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Feb 20 07:49:13 <alexlarsson> I'm gonna clean up the gnome-sdk yocto stuff to be a pure layer
Feb 20 07:49:38 <alexlarsson> What is the recommended way to set up a git repo that contains a layer + the upstream yocto
Feb 20 07:49:51 <alexlarsson> Can i use a git submodule?
Feb 20 07:50:13 <alexlarsson> Seems tricky as the top yocto dir has several subdirs
Feb 20 07:50:40 <alexlarsson> Is there some example somewhere of this kind of setup that i can steal?
Feb 20 07:59:11 <mckoan> good morning
Feb 20 09:17:25 <alexlarsson> Would something like: EXTRA_OECONF_glibc += "bash_cv_getcwd_malloc=yes "
Feb 20 09:17:30 <alexlarsson> work in the distro config?
Feb 20 09:20:38 <alexlarsson> Or i guess i should put that in a .bbappend for glibc
Feb 20 09:27:03 <ericbutters> is there any way to re-use a yocto sdk with yocto? so that yocto does not build a toolchain but uses a earlier build yocto sdk?
Feb 20 09:28:26 <ericbutters> lets say i get a yocto sdk from a vendor and i want to build additional software using yocto?
Feb 20 09:29:13 <ericbutters> best way is to get the meta layers from that vendor, but if this is not possible and i only have the sdk?
Feb 20 09:32:56 <Minibio> hello
Feb 20 09:33:10 <Minibio> what are the differences between metadata and layers ?
Feb 20 09:36:17 <ant_work> hi, layers do contain metadata (recipes)
Feb 20 09:40:05 <bluelightning> ericbutters: using an SDK built with our system as the build system toolchain isn't a supported configuration, no
Feb 20 10:06:50 <ericbutters> bluelightning: what is the difference between the yocto sdk and a "pure" toolchain? is there a way to extract a "pure" toolchain from the yocto sdk?
Feb 20 10:09:19 <bluelightning> I might be imagining things but I somehow recall we had this discussion before...
Feb 20 10:12:56 <ericbutters> bluelightning: yes, you remeber right.. sry, but it would help me a lot ;) and as there is anything we need in place with the yocto sdk there must be a way to get/extract a toolchain we can re-use with yocto?
Feb 20 10:13:32 <bluelightning> we simply don't support doing this, I'm afraid
Feb 20 10:13:36 <ericbutters> ok
Feb 20 10:13:43 <bluelightning> somewhere there is a succinct explanation of why but I can't find it at the moment
Feb 20 10:14:21 <ericbutters> np, if you find it just ping we.. would be great to get more detail on that
Feb 20 10:43:23 <RP> ericbutters: the issue is that with the standalone toolchain whilst you get a compiler and a libc, its all flattened out. People think it would be quick just to use it however what they don't consider is that you have to extract the components like "libgcc", "libc", the libc locales and turn them into packages. That process is convoluted and depends a lot on how the originals were built. We did once have a recipe to try and do this but its simpler jus
Feb 20 10:44:10 <RP> ericbutters: I know Mentor do have recipes which try and do this for their codesourcey toolchain. You'll see the maze of conditionals in there shows how "complex" such a simple sounding problems becomes
Feb 20 10:45:10 <RP> ericbutters: as an example, if you want an on target gcc, it really needs to match the libgcc pretty closely. If you take the libgcc from the external toolchain, how do you ensure an exact match?
Feb 20 11:03:28 <ericbutters> RP: thanks for your comment. Were can I find the recipe you mentioned? Just to have an idea what you tried.
Feb 20 11:07:38 <RP> ericbutters: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky/commit/?id=dc2192cabc007241dd805503a1015529b5e33c07 was the one we removed. Also look at http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky/log/?qt=grep&q=external-csl
Feb 20 11:07:48 <RP> ericbutters: external-csl is now in another layer iirc
Feb 20 11:08:49 <RP> ericbutters: that remove in the first commit simply won't work though, its not complicated enough by far (which is why it was removed)
Feb 20 12:42:25 <Aurele__> hi everyone
Feb 20 13:08:56 <Minibio> in which situations have we to patch the sources ?
Feb 20 14:20:23 <ulf`> good morning
Feb 20 14:32:44 <acidfu> moo
Feb 20 14:33:27 <acidfu> One of my recipe doesn't build because the CC is set to "CC=/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc \" I'm trying to figure out how to set CC properly from the recipe, any idea ?
Feb 20 14:33:29 <acidfu> thank you
Feb 20 14:33:42 <acidfu> the path for the compiler is wrong
Feb 20 14:34:30 <acidfu> I'd like something like : CC=/path/linaro/bin/arm...
Feb 20 15:39:33 <rburton> does paul barker use irc?
Feb 20 16:37:29 <angolini> I'm facing an X11 dependency error when building core-image-lsb-sdk. Does core-image-lsb-sdk be a "Basic image without X support" image? I'm confused
Feb 20 16:38:50 <angolini> the package bringing the dependency is libxt and i don't have x11 on DISTRO_FEATURES
Feb 20 16:41:29 <bluelightning> angolini: can you run bitbake -g ?
