**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 25 02:59:58 2015 Feb 25 05:38:07 Hi. I was curious whether or not we can use the MCU on the Intel Edison yet. Feb 25 08:10:34 good morning Feb 25 08:15:36 mckoan: morning Feb 25 09:32:16 Still no luck getting my module compiled into the image Feb 25 09:33:32 Used the tutorial at http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/1.7.1/kernel-dev/kernel-dev.html#incorporating-out-of-tree-modules,but I still cant see the module on the actual image. I know its being compiled however Feb 25 09:33:43 Can see it in the tmp folder Feb 25 09:37:05 Very new to yocto so this might be wrong. I have created a new meta layer and copied the example module from meta-skeleton directory (hello-mod) into recipe-kernel in my new meta layer. Feb 25 09:37:48 And then renamed it to mymodule-mod and then added MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS += "kernel-module-mymodule" to my layer.conf Feb 25 09:38:02 Is this the right way? Feb 25 09:40:53 BlauskaerM: in the machine's .conf Feb 25 09:41:11 http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/1.7.1/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#var-MACHINE_ESSENTIAL_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS Feb 25 09:43:49 mckoan: Ok, so need to make a machine directory (conf/machine) and put the MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS there? Feb 25 09:46:31 morning all Feb 25 09:50:49 hi BlauskaerM Feb 25 09:50:53 hi bluelightning Feb 25 09:51:13 hi mckoan Feb 25 09:51:43 morning mckoan Feb 25 09:52:01 Well, its morning here Feb 25 10:04:58 mckoan: The machine file, does it need a special name for bitbake to find it or can I just put an arbitrary file name in /conf/machine with the .conf file extension? Feb 25 10:06:19 And then just put MACHINE_ESSENTIAL_EXTRA_RDEPENDS += "kernel-module-mymodule-mod" in that file? Feb 25 10:25:25 BlauskaerM: which machine are you using? Feb 25 10:32:01 mckoan: socfpga_cyclone5 Feb 25 10:35:38 mckoan: Should my machine conf file have the same name? Feb 25 10:39:47 BlauskaerM: you already have asocfpga_cyclone5.conf Feb 25 10:47:33 mckoan: Yes, its in the altera directory (not the new layer I created) Feb 25 10:53:08 mckoan: Should I add MACHINE_ESSENTIAL_EXTRA_RDEPENDS += "kernel-module-mymodule-mod" to the socfpga_cyclone5.conf fil in the altera directory? Feb 25 10:53:27 Its not possible to make like an append file for machine configuration? Feb 25 10:53:44 In my own layer? Feb 25 10:54:23 BlauskaerM: not really, but you can have your own (renamed) version of the machine conf; it can even "require" the original version so you don't have to duplicate the contents Feb 25 10:55:45 That sounds good Feb 25 10:56:30 Should it have the same name as the altera machine file? Like meta-mylayer/conf/machine/socfpga_cyclone5.conf Feb 25 10:56:51 And then a require statment in that file that "points" to the original machine file? Feb 25 11:05:06 I would suggest using a different name, otherwise whether or not your customised machine file is picked up will depend on where your layer appears in BBPATH which depends on the order in which it appears in bblayers.conf Feb 25 11:38:54 bluelightning: kk Feb 25 11:40:56 bluelightning: In the machine file in my new layer, how do I use the "require" statement to point at another machine file that is outside the meta layer directory? All the examples I have seen only points to files within the layer itself Feb 25 11:41:22 BlauskaerM: require conf/machine/.conf Feb 25 11:41:36 BlauskaerM: where is the name of the original machine, naturally Feb 25 11:41:48 bluelightning: Thank you :) Feb 25 11:41:55 Will try that Feb 25 11:43:08 Will you be here long today? My compile machine is quite slow so it will take some time to test this Feb 25 11:45:06 BlauskaerM: yeah it's just coming up to noon here in London, so I'll be around for a few hours yet Feb 25 11:45:22 \o/ Feb 25 11:54:20 Just have another question, not related to the module thing. I think I have figured it out about how to add a custom