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May 27 03:42:04 <armpit> IRC on YouTube?
May 27 05:13:53 <yates> JPEW: ok thanks
May 27 08:15:47 <mckoan> good morning
May 27 11:39:03 <Crofton|cloud> Yes #yocto is moving to irc.youtube.chat
May 27 11:39:10 <Crofton|cloud> ^^^^ Joke
May 27 11:39:48 <goliath> hmmm, an IRC to youtube comment bridge would be amazing
May 27 11:40:08 <Crofton|cloud> Yeah
May 27 11:40:50 <goliath> in seriousness, is there a consideration to move #yocto elsewhere?
May 27 11:41:41 <goliath> most Freenode channels I was on ran off to libera or OFTC
May 27 11:42:51 <RP> goliath: libera seems to be the plan
May 27 13:33:19 <zeddii> I'm surprised at the number of people asking about what server we will or won't be on.
May 27 13:33:29 <zeddii> I just connected to libera and checked, same with OFTC
May 27 13:33:35 <zeddii> :D
May 27 13:41:51 <Crofton|cloud> https://www.openembedded.org/wiki/IRC
May 27 13:42:24 <JPEW> Crofton|cloud: that's officially enough for me!
May 27 13:42:25 <Crofton|cloud> At some point I expect to be banned
May 27 13:43:55 <zeddii> I've mentioned it enough as well, they'll hunt me down.
May 27 13:45:44 <qschulz> zeddii: linux-sunxi has a channel on all three servers, and they now decided to go for oftc only. It's not always straightforward :)
May 27 13:48:36 <zeddii> I don't consider that non-straight forward either. I just checked them all and am on them all.
May 27 13:49:01 <zeddii> the ones no one uses, won't ever show traffic, and I'll remove them.
May 27 13:49:24 <qschulz> 👍
May 27 13:49:50 <zeddii> yesterday was about 70/30 split between two servers.
May 27 13:50:17 <zeddii> .. and slack of course, but I happily closed that browser tab :D
May 27 13:51:36 <manuel1985> Can't wait to see how the whole story will unfold.
May 27 13:51:56 <zeddii> +1 ... it's good viewing!
May 27 14:30:52 <mckoan> moving to irc.libera.chat is a headache
May 27 14:31:14 <mckoan> I need to rewrite all the irssi config
May 27 14:31:30 <mckoan> and surprise, surprise : #yocto Cannot join channel (+S) - SSL/TLS required
May 27 14:31:40 <mckoan> doh!
May 27 14:32:09 <mckoan> anyone can share any standard configuration for irssi ?
May 27 14:34:15 <zeddii> I stopped using irssi and use znc now, it luckily could do the ssl connect. hopefully someone has a config and will notice.
May 27 14:38:01 <mckoan> in the meantime I added instructions to Register your nickname on irc.libera.chat in the wiki
May 27 14:42:02 <zeddii> yah. even before I knew if it would catch on, I registered mine and my channels. no harm I figured if we didn't use it.
May 27 14:46:03 <qschulz> mckoan: https://paste.ack.tf/6ba770 that's what I used to have when I was on irssi a couple of years ago for freenode
May 27 14:48:06 <mckoan> qschulz: thanks
May 27 14:48:18 <mckoan> * see you there
May 27 14:49:56 <mckoan> I need to setup SSL handshake for irssi too :-(
May 27 15:02:10 * mckoan has no time to solve that now
May 27 15:03:46 <fullstop> "...so anon access via Kiki irc webclient needs some setup."  -- probably meant Kiwi, not Kiki.
May 27 15:30:31 <rburton> I can't remember who bought it up yesterday, but I just looked at what X11 bits end up in a core-image-full-cmdline. as expected its basically libx11 via dbus.
May 27 15:32:27 <tlwoerner> rburton: i did :-)
May 27 15:32:28 <tlwoerner> thanks
May 27 15:32:58 <rburton> dbus has auto-detection for the session bus if its inside an X session
May 27 16:01:34 <patrick_r> hello, am trying to build a bbappend whose purpose is to delete .desktop files in /usr/share/applications as the client does not want icons on the nmatchbox desktop
May 27 16:02:18 <patrick_r> any idea on how to build the do_install_append() function and most specifically where?
