**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 11 03:00:00 2018 Feb 11 16:03:29 What is the right way to populate resolv.conf with 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 Feb 11 20:48:39 <|Sno|> moto-timo: One thing I never realized was, that my bblayers.conf contains the layers as ${BSPDIR}/sources/meta-cpan Feb 11 20:49:02 <|Sno|> moto-timo: I fully rely on that pattern in Packager::Utils :D Feb 11 20:50:32 <|Sno|> since I setup poky for GPW-2018 fresh out of the box (to see whether my perlbrew-feel-alike poky/scripts/oe-init-bashrc hook still works - which it does), I know that was batshit insane Feb 11 20:51:52 <|Sno|> moto-timo: and switching from utterly broken URI::Split to URI::Simple helped a lot to handle most of the other quirks I never realized before Feb 11 21:02:47 |Sno|: I get no output from 'pkg_util check up2date -o log --packages_pattern "*-perl_*.bb" --packages_pattern "perl*.bb"' although it does create packages.db Feb 11 21:03:29 |Sno Feb 11 21:03:31 meh Feb 11 21:03:37 <|Sno|> search for ~/bitbake-up2date* :) Feb 11 21:04:52 |Sno|: I get successful packages.db from 'pkg_util create package --packages_pattern "*-perl.bb" --packages_pattern "perl*.bb" --categories recipes-devel --modules Class::Singleton' but no bb recipe created or I don't know where Feb 11 21:05:26 <|Sno|> moto-timo: hmm .. that's weird Feb 11 21:05:48 <|Sno|> meta-cpan$ git status | wc -l Feb 11 21:05:48 <|Sno|> 198 Feb 11 21:05:48 |Sno Feb 11 21:05:56 <|Sno|> The result from this weekend Feb 11 21:06:33 |Sno|: I can't type :/ . I installed pkg_util to /usr/bin and changed the shebang to #!/usr/bin/perl Feb 11 21:06:59 |Sno|: and all the CPAN packages are properly packaged and installed in vendor_perl Feb 11 21:07:24 |Sno|: all the tests for the CPAN requirements pass, so I have fairly high confidence that is ok Feb 11 21:07:45 <|Sno|> missing etc/pkg_util.json? I don't expect - but ... Feb 11 21:07:54 |Sno|: the xt tests in Packager::Utils aren't all working for me, so I disabled them Feb 11 21:08:04 <|Sno|> that are author tests only Feb 11 21:08:08 |Sno|: I installed that in /etc/pkg_util.json Feb 11 21:08:27 yes, that's why I don't worry about them much Feb 11 21:09:30 <|Sno|> moto-timo: I talk to Liz next Thursday and then I know which direction it takes Feb 11 21:09:35 I have a growing list of new dists to add to meta-cpan or somewhere Feb 11 21:09:58 |Sno|: great. I am happy to do the work from the OE/YP side as much as I can Feb 11 21:10:07 I am after all the maintainer of meta-perl Feb 11 21:10:14 <|Sno|> moto-timo: In doubt I can generate you the bulk stuff, put it on a ftp and you polish it Feb 11 21:10:28 and one of the few people in YP/OE core that has significant perl background Feb 11 21:11:08 well, if I can get Packager::Utils working locally I can solve my own problems :) Feb 11 21:11:37 <|Sno|> But I have no idea what I can ask you to figure out whats wrong Feb 11 21:12:09 |Sno|: I would also like to keep meta-cpan up to date. If I get the tooling working, I do not need you to do that. But let us see what Liz says. Feb 11 21:13:22 <|Sno|> moto-timo: I'm on upating meta-cpan this week Feb 11 21:13:42 |Sno|: great Feb 11 21:14:15 |Sno|: I'll send you a wish list and you can do with it what you will. Not asking you to do the work, but until I figure it out I have no choice Feb 11 21:15:01 <|Sno|> moto-timo: once I have the basement for my GPW2018 side-track I have time to help you digging Feb 11 21:24:04 <|Sno|> moto-timo: as said: I have 198 files changes in my current meta-cpan status :) Feb 11 21:25:25 <|Sno|> moto-timo: have a look at