program to my image. Bust just want to check that it is the way to do it. Feb 25 11:55:09 I created a new layer and added a hello world program as a recipe, which compiles and everything. Feb 25 11:57:12 Then I added IMAGE_INSTALL_append to my layer config file to move the program after compilation to the final image. Is this the "way" to do this kind of things? Feb 25 12:06:23 BlauskaerM: for testing purposes, yes Feb 25 12:07:02 BlauskaerM: Usually, it's done via package groups Feb 25 12:08:29 cristianiorga: Thank you for you answer Feb 25 12:08:31 cristianiorga: Do you know where in the manual I can find this? Feb 25 12:08:37 your* Feb 25 12:09:05 BlauskaerM: pheeww, tough question... Feb 25 12:09:32 cristianiorga: Just wondered if you had it in your head Feb 25 12:09:57 Should be able to find it on mu own with some googleing Feb 25 12:10:05 http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#usingpoky-extend-customimage-customtasks Feb 25 12:11:16 Thank you :) Feb 25 12:17:48 In the last sentence in the 5.2.4 section, it says that I still need to add the packagegroup to the IMAGE_INSTALL variable. Should this be stated in the layer config file or where should I put it? Feb 25 12:22:50 BlauskaerM: hmmm, you can create a customized image also... that will include your own package grioup.. Feb 25 12:24:27 cristianiorga: I guess you know the followup question? Feb 25 12:24:42 How do I create a customized image? :P Feb 25 12:25:35 BlauskaerM: pheew :-D take a look for core-image-sato (for example) in poky... do a grep on it, etc, you will figure it out Feb 25 12:26:34 cristianiorga: Hehe :P Will have a look at it Feb 25 12:28:53 BlauskaerM: it's all in the sections of the manual around the one that cristianiorga linked above Feb 25 12:48:38 <21WABGCO2> so for the latest kernel in http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/linux-yocto-dev/ , is it only available to qemu arch or all arch? Feb 25 13:08:29 hello Feb 25 13:08:46 I have an error when I try to make an image in iso or hddimg Feb 25 13:09:03 "nothing provides syslinux" Feb 25 13:09:25 The same configuration works well otherwise. Feb 25 13:09:32 Any idea why ? Feb 25 13:12:06 <21WABGCO2> for all kernel version in http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/linux-yocto-dev/, which MACHINE are they available to? Feb 25 13:24:54 for all kernel version in http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/linux-yocto-dev/, which MACHINE are they available to? Feb 25 13:31:50 great... I would have answered, but they went Feb 25 13:33:37 chankit_: I'm not sure, but I would assume all of the machines we normally support with linux-yocto Feb 25 13:56:29 bluelightning: that's weird..I changed the provider to yocto-linux-dev and set the version to 3.19 but I got "version not available" and it switched to 3.17 instead Feb 25 13:56:40 I was using the generic 64 bit Feb 25 13:57:16 chankit_: hmm, ok... not sure Feb 25 14:02:06 bluelightning: I wish I can provide more input but I'm not with my work machine... Feb 25 14:21:48 Hey! I'm trying to compile software for the image I made with 'bitbake core-image-base'. This software needs 'linux/types.h'. In Debian I would do 'apt-get source Linux', do 'make oldconfig' and 'make prepare' and point the compiler to the folder created (usually /usr/src/linux-xxxxx). How would I do the same for poky? Feb 25 14:22:38 I've tried using the kernel in poky/build/tmp/work/photonx-poky-linux/linux-yocto/3.14.24+gitAUTOINC+a227f20eff_02120556b0-r0.1/linux-photonx-standard-build/ but 'make oldconfig' and 'make prepare' don't make 'linux/types.h' Feb 25 14:23:22 It's Makefile based software by the way Feb 25 14:53:20 Karel1: if you mean where would you find the kernel source, ${STAGING_KERNEL_DIR} points to that directory Feb 25 14:53:58 Karel1: however, linux/types.h can be found under the normal ${STAGING_INCDIR} as well Feb 25 14:57:58 bluelightning: That was what I meant, yes. Sorry I'm a development newbie. Where/when is ${STAGING_KERNEL_DIR} defined? Can't see it with echo ${STAGING_KERNEL_DIR}. Feb 25 14:58:16 Karel1: it's a bitbake variable Feb 25 14:59:13 Karel1: it's set in meta/conf/bitbake.conf, which will mean it'll be available anywhere you care to use it - but it won't be exported to the shell Feb 25 15:04:10 Karel1: what bluelightning said first still stands - linux/type.h is a standard header so you don't need to do anything but include it Feb 25 15:04:40 (unless you explicitly need to build against the kernel headers) Feb 25 15:08:07 bluelightning, rburton. Seems these were indeed the sources I need. Still have to set some variables, but that is specific to the tool I use. The tool builds kernel modules at some point in the build process, so that's why I probably need them. To bad this tool is badly documented.. Thanks for helping me so far! Feb 25 15:37:08 What is the main difference between MACHINE_EXTRA and MACHINE_ESSENTIAL_EXTRA? Accordingly to the manual should drivers that are requiered for the machine to boot be assigned to MACHINE_ESSENTIAL_EXTRA and the rest should be in MACHINE_EXTRA. Feb 25 15:37:49 What does that mean exactly? Will drivers that are in the essential variable be compiled into the kernel image? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 25 15:40:32 2015 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 25 15:46:16 2015 Feb 25 15:54:16 paulg: that's odd, it didn't fail here this morning Feb 25 15:55:02 bluelightning, python-native is fine ; python for the target fails on the 1st patch. Feb 25 15:55:17 BlauskaerM: the former will be installed as part of packagegroup-core-boot, the latter only if packagegroup-base is installed Feb 25 15:55:54 paulg: apparently I build python for the target... Feb 25 15:56:34 I commented out the 1st patch and the 2nd fails too. It is like the patches are out of sync with the uprev somehow. Investigating.... Feb 25 15:56:45 and yes, I've already done a cleanssstate Feb 25 15:58:32 paulg: python do_patch just passed here again... something odd is going on Feb 25 15:58:40 python patch fail log: http://pastebin.com/3P0cihHq Feb 25 15:59:06 my top commit is... Feb 25 15:59:08 op3:~/poky$ git describe Feb 25 15:59:08 1.7_M2-2535-g40d80f9e0191 Feb 25 15:59:08 op3:~/poky$ Feb 25 16:00:17 git status shows no uncommitted files or similar... investigation continues. Feb 25 16:08:50 bluelightning, wow this is strange. The updated patch is clearly checked in, and yet the old 2.7.2 patch appears out of the ether and lands in the build directory. Feb 25 16:09:00 ...even after a cleansstate! Feb 25 16:09:24 the 2.7.9 version has an updated header, so they are easy to distinguish. Feb 25 16:09:50 where the heck is it finding that old patch. Feb 25 16:09:52 * zeddii hands paulg a hammer Feb 25 16:10:00 use it as you see fit. Feb 25 16:10:07 yeah, I'm getting pretty close to wanting to smash things over here.. Feb 25 16:12:00 that is bizarre... I can't even imagine a mechanism for that issue happening, not as you have described it at least Feb 25 16:14:28 paulg: another layer providing patches in a append? Feb 25 16:16:50 rburton, yeah it turns out that was it ; the patch of the same name was present in zeddii 's meta-virtualization layer for some reason. Feb 25 16:17:02 I'll get him to zap it and then we should be ok. Feb 25 16:18:10 * zeddii is simply elite and runs ahead of the curve Feb 25 16:18:17 that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Feb 25 16:18:20 ...and off the cliff. Feb 25 16:18:34 what patch is this ? Feb 25 16:18:42 * zeddii has git rm ready Feb 25 16:19:54 hmm, well, mystery solved I guess Feb 25 16:20:18 zeddii, I'll send it to you once I've tested it. Feb 25 16:20:25 TESTING ? Feb 25 16:20:27 waa? Feb 25 16:20:33 now who's elite ? Feb 25 16:20:51 elite for testing, or elite for not testing? Feb 25 16:21:02 for testing Feb 25 16:21:04 that's a badge. Feb 25 16:21:15 * paulg wants a 1/2hr of his life back Feb 25 16:23:34 paulg, sorry. no refunds. Feb 25 16:26:49 Hi Feb 25 16:39:40 hello everybody Feb 25 16:40:25 i've just built fsl-community-bsp and having some troubles to generate the