Feb 20 16:42:43 <angolini> ok
Feb 20 16:46:20 <angolini> for  bitbake -g libxt i got ERROR: libxt was skipped: missing required distro feature 'x11' (not in DISTRO_FEATURES)
Feb 20 16:46:24 <angolini> nothing provides.....
Feb 20 16:46:58 <angolini> maybe I should keep x11 on distro features for core-image-lsb-sdk
Feb 20 16:51:22 <ulf`> rburton: ping
Feb 20 16:52:03 <rburton> ulf`: you're going to start talking about clang aren't you
Feb 20 16:52:08 <rburton> ulf`: been a bit busy today :/
Feb 20 16:52:11 <ulf`> rburton: hehe
Feb 20 16:52:28 <ulf`> rburton: this is not urgent
Feb 20 17:09:49 <angolini> oww just figured out there is a poky-lsb distro! i think it should work
Feb 20 17:21:32 <kergoth> RP: ping
Feb 20 17:21:53 <RP> kergoth: pong
Feb 20 17:23:02 <kergoth> RP: i'm hitting a case where setscenes are run, not failed, but then the real tasks get run anyway. i can't recall what could cause that, unless the sstate reuse was partial, but it doesn't appear to be
Feb 20 17:23:06 * kergoth thinks
Feb 20 17:23:48 <RP> kergoth: Paul reported that too and I think there may be an open bug. I could use a reproducible test case to better understand it though
Feb 20 17:24:16 <RP> kergoth: last time we discussed this, it was pseudo-native issues and being unable to extract some sstate due to lack of pseudo
Feb 20 17:24:35 <RP> kergoth: which may or may not be the case here I appreciate
Feb 20 17:31:17 <bluelightning> yeah, I've seen it fairly often, but the trouble is it depends on the state of the system before the build which of course the build blows away
Feb 20 17:35:40 <kergoth> Hmm, indeed. Okay, I'll try to come up with a test case. We seem to be hitting this behavior quite regularly
Feb 20 17:47:59 <bryan> i am trying to upgrade webkit-gtk to v 2.4.1
Feb 20 17:48:15 <bryan> but i am facing issues while compiling
Feb 20 17:48:24 <bryan> has anyone tried it?
Feb 20 17:50:06 <bryan> latest bb recipe i found was for 1.8.3
Feb 20 17:53:16 <rburton> anyone here actually using systemd user sessions?
Feb 20 18:21:44 <ulf`> rburton: tizen common is
Feb 20 19:07:56 <onoffon> RP: around ?
Feb 20 19:08:46 <khem`> RP:why is binutils 2.25 upgrade withheld
Feb 20 19:40:00 <ulf`> khem`: ping ;)
Feb 20 19:50:46 <paulg> someone checked some stuff in recently that killed /bin/sh out of existence on my non-busybox build.   :-/
Feb 20 19:50:53 <paulg> kind of renders the system useless.
Feb 20 19:50:59 * paulg investigates.
Feb 20 20:08:00 <kergoth> Any objection to adding PACKAGECONFIG_BACKFILL? I think there'd be value to be able to add new defautl packageconfigs to a recipe without breaking any distros that might be setting packageconfig rather than appending/removing to/from it
Feb 20 20:08:04 <kergoth> hmm
Feb 20 20:08:26 <rburton> otavio: why does meta-fsl have a pulseaudio bbappend?  seems to set a configure cache (can that go upstream?) and set packagearch
Feb 20 20:08:40 <rburton> otavio: context is master-next has PA6, so the append fails
Feb 20 20:13:58 <otavio> rburton: fsl-arm master-next also has the fixed bbappend :)
Feb 20 20:14:15 <rburton> cool
Feb 20 20:14:44 <otavio> rburton: and I want to   double check if it is still need but I am not good on this so I need to ask FSL internals about it
Feb 20 20:22:50 <otavio> rburton: I pushed the bbappend rename.
Feb 20 20:23:44 <rburton> otavio: much appreciated, wanted to try for a green mut today and it refusing to start due to this in fsl and meta-intel needing bbappend updates isn't a good start!
Feb 20 20:27:07 <acidfu> I'm trying to see where TCMODE and EXTERNAL_TOOLCHAIN are documented in yocto, but I can't find, any idea ? thank !
Feb 20 21:02:18 <khem`> ulf`: hello
Feb 20 21:03:28 <khem`> acidfu: go to http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/ref-manual/ref-manual.html and search for it
Feb 20 21:03:48 <ulf`> khem`: hi :)
Feb 20 21:04:02 <khem`> Did you go anywhere is meta-clang
Feb 20 21:04:14 <ulf`> khem`: I sent you an email last week regarding an issue building clang from the meta-clang layer
Feb 20 21:04:19 <khem`> I havent had much time for it
Feb 20 21:04:20 <ulf`> khem`: no
Feb 20 21:04:26 <khem`> ok.