May 27 16:06:28 <rburton> patrick_r: do you want *any* desktop icons?
May 27 16:07:54 <patrick_r> rburton: yes just our application
May 27 16:09:03 <patrick_r> ideally I would like no desktop at all buf I stumbled upon a bug when not launching the matchbox-desktop, the keyboard icon on the panel is unresponsive at startup for about a minute
May 27 16:09:19 <rburton> thats most likely because its waiting for the desktop to start
May 27 16:09:30 <rburton> so figure out where that wait is coming from and you can have no desktop
May 27 16:10:13 <patrick_r> been in the source code of keyboard  and havent seen a wait, is that the right place to look?
May 27 16:10:18 <rburton> if [ "$CMD" ]; then
May 27 16:10:18 <rburton>     # Delay to make sure the window manager is active
May 27 16:10:18 <rburton>     # by waiting for the desktop to say its finished loading
May 27 16:10:18 <rburton>     dbus-wait org.matchbox_project.desktop Loaded && $CMD &
May 27 16:10:18 <rburton> fi
May 27 16:10:28 <rburton> in poky
May 27 16:10:37 <patrick_r> in poky of all places
May 27 16:10:51 <patrick_r> thanks will have a thorough look at that
May 27 16:11:17 <patrick_r> sort of figured out it was dbus related
May 27 16:13:25 <patrick_r> coauld you tell me where iin poky as I cannt find that particular segment of code
May 27 16:14:53 <patrick_r> found it
May 27 16:16:44 <patrick_r> @rburton: this line is commented out in xserver-nodm : # dbus-wait org.matchbox_project.desktop Loaded
May 27 16:22:18 <rburton> yes
May 27 16:22:25 <rburton> that didn't work too well
May 27 16:22:32 <rburton> you're looking for the one in matchbox-keyboard
May 27 16:23:56 <patrick_r> @rburton: found in the device
May 27 16:24:27 <rburton> $ git grep org.matchbox_project.desktop
May 27 16:24:27 <rburton> meta/recipes-graphics/x11-common/xserver-nodm-init/xserver-nodm:       # dbus-wait org.matchbox_project.desktop Loaded
May 27 16:24:27 <rburton> meta/recipes-sato/matchbox-keyboard/files/80matchboxkeyboard.sh:    dbus-wait org.matchbox_project.desktop Loaded && $CMD &
May 27 16:33:42 <patrick_r> @rburton: no joy, commengtingf out the dbus-wait line results in keyboard icon no starting the keyboard at all
May 27 16:34:23 <rburton> read the line you just commented out
May 27 16:35:43 <patrick_r> oh God am so sorry ;-(
May 27 16:35:47 <rburton> :)
May 27 16:37:28 <patrick_r> @rburton:  like a charm thank you so so so much
May 27 16:39:51 <rburton> np
May 27 20:27:23 <v2d> hi all -- so basically, with SSTATE_MIRRORS using the yoctoproject sstates, there's no real need to use a custom SSTATE_DIR, right?
May 27 20:28:27 <JaMa> you always need local SSTATE_DIR to write your own sstate into (and fetch the sstate from SSTATE_MIRROR)
May 27 20:28:36 <JaMa> not sure what you mean by "custom" here
May 27 20:30:25 <v2d> JaMa: I mean defining an SSTATE_DIR in your local.conf outside of TOPDIR in order to wipe the build directory without loosing the built artifacts
May 27 20:31:32 <JaMa> you should wipe just TMPDIR, not TOPDIR as DL_DIR is also useful to keep
May 27 20:32:40 <v2d> JaMa: yep, in my current setup I had SSTATE_DIR = "${TOPDIR}/../sstate-cache" and DL_DIR = "${TOPDIR}/../downloads"
May 27 20:33:18 <v2d> JaMa: and I realize that setting SSTATE_DIR like this isn't necessary anymore if you're using SSTATE_MIRRORS, am I correct?
May 27 20:36:01 <v2d> Or maybe I do still need to set SSTATE_DIR like this in order not to download the sstate mirrors again
May 27 20:36:12 <JaMa> no, local SSTATE_DIR is still important, you will reuse very little if anything at all from yoctoproject sstate mirror
May 27 20:36:36 <JaMa> right
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