the patch for poky/classes/cpan* I sent you - my recent update of meta-cpan base on that thing Feb 11 21:26:46 <|Sno|> beside the https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-12814 desaster which causes me wanting to update perl5 to 5.26.1 before doing anything else Feb 11 21:27:26 yeah. Unfortunately the effort to upgrade the perl packaging in oe-core is non-trivial Feb 11 21:27:57 but I believe the wind river team is freeing up from other more pressing work and will hopefully be able to address the 5.26 upgrade soon Feb 11 21:29:10 <|Sno|> maybe it is time to re-think the politics behind the module-split Feb 11 21:30:07 |Sno|: or do it with automation like the new changes in python manifest Feb 11 21:30:30 <|Sno|> it's a nightmare, doesn't fulfill any reasonable job (splliting into core-runtime and core-build-tools would be sane, but distributing perl without strict, warnings, Config or Config_heavy etc. is insane) Feb 11 21:30:40 |Sno|: it isn't really politics so much as the needs of limited resource embedded devices (and backwards compatibility) Feb 11 21:31:15 <|Sno|> when you install a perl interpreter, you need some core modules to get it work in sane way Feb 11 21:31:18 |Sno|: well, I can make changes to core for that type of stuff if you give me guidance Feb 11 21:32:02 I would be happy to do so Feb 11 21:32:13 <|Sno|> moto-timo: I will talk with some of the core hackers to get a reasonable advice and having that advices bundled with perl and maintained on updates :) Feb 11 21:33:01 |Sno|: great. I watch #toolchain and #metacpan so if there are any other perl IRC channels I should be watching let me know Feb 11 21:33:57 <|Sno|> #toolchain is the channel of The-Perl-Toolchain-Gang (PTG), and #metacpan is the channel for the metacpan infrastructure (client/server) Feb 11 21:34:26 <|Sno|> I doubt that good stuff comes from PTG, but #metacpan are cool but way to less people ;) Feb 11 21:34:31 |Sno|: any chance to revisit the File::Find::Rule::Age tests? I should I just disable the ones that randomly fail on Fedora infrastructure? Feb 11 21:34:55 <|Sno|> moto-timo: after German Perl Workshop, but it's on hotlist :) Feb 11 21:35:00 ok Feb 11 21:35:34 |Sno|: #toolchain is where some key people are however, so it does have its good times Feb 11 21:36:25 <|Sno|> I left irc.perl.org completely since they started flamewars and don't ruled against Feb 11 21:36:46 <|Sno|> #p5p is the channel you're looking for Feb 11 21:42:34 |Sno|: joined :) Feb 11 21:42:51 <|Sno|> good luck Feb 11 21:42:58 I stay out of flamewars Feb 11 21:43:02 just a bunch of noise Feb 11 21:43:39 I can always email haarg and bongos and so on directly, I am not completely off their radars Feb 11 21:43:57 but public discussion is my preferred vehicle Feb 11 21:45:20 <|Sno|> It's difficult to stay out when you're the target ;) Feb 11 21:46:09 <|Sno|> and the politic to stay out and don't care by most people lead me to leave Feb 11 21:46:34 lol Feb 11 21:46:53 |Sno|: better for your health, to be sure Feb 11 21:47:08 <|Sno|> As Wendy van Dijk states in always every Perl Congress nowadays - the darkest times where the years after the hype where the flamewars against everything and anybody Feb 11 21:47:26 <|Sno|> but the motto of perl was and is: There is more than one way to do it Feb 11 21:47:49 <|Sno|> so I decided to leave until the motto comes back to irc.perl.org Feb 11 21:48:23 <|Sno|> and yeah, bingos and haarg are close, merijn and leont either Feb 11 22:00:06 not much interaction with merijn, but lots with leont **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 12 03:00:00 2018