Feb 20 21:04:26 <ulf`> khem`: I was looking for your help
Feb 20 21:04:38 <khem`> I am in process to upgrade it to 3.6
Feb 20 21:04:47 <ulf`> great!
Feb 20 21:05:21 <otavio> khem`: how is the support for meta-clang going?
Feb 20 21:07:28 <khem`> Its not much there yet
Feb 20 21:08:02 <khem`> I need to first make space for 2 cross compilers
Feb 20 21:08:06 <khem`> into OE
Feb 20 21:08:20 <khem`> such that we can then select which one to use for a given packag
Feb 20 21:08:58 <khem`> at the same time build 2 cross toolchains in same infra and let them coexist
Feb 20 21:17:53 <acidfu> khem`, thx!
Feb 20 21:42:43 <otavio> khem`: but how about to build everything with clang?
Feb 20 21:42:55 <otavio> is this already an option?
Feb 20 21:43:11 <khem`> otavio: thats my goal :) but its a long pull
Feb 20 21:43:28 <otavio> khem`: no; I mean to use clang only
Feb 20 21:43:39 <khem`> many component are too gnuismic
Feb 20 21:43:43 <otavio> ah ok
Feb 20 21:43:46 <otavio> so not yet working
Feb 20 21:43:56 <khem`> it is 75% there
Feb 20 21:44:00 <otavio> :D
Feb 20 21:44:04 <khem`> but things are like glibc
Feb 20 21:44:07 <khem`> dont yet work
Feb 20 21:44:11 <khem`> kernel
Feb 20 21:44:16 <khem`> not on all arches
Feb 20 21:44:18 <khem`> etc.
Feb 20 22:18:02 <Crofton> fyi live now
Feb 20 22:18:03 <Crofton> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzKI0ASB_Js&feature=youtu.be
Feb 20 22:20:09 <RP> khem: I didn't take binutils since there were uboot issues with it
Feb 20 22:20:14 <Crofton> Earlier there was an Intel guy explaining Yocto Linux
Feb 20 22:20:23 <RP> khem: I was kind of waiting for someone to tell me they were resolved
Feb 20 22:20:48 <Crofton> RP, check out the video
Feb 20 22:21:08 <Crofton> shit people have never heard of YP at scale
Feb 20 22:21:46 <Crofton> hmm, koen is going to blow a fuse
Feb 20 22:23:44 <RP> Crofton: that is scary
Feb 20 22:24:10 <Crofton> I am pretty rofl
Feb 20 22:24:30 <Crofton> still he hasn't said Yocto Linux
Feb 20 22:25:01 <Crofton> I need to ping jefro
Feb 20 22:30:22 <Crofton> +1 for using OE logo
Feb 20 22:33:46 <RP> Crofton: he did talk about meta-poky and several other things which don't exist
Feb 20 22:36:18 <Crofton> meta-poky is much clearer though :)
Feb 20 22:36:46 <Crofton> Steve was at OEDAM last year
Feb 20 22:36:56 <Crofton> balder guy with beard :)
Feb 20 22:37:19 <Crofton> He is in here a lot :)
Feb 20 22:37:28 <Crofton> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzKI0ASB_Js&feature=youtu.be
Feb 20 22:37:30 <Crofton> blitz00,
Feb 20 22:37:32 <Crofton> urg
Feb 20 22:37:36 <Crofton> bluelightning,
Feb 20 22:37:54 <bluelightning> hi... what's up?
Feb 20 22:38:01 <Crofton> watch the video
Feb 20 22:38:08 <Crofton> YP/OE talk from scale
Feb 20 22:38:33 <bluelightning> ah ok... I'll check it out, thx
Feb 20 22:38:40 <Crofton> it is live
Feb 20 22:38:50 <Crofton> I suspect it will be available later
Feb 20 22:38:58 <Crofton> there was an Edison one earlier
Feb 20 22:58:27 <RP> Crofton: can we video koen's reaction to the terminology slides?
Feb 20 23:32:26 <rburton> Crofton: intel guy earlier was probably john hawley, talking about minnow/yocto/shiny demos?
Feb 20 23:33:21 <Crofton> yeah, but then there was an Edison talk
Feb 20 23:33:35 <Crofton> using one of my personal favs "Yocto Linux" :)
Feb 20 23:33:39 <rburton> ah
Feb 20 23:34:21 <rburton> ffs
Feb 20 23:34:27 <Crofton> :)
Feb 20 23:34:47 <rburton> i wonder who that was, gentle prodding required
Feb 20 23:34:50 <Crofton> how many ways can you combine bitbake, Yocto, OpenEmbedded, Project, Poky ....
Feb 20 23:34:52 <rburton> but anyway time for sleep
Feb 20 23:34:55 <Crofton> gn
Feb 20 23:35:10 <Crofton> I need to write an expect script to power cycle a box
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