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Jun 04 07:34:57 <gotan> hi.
Jun 04 07:36:28 <gotan> i have a quick question about excluding packages from an image. It must be possible, but  cannot find any documentation on it other than BBMASK.
Jun 04 08:07:42 <bluelightning> morning all
Jun 04 08:09:33 <zenlinux> morning bluelightning
Jun 04 08:09:40 * zenlinux waves from Tokyo
Jun 04 08:09:56 <bluelightning> zenlinux: hey... I was thinking it was late for you :)
Jun 04 08:10:18 <bluelightning> zenlinux: good job on the minnowboard.org intro video btw, just watched it yesterday
Jun 04 08:10:38 <zenlinux> heh, I have another video to post once I get back
Jun 04 08:10:52 <zenlinux> in that one I smile a few times and don't act quite so serious :)
Jun 04 08:11:22 <zenlinux> headed to the Tokyo Hackerspace for a meeting tonight where I'll tell them about Minnow (and a quick Yocto introduction, too)
Jun 04 08:12:03 <bluelightning> zenlinux: this whole hackerspace thing is still a bit new to me... I've been to one and it was in portland, I think maybe you took us there :)
Jun 04 08:12:23 <zenlinux> did I? Or was it maybe Beth?
Jun 04 08:12:34 <bluelightning> can't recall, it was a couple of trips ago
Jun 04 08:12:51 <zenlinux> was it brainsilo - which is in a converted warehouse space in an industrial district
Jun 04 08:13:13 <bluelightning> nah it was something in town... they had bits of PC hanging on the walls :)
Jun 04 08:14:45 <bluelightning> hope you enjoy your time in Japan anyway, I'd love to go there someday
Jun 04 08:15:35 <zenlinux> this is the best trip ever for me. I can't wait to come back
Jun 04 08:17:40 <c00kiemon5ter> "best trip ever" "can't wait to come back" don't go together!
Jun 04 08:18:20 <zenlinux> can't wait to come back to Tokyo, not home :)
Jun 04 08:18:31 <c00kiemon5ter> ah :)
Jun 04 08:19:12 <Net147> hi bluelightning
Jun 04 08:19:45 <bluelightning> hi Net147
Jun 04 08:20:43 <Net147> bluelightning: I got mesa llvmpipe to run properly. for some reason it's really slow unless I compile with -fno-omit-frame-pointer. it's now around 160 fps instead of like 2 fps.
Jun 04 08:21:14 <bluelightning> hmm, some kind of weird interaction I guess...
Jun 04 08:22:31 <Net147> bluelightning: I isolated it to swrast_dri.so. if I swap it out with one from Arch Linux system it works fine. I don't think they compile with -fno-omit-frame-pointer. strange.
Jun 04 08:22:57 <Net147> bluelightning: so something in the compiler, some strangeness in Mesa driver or some strange interaction with LLVM library
Jun 04 08:23:20 <Net147> bluelightning: I may do some profiling later to try to isolate the cause
Jun 04 08:35:52 <mckoan> good morning
Jun 04 08:51:32 <silviof> morning all
Jun 04 08:52:06 <silviof> some imx6-freescale user here? I have the same issue like this: http://www.mail-archive.com/meta-freescale@yoctoproject.org/msg00033.html   Give it a solution for it?
Jun 04 09:11:29 <RagBal> Is it possible to use a generated toolchain in Eclipse by setting it up manually instead of ADT? I have no understanding of the automake tools it is using and want it to be clean and simple
Jun 04 09:13:08 <mckoan> silviof: only imx5 here ;-) but Otavio will wake up later
Jun 04 09:14:07 <mckoan> RagBal: yes it is possible
Jun 04 09:14:37 <silviof> mckoan: thx - than i will wait :-)
Jun 04 09:14:38 <RagBal> Is there any guide for that? Because I can't seem to get it functional
Jun 04 09:15:34 <mckoan> RagBal: no clue, have you tried with google?
Jun 04 09:16:15 <RagBal> Ofc, but I now have found a guide for NetBeans, trying that out
Jun 04 11:23:55 <Net147> khem: ping
Jun 04 11:27:55 <gonzzor> What is the difference between include and require in build/conf/local.conf?
Jun 04 11:38:16 <Net147> rburton: how's the Mesa 9.1.3 update going?
Jun 04 11:42:55 <Net147> JaMa: I got Mesa 9.1.3 llvmpipe working. had to add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to compile flags though otherwise slow performance.
Jun 04 11:48:29 <JaMa> Net147: good work, thanks!