rootfs Feb 25 16:40:59 after one day of building i got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10410662/ can anyone help me please ? Feb 25 16:41:43 the error is about ERROR: qtbase-examples i don't know why it was not built Feb 25 16:42:06 in fact i had some issues with QtWebkit that refuses to compile so i disabled it Feb 25 16:42:32 i dont know how much it impacts the compilation qtbase-examples (it shouldnt) Feb 25 16:44:43 moin Feb 25 17:23:44 I'm trying to bring a freescale imx6 based board up, and I'm having problems with the network. The rootfs is core-image-full-cmdline. On the first boot, it brought up the both lo and eth0. dmesg also reported my ethernet device. On subsequent boots, neither of them work. Feb 25 17:46:23 cyclist: systemd or sysvinit? Feb 25 17:46:51 the latter with console image maybe? Feb 25 17:47:45 qt5 demo image ran fine on wandboard last time i tried Feb 25 17:48:04 couple months ago anyway... Feb 25 17:56:48 huh, i'll have to poke at the new extensible sdk Feb 25 17:56:55 ust noticed it was merged Feb 25 17:58:02 kergoth: please do, I'd definitely like to get your feedback Feb 25 18:04:36 actually, I just found my problem. There was a leftover file from ifup in /var/volatile/run Feb 25 18:05:16 that doesn't really make a great deal of sense. volatile is volatile, ramdisk, it should be empty at each boot Feb 25 18:05:40 well, it's not being mounted as a ramdisk at this time Feb 25 18:05:59 that will quickly change :) Feb 25 18:07:28 wonder if we should have a cleanup startup script to clear out paths like that which old state, as other distros tend to do, for cases wher eit's not volatile Feb 25 18:07:50 of course, run isn't a great example, since most distros put that under /run now Feb 25 18:09:09 isn't that a symlink into /run now? Feb 25 18:09:14 (should be if it isn't) Feb 25 18:09:21 I'm just going to put it in my fstab Feb 25 18:09:49 good point, one would hope so Feb 25 18:09:58 I'll make /run a symlink to /var/volatile/run Feb 25 18:10:27 i think really it should be the other way around, to align with desktops, but whichever works :) Feb 25 18:10:28 and mount a ramdisk /var/volatile/run Feb 25 18:11:30 I could do that, instead, if you think that it's the best wy Feb 25 18:11:37 er, way Feb 25 18:12:24 this was just a test, anyway. I really want to use the lsb rootfs Feb 25 18:12:37 * kergoth nods Feb 25 18:14:25 it's a real Frankenstein's monster. I had to use the SDK for my system to build the kernel and glom that into the Yocto rootfs Feb 25 18:26:01 kergoth: i think i still have a cleanup thing for that Feb 25 18:26:25 was leaving dhcp and some other cruft from hard power off Feb 25 18:26:31 rpi Feb 25 18:27:08 haven't played with any of my images lately though Feb 25 18:29:29 the kernel is reporting 5 uarts and a console on /dev/ttymxc0. Do I connect some kind of cable to my usb port to be able to use it? Feb 25 18:29:53 I don't see any other ports when I open the case Feb 25 18:29:58 looks like i added a check_network_cruft() to the networking script Feb 25 18:30:23 wandboard? Feb 25 18:30:38 advantech ubs-200 Feb 25 18:31:01 it reports itself as a Sabre-SD Feb 25 18:31:04 iMX6 quad? Feb 25 18:31:10 dual Feb 25 18:31:34 want to try mainline manual kernel build? Feb 25 18:32:02 * nerdboy does that for wandboard/udoo/beaglebone Feb 25 18:33:03 RCN wiki page for sabre-lite Feb 25 18:33:16 might need to tweak a bit Feb 25 18:33:17 https://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/i.MX6x+SABRE+Lite Feb 25 18:33:37 I would have to add support in arch/arm for it. The SDK has the files I need in mach-mx6 rather that mach-imx Feb 25 18:33:49 back to serial console, that would be board/vendor-specific Feb 25 18:34:37 the wy that they say to connect is thru telnet Feb 25 18:34:43 wandboard has DB-9 and udoo has microUSB Feb 25 18:34:57 i mean physically Feb 25 18:35:11 I understand Feb 25 18:35:33 * nerdboy 's fingers still waking up... Feb 25 18:35:59 brain comes along later, usually... Feb 25 18:36:11 * Crofton wonders if we could combine #yocto