 18-24 inches deep from pole to house.. at the house end ran it up conduit into a demarc box.. Jun 27 15:48:46 (I still have > 200 feet of 3-pair gopher cable left in my grainery from that...) Jun 27 15:49:38 http://gate.crashing.org/~fray/trench/Trench_1.jpg Jun 27 15:50:03 start of the work.. two trenches.. one for a power line I was running into the yard by that tree/fence.. the other for the phone line.. Jun 27 15:50:43 national electric code says all wires should be 24 inches deep.. (power guy was shocked I did that, he said they usually bury 6 inches).. enforcement of NEC on low-voltage lines is lax around here.. Jun 27 15:51:03 ...and yes, I dug the whole damned thing by hand... Jun 27 15:51:58 http://gate.crashing.org/~fray/trench/Trench_9.jpg Jun 27 15:52:13 demarc on the house.. the one I added and how I hooked it up.. the existing beside it Jun 27 15:52:37 http://gate.crashing.org/~fray/trench/Trench_10.jpg (same as the first picture -- no telephone line running over the tard) Jun 27 15:53:19 http://gate.crashing.org/~fray/trench/Trench_12.jpg pole side.. they just cut the wire running to my house, tacked it down the pole to a new box they put on the side of the pole Jun 27 15:54:05 http://gate.crashing.org/~fray/trench/Trench_13.jpg (inside the box) you can see the difference in the diameter of the cables.. Jun 27 15:55:32 yes :) Jun 27 15:56:19 heh these pictures keep reminding me how "small" that yard was compared to my current yeard.. Jun 27 15:57:10 RP -- which contrib branch are the multilib changes on? Jun 27 16:10:23 fray: You are way handy man :) Jun 27 16:20:12 nitink, I try.. Jun 27 16:20:24 of course.. it's not worth doing unless you can over-do it.. ;) Jun 27 16:20:42 :) Jun 27 16:22:43 fray: I try doing things myself like that sometimes, but I am not as good as you are :) Jun 27 16:23:24 my problem is I run out of time to -finish- a project.. ;) Jun 27 16:23:35 I have a lot of projects that are 3/4 of the way done.. Jun 27 16:23:51 like the garage.. I still have to finish replacing a couple of clapboards.. and then paint.. Jun 27 16:24:07 ...still have to finish trimming some of the underlayment on the roof of the house.. ;P Jun 27 16:24:16 morning all Jun 27 16:40:39 morning dvhart: Jun 27 16:41:12 fray: I also have same situations for some of the work (3/4th done and pending for long time) Jun 27 16:44:05 I'm taking most, if not all, of July off to work on new repairs and finish existing projects (as well as vacation) Jun 27 16:44:43 the corner of the porch on my house is starting to sink.. It looks like the builder (back in the '80s) violated building code and didn't put a footing under the support post.. :P Jun 27 16:44:58 so I'm going to have to re-do the deck, inspect for a footing and "fix it".. Jun 27 16:45:14 (porch roof and corner of the deck have dropped roughly 6 inches.. over a span of about 20 feet.. Jun 27 16:45:28 1-2 inches wold be "normal.." not 6.. Jun 27 16:47:28 fray, sounds like fun :-) Jun 27 16:47:45 * dvhart has the summer dedicated to finishing the lower deck and railings Jun 27 16:47:48 26 posts Jun 27 16:47:54 that number is really intimidating Jun 27 16:54:28 the tech has part of the house foundation under 1/3 of it.. I don't know about the rest.. which worries me.. Jun 27 16:54:46 all of the deck boards have to be pulled off and replaced as well.. they're not "rotten".. but they're really in bad shape Jun 27 16:54:48 "tech" ? Jun 27 16:55:02 the deck Jun 27 16:55:10 (doing too many things at one again) ;) Jun 27 16:55:14 hehe Jun 27 16:55:48 sounds like a good way to spend july to me Jun 27 17:47:12 we have a 30 yr old deck, which really need replacement Jun 27 18:08:40 this is the summer of rotten decks. Jun 27 18:10:26 sounds like back home, the extreme polar weather is taking its toll Jun 27 18:10:43 when the wind doesn't just blow things away (my folks didn't want that fence anyway) Jun 27 18:17:00 I am having trouble to build a sdk to our oe-core based OE Jun 27 18:17:03 OS Jun 27 18:17:14 it seems it is lacking the gcc and so Jun 27 18:17:24 what is the current way to make those sdks ? Jun 27 18:24:14 is there an example where there are multiple git repos in SRC_URI ? Jun 27 18:27:00 nitink, I thought you just did SRC_URI = "git://.... \git://.... \file://..." etc Jun 27 18:27:33 fray: that is what I am doing, but I am getting weird behavior in do_unpack Jun 27 18:27:49 dunno then Jun 27 18:29:35 has anyone used RP's multilib patches yet? I can't figure out the magic to build a multilib package Jun 27 18:29:37 nitink: linux-yocto uses it but it is quite complex Jun 27 18:30:09 otavio: right, I forgot about it Jun 27 18:32:04 linux-yocto is using single git:// url Jun 27 18:32:19 nitink: but with multiple branches Jun 27 18:32:23 don't the additional BSPs use multiples like meta-intel ones? Jun 27 18:32:24 nitink: should be similar Jun 27 18:33:18 anyone able to help me with the meta-toolchain? Jun 27 18:33:29 I am a bit lost on it and this is the lacking part of our OS right now Jun 27 18:33:33 right multiple branches, but that's different and does not seem help with the issue I am seeing Jun 27 18:35:29 I remember seeing some recipe with multiple git:// in src_uri but not able to find it now Jun 27 18:58:46 nitink: the yocto kernel used to, now we support multiple branches of the same repo so it uses that Jun 27 18:59:38 incandescant: that's why I am not finding it now. May be it is issue with my git::/ line syntax Jun 27 19:26:53 for me this git:// syntax is not working: SRC_URI = " \ Jun 27 19:26:53 git://sourceware.org/git/glibc-ports.git;protocol=git;branch=release/2.14/master;tag=glibc-2.14 \ Jun 27 19:26:53 ${GNU_MIRROR}/libidn/libidn-1.22.tar.gz \ Jun 27 19:28:00 It is doing weird thing, instead of cloning git reository it is putting the .bb file in the ${WORKDIR} Jun 27 19:43:41 RP__: there? Jun 27 19:44:31 RP__: I sent some patches (for devshell, done by Chris, and for cmake) that would be nice to have in. Did you look at them? Jun 27 19:51:22 it was the commented out line before SRC_URI line which was affecting SRC_URI Jun 27 21:33:35 * fray didnt realize the ELC-E dead line was in a week.. Jun 27 21:33:40 I need suggestions for topics, anyone? Jun 27 21:53:48 hi Jun 27 22:13:21 hm.. Jun 27 22:13:45 I've not seen any call for papers for ELC-E in celinux-dev as it was done before.. Jun 27 22:25:12 ya.. I just got a reminder from our marketing dept.. Jun 27 22:25:31 hm.. Jun 27 22:25:34 I'm planning on submitting a topic on multilibs.. covering both compatible (i.e. ARM EABI) and incompatible (multiarch) Jun 27 22:25:51 * Jay7 considering about submitting kexecboot talk.. Jun 27 22:25:54 (our marketing dept handles consortia relationships) Jun 27 22:27:18 one year is almost gone from previous ELC-E but I've still done nothing wrt my bad spoken english.. Jun 27 22:27:28 seems there is no sense to submit then.. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 28 00:11:47 2011 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 28 02:59:58 2011