Jun 04 11:48:56 <Net147> JaMa: all the work is in a .bbappend in my private layer at the moment
Jun 04 11:48:58 <JaMa> I'm building updated mesa+wayland atm
Jun 04 11:49:35 <Net147> JaMa: do the LLVM patches look ok?
Jun 04 11:50:12 <JaMa> did you had to specify which llvm-config should be used? because here it was missing 2.9 suffix to include dir when llvm-config --cflags were used (llvm-config2.9 works fine)
Jun 04 11:50:31 <JaMa> Net147: yes, I've only squashed 2 of them (you can see it in contrib/jansa/in-test)
Jun 04 11:50:51 <JaMa> Net147: I plan to merge them after next jenkins builds
Jun 04 11:51:51 <Net147> JaMa: I just add export WANT_LLVM_RELEASE = "3.2"
Jun 04 11:52:13 <Net147> JaMa: I am testing with LLVM 3.2
Jun 04 11:53:19 <Net147> JaMa: I had problems with LLVM 2.9 due to missing symbol. I think may have to do with LLVM 2.9 being built with cmake.
Jun 04 11:55:14 <Net147> JaMa: I observed building with autotools creates an all in one libLLVM-*.so with static .a for each component. building with cmake creates *.so for each component but doesn't create an all in one libLLVM-*.so
Jun 04 11:55:44 <Net147> JaMa: it has been recommended to link LLVM was shared library for Mesa due to various bugs using static LLVM
Jun 04 11:56:55 <Net147> JaMa: my .bbappend so far - http://pastebin.com/3YwJZ8m1
Jun 04 12:00:28 <JaMa> thanks I'll convert them to PACKAGECONFIG options for mesa in master
Jun 04 12:00:43 <JaMa> so that we can enable galium and llvmpipe with much smaller bbappends later
Jun 04 12:01:09 <Net147> JaMa: I will submit the LLVM shared library cross compile fix for Mesa upstream
Jun 04 13:05:43 <Net147> JaMa: note that some configure options are not recognized anymore in Mesa: --disable-glu, --disable-glw, --disable-glut. build will still continue but it will just show warning.
Jun 04 13:27:59 <bluelightning> gonzzor: "include" will include the file if it exists and not error if it doesn't; require will include the file and error if it doesn't exist
Jun 04 13:28:29 <bluelightning> gonzzor: so we tend to use require unless we expect the build to continue if the file isn't there
Jun 04 13:42:56 <honschu> Hi, how to "fill" one file into a static ubi-volume?
Jun 04 13:44:29 <JaMa> rburton, Net147: please check last 9 commits http://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core-contrib/log/?h=jansa/mesa it's based on our and Net147's .bbappends, still WIP
Jun 04 13:44:45 <darknighte> Crofton: Crofton|work
Jun 04 13:44:53 <Crofton> gm
Jun 04 13:44:57 <darknighte> gm.
Jun 04 13:45:23 <Crofton> gnuradio hackfest this weel
Jun 04 13:45:27 <JaMa> Net147: can I merge your llvm-cross.patch to it? I would wait for you to submit it upstream, so that we can have correct Upstream-Status
Jun 04 13:45:31 <darknighte> Crofton: cool
Jun 04 13:45:50 <Crofton> JaMa, we see the source of the gnuradio issue you reported
Jun 04 13:46:50 <JaMa> Crofton: great
Jun 04 13:49:56 <Net147> JaMa: it's submitted upstream. check on mesa-dev mailing list
Jun 04 13:50:10 <Net147> JaMa: albeit, I added a bit more to it
Jun 04 13:51:09 <JaMa> ok, thanks
Jun 04 13:51:19 <Net147> JaMa: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2013-June/040167.html and http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2013-June/040168.html
Jun 04 13:51:35 <Net147> JaMa: rburton added the first one to his 9.1.3 update
Jun 04 13:52:44 <JaMa> yup my branch is based on his mesa/wayland/gtk upgrade
Jun 04 13:54:29 <Net147> JaMa: there are more gallium drivers than swrast. r300,r600,radeonsi,nouveau,svga,swrast for example. r600 needs LLVM 3.3
Jun 04 13:54:55 <Net147> JaMa: LLVM 3.3 needs valgrind-native recipe I think which doesn't exist yet
Jun 04 13:56:25 <Net147> JaMa: LLVM 3.3 work in progress based on RC2 - http://pastebin.com/Y48B3YAC
Jun 04 14:00:57 <JaMa> Net147: people can extend GALLIUMDRIVERS list in .bbappend like we do for DRIDRIVERS
Jun 04 14:01:22 <Net147> JaMa: I see
Jun 04 14:01:29 <Net147> JaMa: good work
Jun 04 14:03:47 <Net147> JaMa: I don't see -fno-omit-frame-pointer flag in your changes
Jun 04 14:06:27 <honschu> When I create a ubi-static-volume with "ubimkvol", how to write a kernel-image into that new static-ubi-volume?