and #oe into one channel, since there is little difference in technical content and it is annoying remembering who is only in one versus the other Feb 25 18:36:32 what's #oe? Feb 25 18:36:57 Crofton: as opposed to herding cats back and forth? Feb 25 18:37:21 cyclist: openembedded Feb 25 18:37:38 ok Feb 25 18:38:35 Crofton: don't forget the mostly empty #poky Feb 25 18:38:36 * kergoth yawns Feb 25 18:39:21 the serial console should be one of those ttymxc{0,1,2} devices Feb 25 18:39:38 it says that it's using ttymxc0 Feb 25 18:39:42 * nerdboy forgot about #poky Feb 25 18:39:45 oops Feb 25 18:40:03 :) Feb 25 18:40:13 is it in your inittab? Feb 25 18:40:47 kergoth: are you dragging your ass to elc this year? Feb 25 18:40:49 no, it's near the top of the kernel messages Feb 25 18:40:53 in dmesg Feb 25 18:41:24 try adding this Feb 25 18:41:30 T1:23:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L ttymxc0 115200 vt102 Feb 25 18:41:42 correct getty name as needed Feb 25 18:41:57 and connect a cable where? Feb 25 18:42:22 microusb? ttl serial header? Feb 25 18:42:22 I'd like to, as I've only been once a few years ago, but not sure if I want to leave my wife to take care of our fussy 3 month old that only sleeps a few hours at a time just yet Feb 25 18:42:23 only thing I have us a usb a port Feb 25 18:42:24 will see Feb 25 18:43:30 * nerdboy went on a two-month field project on the north coast shortly after first baby came in grad school Feb 25 18:43:50 her dad came to stay with her... Feb 25 18:44:19 of course, i still get reminded that "you left me!" every now and then... Feb 25 18:45:40 * Crofton left his wife in Virginia to deal with the snow and is CA for two weeks ... Feb 25 18:45:45 * nerdboy considers any sort of advice risky business Feb 25 18:46:10 kergoth, we'd love to see you at OEDAM Feb 25 18:46:15 kergoth: i will hold a pint of old speckled hen for you Feb 25 18:46:45 cyclist: there has to be a serial header/port somewhere... Feb 25 18:47:21 at the moment, at somewhere between 3am and 5am the baby starts waking up trying and failing to poop, and continues this every 10-30 minutes from then until aruond 6:30am, periodically making himself cry, every night. i usually end up bringing him into the living room and staying there the rest of hte night so she can at least get some uninterrupted sleep.. Feb 25 18:47:22 no console interface would be a huge design fail Feb 25 18:47:23 fun fun Feb 25 18:47:29 there's a metal plat in the box covering most of the board. I'll try removing it Feb 25 18:47:41 er, plate Feb 25 18:48:19 my friend had like 5+ kids, we wondered why he spent so much time doing field work .... Feb 25 18:48:36 yikes Feb 25 18:48:45 kergoth: fisrt one had repeated ear infections for a while... plus nobody told us to stop (night)feeding at 6 mos or so... Feb 25 18:49:22 9 mos later we were seriously sleep-deprived... Feb 25 18:49:27 ouch Feb 25 18:49:50 we're dealing with some colic and reflux and general gassiness at the moment Feb 25 18:50:01 not too bad, though Feb 25 18:50:36 Crofton: field work is surprisingly relaxing and stress-relieving Feb 25 18:50:53 you are starting to see why... Feb 25 18:53:27 * nerdboy tries another test Feb 25 18:53:57 if it freezes up and i drop off, it was a fail... Feb 25 19:03:51 what the hell? openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org is an open list but openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org is subscribers only? Feb 25 19:04:49 * paulg shakes his head Feb 25 19:06:51 I found a connector. There are 2 boards in the system. a small main board, and a board with hdmi,ethernet and usb ports. The main board has a small white 4 pin connector. The model of the main board is rom-7420 Feb 25 19:11:26 I found the data sheet. There's a debug port cable available. Feb 25 19:15:33 is it different than a "normal" ttl cable? Feb 25 19:16:03 well, "normal" on open source hardware (rpi, bbb, etc) Feb 25 19:18:34 I can't find what the connector is for in the docuemntation. The cable is for a larger motherboard that the module connects to. Feb 25 19:18:48 the eval kit Feb 25 19:19:53 looks like it's a power cable Feb 25 19:20:07 it's for a power cable, that is Feb 25 19:21:15 there should be at least one of the following: 1) physical usb/serial port Feb 25 19:21:42 2) physical serial header (could be 4 or 5 pins) Feb 25 19:21:45 the 2 boards connect together using something similar to a pci or isa card in a pc Feb 25 19:21:58 3) physical gpio header with serial pins Feb 25 19:22:23 4 some other header with serial pins to make a damn serial port Feb 25 19:22:41 the processor board has gold fingers like a pci card in a pc Feb 25 19:22:59 all the inputs/outputs are on those connections Feb 25 19:23:18 apparently you don't get console without the rest of the eval kit Feb 25 19:23:35 so, the seiral port is there, but there is no easy way to connect to it Feb 25 19:23:50 that's wht I'm thinking Feb 25 19:24:50 Oh well, I have a console now thru ssh, now that I finally got the network up Feb 25 19:25:33 It's been a real PITA getting this up w/o it Feb 25 19:26:59 here's a link to the module: Feb 25 19:27:02 http://www.advantech.com/products/Computer-on-Module/ROM-7420/mod_a091469f-b4b1-4929-be51-a9237d5ba40a.aspx Feb 25 19:29:31 * nerdboy chugs along mostlky without serial console unless absolutely necessary Feb 25 19:29:58 beaglebone has useful blinky lights for boot/other status Feb 25 19:31:03 rpi too, though not quite as informative... Feb 25 19:31:03 this is the first one I've ever done, so I've been fliying blindly the whole time Feb 25 19:31:39 seems like you managed not to fly into any terrain Feb 25 19:31:51 any landing is a good landing... Feb 25 19:31:56 * kergoth notes that meta-intel/meta-minnow are still broken relative to current master due to the linux-yocto bumps / removals Feb 25 19:31:58 I've crashed into a few mountains, though Feb 25 19:32:27 you got an ssh login Feb 25 19:32:47 good enough landing at this point... Feb 25 19:33:14 that's what I'm thinking Feb 25 19:33:58 so maybe you brushed a few trees and peed your pants a little Feb 25 19:34:04 it's all good Feb 25 19:34:21 I've learned alot along the way Feb 25 19:34:58 * nerdboy full of "colorful metaphaors"... Feb 25 19:58:45 kergoth: meta-minnow won't be fixed, for meta-intel there's a master-next branch you want. we're having a slight issue of manpower on meta-intel right now, darren is overcommitted about 300% :/ Feb 25 19:58:56 ah Feb 25 19:59:04 is minnow in an unsupported state? Feb 25 19:59:40 * paulg noted that the meta-intel bbappends for the kernel need updating/renaming.... Feb 25 20:00:19 some of the kernels referenced in there have been pushed off a cliff by zeddii recently. Feb 25 20:00:33 kergoth: to make it build against master i guess all it needs is the 3.10 kernel added there, but i don't know if anyone is planning on updating it to the newer kernels Feb 25 20:00:39 paulg: see my reply to kergoth Feb 25 20:01:29 it'd be nice for at least the main yocto bsps to synchronize such removals with core rather than falling behind like all the third party layers :) Feb 25 20:02:12 kergoth: it would, yes Feb 25 20:02:39 did anyone mention that we're hiring x86 BSP engineers? :) Feb 25 20:02:43 hah :) Feb 25 20:02:46 fair enough Feb 25 20:03:09 darren is doing too many jobs at once, he fixed the kernels and pushed to master-next for testing. they work, so just need to find a timeslice so he can merge to master. Feb 25 20:38:36 rburton: maybe we could fix the overcommitted part with conrtact support? Feb 25 20:38:59 "we" meaning VCT... Feb 25 21:51:42 * nerdboy was extremely overcommited for about 2 yrs Feb 25 21:51:47 sucks Feb 25 21:52:26 the "agile my ass..." project Feb 25 22:09:37 i think an agile ass is something else entirely Feb 25 22:09:39 * kergoth yawns Feb 25 22:19:07 I'm only getting /run/utmp written when I use the lsb rootfs Feb 25 22:41:05 do you still need ro-rootfs enabled to get all the volatile stuff? Feb 25 22:41:20 * nerdboy hasn't looked at that recently **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 26 02:59:59 2015