Jun 04 14:21:59 <JaMa> Net147: it's there now, but I'm still waiting for test build to finish
Jun 04 14:22:11 <JaMa> so consider this only as WIP to see what I plan to do
Jun 04 14:25:26 <jstashluk> is there a way to trace the files that set and modiry DISTRO_FEATURES?
Jun 04 14:25:32 <jstashluk> *modify
Jun 04 14:25:52 <Net147> JaMa: I wonder if we should only apply the flag if using llvmpipe
Jun 04 14:27:24 <JaMa> Net147: it would be nice to understand why this flag slows whole thing down, then we could decide if it's good or bad to enable it for all or only llvmpipe builds
Jun 04 14:27:58 <Net147> JaMa: yes. I wonder if it's related to the GCC compiler version used.
Jun 04 14:28:12 <Net147> JaMa: since other distributions compile it without the flag and work fine
Jun 04 14:29:28 <Net147> JaMa: more specifically, it is something inside swrast_dri.so
Jun 04 14:30:16 <Net147> JaMa: omitting frame pointer is a compiler optimisation that is supposed to speed things up
Jun 04 14:32:58 <Net147> JaMa: --disable-glu --disable-glw --disable-glut are not recognized anymore in Mesa 9.1.3 so I wonder if we should drop those flags in mesa.inc
Jun 04 14:35:43 <JaMa> yes we should, I'll drop them in next patch
Jun 04 14:39:35 <gonzzor> bluelightning: Thanks
Jun 04 15:00:04 <sgw1> YPTM: Saul here
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Jun 04 15:00:29 <Song_Liu> YPTM: welcome to the meeting, please let me know who's on the bridge. Thanks!
Jun 04 15:00:35 <tomz1> YPTM: Tom Z here
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Jun 04 15:10:33 <Song_Liu> https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Planning#Roadmaps_and_Schedules
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Jun 04 15:18:50 <Zagor> isn't gcc flagging a bit short-sighted?
Jun 04 15:19:12 <Zagor> yeah it hurts to rebuild everything, but you *did* replace the compiler after all
Jun 04 15:20:23 <Zagor> we have e500 builds, but haven't started testing 4.8 yet
Jun 04 15:20:39 <RP> Zagor: its a question you can't win on
Jun 04 15:20:49 <RP> its also configurable
Jun 04 15:21:19 <fray> ya..  versioning gcc 4.8.1 vs 4.8.0 is likely a loss.. but 4.7 to 4.8 is likely a win..
Jun 04 15:21:32 <fray> that was why my suggestion on using GCCVERSION = ...
Jun 04 15:21:39 <fray> it covers only the main version string
Jun 04 15:21:49 <fray> it's the e500 and e500v2 tune BTW
Jun 04 15:24:43 <fray> and I've had about 10 people tell me that gcc 4.8.1 is now out.. :P  (I think they're hoping that will fix the ICE...)  but I havn't even looked at that, I usually defer to Khem
Jun 04 15:32:32 <Song_Liu> YPTM: thank you all for joining the meeting. You all have a nice day/evening
Jun 04 15:32:42 <RP> thanks Song_Liu
Jun 04 15:36:50 <mranostay> morning
Jun 04 15:45:10 <Zagor> sgw1: did you have something more you wanted to talk about, or can I go make dinner? :)
Jun 04 15:45:40 <sgw1> Zagor: I think we are good, if you can just send a list of packages you have pending that would be great.
Jun 04 15:45:51 <Zagor> yep, I'll do that
Jun 04 15:58:31 <mranostay> morn' Jefro
Jun 04 15:59:17 <Jefro> mranostay good morning - is it grey up there? thick fog down here (coastal northern CA)
Jun 04 16:01:11 <mranostay> oh i  keep forgeting you are in SC not JF
Jun 04 16:01:43 <mranostay> blue skies today
Jun 04 16:02:04 <mranostay> suppose to be good weather for the whole weeke
Jun 04 16:02:07 <mranostay> *week
Jun 04 16:09:16 <Ramana_> Darren: I like to know if you have decided on any format of configuring disk images
Jun 04 16:10:00 <dvhart> Ramana_, do you mean partitioning or some other aspect?
Jun 04 16:10:49 <Ramana_> yes partitioning
Jun 04 16:11:01 <dvhart> Ramana_, tomz1 is looking into that via https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3847
Jun 04 16:11:01 <Ramana_> as part of bug 3847
Jun 04 16:11:02 <yocti> Bug 3847: enhancement, Medium, 1.5 M2, tom.zanussi, IN PROGRESS DESIGN , New partitioning description and tooling
Jun 04 16:11:04 <yocti> Bug https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3847 enhancement, Medium, 1.5 M2, tom.zanussi, IN PROGRESS DESIGN , New partitioning description and tooling
Jun 04 16:11:08 <dvhart> right :-)
Jun 04 16:11:26 <dvhart> Ramana_, we haven't made a lot of progress on that yet
Jun 04 16:11:43 <dvhart> Ramana_, tomz1 will be picking that up in the next few weeks I believe
Jun 04 16:12:23 <Ramana_> Darren, ok, I am also working on making a common configuration file format.
Jun 04 16:12:42 <dvhart> Ramana_, please collaborate with tomz1 on that bug
Jun 04 16:12:55 <Ramana_> Darren, I have come up with a format and a parser, so wanted to check with you
Jun 04 16:13:07 <Ramana_> Darren, OK
Jun 04 16:14:18 <Ramana_> Darren, thanks I will check with tomz1, what is full name of tomz1?
Jun 04 16:14:36 <dvhart> Ramana_, see the bug owner
Jun 04 16:15:08 <Ramana_> Darren, got it thanks
Jun 04 16:16:57 <dvhart> Ramana_, thanks for letting us know, great to work together and not duplicate effort
Jun 04 16:18:35 <Ramana_> tomz1, Hi ru there?
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Jun 04 17:58:02 <daiane_> otavio: hi there
Jun 04 18:14:39 <jstashluk> otavio: Eric has done the 4.0.0 release Nitrogen6X
Jun 04 18:14:41 <jstashluk> otavio: it seems to work.
Jun 04 18:24:46 <mranostay> wmat: hey canadian
Jun 04 18:25:19 <wmat> mranostay: hey portlandian
Jun 04 18:26:10 <bluelightning> haha
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Jun 04 19:04:46 <mranostay> _darknighte_: welcome to the jungle
Jun 04 19:05:10 <_darknighte_> mranostay: what's up?
Jun 04 19:05:23 <_darknighte_> my znc bouncer just freaked out a bit there...
Jun 04 19:08:18 <mranostay> darknighte_znc: make up your mind! :P
Jun 04 22:31:25 <kergoth> I look forward to bitbake requiring python 2.7
Jun 04 22:45:21 <kergoth> RP: we should think about adding a new event for operation against a finalized config datastore, which bitbake then uses for config, so we can avoid manual finalizing in ConfigParsed handlers for particular cases
Jun 04 22:45:58 <kergoth> RP: though, the event would have to carry both finalized and non-finalized datastores with it, since only non-finalized would affect recipes
Jun 04 22:46:01 * kergoth ponders
Jun 04 22:48:29 <RP> kergoth: that is the dilemma. The finalised store isn't useful to bitbake and could end up confusing users even more since writes to it won't have any affect :/
Jun 04 22:50:25 <RP> kergoth: I wish we could move to 2.7 too...
Jun 04 22:56:23 <kergoth> the finalized store is extremely useful to bitbake. without it, we can't combine overrides with PREFERRED_PROVIDER & the like
Jun 04 22:56:53 <kergoth> but yeah, confusion is a definite concern
Jun 04 22:56:55 * kergoth shrugs
Jun 04 23:07:50 <mranostay> hi kergoth
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Jun 05 00:02:11 <feydrautha80> hello
Jun 05 00:02:24 <feydrautha80> how can i clean the sstate for a recipe?
Jun 05 00:03:33 <mranostay> rm -rf ? :)
Jun 05 00:03:45 <fray> bitbake -c cleansstate <recipe>
Jun 05 00:04:02 <fray> clean -- clean the working directory
Jun 05 00:04:09 <fray> cleansstate -- perform clean & remove sstate
Jun 05 00:04:17 <fray> cleanall -- preform cleansstate & remove download(s)
Jun 05 00:27:13 <feydrautha80> thank you very much
Jun 05 00:44:41 <feydrautha80> hey fray did I sayd thank you ?
Jun 05 00:44:53 <feydrautha80> oh I did
Jun 05 00:57:02 <fray> np
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